The face of the new Libya [Reader Post]

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This sort of thing really warms the heart:

Muammar Gaddafi’s ‘trophy’ body on show in Misrata meat store

Gaddafi’s body is now a Libya tourist attraction:

Bloodied, wearing just a pair of khaki trousers, and dumped on a cheap mattress, Muammar Gaddafi’s body has become a gruesome tourist attraction and a macabre symbol of the new Libya’s problems.

Hundreds of ordinary Libyans queued up outside a refrigerated meat store in Misrata, where the dead dictator was being stored as a trophy. A guard allowed small groups into the room to celebrate next to Gaddafi’s body. They posed for photos, flashing victory signs, and burst into jubilant cries of “God is great.”

Gadaffi was most definitely murdered while in custody.

Wounds on Gaddafi’s body appeared to confirm that he was indeed killed in cold blood in the chaotic minutes following his capture on Thursday. He was found in the town of Sirte, hiding in a drainage pipe. There was a close-range bullet wound on the left side of his head. Blood stains showed another bullet wound to his thorax.

They made a hood ornament of Gadaffi’s body and drove it around town:

His body, subsequently driven to Misrata and publicly paraded, was barefoot and stripped to the waist.

The leader of the National Transitional Council is already proving to be a phony.

The NTC faces questions from international rights organisations. On Thursday, Jibril claimed that Gaddafi had been killed from a bullet to the head received in crossfire between rebel fighters and his supporters. He was dragged alive on to a truck, but died “when the car was moving”, Jibril said, citing forensic reports.

Gruesome mobile phone footage obtained by the Global Post undermines this account. It records the minutes after Gaddafi’s capture, when his convoy came under Nato and rebel attack. He is dragged out of a tunnel where he had been hiding. Blood is already pouring out of a wound on the left side of his head.

A group of fighters then frogmarch him towards a pick-up truck. There are shouts of “God is great” and the rattle of gunfire. At one point Gaddafi keels over; a fighter kicks him and scuffs dirt over his bloodstained clothing. The rebels prop Gaddafi back on his feet and propel him onwards.

Gaddafi is clearly dazed and wounded – but is alive, conscious, and pleading feebly with his captors. Fighters at the scene said that he was injured in the shoulder and leg when he was found. Fresh blood is also flowing from a head injury.

Obama made the argument that Gaddafi was removed because he did not respect basic human rights. This is obviously much better.

Murder, street justice, desecration of remains. The face of the new and improved Libya.

DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education. DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed. Except for liberals being foolish.

57 Responses to “The face of the new Libya [Reader Post]”

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    Rich Wheeler

    Mata #37 Well researched as always. Pls re-read N.D. 13 and his debunked #’s. He neglected to cite the fact Reagan and W #’s were as high or higher than Clinton and Carter. That was my singular point.

    Re the economic recovery.Complete agreement R.E. in the tank with many years and pain before return to 07 highs.Repubs and Dems, lenders and borrowers share blame for this debacle. Agree unemployment rate will show little movement over next 2 years.

    On the other hand corporate profits up,and the large majority of our citizenry living well.I believe the excessess of 90’s-2007 will lead to a leaner YET STRONGER America by decade’s end whether govt.led by Repubs Dems or 3rd Party.

    As stated, my concern has always been to not lose our hard earned gains re social and environmental issues

    Aye Catch up on what comments?.

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    @Aye quotes cyber conversation:

    rich: Aye #46 What a stupid comment. She’s 5’4 120 and HOT.

    That was a joke between Mata and I and was in no way intended to disparage your 5’4″, 120lb “HOT” wife.

    OMG! I guess I gave rich undue credit, eh, Aye? LOL Is there anyone else here that doesn’t know the meaning of the phrase “it ain’t over until the fat lady sings!”?? Or must we spell it out for those that, somehow assume this is a personal affront to some female they know?


    @Rich Wheeler: Pls re-read N.D. 13 and his debunked #’s. He neglected to cite the fact Reagan and W #’s were as high or higher than Clinton and Carter. That was my singular point.

    I understand your “singular point”, rich. However that wasn’t really your singular point, as you decided to get huffy and called it “politicizing” soldiers death. Kinda silly when you think of it. After all, CRS did an entire study of it, and those figures do relate to not only who was CiC at the time, but the wartime events. So if you think ND was “politicizing it”, then so was the CRS.

    As far as his conclusions… well, it’s really not unexpected. Unless you pull up the original CRS document, and one assumes that the figures quoted reflect what is there, then his surprise at the numbers was justified. But it’s not politicizing. Were those numbers accurate, it would be yet another reason supporting my observation that, as we advance into modern warfare, our casualties go down. The joy of video game bombing from the air, and unmanned drones, I guess.

    Even at that, you asked “do the stats quoted by ND mean anything to you”. And as I said, why yes.. they do. We sure have a high rate of casualties for our warriors whether it’s peace time, or during war. And if you stop and think of it, we’ve only lost 1/3rd to hostile action during Iraq/Afghanistan than we did to “accidents” during the Reagan years. Actually kind of surprising. And I’m not aware of any road/vehicle statistics that would support such a huge drop in accidents since that time. Just mind boggling.

    As to the economy. My argument with your rosy view of the economy is that, while the stock market wigs out like a bobble head doll daily/weekly (it’s down another almost 300 today due to the failure of the hoped for government bail out of Greece…), there is no economic recovery without employment improving, and the housing market recovering. This economy doesn’t live by the market alone.

    You thought that the indicator was good because of consumer spending Q3. I not only reminded you that, just prior to the 2008 crash and according to those indicators, consumer spending was also good enough to fool the market.

    But what was Q3 spending? Driven first, and mostly, by car sales. Also inventory was being replaced. Add that it’s the summer season… can you say family vacations?… followed by back to school shopping? Likely the highest shopping/spending of the year, other than Christmas. Even at that, a 2.5% isn’t much to crow about, and annual forecasts for 2011 are still expected to be under 2%. That’s a far cry short of what it will take to actually recover. What you might say is that the double dip… or new recession… isn’t happening today. That’s good, but you won’t find me breathing any sighs of relief for what is still coming down the road.

    Now… about that “inventory” being beefed up. Evidently that happened at the first part of Q3, since manufacturing again started slacking off in October.

    It seems that what we have going are businesses that stock up… wait until it sells before they order more. It’s not a steady order anymore, because few share your confidence that the economy can recover with the easily predictable future of housing and unemployment.

    So like everything financial these days, there will be good days and months, and bad. Watching the market can give one motion sickness, fer heavens sake… But there isn’t a single indicator that gives one hope for a move to a sustainable recovery. Instead, with one of the big investment brokers going down (MF Global), Europe in the tank with Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Ireland (at the least)… not to mention the amount of toxic real estate assets still in the global system… we’ve got major ugliness on the horizon.

    Sorry… don’t buy into the “it’s getting better” line.

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    @Rich Wheeler:

    Consumer spending up in 3rd quarter.

    Yep, consumer prices are up too. September means back to school sales so, yeah, there’s going to be some shopping going on. The alarming thing is that incomes have not changed more than .1% in either direction over the last several months.

    Stock market up this year and dramatically so in last 30 days

    How about that stellar stock market performance from today, eh? It was down what… 297?

    Very few now believe a “double dip” will occur.

    As Mata says, there are many great economic minds who are still warning of this risk. And, of course, Mata’s link to the “housing triple dip” isn’t good news for your prognostication either.

    Good news stats show “rich are getting richer”—and the poor?

    Actually, the statistics show that the gap between rich and poor has been flat since 1994.

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    rich wheeler

    Mata It’s clear in #48 I understand “fat lady sings” I’m thinking in #46 Aye was confusing me with someone else. Otherwise comment was just stupid.

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    rich, like Aye said…. his comment was a joke between he and I, since Tom… dodo that he was… took personal offense when Aye used a comment “I hear a fat lady singing” as to Wordsmith’s document proving Tom’s position incorrect. So he was jokingly pointing out to me that using such a phrase could be construed as unPC. Of course, you didn’t help when you decided to come back and mention your wife’s framing… which set us off again.

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