Herman Cain Leading in New Polls but Still Plenty of Bad News to be Had.

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Herman Cain is the frontrunner now and I’m hoping that he is prepared for the onslaught that will surely come.

From the PPP poll:

Strong Tea Party support has Cain in the driver’s seat nationally, just as he has been on our last four individual state polls. With non-Tea Party Republicans Romney actually leads Cain 29-27. But with the Tea Party crowd Cain is getting 39% with Gingrich at 16%, Perry at 14%, and Romney in 4th place at 13%. Romney doesn’t need to win the Tea Partiers to be the Republican nominee. But he does need to finish better than 4th with them.


In the previous survey, conducted in late August, Perry led the field at 38 percent, Romney stood at 23 percent, while Cain was at only 5 percent.

Cain’s numbers are sky-high among Republican primary voters. Fifty-two percent view him favorably, versus just 6 percent who see him unfavorably. Among Tea Party supporters, his favorable/unfavorable score is 69 percent to 5 percent. And among Republicans who identify themselves as “very conservative,” it’s 72 percent to 2 percent.

In follow-up interviews with respondents supporting Cain, they argue that he’s not a politician, and that he seems real. “He has common-sense answers and is in touch with the heartbeat of America,” said one respondent, a 46-year-old male from Florida…

Despite Cain’s rise and Perry’s fall over the past month and a half, Romney’s standing in the Republican horse race hasn’t changed—it was 23 percent in August, and it’s unchanged at 23 percent now.

The man is anything BUT unprepared, in anything he has done in life so I am certain he is ready for the onslaught. The attacks on his 9-9-9 plan are just starting but even he has said that the plan is just the beginning, to “unite the ‘Flat Taxers’ with the ‘Fair Taxers.’” It’s not perfect but a good starting point for a discussion.

Meanwhile, in the latest MSNBC poll you see that Romney’s numbers haven’t changed a bit. Anyone who is for Cain was NOT for Romney before so that isn’t surprising….but the MSM is all but crowning Romney anyway:

“He’s viewed as an almost inevitable candidate,” said longtime strategist Ed Rollins, who until last month managed the campaign of Rep. Michele Bachmann (Minn.), one of Romney’s opponents. “He’s the heavy favorite.”

The party establishment seems to be moving Romney’s way, even as a new national poll highlighted the volatility of the race. A Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll showed the surging businessman Herman Cain numerically ahead of Romney for the first time, 27 percent to 23 percent, with Texas Gov. Rick Perry third, at 16 percent.

On Wednesday, Sen. Thad Cochran (R-Miss.) and former House speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) became the latest in a string of current and former elected officials who have announced their support for Romney over the past week. Former Republican National Committee chairman Jim Nicholson, hedge fund manager Paul Singer and Home Depot co-founder Ken Langone are among the major Republican fundraisers supporting the candidate.

“It’s all coming together for him,” said Cochran, who formally endorsed Romney on Wednesday. “People are beginning to be impressed with him and his thoughtful comments about the issues.”

It’s tough to disagree with the Post. It does appear that the establishment is all but conceding Romney is the guy…and that is not a good thing. Every day we are reminded how Romney is just ObamaLite.

Exit quote:

…which means they [Cain and Perry] (and, to a lesser extent, Bachmann) are destined to split the conservative vote in the caucuses while Romney cleans up among centrists. If most Iowa conservatives break for Cain and he either wins outright or finishes a strong second to Romney, Perry will be finished and then you’ll have a two-man race in time for South Carolina. But by that point, Romney will almost certainly have won New Hampshire and Nevada and will be raking in mountains of establishment money to ensure that the most electable option in the field is well armed for the rest of the primaries.

Even worse, I don’t disagree with Allah’s take on the race. We may in fact be doomed to a race between Obama and ObamaLite.

Curt served in the Marine Corps for four years and has been a law enforcement officer in Los Angeles for the last 24 years.

51 Responses to “Herman Cain Leading in New Polls but Still Plenty of Bad News to be Had.”

  1. 1


    Some questions to ask about Cain’s candidacy:

    1. Will his lack of previous experience in high government office be a help or a problem in the general election? When was the last time someone other than a high-ranking general won the presidency as his first elected office? Is Cain the GOP candidate that has the best chance to beat Obama in 2012?

    2. Does his 9-9-9 plan have any chance of becoming law? If not, then what’s plan B? The status quo is to sail off a taxation cliff in 2013. If 9-9-9 plan is DOA due to the certainty of opposition by Democrats, won’t this open Cain up to the same criticism that’s been levelled at the current administration’s jobs tax plan?

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    Only one who has money and organization that can beat Romney is Rick Perry. The President is not an entry level position. A neophyte as Cain is can not and will not beat Romney. He has no money or organization. People supporting the neophyte will put Romney in as the nominee and Obama will slice and dice Romney with his liberal record. Perry has a record to stand on Cain has no record to stand on just rhetoric and proposals. His proposal have never been tested or proven. What has happened to the right, have they gone insane?

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    It’s all well and good to tout the business experience of Cain, but the sad fact is that the president must know how congress works (or not). This is not a business where you can fire someone if they don’t do as you tell them to. All the great plans on the planet aren’t any good if they can’t get past congress. Additionally, he’s very light on foreign policy.

    It’s a long time until the election folks… keep your eye on what the candidates do – not just what they say.

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    If Cain can get the nomination he will win, for the simple reason he will also pick up most of the Independent votes in the general election. In fact, I would predict that if he runs, he will win in a landslide.

    There is no way the media or the good old boys are going to tell mainstream America how to vote. We have just about been choked to death on political correctectness, consequently, an America we can hardly recognize, getting worse by the day. Until now, no one has had the cuts to just be a straight talker, something of which the majority of Americans are starved to hear from a trust worthy candidate. Who else has ever told America that we are in a moral crisis?

    Like or not, that’s the crux of our problems, a government so corrupted and infeseted with behind the scenes dirty dealing that if we did know the details, we would all be taking to the streets.

    If Romney get’s it, we will most likey lose. Mark Levin made a great point that Romney is so “Obama-lite”, especially on Obamacare, that there won’t be much of a fight on the issues, unlike the differnece between Romeny and a true conservative.

    I’ve written many times that the Republicans loathe the social conservatives, only keep us cause they can’t win without us. It’s really showing now, as Cain is a true conservative from the bottom up. His speech at the valuesvote was awesome, leaving no guessing necessary on where he stands on issues.

    Cain could be an American game changer, for a plethora of reasons, all good!

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    A candidate can be an excellent politician and have zero to offer for original ideas and problem solving ability. No one would argue that Biden isn’t an experienced politician, but would any of you hire him for a position with responsibilities within your own company? I doubt that anyone here is really that stupid; yet, everyone will agree, he knows the political back doors of Washington and he is a survivor despite having limited intellect and no apparent abilities. A fine example of the caliber of a Washington politician, that’s for sure, there are hundreds of them hanging out in Washing ton looking for another way to feed as a parasite off the taxpayer. That is the measure of a friggin politician.

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    Herman Cain is not black.
    I can prove this assertion. Black is defined by Sharpton, Jackson, Smiley, Jackson Lee, Belafonte, and all the other Black leaders, Cain fails on all counts in his Blackness.
    He is not now, and never has been, dependent on Government.
    He is not now, and never has been, a beneficiary of Affirmative Action.
    He is not now, and never has been, dependent on the color of his skin.
    That is what frightens the RINOs. Cain is off the plantation. Way off. He doesn’t buy into any of that “we are all unequal” c***. He seems to think that America is the land of opportunity, where you invent yourself.
    Cain is not controllable.
    This frightens all believing liberals. They have no idea what he would do.
    How perfect. The living embodiment of the “dream” of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. And he will be REJECTED by those who claim to honor King.
    As an old poet said: “the words of the dead are modified in the guts of the living.”

  7. 10


    It sounds like having to choose between Obama or Romney would be having to choose between higher taxes and more government control or higher taxes and more government control.

  8. 11

    Gary G. Swenchonis

    Even most of the talking heads want a GOP man. But if Cain, a big but too can keep his surge going and get an effective grass-roots donation in play, he may start to get money from the big players. There is still a chance that we may actually have a non-professional politician for president. Can he do any worse than all the previous professional politicians? Maybe, but then maybe he might just be what Washington and the country needs. And yes Rommey is considered the one now, some just feel its time to give him the mercy vote, like McCain. Its my hope that Cain can stir up the kinda passion that Ronnie did back in 1980 from all conservatives as time goes on. He is his biggest enemy right now.

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    Mathman, I have never considered the facts concerning his Blackness; that’s what I get for going by appearances and first impressions. Now that I did deeper like you, I realize Cain might be a friggin albino in blackface. As Conservatives it is important to keep in mind how important color is to Liberal bigots. If we run a fake Black man, it could be thrown in our face later on. To be honest, up to now, i had never even considered the possibility or the implications.

    We better ask Cain to explain his Blackness, before this goes any further.

    After all, this makes as much sense as worrying over the color of Cain’s hide rather than his ideas and philosophy.

  10. 13


    @ella: “BOLDERDASH”
    Cain could care less about any labels you want to hang on him. So stop complaining that he does “not have the money” and crack open your tight-fisted pocketbook and donate to him. Whether the media, or you for that matter, fabricate fault with Cain get used to it; He is going to first kick the Republican ticket representatives butts, then he will go on to tear the oval office from Obama’s clutching fingers. (Piece of cake!)
    Get used to saying, “President Herman Cain”!

  11. 14


    For those of you who like Country Music and for those that don’t; Hank Williams Jr is downloading this song for free “Keep The Change”. I think you might enjoy the song and the story; well, the Liberals might not enjoy it. Tell them Skook from flopping aces sent you before you leave. It’s a kick.

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    James Raider

    “Show respect to all people and grovel to none.
    When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living.
    If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself.
    Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision.”

    Listening to Herman Cain, I have a feeling he has lived these words that came from the wise and brilliant Shawnee Native Chief Tecumseh two centuries years ago.

    I note this quote because it is rather diametrically opposed to the mindset exemplified by the current resident of the White House, yet seems to be consistent with this self-made candidate who so many are justifiably warming up to.

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    This is make or break it for conservatism. I suspect Palin will endorse Cain, consequently, this will be not only a Cain victory, but a “We the people victory.” We simply don’t have any more time for the RINO’s.

    The Main Street Establishement, from the MSM, to the good old (we really hate social Repbulicans, and WE will tell you who to vote for GOP), have once again totally underestimated the real America. If they think we cleaned their clocks in the last election, they haven’t seen anything like they are going to see when we elect a common sense, outside the beltway, no BS/no political correctness social and fiscal conservative to the white house. Oh, and by the way, he also happens to be a self-made, victimless, black man. More kudos to him for his savvy in understanding how he has what it takes to create the perfect storm.

    All we have to is get Cain to the nomination. It will be the biggest landslide and political upset in American History, a true “game changer” in America.

  14. 18


    WOW, I’m so impress with all of the passionate comments now,
    that I can’t wait for the escalation of the regained hope from AMERICANS
    which is building up like a good fire you start slowly and diligently moving the braises at the right place
    for a while until it can rise to a beautiful ensemble of flames of all colors lighting up the sky
    for all to capture the warmt and well being in the cold assembly of people still half asleep
    and rigid of movements,

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    gary kukis

    Herman Cain has been my favorite, early on; but I have been trying to be careful about this. I am pretty certain that, the feeling I have about him is quite similar to the feeling liberals had about Obama. He is just a very likeable, charismatic man.

    However, something has to be done out government spending and how our taxes are determined. Entitlements are out of control as well. We cannot continue allowing the government to spend billions on worthless projects, calling this spending investments, when often, they are simply political payoffs (the same for many breaks which are found in the tax code). We cannot continue to have 50% of the population pay no taxes; if that is the case, they have little reason to vote responsibly.

    And there is not enough money in the world to insure that everyone gets good medical care and that everyone has a guaranteed retirement for 10-30 years.

    I am not certain that I want someone who “knows how Washington works.” Maybe I would prefer someone who might do some of the things Obama promised, like greater transparency and a responsible approach to government budgeting.

    So far, of the candidates, Citizen Cain, who has had to oversee large budgets with many moving parts (including dealing with franchises) seems to be the best man for the job.

    I like Santorum and Bachmann, but do they really have executive experience? I like Romney’s experience, but does he have the same views that I have? I really have no idea with him. I think he would say or do anything to be president. I really like Gingrich and I would pay to seem him debate Obama, but, again, there is the executive experience problem.

    Finally, I am a citizen of the sovereign state of Texas, and Perry simply is not all that conservative. Our taxes are far too high here. The government is more heavy handed than I would like. During the time that Perry has been governor, there have been about a half dozen regulatory laws passed which affect me directly, and for the worse. So, even though I love his slogan, “I want to make Washington as inconsequential to your life as possible” I don’t believe him.

    Now, when it comes to his dealing with the border and immigrants, there is a reason why he is “soft” on immigration, and there is a reason why he cannot be honest about this. Texas is a big state with a lot of Hispanics. If a conservative does or says the wrong thing and pisses off the Hispanic population here, the landscape could suddenly turn blue, and we would be a reliably blue state, just like NY and CA. So, in this regard, Perry is just doing his best to navigate a difficult issue.

    Anyway, put me down, so far, for:

    Citizen Cain + Rubio or
    Citizen Cain + Gingrich (even though they are both from the same state).

  16. 20

    just me 95

    Someone needs to explain to me how a 9% consumption tax on top of state and local taxes is a good thing. There is no way I agree with introducing a new tax regardless of lowered personal and corporate taxes.

  17. 21

    gary kukis

    Here’s the Dream Team:

    President: Citizen Cain
    VP: Marco Rubio
    Secretary of Energy: Sarah Palin
    WH Press secretary: Newt Gingrich (brilliant choice, right?)
    IRS destruction Czar: Michele Bachmann

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    Well, the Lib finally managed to correct the syntax of his one sentence dissertation.

    Congratulations Lib, now if you provide documentation to support your premise, you will appear to be less of a pimple on the ass of ignorance.

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    @LiberalObject, you tried this bonehead talking point – or would that be an attempt at libel – on another thread.

    I also responded on another thread. If you make accusations, you might try backing up your words with some proof to the links. But I’m pretty darn sure that when one is taking advantage of affirmative action opportunities, they are more likely to dive at Ivy League schools… such as your lackluster POTUS, who is careful never to release his grades.

    Cain got his BA in mathematics at Morehead, and his Masters in computer science at Purdue. Neither are Ivy League schools. Additionally, Cain was working for the US Navy simultaneously.

    Perhaps, instead of bandying about insinuations that you choose not to prove with supporting data, you might want to concern yourself about who is the most likely affirmative action recipient… like that guy who is temporarily “occupying” the WH.

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    @just me 95, I am in agreement. Most especially a consumption tax that does not repeal the 16th Amendment and any income taxes.

    I suspect that many who find this an inviting alternative – not envisioning the precedent and ugly future it likely forebodes under future Congresses and POTUS – are unaware of the history of national sales tax attempts in US history. In fact, the battleground is littered with the bodies of politicos who have attempted such… and at least they were going to do away with income taxes in the process.

    I really like Cain, but history shows any attempts to stick with this as the third rail of 999 could be his Waterloo issue.

  21. 29

    Gary G. Swenchonis

    @Patricia: Right on and well said! Just saw Coulter on the tube puhing for the GOP boy Rommey. Thats all we need when the libdems are starting to pour out of their holes.

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    Yer kiddin’ me, Gary! Coulter? First it was RINO Christi, now Romney (no doubt because of Christi’s endorsement…)?

    Me thinks that even Coulter’s ability at snappy humour, if not shock jock’ess status, will be suffering for this one. And here she’s always been held up to the “real” conservative status by so many.

    @Skookum, so you noticed he managed to correct his two-letter word spelling error in this second spreading of “love the one you’re with” commentary? LOL

  23. 31

    Hard Right

    He’s nothing more than a troll. It recently tried to debate again…and was shredded. I would say embarrased, but have you ever seen a leftist understand what that word even means? After being trounced so badly even it can see that fact, it has defaulted back to it’s original behavior.

  24. 32

    Mr. Irons

    @Liberal1 (objectivity):

    Hey, thanks for showing a prime example of what real racism really looks like in the United States of America… Oh wait, Liberals aren’t supposed to be racist and instead are to be so tollerant of other people’s life choices…

    Guess you didn’t get that memo.

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    Not correct, @tibby. Cain’s plan leaves in place income tax and corporate taxes.. .just lowers them (at least while he and a friendly Congress is in office) to 9% each. It also has no effect on State taxes in place, but piles on. And, in fact, may even reduce a State’s revenue, depending upon the devil in the details. Federal tax policies do not have the right to strip away a State’s ability to tax.

    A perfect example of that is the only item in the nation that does have a national sales tax… gas. The states’ still add their own gas tax on top of that.

    The national sales tax is, indeed, a new additional tax that the US has fought down since it’s founding/inception. It is not a new idea. At least those who have dared to enter those turbulent waters in the past have done so with the stipulation that income and corporate taxes are eliminated. This too is a pipe dream because any policy eliminating them, returns at Congressional will…. unless that power is stripped by repealing the 16th Amendment.

    That won’t happen… no way that a Constitutional Convention could be convened in this times, and expect a conservative fiscal result.

    What the nation will end up with is corporate, income *and* a new and increase-able national sales tax. Congress will be armed with a new piggy bank.

  26. 34



    @Hard Right, how can it attempt to debate when it speaks in minimal sentences and tired talking points? Don’t think I’ve seen many posts more than a few sentences long, and usually political platitudes of the far left.

    One needs more upstairs than a cut/paste ability to carry on a discourse. I do believe you give it too much credit…. How very kind of you. LOL

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    Hard Right

    It did make an attempt at a few baby steps, but once those bronzed shoes got crammed where the sun doesn’t shine, it went turtle again.
    I didn’t respond to it’s last post because it was wanting to provoke a response and nothing else. It laughed to itself thinking it was making us dance to its tune. It assumed itself to be Pavlov while we were the dog.
    I am all for proving otherwise.

  28. 36


    @just me 95: #20
    The 9% income tax would REPLACE the existing income tax. The difference will be that EVERYONE will pay it. I am guessing that there will be a level that a person has to start paying, like we do now.

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    Nan G

    Obama’s targeting tax hikes of all who he despises has been a failure so far.
    I think Cain’s 9-9-9 tax would inprove consumer and business confidence in predicting future costs, upping hiring and improving the economy.
    Tonight I saw a report on how Obama’s tanning tax only led to falling sales in tanning so that less than 1/3rd of what Obama thought he would get from pale white folks actually got collected.

    The IRS initially projected the tax would be due quarterly from roughly 25,000 stand-alone tanning salons, plus spas, health clubs and beauty parlors.

    But the inspector general report found that actual tax returns filed for the first three quarters through March 31 averaged just above 10,300.

    Tanning tax receipts for that nine-month period totaled $54.4 million, the report found. That was below projections by the Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation, which had estimated the tax would raise $50 million in the last three months of fiscal year 2010 and $200 million for the full 2011 fiscal year.

    See, what Obama keeps forgetting is that people change their behavior based on pleasure/pain.
    A 10% price hike on tanning artificially can be saved by simply going outside….or by giving up the habit.
    Just as Obama keeps thinking there is only so big a wealth pie and we should redistribute what we have, he also believes taxpayers will blithely go on with their same actions even after he adds huge tax increases to them.
    Where was Obama when the yacht builders were being destroyed by that luxury tax?
    Dumb dummy!

    Herman Cain is on the right track even if it takes a while to get there.

  30. 38

    Gary G. Swenchonis

    @MataHarley: Her reasoning was the same old, same old “he has no political experience”. And because of that which I think, is actually a good thing. And right now many other americans feel the same way. Yet I and others have this distinct feeling that the powers to be are trying their best to push us all back in with the herd.

  31. 40

    just me 95


    The 9% income tax would REPLACE the existing income tax.

    If you re-read my 20 you’ll see I wrote CONSUMPTION tax. Cain wants to ADD a national sales tax onto our already high (in some states) state and local taxes.

    You’ve apparently read Mata’s 28 and 33, so what is your problem?

  32. 41


    I don’t read all of the comments, and I sometimes don’t read all of a comment.

    The Fair Tax gang estimates that we pay an average of 32% of our income to the Feds. 9+9+9=27. The 9% tax on corporations is less than the 35% (not sure of exact amount) they pay now. 35%-9%=24% less that businesses could charge and still make the same proffit. If business try to keep prices up, the small businesses will lower theirs to gain business and the big ones will have to follow.

    The 9% sales tax will be paid by all. This includes the rich, illegals, and foreign visitors. I ain’t a mathematician, so I like this simple approach. Each time you buy something the amount you pay to the Feds is printed on the ticket, so you can see how much you are paying. Everyone can do their own taxes. Multiply your income by 9% and there is the amount you owe the Feds. The same for businesses. No more having to hire all kinds of accountants to pay as few taxes as possible

    Cain also wants to switch to the Fair Tax eventually, and I am for that. One tax on everything you buy and that is it for Federal taxes.

  33. 42


    Smorgasbord, hi,
    you know it is quite low compare to CANADA tax on what you buy,
    in diferent part the tax here play around 16% down to 13% for poorer provinces which are
    like the STATES HERE
    so that look fair at 9 9 9 from MR CAIN,

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    John Cooper, hi,
    47% well no wander, that is about time for them to pay their share of the expanses specialy if they are help by those who have been paying all along.
    the FAIR TAX is fair for everyone ,otherwise it’s not a fair tax.

  35. 44

    Gary Kukis

    Citizen Cain’s 9-9-9 plan

    Any tax is subject to being raised; so one cannot argue 9-9-9 might become 30-30-30; of course that could happen–this can happen to any tax structure. However, because of its transparency and its wide-ranging affect, people would be a lot more concerned if politicians decided to raise their taxes (right now, 50% of taxpayers could care less if taxes go up). Any Congress and President which passed 30-30-30 would find themselves ALL voted out of office next time around.

    Secondly, there will be no change in the cost of this or that thing that you buy. Sure, there is a 9% charge added on top of the cost. However, corporations and businesses will see a much lower tax rate (from 35% to 9%), so they will be able (and willing) to keep their prices low.

    Can it be tinkered with and will it be tinkered with? Of course. I suspect, in the end, food will be exempt from the national sales tax.

    Finally, with the elimination of the capital gains tax, you are going to see all kinds of movement in the market of houses, stocks, gold etc. being bought and sold, because there is no longer this 15% capital gains tax. That is going to increase the velocity of money considerably, which will jump start our economy.

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    Gary KuKis,
    great argument, you just pin on it,
    I would say to keep the tax on food that come from abroad, from any other COUNTRIES,
    in cans or fresh grown abroad or packaged abroad, even if there is some element of AMERICAN BITS IN IT,
    that would favor the AMERICAN FOOD GROWN HERE, and canned and package and even if there is a element of some foreign COUNTRY in the recipe
    that should be for any foreign steel or any componant not made in AMERICA

  37. 49


    Gary G. Swenchonis
    hi, did you loose our address? you have been away too long,
    we need your point of view here,
    best to you.

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