Awesome….Trump Supports Taking Private Property Of Citizens

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Why oh why are Conservatives getting hoodwinked by this fraud?

CAVUTO: You know, the one thing that sticks in the craw of a lot of people with this court, Donald — and I don’t know where you come down on it, but this eminent domain issue that essentially allowed someone’s home to be bulldozed, as was the case in New London, Connecticut, if it gets in the way of developers. Now, you’re a pretty successful developer in your own right. What did you think of that decision? Was the court overdoing it with that decision?

TRUMP: Well, it’s sort of not a good one for me to say, because I noticed every article written about it said, “Will Donald Trump take over your home?” sort of using me as the example, Neil. And it’s sort of — it’s an interesting situation to be in. But I happen to agree with it 100 percent, not that I would want to use it. But the fact is, if you have a person living in an area that’s not even necessarily a good area, and government, whether it’s local or whatever, government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and make area that’s not good into a good area, and move the person that’s living there into a better place — now, I know it might not be their choice — but move the person to a better place and yet create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good. (Fox News, 7/19/05)

Check out the link above to read about the times he has actually tried to use eminent domain to evict people, for his business interests of course.

How does he answer this? Well, because it was a 10 years ago and back then all conservatives backed using eminent domain to seize private property, as well as socialized health care.

I s**t you not:

This man will doom the GOP in 2012 if he isn’t exposed for the fraud he is.

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It was April 7th I bucked a massive tide here to try to bring a bit of reality into any discussion about Trump.
Time has proven two things.
1. I was right.
2. The legacy media CAN vet a potential candidate IF they want to.
(I know, in this case, it is Fox News and not any traditional legacy media, but the dinomedia has been doing its job on Trump. Just wish they’d done 1/4 as much on Obama.)

Nan, I wasn’t one of the unfriendly waves. I am somewhat familiar with his past statements and knew what a poseur he is. It’s disturbing to see yet another liar gain so much support so quickly.

Trump is a petulant child, albeit with a boatload of credit and some cash, who will say or do anything for attention.

Sort of like, well…Obama.

@Nan. I gave you props, also, and I’m not even a real conservative. I just hate totally unqualified people with scads of money buying their way into political relevancy.

The problem with American governance is not the politicians. The problem is an uneducated, clueless electorate, who gives large majorities to the GOP in one election cycle and swings the other way in the next cycle and back again in the third cycle.

We no longer vote FOR anything! That’s a fact. All we do is vote AGAINST something else. When we are happy, we vote against the Party which wants to change the status quo. When we are unhappy, we vote against the Party which is in power at the time of our unhappiness.

I’m actually pretty impressed by the average professional politician. At least the ones who are interviewed on the news shows. I don’t agree politically with Paul Ryan or Eric Cantor, yet these men are brilliant, highly qualified people who do a wonderful job of representing their constituents. Our politicians do a very good job of doing what they think we elected them to do. The problem is that we really didn’t elect them to do anything; we elected them to stop doing what was being done at the time they were elected.

That’s why “CHANGE” is such a great campaign theme during bad times. We are too clueless to figure out what we want changed, all we know is that we want to stop doing what we are doing.

That’s why the Dems and Obama have bad poll numbers, but why the GOP and their candidates aren’t polling very well, either. The country only hears the GOP when it talks about how bad things are under the Dems. They don’t hear the GOP talk about what, specifically, they’d do differently. They don’t vote for the GOP; they vote against the Dems. They didn’t vote for Obama; they voted against Bush.

The last thing the country needs is to be ruled by billionaires who have run out of toys to buy and are bored by their day jobs, so that they want to take a fling at buying political power and the attention which that brings to themselves.

– Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA

If the pool of conservatives who are potentially running for Prez doesn’t improve I can see another presidential election where I end up writing in a candidate…But it’s early and I still have hope that somebody will throw his/her name in the ring that I can support…

Ya know, Trump may not be perfect and I probably won’t vote for him, but I PROMISE you this I will vote for ANYBODY BUT OBAMA. Trump has a LOT of problems, but the one he doesn’t have with me is that at least I KNOW who this guy is. I also know who Obama is a narcisstic, marxist, redistributionist, lying commie. Trump at least is a capitalist. Personally, I like Herman Cain. But I hear crickets as far as his campaign. I will vote for WHOEVER takes it to Zero.

So? Isn’t eminent domain constitional? I mean Bush’s signing statements weren’t constititional I’ve learned by reading FA, so what is the big deal?

This is a very, very weak attack on Trump, Curt. The question is, which Republican candidate told you to launch this smear campaign against Trump?

I don’t know why nobody will say why Trump is doing this.

He is the new H Ross Perot, only ‘The Donald’ can ensure a second term for ‘The 0

Given that none of the Republicans poll well against Obama, perhaps they should drop out and get behind a winner like Trump?

Ivan: Given that none of the Republicans poll well against Obama, perhaps they should drop out and get behind a winner like Trump?

The only ones who win with Trump’s third “trumped up” POTUS flirtations are Obama and the Dems. As for the rest of us? Fool us once… hey, it happens. But only the most blind and gullible, with deplorable memories… ahem again, Ivan… are content to be played the village idiots for the third time.

In the Short Attention Span Theater of American public life, people don’t seem to remember that he’s said it all before. It was just about a decade ago, in fact, that I interviewed Trump about his latest stated plan to “consider” running for president, and memorialized his malarkey in a cover story for John F. Kennedy Jr.’s magazine, George.

Readers of that article will learn that Trump has been playacting as a presidential contender for roughly the last 25 years, and behind each faux candidacy has been his desire to promote a specific moneymaking opportunity for himself.

In 1987 Trump published a self-celebration entitled “Trump, The Art Of The Deal,” and when he hired Republican dirty trickster Roger Stone Jr. to begin floating his name as a possible 1988 presidential contender, the book surged instantly to the top of the best-seller lists.

Thirteen years later, he spotted an opportunity for himself to claim to be interested in running for president on the so-called Reform Party ticket — a short-lived venture launched and then abandoned by Texas business biggie, H. Ross Perot. Why? As he put it to an editor at George, “It’s a great way to raise the rents.”

What’s his angle this time around? My own best guess is to boost the ratings of his reality TV show, “Celebrity Apprentice,” which airs on NBC. The show pays Trump a reported $3 million per episode. MSNBC talk-show host and Trump critic Lawrence O’Donnell is probably exaggerating when he says the show may be the only paying job Trump actually has.

ah yes…. surging interest in Trump and his reality show certainly does beef up his negotiation points, which is most likely why he’s got them dangling on a string for a renewal. Which may be why even the NBC execs think this faux candidacy is a scam.

We certainly know one thing. Trump is no conservative. Dumber than dirt on foreign policy. Wouldn’t address Medicare reform, which does nothing for the unsustainable burden. Tells Paul Ryan to back off on the budget. Wants universal healthcare. Supported the auto bailouts, despite being the beneficiary of four bankruptcies himself.

As I said before, with “friends” like Trump, who needs enemies?

The Chump is nothing but a 2nd rate showman and opportunist who’s favored charity and subject is himself. Oddly enough, this puts him in the same class as the current self-absorbed POTUS. That’s only one more reason, added to a very long list, as to why I’ll be looking around for 3rd party Joe T. Driftwood with some conservative principles to pull the lever for in 2012 were the GOP fools enough to put the Chump on the official ticket.

Whether it’s the Chump or the Zero at the Oval Office helm, the nation will continue it’s economic slide down the tubes. But worse yet, Trump as CiC would be a serious abuse of our military, as he uses them to support his America-is-an-empire-for-oil foreign policy mentality.

For the braindead here… ahem, Ivan… who tend to lump everything into one group, the answer is no… not every eminent domain action is Constitutional. The Kelo suit doesn’t give an automatic nod to every developer in every area unless that community government can show the action of seizing private property in the name of “the people”, and then turning that property over to developers, is genuinely in the interests of the public good. Apparently, in the case of New London, the courts decided they had proven their particular case adequately…. which, in the aftermath, we see was an error.

That does not mean that every government seizure for development is a blanket Constitutional act.

The bundle of rights of property ownership has always been subject to four government powers… police power (zoning regulations), taxation, escheat (defaults back to government in the event of no heirs) and eminent domain. The devil as to their legality is in the individual details of every lawsuit.

The Chump reveals himself to be extraordinarily stupid in all too many arenas every time he opens his mouth. That he is “100%” behind the notion that government may seize private property for private development, sans any of those legal details, is another reason why he’s simply too ignorant to be leader of the free world. But it does show he’s a developer first, and one who believes in Constitutional rights second.

I knew I didn’t like him. This is another log on the fire.

Wake up, conservatives. The lamestream media is at it again. They do everything they can to elect the worst possible Republican candidate in the primary (and then crucify him in the election). Trump is their best hope at this point. Remember the previous election? There was a virtually complete media blackout on the most conservative candidates like Fred Thompson, but non-stop coverage on John “RINO” McCain … and it worked.

The fact that leftist shills like Ivan are telling us to get behind Trump just proves my point. Never take the advice of your enemies!

Mata:

Don’t vote for him if you don’t like him. Is her perfect? No, not by a long way and I agree with much of your criticism.

He does, however, come across strong on some issues that REPUBLICANS have betrayed the nation on: immigration, abortion, needing oil, tariffs on China’s exports, etc.

So I don’t agree with him in everything, but he’s strong on the important issues.

Also, your ripping him on the oil statement. I take it you were opposed to the US invasion of Iraq in ’03 then?

Ivan: Also, your ripping him on the oil statement. I take it you were opposed to the US invasion of Iraq in ’03 then?

For a guy that goes into overdrive, saying he doesn’t buy into lib/prog talking points, you certainly use them as the mainstay for your commentary. Iraq wasn’t, as you and your lib/prog peers seem to believe, a war for oil. Indeed, such whining made it virtually impossible for the US to enjoy the opportunity to bid with the new government in the aftermath – all for PC reasons.

None of that has to do with Trump’s idea to go in and seize a nation’s assets for payment of services in a war. With his mentality, the US military would cease being defenders of the US and freedom, and back up for our allies. They’d simply become paid mercenaries and invaders… with the importance of the cause being weighed by the payment for services rendered. Under a POTUS Chump, and his views towards military conflict, the US would never have entered WWII.

Good example of how stupid you are Trump. You think that government will bring economic opportunities to depressed area, somehow forgetting that the government caused the problem to begk with. Look at the cesspool called Detroit in which billions have been spent to bring about economic revitalization. Sorry to burst your bubble Donnie, but it ain’t happened yet and never will. Eminent domain is morally wrong and just doesn’t work, except to benefit some at the expense of others….i.e leech benefit, taxpayers pay and suffer. You scare me Trump. You are a buffoon and a parody of real businessman.

Anyone in 2012 will be better than what we have now. There is a strong tendency for Republicans to destroy each other in the primaries and the time running up to them leaving the dems to do the mop up work in the general election. Obama is the man to beat in 2012. Right now there isn’t one single perfect opposition candidate. They all have strengths and weaknesses. Obama’s poll numbers are beginning to tank (41% according to the latest Gallup poll) as predicted probably in part because of the rising fuel costs which still haven’t peaked which means he probably still hasn’t bottomed out in the polls yet. Add in inflation, another mini housing market crash, and a host of other things that could make the economy turn south even more as well as other issues that haven’t played out yet, and Obama will be very vulnerable in 2012. He is the favorite but he is beatable. We need not self destruct this soon.

another vet says: 16

Anyone in 2012 will be better than what we have now.

Agreed. As much as I can’t stand Newt, Palin or Romney, I’d vote for them over Obama in ’12.

There is a strong tendency for Republicans to destroy each other in the primaries and the time running up to them leaving the dems to do the mop up work in the general election.

You’re kidding, right? The party which doesn’t have the white house ALWAYS destroys itself
in the primaries. You should have seen the ’80 primary! Those were nasty.

Obama is the man to beat in 2012. Right now there isn’t one single perfect opposition candidate. They all have strengths and weaknesses.

Obama’s poll numbers are beginning to tank (41% according to the latest Gallup poll) as predicted probably in part because of the rising fuel costs which still haven’t peaked which means he probably still hasn’t bottomed out in the polls yet.

And when the economy tanks at the end of this year and gas is back sub-$3 a gallon his poll numbers will rise back up.

Add in inflation, another mini housing market crash, and a host of other things that could make the economy turn south even more as well as other issues that haven’t played out yet, and Obama will be very vulnerable in 2012.

Probably correct on all points here.

He is the favorite but he is beatable. We need not self destruct this soon.

Another, given the HATRED spewed against the new top-dog in the Republican Party by the Romney/Palin shills on FA, I can assure you that we have a problem and it needs to be addressed to those spewing the venom.

Mata, I’m talking about you and all the vile, repugnant rhetoric you keep screeching about in your hysterics.

Ivan: Mata, I’m talking about you and all the vile, repugnant rhetoric you keep screeching about in your hysterics.

Seems that the hysteria seems to be all in your, court, Ivan. I’m not the one trying to defend the indefensible, or spewing hatred towards all the commenters here, and the GOP in general. In fact, I’m pretty darn sure the only hysterical screeching here has been done by you.

But you’re a guy who’s unhinged… already figured that one out. What you like most is to hear yourself complain with the same whines, over and over again. So feel free to again expose yourself for the shallow village idiot without a cause you are. But I assure you, you’re attempts to lay your mental deficiencies at my cyber feet will be real only to you in your pathetically fragile state of mind.

YVAN, you apply the mistakes and lies to the REPUBLICANS when in fact those in power to write executives orders are the DEMOCRATS FOLLOWING AND AGREEING BLINDLY to OBAMA”S EVERY WISH TO SPEND IT ALL, don’t you forget that they where majority until the last election, and they still own the SENAT, so they and not the REPUBLICANS MUST CARRY THE RESPONSABILITY OF ALL THEIR EXECUTIVES SIGNATURES ALL ALONG, AND THEM ALONE, they like to swing the blame of every mistakes and whishfull expanses to other party but the AMERICANS ARE NOT BEING FOOLED ANYMORE BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU SPEWING HATE COMMENTS TO ACCUSED AND DISCREDIT THE CONSERVATIVES AND THE REPUBLICANS AND THE TEAPARTYERS WHO HAVE BEEN ELECTED JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, TO FACE A SNAKE PIT FULL OF DECEPTIVES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE,
THEY MUST LEARN THEIR GAME IN ORDER TO GET THEM IN FRONT OF THE AMERICANS, AND SO FAR ,THEY ARE DOING VERY GOOD, here I will rephrase a commenter , name BLUE, he said it right, you move slowly back in gear go on a bit more and stop recheck and go again on that slick sloap
which they are below to get them out of their hole and show their lies,
BLUE did say it diffrently but that is what I took from it. thank you BLUE.

MATA, hi, I came here to say what I thought of just before the other comment I made,
and It was about what you had mentionned on another of your POST,
concerning the MAYANS wHich stop to calculate their calendar at this year,
I was wondering with you too why did they stop, was it a good thing or a bad thing,
I might be wrong now, just tell me if so, but, THE MAYANS where calculating the rise of the humans on this EARTH with their own way of calculations , and if we look at the MIDDLE EASTS so many conflicts,
that could tell us that we have on our hands a revolutions of humans that have OUTNUMBER THE HUMANS which could live in peace on this EARTH!!! AND THEY FIGURED THE UPRISINGS THE DEMONIC BEHAVIORS OF HUMANS WHICH HAVE BEEN PROGRAM THROUGH GENERATIONS TO LIVE WITH HATE AND ENVY AND GREED OF OTHERS POSESSIONS TRYING TO CONQUER THE EARTH
AND THE POWERS WITTIN, SO TO THE MAYANS, WHAT THEY CAME TO FACE WITH WAS SO HORRIBLE FOR AN ADVANCE SOCIETY THEY WHERE THAT THEY CLOSE THE BOOK AS FOR THEIR END OF THE WORLD.

Well, Bees… not to wander too far off topic, and not being a well versed historian of Mayan culture, there’s only two thoughts I can offer. Some consider the end of the Mayan calendar not necessarily the “end” of life on earth, but perhaps signaling a new beginning of one. Not sure if that’s supposed to be an improvement… LOL

Secondly, the Mayan were believers of human sacrifice. While that’s not unusual for many cultures of that era, I’m not so sure I’d say they were that far advanced as a “civil” society, so to speak, except in the ways of agriculture, their attention to the cycles of time, and their artistry in temple architecture.

Guess all we can do is wait for the end of 2012, and see what transpires.

Patriot and others I always get a laugh at how many Repubs. and particularly Conservs. accuse and credit the msm for influencing their Pres primaries.MSM doesn’ t have that much power.
2008 Conserv favorite Thompson came in late and lazy not competing in Iowa or N.H. BIG MISTAKE
Romney got clobbered by evangelical backing of Huckabee in Iowa.
Mac an early underdog,broke and flying commercial airline busted his ass pumping every hand he could in N.H. and S.C. Rudy,an early frontrunne,also waited too long and got upset by Mac’s momemtum in Fla.
Game over. Macs hard work got him the nod.Msm had no dog in that fight. They’d already deserted Mac for BHO

2012 Msm has no interest in promoting Trump and he is not a Dem shill.He’s an egomaniac out only for his own glory.He can only win the nom if he totally outworks his competition.Conservs must unite behind WHO.That’s the ???
I believe Romney,organized,funded,and not as badly dogged by his Mormonism as in 08 will win Iowa and N.H and be hard to beat for nom. and Presidency if he picks Rubio as running mate.
He’s a charmer and MSM might even like him.

Bottom line Conservatives better wake up fast or Romney or God forbid Trump will steal your nomination

2012 Msm has no interest in promoting Trump

Ummm what? They certainly do. Obama easily beats him.

@MataHarley:

For a guy that goes into overdrive, saying he doesn’t buy into lib/prog talking points, you certainly use them as the mainstay for your commentary. Iraq wasn’t, as you and your lib/prog peers seem to believe, a war for oil.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph-you really need to check the doctor for the level of Aricept. Will you do that for me? Pretty please?

I’m am and was and still are in favor of OIF in ’03. Sadaam-and his batshit crazy sons-were enemies of the United States and I was all for taking them out. No regrets for me.

Indeed, such whining made it virtually impossible for the US to enjoy the opportunity to bid with the new government in the aftermath – all for PC reasons.

What ever you are blabbing about? Dude, we’re in agreement on OIF ’03.

Don’t assume anything with me. You’ve just made an ASS out of yourself (again).

@Curt:

Welp, looks like Ivan has found himself in the same league as BRob once was. After many requests for Ivan to be dismissed from FA for his insults I’ve put him into moderation mode….and one step closer to the banhammer. Like BRob I’m assuming he won’t take the hint.

What? For what reason? Not rolling over and taking the crap these people dish out?
Honestly, are you guys so weak that you can’t handle a true conservative dissenting opinion?
Curt, I don’t go around calling people “Idiot” like retire does. I attack their arguments, not their persona.

But you know what, go ahead and ban me because I don’t support Palin/Newt/Romney. Go ahead because I support Buchanan and Trump.

Man, what a great place you have here where is someone intelligent points out the intellectual dishonesty that exists here you kick them out.

Weak. Your shit will be weak.

Go ahead. Do it and you can have your echo chamber back.

For some reason I couldn’t edit my post:

As for McCain, the media most certainly helped him. I even recall a member of the loony left admitting as much in an article. The MSM knew he’d be the perfect patsy due to his enormous ego and open dislike of Conservatives.
As for Huck, he and McCain cut a deal to work against Romney and it worked. And for anyone wondering, I don’t like Schmuckabee or Romney.

Hard Right The question remains.Who ya got? Screw the MSM.

Rich, when we have an answer we’ll let you know…

Hard Right You do that. Take your time.

MATA YES YOU GOT IT GOOD, THERE IS ONE THING THAT IS VERY NOTABLE YOU MENTIONNED THEY WHERE GOOD IN AGRICULTURE! , A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM NOW, IF MR TRUMP WANT TO EXPROPRIATE HOUSES TO BUILD A BIG COMPLEX, THE MAYANS WOULD EXPROPRIATE TO TAKE THE LAND BACK TO THE PEOPLE SO TO FEED THEM. can you see a agriculture land in the middle of NEW YORK INSTEAD OF A MOSQUE, And that land producing all kinds of fruits and vegetable for it’s own
people, thank you bye

I was just watching Fox Business.
There was a poll.
72% of Fox Business viewers (who voted by text message) would vote for Trump should he become the Republican nominee.
At first I thought this was a sad commentary.
Then I visited the site.
There were only (at that time) 90 people who had voted….total.
(Now there are 140.)
Seems Fox Business is not watched by many people.

@Nan G:

You just highlighted the weakness of using percentages.

YVAN, you where never like that before, BTW, before what? are you okay?
are you going into a bad time?
I’m trying to figure out how you are so negative, there is a personal reason,
but It’s not our fault if you’r going into hard time, you cannot just blaming us if you are miserable at this time, just come out and tell us so we’ll sympatyse with you, instead of you and us all being on a defensive
with you

I’ve said a few stupid things on FA, some on purpose; some not but Ivan far outranks me (and everyone else) in those regards. Such disrespect is hard to come by, hell the guy even insults veterans, women and insults you Curt! And this is your blog! Maybe Bees is on too something, maybe Ivan needs help!

That being said, I’m not for deleting him Curt, I was just starting to realize I could have fun exercising my ability to insult him. He is good for that! And I’ve noticed he has quit responding to me. Have I hurt his feelings?

I’m sure everyone else is tired of him though. I’ve got to be honest, I’ve come to enjoy Greg and Larry, I find most of their opinions wrong but insightful none the less. I enjoy Ivan too! I enjoy him the way I enjoy a punching bag!

Let’s see how this works in the mind of the seriously unhinged…

@I criticize Trump here, and also here, for his notion that the US should be reimbursed for military action, or take the oil in ME conflicts…. effectively farming out our military like paid mercenaries instead of defenders of freedom.

@Ivan comes back in comment #14, suggesting that since I “ripped” Trump on his “take the oil” mentality, he concludes I must have been opposed to deposing Saddam.

When @I point out that equating OIF with Trump’s “take the oil” mentality is a lib/prog talking point , and that Iraq was not a war for oil, @he gets a wedgie from his BVD’s, says he was all for OIF and I just made an “ass” out of myself….

Sorry, Ivan …. that’s an award you manage to keep on your own mantle over and over.

I didn’t ask, nor care, what your position was on Iraq. You suggested that if I didn’t like Trump’s war for oil/use the military as mercenaries position, I *must* have opposed OIF. Only an idiot who assumes the position that Iraq was a war for oil would even ask that question. Not to mention my stand on Iraq is all over the place in the archives. So only a short sighted, memory deficient, senile village idiot would even go there.

Now it turns out that you’re simply illiterate, and can’t construct a cogent sentence that is consistent with your own all over the map beliefs. I suggest you take some classes in English composition. Apparently what you wanted to say wasn’t what you actually said.

For a guy who claims he’s here at “intermittent” intervals, I say you are actually a vile and insulting thread spammer. Most of the time, a few of us have to jump in here and undo your schizoid and deplorable talking points…. like, for example, GE’s taxes. … like for example Trump’s magically had an epiphany, and this third faux POTUS run must be different than his previous two. Your psychotic rantings are strewn over at least two Trump threads now.

We don’t have an “echo chamber” here. But most of the left leaning types here actually take a consistent stand on their views. They earn our respect because, unlike you, most don’t hate everyone… both the left and the right. And certainly not with the venom you exude. Nor do they always lash out at everyone with the wide brush you use.

And at least our resident leftists give more than lip service in their support of politicians – unlike you who worships Buchanan, but won’t give him your vote. Why? Apparently you won’t have anything to whine about…. Therefore, I do give my respect to the leftist who stand up for a POTUS they believe supports their political beliefs. They aren’t wishy washy, and all lofty talk, then a traitor to their beliefs at the ballot box like you.

Then you go the way of the ultimate coward, accusing Aye Chi of “stalking you” on the Internet, sans any proof, and doing so when Aye Chi isn’t around to respond. After that you launch into some personal discussion of how wonderful you must be because your wife is “hot”…. then tell me I must be jealous, and that Zac would “never” get anything like your wife. (BTW, Zac… if she’s in love with Ivan, you probably wouldn’t want anything like her anyway…)

Too much information. I ain’t that curious about you…. You’re one pathetically unfocused, sick and shallow man.

I said once before, you seem to believe the pumpkin arrived in Nov 2010, and should be turned into your royal political carriage overnight. Because it isn’t, you parrot blanket insults… turning each and every individual voice on FA into a one-size-fits-all target for your unstable personality to feed on. This despite the fact… as we’ve told you… that many of us share your frustration.

The difference is we don’t share your personally despicable and hateful attitude.

It’s impossible for me to respect you, Ivan, because you stand for nothing but hatred of everything and everyone. You don’t even have the convictions of beliefs to vote 3rd party, if you feel that’s your only choice. There is nothing that can satisfy you but an instant gratification that is impossible to achieve, and certainly not in a single left over 6 month budget bill.

This makes you nothing more than an unfocused dreamer, a needy thread spammer, and one ugly human.

Personally, I didn’t make any of the complaints. Swatting at you is about as difficult and time consuming as taking out the slow moving gnat flying around. But I sure wouldn’t miss you here. You offer nothing intelligent. Instead, you use FA to attempt to puff yourself up – laboring under the delusion that you are the single voice of truth, and the only one with intelligence. You believe you accomplish that by intellectual socialism – tearing others down to lift yourself up.

Well, it sounds like a personal problem to me, Ivan. And frankly, I don’t like you enough to aid in your quest.

Wow Mata. First time I’ve witnessed a live vivisection. Ouch.

@ MataHarley, Well said and long overdue. My hat is off to You! Ivan has anger management issues among others. Civil discussion and Free Exchange of information and perspectives is/was beyond His grasp. We do not come here to be insulted, demeaned or become the victims of anyone’s misplaced anger.

The Majority of Authors and Commenters here offer something of value. Those who choose to treat this Forum like a public restroom wall to scrawl their graffiti like angry children abuse the privilege that Curt offers generously. We are all through background, experience, education different. The diversity that I find here is both stimulating and refreshing. However the borders of Civility and Manners occasional get challenged both here on Forum and in the real world. Where I come from respect is earned daily and You are responsible for every word that You type or say. The Military can be unforgiving at times.

Curt’s decision to restore a bit of civility here has increased My personal respect for him. I want to thank the Authors and Commenters for their restraint they have exercised when confronted with insults here.
The FA readership from Folks that I served with is huge. It spans a couple of continents and multiple time zones. Deployed Folks come here to get a taste of Home, the People and Nation that they selflessly serve and defend. So don’t post anything here that You would not want Your Sons or Daughters to read.
I know that My Daughter lurks here and Her fellow USAFA Cadets do so as well. Policy prevents them from posting.

Hard Right, I said it before, MATA is an EAGLE, AND when she choose her prey, she descend on it straight vertical line , and her impact is an instant dinner all cut out ready to ingest.

Bees, digesting Ivan would be a bitter dinner indeed… Just got tired of holding my tongue. So sorry for the diversion and rant the rest of you must live thru.

To Ivan? No change. No apology. And no welcome mat from me.

FA is a great website because it give those who use it a chance to voice findings and personal opinions about subjects that are important to all of us. I am great full I’ve made an effort to show restraint when someone disagrees with me and many of the commentators do as well. Where I live I am somewhat of an outcast, as most of the people are very liberal, I’m sure its the same for many of the people here. FA is a great place!

Ivan has never made a single civil comment directed to me and has not made many to the other people here that I’ve seen. Most of us have thick skin, however I never spend my personal time around the Ivans of the world, I tend to walk away from such conversations before they wind up like the recent thread postings. And I to am impressed by the civility shown here.

I wish to apologize to anyone whose feelings I have hurt here at Flopping Aces. My remarks were caustic and uncivil.

I apologize to all the posters and readers of Flopping Aces, primarily Mara, Zack, Retire05, HardRight and any one else who I might have made a ad hominen comment about.

Please accept my apologies.

I can’t speak for anyone else, Ivan. But I accept your apology. And I will meet your civility in future commentary with equal civility.

YVAN, yes weldone, take care.

I’d like to know what I missed that makes Palin the devil?

Wow, I’m not even sure if I made a spelling, or a grammar mistake in my #43, second sentence. That’s bad. Real bad.

Ivan you spelt my name wrong and I don’t know of any mara on FA. I don’t need an apology from you. I don’t seem to have these feelings everyone talks about. Of course, I feel things physically but have no capacity to take things personally. even when I’m being bullied, yelled at, insulted, beaten up, or any other punishment. I think people play head games with themselves, that’s why they get hurt feelings. I already know everything that’s wrong with myself, if someone criticizes me that criticism is ether true or false. If that criticism is true, than I have exposed myself and am a transparent person, so I see no problem, except the one that I already know about, no harm done. If that criticism is false, than they have an issue, not me. Therefore If someone criticizes me; they are ether exposing their lack of perspective, trying to over-compensate or attempting to break me down; in which case they never will. Or the other scenario: they simply see my innate human flaws and I have a long list of them, although I try to do better every day.

Now my reaction to criticism is what will really expose me. If someone acts as though their feelings are hurt, that is a cry for attention, its because they are alone, feel alone and people prefer to form a bond and react as a group.

I work with people everyday, people naturally split up into small groups, form a bond, then react as a group. Nobody wants to be alone. Example: At first mata, bees and OT all wanted you gone. Now these people seem to have bonded by talking on FA, because shortly after wanting you gone, they accept your apology (with the exception of OT, he is unusually independent). See, people form a bond and an opinion and react as a group.

A good example of people desire to form a bond: People get married because they want to have a special bond with another human being. They want to form that bond, so they can react as a group with that person. They say “two heads are better than one”.

You have been cast out of the group and don’t seem to have anyone whom you have formed any bond with on FA, that’s criticism but true criticism. Truth is: You don’t really need to be part of the group, unless you want to play head games, personally if I were in your position, I would not have apologized to any of the people you apologized to. We don’t need apology. I would have apologized to Old Troopers Daughter Jana who is reading all this and can’t defend herself because of USAF computer technicalitys and Aye Chi whom is also not around to defend himself.

I don’t know if you will be excepted into the group again, that’s up to you, but who cares?!.. Just post a civil opinion! As for the rest of us if we can handle your insults, we can’t do anything!

Apology not necessary, I voted for you to stick around. Just watch you comments to people I respect and I won’t “out” you.

Never worry, I never do. This too shall pass, that’s my motto.

Zac, I am not “responding” as a group, nor “reacting” as a group. Ivan apologized for his approach on issues. I, on my own – and specifically said I speak only for myself – am willing to let people have a pass. If they do it again, the pass will no longer be available from me.

Secondly, I didn’t “want Ivan gone”. I wasn’t one who complained, and the worst I said was I wouldn’t miss him. He takes no time or emotions away from me, nor hurt my feelings. No more than a slow moving gnat.

Much as I adore Bees and OT, they do not govern my thought. Nor do I govern theirs. We are three independent people who make our own reactions and responses. Try to keep us separate in your minds, as you now seem to think we are a “swarm”. And frankly, I find that comparison offensive.

And lastly… yes, Ivan’s apology was necessary and prudent. Not particularily to me, but to the entire forum whom he continually mischaracterized as one singular entity that he despised.

Zac, hi, that was very well said, the same tought came to my mind too, but I came back to
re read YVAN’s comment appology, and notice he mentionned the last ones of his targets by name and OT was not part of thoses, and then I read he mentionned all , so that included the other before and OT ALSO,
WE MUST REMEMBER THAt, an appology is not easy to decide to give publicly, and that
is commandeble from anyone who can do it,
as a matter of fact, so commandeble to alliviate the wrong doing perpetrate from the person,
we are not immune from having to appologyse someday, no one is.
bye

“Swarm” I guess that is a joke. Ha Ha good one!

Matta I used you as the only visible example I could see on the page. I may have not made my point entirely clear. Everyone is a separate entity that thinks by themselves, however basic human behavior can be predictable. I myself hold certain peoples opinions in higher regard than others, because I agree with them, most of the time, often I follow advice from those people. I’ve never met someone I agreed with all the time. If that is thinking as a swarm, I am guilty of it. I do it every day!

A visible example of people being in agreement was used to relay basic social habits. Now that you mention it, I see how it could be seen as offensive but, that was not my intent. I certainly didn’t come up with the analogy to be offensive.

Yes it is admirable to apologize, it takes a certain amount of something to admit we are wrong. I didn’t think an apology to me was necessary, though.

I don’t know who complained and don’t care, would not hold that against anyone, didn’t say it was you Matta. I’m fine if he stays or goes but I am a big believer in being held accountable to our actions.

He misspelled both our names, which is also funny.

Thanks for the explanation, Zac. And yes… “swarm” was a joke play on words. LOL But I can’t think of three more strong individuals, who would resist the bonding and group think you suggested than Bees, OT and myself.

But I know, since our language and culture is still part of your acclimation to becoming a US citizen, you probably didn’t mean what you said to come out that way. We’re proud to have such an upstanding guy like you become a part of our nation.

Bees is correct in that it’s not easy to apologize. And like me, is willing to give someone another shot. OT speaks for himself. Altho it’s Curt who must ultimately remove Ivan from the mod filter, Ivan will either take that chance, and return with more carefully worded debate and less mud slinging … or he’ll step in it deeper and find himself hanging with Billy Bob some where other than FA.

Donald Trump is going to be hoist by his own petard.
Why?
Because, unlike Obama, when Trump lies the legacy media points it out….loudly.
____________________
CNN’s Eliot Spitzer went after Trump‘s claims of wealth.
Some things he aired on CNN:

Trump valued his golf course complex at $360 million– about $330 more than it was worth three years prior– based on real estate that did not exist on the property, nor was in the process of being created. In fact, the number came from a 75-mansion complex that, currently, only existed in the form of six of those proposed mansions, three of which were sold.

His million dollar speaking fees? Actually something more like $400,000, though Trump counted $600,000 in advertising as part of the package.

Trump’s net worth?
According to Trump it is around $3.5 billion dollars.
But two banks did their own valuations and found wildly disparate numbers– North Folk Bank valuing him at $1.2 billion, and Deutsche Bank putting that number somewhere around $788 million.

Trump was asked whether he had exaggerated his net worth. He said, “I’m no different than a politician running for office… you don’t want to say negative things,” later adding, “I think everyone does.”
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I doubt this much detail was ever aired about Obama’s acquision of wealth on CNN or NBC or ABC or CBS before he was elected.

Nan, hi, no for OBAMA, nothing, only they had TINGLES in their legs,
bye

The conservative movement is way to fragmented, and if we can not pull together, we are going to destroy our chances to save America. That said, I love Trump as a business man, but do NOT like his stance on this issue.

I missed this before. Trump rising in the polls does not surprise me, but he is hardly qualified and is very scary.

ZAC
come back to us we miss your smart comments as we miss OLD TROOPER,
I think OLD TROOPER HAS TAKEN ANOTHER TASK, IS TO HELP GOD CLEAR THE HEAVEN
FROM THE FALSE ANGELS GETTING IN FROM THE OPEN BORDERS,
HOPE HE DOESN’T THROW THEM ALL IN OUR AMERICA’S LAND,
WE ARE GETTING TO NOTICE QUITE A FEW IN THIS LAND.