The Senate of Indiana has passed an immigration bill that is similar to Arizona’s measures against illegal immigration, amid protests from some of the largest employers and business groups.
By a vote of 31 – 18 the measure was passed by the Senate and now must pass the House of Representatives. The bill will allow police to ask a person stopped for traffic violations for proof of legal residency if an officer has “reasonable suspicion” that the people may be here illegally. The bill will call for the use of English only at public meetings, web sites, and documents except in a few circumstances.
Senator Mike Delph, the bill’s author, says the bill will “send a clear message that Indiana will no longer be a sanctuary for people who are in our state and country illegally because of our federal government’s failure to act on illegal immigration.”
The Greater Indianapolis Chamber of Commerce says the bill will have a chilling on convention business and other businesses. “It will have a negative economic impact on the state of Indiana,” according to Chamber of Commerce Public Policy Director Angela Smith-Jones and maintains that immigration issues should be handled on the federal level. The Chamber of Commerce intends on lobbying the House of Representative to stop the bill.
Of course those who favor illegal aliens overrunning our country want the federal government to handle immigration issues because the Obama administration refuses to protect our borders and is a leading advocate of illegal immigration, a situation that has terrorists being smuggled across our Southern border by human smugglers from Mexico.
The majority of Americans favor the overwhelming of the American labor pool during a period of high unemployment and the overburdening of our schools and emergency rooms by the illegal aliens. Obama seems to feel that illegal aliens will help the economy and make for an influx of Democratic voters for the 2012 election, an influx that will be needed by Obama if he wants to be reelected in the next presidential election.
With the passage of Arizona’s SB 1070, President Obama appealed to ‘America’s sense of fairness,“to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police and our communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe.” Again Obama offered empty platitudes that sound nice at campus rallies, but offer Americans that are hurting economically only meaningless words that find a sympathetic ear among Obama’s public employee unions.
There are several more states following the leads of Indiana and Arizona: Arkansas, Idaho, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.to enforce the laws that the Obama administration refuses to enforce. If the Obama administration heads into the 2012 election with law multiple lawsuits against individual states, Obama will only handicapping his chances for reelection. America is anxious to take back its country from the George Soros puppet who parrots the Open Society and Open Borders ideology of Soros.
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Have you seen the two headlines about energy lately? EPA to restrict huge natural gas project in Indiana(2 billion $ to start). EPA will not allow drilling permits for shale oil in 6 West Texas counties.
West Texas crude now at 100$ a barrel.
Is your Dept. of Energy( which produces no energy) completely useless?
Will the EPA keep you warm,mobile, and fed?
Is economic freedom, a thing of the past?
Will the US dollar lose its world reserve status? If it does, will the printing of money continue?
So many questions.
I so wish we had legislaters here in KY who would follow this example as well. The amount of Illegals in Louisville alone is beginning to make me sick. I can’t go to the grocery without hearing spanish being spoken by people with loaded carts and EBT cards at the check out.
Just a Quote from a guy that is most likely turning over in his grave right now.
*Is your Dept. of Energy( which produces no energy) completely useless?
Yes, it appears so. Only the Private Sector can do that.
*Will the EPA keep you warm,mobile, and fed?
Nope. They appear to be opposed to those things in general. When the EPA will stop standing in the way of those issues is anyone’s guess.
*Is economic freedom, a thing of the past?
Under the Current Regime, it appears so. The Regime is an active sponsor of Government Dependency as a Tool.
*Will the US dollar lose its world reserve status? If it does, will the printing of money continue?
Yes on Both from all appearances as “The Economically Illiterate” are currently in charge.
Just the interest on the Debt alone, not the Principal, should crash the Dollar in the near future.
Ask the Chinese when they are going to stop buying US T-Bonds. That is the best answer.
Skook,
Those Hoosiers have it right! Pure and simple. As we somehow got off subject as to oil, let me say something on that.
I’m not sure why anyone should be surprised ad this clown’s stance as to the oil situation. consider the fact that it took our boy 8 days to get his head far enough out of his behind to even comment on the Libya situation. 8 days! In the meantime gas prices are flying through the roof! Yet, his so called administration has the gall to believe we the electorate are really dumb enough to accept their claims that inflation is not happening!
During his campaign, Obama was quite comfortable lecturing the electorate on the fact that he felt it was ok if gas prices when up to $5 a gallon or more. didn’t matter to our wanna be dictator! Now as the Mid-East goes up in flames and he openly shows his disdain for Israel, he steadfastly refuses as you note to allow us to tap our own vast natural resources.
His ideology dictates we as a country must be destroyed and become beholden to the third world garbage that is now and has been calling the shots in the U.N. for years.
Our president is nothing more than a follower of a failed Marxist/Socialist system and on top of that every move he makes is also apparently aimed at supporting every radical Muslim order out there.
Sorry for talking hydrocarbons on this post, but Indiana needs that energy. I’m partial to Hoosiers and hate the Colts.
From the Financial Times of London- North Sea Brent crude at 119$.
Economist on WSJ predicts, from numbers after the First Gulf War, crude per barrel could hit 220$.
I don’t know much about Gary, Indiana and its port facilities, and the rules for transportation of dangerous goods on the Saint Lawrence Seaway, but its location would be ideal for a liquid natural gas terminal.
Chicago is expecting another 9 inches of snow. It could be unpleasant, even for illegals. Cheaper natural gas and more security of supply would be a godsend.
Wednesday the EPA released its final Clean Air Act standards for boilers and incinerators and are less stringent than initially proposed.
Remember Obama wanted to cost businesses BILLIONS through impossible standards via his executive order.
Problem was, the EPA never wrote up the regulations that fit his executive order.
Too much golf?
Too many basketball games?
Too many cocktail parties?
Whatever………
I’m glad.
The courts had given the EPA a deadline and they failed to reach it with their newer more stringent rules they wanted to kill more business with.
So…….they basically (for the most part) went with what was already set up, under Bush.
Easier on the printing/paper business….what’s left of it in the states.
Obama & the EPA wanted to especially say biofuel was no good if it was from wood pulp and used to help power paper mills!
But that’s not in there.
I’m happy because we buy as much American-made paper for our printers as possible.
It is better paper, jams up less often, takes the copy better, holds the colors more correctly, and hires Americans to make.
From the Washington Post:
“President Obama‘s top economic adviser said Thursday the White House is monitoring the spike in oil prices as a result of uprisings in Libya, but said that recent fluctuations aren’t likely to derail the U.S. economic recovery.”
Now can someone please tell me how runaway oil prices that are basically due to the ineptness of the CIC (Clown In Chief) will not or cannot effect the current economy? Good Grief! They actually expect us to believe these lies!!!!!
@joetote:
In the light of these rises in the price of oil some major supermarket (not in my area, so the name escapes me) has promised to hold down to present levels the prices of 40 basic food items.
I wish I knew more about this.
It sounds like some business is promising their customers at least the basic foods they need for a plain, basic existence.
That is more than Obama is promising.
We had a gas station on local news today with a sign: $4.00 for regular gasoline.
We need to get rid of this notion that states can’t be involved in immigration matters. The feds have the right to set the rules on who can get in legally, but that doesn’t mean the states can’t enforce those rules…. think of it like a citizens’ arrest. 😉
@Old Trooper2, #3:
I’m curious where the second part of the quote (put in bold text above) comes from. The quote has been plastered all over the internet, which of course proves nothing. Are those actually the words of Thomas Jefferson, or something added by a politically motivated revisionist?
This is a scan of Jefferson’s original 1802 letter to Thomas Cooper from which the first part is taken; and here is an exact transcription of the same. The first part of the attributed quote appears in the transcription about 2/3 of the way down the text. The second part appears nowhere.
Since our clown in chief has chosen to make us even more vulnerable to the fluctuations of oil prices by destroying domestic production and has given his tacit approval of the illegal alien invasion for our own good and his 2012 reelection; we call all suck the hind teat of the sour hog called George Soros, in order to flatter the sophomoric idealism and blind faith in the Socialist concepts of Open Societies and Open Borders of His Puppeteer G. Soros. Our president has done nothing but scam for unions and destroy America’s economy and our alliances to promote harmony and capitulation with our enemies.
Maybe it is time to demonstrate our disgust with this inept and incompetent fool. Our country may not be able to survive two more years of this assault against America.
I think you need to look for a letter from Jefferson to Willaim Ludlow, greg.
I don’t know how two separate letters’ quotes got conflated by I have a hard copy at home.
1824 was the year, if that helps.
One place the letter in my old history book is on the web:
http://www.ashokkarra.com/2009/10/thomas-jefferson-to-william-ludlow-monticello-sept-6-1824/
@ Greg, both letters hold significance. The sources for me are from a book that I purchased at the University of Virginia several years ago if that holds any importance.
I submit that the accuracy of the statements are valid today.
@Nan G, #13:
Thanks for the link. I’d tried to find something on that second part of the quote myself without success. A point of interest: William Ludlow seems to have had the intention of founding a religious community in Ohio, The Coal Creek Community and Church of God. It was to have been an early socialist experiment, similar to the community founded in 1824 in New Harmony, Indiana. Apparently he had trouble getting the land.
@Old Trooper2, #14:
I don’t reject Jefferson’s point, though you and I obviously have some very different ideas about what’s an excessive degree of governmental machinery, given the complexity of a 21st Century world.
That’s a major leftist complaint about the Constitution: that today’s world is far too complex for an 18th Century document. They want to redo it with a 19th Century ideology that has failed repeatedly; yet, they insist if we give the Constitutional Scholar in the White House the chance for George Soros to rewrite the thing, it will be perfect for a modern day dystopia of his own creation. May we never go down this path again.
@ Greg , Given the unsustainably HUGE size of Government, it’s inability to focus on the genuine priorities that the survival of the Republic requires, the State of Economic and Constitutional Illiteracy of the Current Regime and the fact that numerous FA readers/posters have spent hours to Your benefit in enriching Your knowledge of Who We are and Where We came from, We will continue to disagree on most things.
Jefferson and others from the group of Men that were the Founding Fathers wrote numerous letters to both their adversaries and friends in order to exchange thoughts on matters of consequence in Our Early Years as a Nation. There was no media other that crudely printed newspapers, no press conferences per se, they met in Town Halls, Churches, Taverns and in private homes. That is why Curt’s offering here on the interweb holds great value. I view Flopping aces as the “Town Hall”, accessible to many by means of the net in that same venue.
Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Hamilton, the Adams Clan, Madison and others had differing opines on the Function and Purpose of Government. From the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation and the drafting of Our Bill of Rights and Constitution, the differences were many.
My experiences, education and career differs from yours in many respects. My views were formed from the perspective of a Professional Soldier, Rancher and instrument in US Foreign Policy when Diplomacy Failed. My Oath is to the Constitution and not to the Temporary Residents of Offices on Capitol Hill or 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. My investment in this Nation was in a Lifetime of Service, not a reputation among Politicians, nor a subscription to Any Political Parties aims or philosophies. I was willing to give my Life if necessary to preserve the Republic and Alliances that maintain Order in a World that was in constant turmoil. In between Deployments, I got some “book learning” and it was in many different subjects.
Your views will very seldom agree with mine. We went to “different schools”, learned “different lessons” and that’s just the way things worked out.
IS THIS YOU’RE STATES IMMIGRATION FUTURE?
States are in turmoil because they don’t have sufficient money to cover retirement pensions and money for health care for public employees. It began with Madison, Wisconsin but now it’s spreading to other States, with enormous holes in their treasuries. The time is now here to remove the illegal immigration portion of the problem. Just think about it? If–YOUR–your state doesn’t enforce harsh immigration laws, thousands will arrive there from Arizona or any other zero-tolerance State. When the Grand Canyon State of Arizona began drastic reduction measures, to cut-off welfare benefits, 14th Amendment birthright citizenship law for the babies of illegal immigrants and all the provisions of new policing legislation, the huge population of illegal foreign nationals starting moving out?
It’s really just common sense that they don’t want to be caught driving a vehicle without a license or insurance, so they will pack up their possessions. It’s obvious they are going to leave States with too much harassment and may be captured and turned over to ICE. But where lawmakers have dismissed or failed to enact policing laws they will be heading your way? Immediate States near the border have overcrowded schools full of the children of illegal aliens, given no chance for the students of the legal residents to get a decent education—again the law is mandated. Schools are so undernourished by not having enough money, they have to rely on school children parents for books and other classroom material or the teacher must buy extras from their salaries. Try having a minor accident at work and being rushed to the emergency room, only to wait in the reception room for hours because the whole place is crammed with people and their children sneezing and coughing with no English spoken; the law is mandated?
Arizona and other States are hoping to save their own financial hide, while soft convenient States as the Sanctuary State of California, Nevada mostly run by Liberal Progressives in Sacramento and Carson City are readying to justify raising more taxes on residents. Where Arizona is concerned its their fault, owing that they were on the front line of the illegal invaders using bogus identification to get a job or mislead the welfare public officers. A bundle of new enforcement laws to be passed by Arizona will send even more apprehensive illegal workers and families, going on selective journeys. To perhaps Utah, Colorado, Georgia Illinois, South Dakota, Michigan, Florida or any number of States that might have corrupt State Senators and Representatives, who are feathering their nests with campaign contributions from big employers and radical wide open border groups. Lax State inhabitants will wish they spoke up and demanded of their State leadership to enact laws, with less pandering to foreigners squatting in their communities. Why didn’t they speak up, calling their State politician that they need a mandated E-Verify, 287 (G) or the Secure Community policing laws and then to sever all public payments and welfare.
California–of course will get the majority of the illegal influx of people from Arizona, but other States with less revenue, will also become a target for economic aliens. California right now is bleeding copiously from a 24 Billion deficit, high taxes and huge public expenditures for illegal aliens. It will send a message to Arizona and other restrictive illegal alien States, that Texas has opened the floodgates and they have a welcome mat out to economic illegal nationals who see the State as a welfare refuge for families, instant citizen babies and with that food stamps, Medicaid, section 8 housing and cash payments for every child they conceive and welfare. America is in dire straights from the demands of illegal immigrants and now we are putting our foot down against any more pandering. The Amnesty of 1986 cost Americans billions and the law was completely ignored.
We reserve the right to halt another amnesty, the Dream Act (another amnesty) Sanctuary Cities and reduce and stop to a trickle any more immigration until the real-double-layer-fence is constructed. After the feds completed all their promised their tasks, we can then talk about a a limited Guest Worker program. Highly professional immigrants should not be held back, but destitute uneducated aliens leads to more poverty for our own low income people. As an Texan or any other State who is sick of the IRS snatching your taxes to support the millions of illegal aliens squatting in America, demand that your (Federal or State) Senators or Congressmen pull the plug on the illegal immigrant invasion. Your Telephone book generally has a listing of both your local State and US government lawmakers who supposedly represents your rights. You can also join the regional TEA Party where you live, but also become a member the million plus of pro-sovereignty group NumbersUSA.
OLD TROOPER 2, yes, the way GREG think is like a close mind who is blinded and see nothing,
hear nothing, and will never admit that his party are hurting AMERICA,, no matter how low they get.
bye
Brittanicus, thank you, expressing the problem so well,
and I would add that the longer people sit and wait as it is now an urgent matter so the actions
should be now,
OT2 Well said. Those of us who have been there and got the T shirt do have quite a different perspective on life and current events. My oldest son graduated from college just before I went to Iraq. We were having a beer at the local pub. He told me how much smarter I had become in the past 4 years, He was serious, but had this great big smile. He realized that when the moisture dried behind his ears, he saw things quite differently.
@ Randy, There are Times for Diplomacy and there are times for that “Other stuff”. I don’t expect everyone to understand that but a basic knowledge of “Who/What We are” and Where it came from can give anyone the proper direction. When We started having Career Politicians in this Country it all went south.
Trying to explain any of this to Post Modern Entitlement folks is nearly impossible as the School Systems short sheet the bed on History. We are dinosaurs by comparison.
A lot of folks do not swim in the Nile River because of some of the surviving dinos!
OT2 and Randy, You remind me of Ecclesiastices. There is a time for…And, Randy’s statement about his conversation with his son. Reminds me: The older I become, the wiser my father becomes. Mostly, Randy, your innate understanding of one of my favorite Winston Churchill quotes:
Thanks, guys!
If I were a gambler I would bet all that I have that Obama won’t run in 2012. The democrats have admitted that they didn’t verify that he was a US citizen. Several states are making it mandatory that a politician proves they are a legal citizen, and I believe Obama can’t do it. The only good thing about him being our first illegal president is that it won’t happen again in 2012.
ALL I READ HERE IS FROM FEBRUARY 2011,
how strange, THAT I did not read the dates first,
because IT’S the same today, on 27 of AUGUST 2011
and worse,
OLD TROOPER 2, and all, have talk WISDOM. here in FEBRUARY,
WE NEED TO HEAR YOU NOW FOR MORE,
ON HURRICANE IRENE? NO;
on THE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY THE NOW GOVERNMENT ON A PATH OF DESTRUCTION, ALL OVER THE WORLD? NO
WE NEED TO HEAR ABOUT THE SOLUTIONS, HOW EVER RADICALS THEY MAY BE.
BECAUSE FROM FEBRUARY, WHAT YOU HAVE PREDICT HAPPENNED WORSE, AND WE ARE ONLY IN AUGUST 27 2011, AND THE AMERICANS ARE SUFFERING NOW.
Congress may be on vacation, but the American worker should be in full crisis mode! After an atrocious fight under the rotunda about the debt ceiling, the majority of Congressional leaders left Capitol Hill thinking their work for the summer would be over. But after that, the Obama Administration announced the postponement of practically ALL deportations of non-violent illegal aliens already ordered by U.S. immigration courts.
Think this is bad? Well it gets even worse!
Not merely will the President let these 300,000 illegal aliens disregard their deportation orders, he is beginning to give these illegal aliens work visas to compete with U.S. workers! That’s right! These 300,000 (and possibly more!) illegal aliens will not be returning to their home countries, even though a U.S. judge had ordered them to leave. Instead, they will be handed a free pass and perhaps a work visa to compete with 22 million Americans who cannot find full time work. The quickest and surest way to discourage President Obama’s minions from carrying out this plan is public outrage. By Channeling public feeling into constructive political action is what we do. If anyone can keep pressure on Obama, it’s NumbersUSA. HELP US!!! Go to the “American Patrol “website and see the news that Democrats and the left don’t want you to see?
According to “American Patrol” Web site, almost one million illegal immigrants cross into the U.S annually. Illegally aliens flow easily through Arizona, while the Obama government claims it has build more than 300 miles of fencing on the 400-mile Arizona-Mexico border. A large part is ineffective, being vehicle barriers or discounted fencing. A map and photographs of the Arizona border fence is available here. Glenn Spenser of American Patrol asked, “How far have we sunk as a nation when a small border state in the midst of a recession has to ask for donations to protect itself against an invasion that is sponsored in part by the President of the United States?” He explained that Arizona is collecting donations to build a fence along its border with Mexico, which is outrageous.
One of the distressing things about this is that Obama frequently stated in recent months that he would NOT force any type of immigration rule on his own “without the consent or passage by Congress.” This new policy proves Mr. Obama’s previous law-abiding propaganda to be deceptive at best. He was unable to jostle an illegal alien amnesty through Congress, so he just structured a temporary one by fiat. This is an attack on the Rule of Law and our Constitution. Don’t you agree?
Only Congress and the general public can undo this misconduct now. We have to let loose every weapon in our political arsenal in rolling back this Amnesty. NumbersUSA will send out millions of free faxes and make thousands of telephone calls. We must lobby Congress to keep them up to date! The public also can bombard their Senate and Congressional representatives through the Washington switchboard at 202-224-3121
The Administration timed its new amnesty policy to take effect during August, when Congress is out of session and the news media was sidetracked or simply ignored this disturbing issue. Sure enough, this is another amnesty that has flown under the radar of most media outlets. Six other small amnesties also were enacted silently while the press looked the other way after the 1986 immigration law. How many of your local newspapers, TV stations, or favorite blogs have reported this story?
We all know that the open borders, businesses lobbyists, churches, unions have scolded Obama at every turn for increasing deportations (which the American population have asked him for). But just now, when zero-tolerance deportations are starting to have an impact, he turns his back on law enforcement. And in doing so, he is shrugging his shoulder on the American people. The President took an oath to follow the law — not capsize the laws. The American people can stop this by screaming the loudest. Obama will not follow through with this policy if the America person rises up and yells bloody murder.
This is the time to empty the overcrowded classrooms, full with the children of illegal aliens. Give hospitals breathing space and saving billions of dollars from uninsured illegal immigrants, who knowingly enter by foot, vehicle, aircraft or boat into the United States. Entering illegally is a violation of our national sovereignty and it should be a felony, for anybody who knowingly breaks the rules, including businesses who hire them. Start the Attrition by enforcement programs such as E-Verify, Secure Communities and support Arizona, Alabama, Georgia, Utah and States nationwide that have no choice but to restrict illegal immigrants through police laws as their welfare programs are being sucked dry.
Frightened illegal nationals are bypassing Arizona and loading their possessions, heading for Sanctuary States as California, Nevada, Illinois, Washington State and many counties within particular States.
We cannot accommodate any longer those who come here to steal welfare and public services from valid Americans. It is estimated that illegal aliens send home by wire transfer around $40 billion dollars annually, which should be going into state treasuries. Join the TEA PARTY; join the people who are Black, White, Hispanic and every race, religious persuation and further backgrounds who believe in the “Rule of Law.”
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@Brittanicus, #27:
That might be a mischaracterization, according to David E Campbell and Robert D Putnam. It’s their contention that Tea Party supporters aren’t really a representative cross section of the American populace at all:
GREG WHAT A CREEP YOU ARE, AND ALL THAT SHIT YOU FOUND TO RESPOND TO THE DEBASED ACTIONS OF OBAMA TOWARD THE CONGRESS OF AMERICA,
HE IS AN IMPOSTOR AND MUST BE HOLD RESPONSIBLE AND MUST HAVE HIS POWER REMOVED AT ONCE. TO PREVENT HIM FROM DOING MORE DESTRUCTING ACTIONS AGAINST AMERICA WHICH HE PROVED TO HATE, HIS LAW MUST BE ALL REPEALED, BECAUSE HE IS NOT A FRIEND OF THE USA,
AND A DANGEROUS ENNEMY
I AM SHOCK TO READ BRITTANICUS STORY AND CALL FOR ACTIONS FROM ALL AMERICA,
AND THAT IS WHAT YOU GREG COME UP WITH FLAM ATTACK ON TRUE AMERICANS, LIKE THE TEA PARTY, WHO LEAVE THEIR HOME TO GO ON THE STREET DEMONSTRATE THE WRONG OF THE GOVERNMENT IN POWER, YOU ARE JUST PASSING BY THE DECISION TO GIVE THOSE ILLEGALS THE WELCOME THEY HAVE NOT DESERVED BY CROSSING THE BORDER ILLEGALLY,
THAT SUITS YOU FINE, AND IT IS AN ABOMINATION TOWARD THE STRUGGLING AMERICANS NOT ABLE TO WORK.
THAT IS HOW LOW YOU ARE, GREG.
@Greg: Poor Greg. Have you ever been to a tea party gathering? Have you ever explored the Tea Party in any other way except your lame stream media? Unlike you, I have sought out the truth about these people. Most would never have gotten off of their frront porch rockers if you and the rest of the left had not run this country into a sewer. My advice to you is (after you get your head out of your butt) is to get to know a real patriot. Go to a Tea Party gathering and just meet a few people. Get their view on the issues. Read the signs they carry that your media buddies do not show. Investigat the Tea Party like your climate scientists should have investigated climate change. Hypothesis, Observation and Conclusions. If the conclusions do not fit the hypothesis, restate the hypothesis to meet the observations and redo the process. Use some common sense in arriving at conclusions instead of embracing all of the propaganda you read in your biased media.