We have been musing on the Obama administration’s handling of the events transpiring in Egypt. Many of us would like to believe that Barack Obama is genuinely incompetent as has been suggested, but what if it’s something else? What if things are going precisely the way Barack Obama wants them to go? This is the basis for an an interesting article by Victor Sharpe over at American Thinker.
My fear is that Obama is not naïve at all, but he instead knows only too well what he is doing, for he is eagerly promoting Islamic power in the world while diminishing the West and Israel, however much innocent blood will flow as a result.
Sharpe believes, as I do, that the Muslim Brotherhood will eventually seize control of Egypt and Egypt will become the next Iran.
Inevitably, sooner or later, the Muslim Brotherhood will take power, usher in a barbaric Islamist power in Egypt that will control the Suez Canal, and show no mercy to its own people or its perceived foes.
Sharpe notes that Lebanon has fallen to Islamists and Jordan is likely next to succumb. Sharpe also sees the hand of George Soros via the International Crisis Group, of which Mohammed ElBaradei is a member.
Upon Mubarak’s departure, it was assumed that Vice President Omar Suleiman would take control, but he has made it known that Mohamed Hussein Tantawi (there’s that middle name again) would be the leader of a new military council. US diplomats have described Tantawi as “aged and change-resistant.” He is also described as being uncomfortable with the US’ focus on fighting terrorism and “resistant to political and economic reform.” And someone not happy with the loss of central power.
Yet if there is change in Egypt, it may not be what the West would like to see.
In July of last year, the University of Maryland commissioned Zogby to poll the people of Egypt. Here are a few of their findings:
* 85% of Egyptians hold an unfavorable attitude toward the U.S.
* 87% of Egyptians have no confidence in the U.S.
* 92% of Egyptians believe the U.S. is one of two nations that is the greatest threat to them (the other nation the Egyptian people hate is Israel)
* 52% of Egyptians hold an unfavorable opinion of American people
* 65% of Egyptians believe that Islamic clergy must play a greater role in the Egyptian political system
* 79% percent of Egyptians believe that it would be positive if Iran is able to acquire nuclear weapons
A Pew Research Center Global Attitudes Project poll conducted last year revealed the conflict between religion and democracy in Egypt and this is the fly in the ointment of freedom.
– 84% favor the death penalty for apostasy
– 90% believe in freedom of religion
– 59% would choose fundamentalists over modernizers
– 82% support stoning for adulterers
– 54% believe suicide bombing can be justified
– 82% have an unfavorable view of the United States (despite all the Obama apologies)
While George Bush actively encouraged democratic efforts in Egypt, Barack Obama cut off funding for those efforts.
“No matter what was said in private, or how forcefully, the public message sent by the Obama administration over the past two years was that democracy and human rights in Egypt was not a top priority,” Kessler writes. “When given the opportunity to use the biggest megaphone in the world–the voice of the president of the United States–the words were whispered, if said at all.”
The poll information is critical. Egyptians may claim to want democracy but the majority would choose fundamentalists to run the government and the vast majority favor killing those who would leave Islam. Some semblance of a democracy might even briefly appear in Egypt within months but ironically the democracy that offers freedom of choice might see the choice of a fundamentalist government and the end of freedom of choice and certainly the end of many human rights. It will be intriguing to see how the Obama administration handles it.
Back to Byron York:
Muslim opinion of Obama, who made outreach to Muslims a top priority and traveled to Cairo in June 2009 to address the Islamic world, has also dropped.
Then again, maybe Obama is trying to get back into their good graces by helping to build a global Islamic world.
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
A little insight from a Guy who is tasked with Situation Analysis and Defense of All Things Necessary to the Survival of the Republic. Things that a whole lot of folks take for granted. It is a good read. Go there for a look.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/democratic_oligarchic_or_islam_1.html
Don’t look for any further posts from me on this or any other subject. Like Dick Winters, at this point all I really wish for is to return to my relatively quiet patch of ground, retirement and to mind my own damn business. I may have ruffled a few feathers here. I am Old School. The one that taught me that You don’t ever have to apologize for having high personal standards and things that You value are worth Your Life if necessary to preserve. I gave the Country the majority of my adult life but in a world with negotiable values it was not enough to make a dent in the Future. I will leave that to others and go back to where I belong. I Served Where I was Sent and can return home with no sense of shame for that. I was no Sunshine Patriot.
Take Care All and God Bless You
God Bless America.
@keema: Did not claim otherwise. The Islamic apology tour was not circumstantial, though.
@keema: Neither is Clapper’s assertion that Muslim Brotherhood being “secular” circumstantial.
What kind of idiot says something like that? Who hires this kind of idiot?
@keema:
I beg to differ with your
As I did my daily read around I came across this: The Muslim Brotherhood: the enemy in its own words
Circumstantial? …. Obama? Get real.
@Old Trooper 2: I would rather you stayed, OT, but you have earned your choices.
@Old Trooper 2:
I have valued your insight, as I’m sure many of us here have, to provide me (a common grunt on the ground) a much better action plan with which to attack NOT defend our positions. Leaders, such as yourself, don’t often jump in the fray without first checking to see which way the wind is blowing.
Stay, don’t concede the defeat these ill guided progressives believe is easily obtained. They are just following their mantra and as Herman Cain said in his CPAC speech “it’s the liberal SIN”.
S = Shift the subject
I = Ignore the facts
N = Name call
Help guide us in that effort to return our great country to the stature it is tumbling from.
@Ivan:
I don’t think you need say anything more than this, Ivan. The above may be your interpretation of a woman’s “responsibility” but I suspect you’ll be in a minority. Your opinion sounds downright misogynist- Islamic fundamentalist, in fact.
Andy McCarthy
Read it all
Dr. John did his research! The numbers he posted are absolutely correct. 95% of Muslims are of the opinion that if one leaves the faith of Islam they are entitled to die! etc.etc. As for BHO – I sadly agree, he is extremely pro-Muslim!
This self proclaimed “Jakarta Street kid” has stated “”The Arabic Call to Prayer is the most beautiful sound on Earth”. His constant praise of Muslim undertakings as well as his acceptance of his mentor screaming “God damn America” is proof enough!
@DrJohn:
DrJohn, those questions you linked are a great start:
Here are a few others:
Do you condone or condemn the Palestinians, Chechens, and Kashmiris who give up their lives to kill enemy civilians?
Should Muslim women have equal rights with men (for example, in inheritance shares or court testimony)?
Should non-Muslims enjoy completely equal civil rights with Muslims?
May Muslims convert to other religions?
May Muslim women marry non-Muslim men?
Do you accept the laws of a majority non-Muslim government and unreservedly pledge allegiance to that government?
Should the state impose religious observance, such as banning food service during Ramadan?
When Islamic customs conflict with secular laws (e.g., covering the face for drivers’ license pictures), which should give way?
Are Sufis and Shi’ites fully legitimate Muslims?
Do you see Muslims who disagree with you as having fallen into unbelief?
Is takfir (condemning fellow Muslims with whom one has disagreements as unbelievers) an acceptable practice?
Do you accept the legitimacy of scholarly inquiry into the origins of Islam?
Do you agree that institutions accused of funding terrorism should be shut down, or do you see this a symptom of bias?
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I have watched as CAIR’s spokesman hemmed and hawed rather than answer this one:
Will you condemn by name as terrorist groups such organizations as Abu Sayyaf, Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, Groupe Islamique Armée, Hamas, Harakat ul-Mujahidin, Hizbullah, Islamic Jihad, Jaish-e-Mohammed, Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, and al-Qaida?
We got a lot of dissembling, but never got the straight answer, yes or no.
OT it was with sadness that I read your last post. I can only speak for myself, but I doubt if my fellow writers and those who write constructive commentary are too far afield in their feelings. Your honor, integrity, experience, intelligence, and insight served a very real service for many of us as we confront the the threat of the loss of the country we love. Many of us contemplate our own failures of the past and wish we could have been more like Old Trooper.
You stood as a beacon and like the expert sailor who trims the sail and keeps a knowing hand on the rudder to “thread the eye of the needle” and get the most of wind, sail, and current; you have performed that job so well for many of us here at FA.
Trust that you will be sorely missed and remembered for as long as many of us continue to draw breath and keep lucid faculties. I can only offer you a sincere Thank You for four decades of service and a sharp salute from a lowly grunt. May G-d watch over you and yours and may Jana fly above the eagles with the same honor and courage of her father.
OT2
Thank you for your posts.
I quit too, about two years ago, and every now and then get back into posting.
Just can not help it when I get upset.
I am retired Air Force and it really bothers me when I see my efforts wasted.
The best to you sir.
I wish Old Trooper and his daughter the best. He has given me some excellent advice & I aspire to do the things he has done to serve his country.
“I better tell my just-turned 18 y/o daughter to forget about college and that teaching career, and go get pregnant, so western civilization won’t collapse.”
Patvan: Excellent summery of that whole theory sir. I thought it was popular to tell people to quit having babies because soon we would be overpopulated and not have enough “resources”. Ether way I don’t have enough spare brain cells to allocate to this theory.
This is an important article. Perhaps there is no definite answer at time for us who want to see every possible angle. I doubt arabic is the language of the future, english is the universal language. Obama is only as good as his magical telaprompter. I think the telaprompter may be calling the shots.
@Patvann:
How did I “trash” the girl?
Yep, feminism and all its boundless glory is alive and well here at Flopping Aces! Better yet, let’s open up basic infantry squads to the ladies and let them get torn to bits in the next war more so than they are now!
That’s okay, when the Muslims take over, like they are doing in Europe, what will you say then? What will you say?
OT,
All my best! We’ll miss you and thank you truly for your service and please relate the same to your daughter!
@Ivan:
I searched through your two most recent posts and didn’t find answers to the questions that I posed to you:
Wow… quite the OT (off topic) tangents, and OT2 commentary, piled on to the original post.
First that needs to be said is that Ivan is a true Neanderthal. Such commentary, rooted in the knock-’em-over-the-head-and-drag-’em-into-the-cave mentality, begs the observation that our nation was truly damaged when they gave guys like Ivan the right to vote. LOL
Personally, I love a man who’s got the stuff who could pull that Neanderthal ‘tude off, and drag me into the cave. Strong men are indeed hard to find. Ivan is an example of a man to be shunned by women everywhere…. even those who choose families as their career. However before a guy can drag this woman into a cave, he’d better prove he’s more adept at taking care of me, and making wise decisions, than I am for myself.
I’ve often rued the changes over time when American women were put on pedestals, and in a sense, “superior” to men by them honoring her. Yes, the feminist movement demanded “equality”, and our superiority was lowered. But then, women were honored because of their choices to be the heart of the family. When economic times changed, households started needing two incomes to survive. So some of the career options for women, who preferred to stay home to raise the family, was no longer a financial reality.
This reality blows ear to ear, non stop, thru the empty vessel that constitutes Ivan’s cranium, of course.
Instead, in Ivan’s distorted world, women should not have that choice, but should be a slave to baby making. A slave cannot be put on the pedestal because the choice to be exalted was stripped away. This explains why Ivan’s attitude is less like Sparta, as he purports, and more like OTs’ comparison to Nazi control.
But if you wish societal changes to again encourage women to be homemakers as their first career, my suggestion is you put a muzzle on pretend he-men like Ivan. Nothing will drive a woman to career single status for eternity than meeting a guy like Ivan.
I’m entertaining the vision of a face to face of Ivan and Jana… would he even have the balls to broach such commentary with such a formidable young woman. Frankly, my money’s on Jana. Ivan’s already pretty neutered for all things testosterone. Should be a slam/dunk for one of our nation’s finest.
I’m with OT, which has some agreement with Ivan’s narrow focus about women in combat. As David Hackworth used to say, women in the service can free a soldier to fight. I agree that fighter/air combat skills don’t become gender specific. Nor is intel tasks. Yet at some points, even the intel or fighter pilot may find themselves in the trenches in a moment in time. But I don’t see the military, recruiting women to be put into the trenches as front line fighting forces.
All in all, I’d say that whether women are to be in the front lines of battle is a decision that should be made within the military and those that serve. This, of course, leaves out giving any weight to the armchair eunuchs like Ivan. This country does allow him freedom of speech… but it becomes ironic that privilege is preserved in part by many women who are dodging bullets for his sorry ass.
Now, loss of OT2’s voice at FA would be a sad day indeed. Just can’t imagine not having him here. Tho I sure understand that retreat to your own patch, and just be left alone bit. But then, I don’t see our OT2 as doing that. His passion runs too great, and his love for our country – and it’s future for his daughter and any possible future grandchildren – would get the better of him if he saw it being dismantled before him. He did not spend a life of career service to watch it swirl down the toilet bowl while he still takes a breath.
I, along with so many others, would hope to see Old Trooper’s future comments… whenever he feels like visiting.
To the original post material, if it’s a vote, count mine on the “incompetent” side. Obama’s one consistency is he’s been on the wrong side of three “pro democracy” movements. First Iran and the election, then Honduras, and now Egypt. But I don’t think that’s for a nefarious caliphate agenda, but rather part of the complete inadequacy of this POTUS and his diplomatic and intel team.
It’s a fine line to want a Muslim “democracy” in the ME countries because yes, some will vote for a fundamentalist nation which will ultimately destroy life for it’s denizens. But many of them don’t know that, just as many Americans didn’t what what they were voting for when pulling the level for Obama. However I’d wager if the poll questions were restructured to ask Muslims if they wanted their country to be run like Afghanistan, they would say no.
Musharraf and Mubarak had a difficult task… to buck the “despot” and “dictator” handles that the west wants to apply, and yet still make it impossible for radicals to infiltrate and consume their government. To accomplish the latter… i.e. outlawing MB from elections, limiting what powers they could enjoy when running as independents… makes them despots in western view.
I see it as the only way to control the radical elements among them. I was sorry to see Musharraf go, and just as sorry to see Mubarak go…. from the standpoint as an American valuing them as an ally.
I find it amazing that it’s preferable to immediately turn Egypt into a police state. Even more amazing that government workers there are now demanding a pay raise. If there is no Parliament, and no government… and the Constitution was junked the moment they changed succession power… what need is there for a government worker at all? All of the current laws of the land were made by a body politic they shunned, and threw out the window. So of what value are those “laws’?
None… what laws will be enforced and honored will be the choice of the military. Is that what the supposed “pro democracy” movement was after? A police state and mass confusion on what laws should be enforced, and what shouldn’t? If their Constitution is expendable, why is any law created by this heinous and defunct parliament any more valid?
I believe the MB hoped to create the vacuum of opportunity. I think the few that were into a change of governance will find that what they hoped for is not what they will get. All we can do is watch. This POTUS has ostracized us from any potential influence or involvement in Egypt with his choices, and actions, since taking office.
So now it’s up to the Egyptians to fight their own battles. For now the military says it will honor treaties, including those with Israel. Whether that remains true after they build a new government and Parliament of elected officials is anyone’s guess.
But thanks to deplorable judgment by this bozo in the WH, the US and Israel can only sit back and wait to see what transpires… and batten down for the worst.
I see what obama did in Honduras to be more sinister than mere incompetance. They knew what was going on and why, yet they tried to undermine efforts to adhere to their Constitution.
Short of wanting Honduras to go far left, I cannot see any other reason why.
@Hard Right:
The internal inconsistencies Obama must carry in his head are staggering.
It is easier to simply believe him when he said he could sit in front of Rev. Wright spewing racist hate for 20 years while never even noticing.
Maybe Obama just thinks about basketball all of the time.
Anyway, key to Obama’s butting into the Honduras situation was he false statement that ”it was a military coup.”
BUT, in Egypt we really did see a military coup!
And Obama is ALL FOR IT!
Does he know whether the military will really allow elections in six months?
No, of course not.
Only time will tell.
But there was NO legal right for the Egyptian military to do what it did!
With the Honduras situation, the supreme court ordered everything that took place.
(Remember, then-president Zelaya was working with Fidel Castro to ignore Honduras’ Constitution and rule as a dictator. Obama tried to impose Castro’s plan by cutting off aid to poor Honduras unless it complied!)
@Hard Right, I’d say it was sinister, if you classify stupidity as sinister. Neither Obama, or his SOS, really delved into the Constitutional realities of exiling a wannabe despot. They just viewed it, erroneously, as looking like a military that employed militant revolution by throwing the bum out.
You say that short of wanting Honduras to go left, you don’t see another reason? Again, I have to suggest that it’s pure stupidity and ignorance by one who isn’t qualified to run this country, let alone make judgments on another country’s events.
This admin tends to want to side with media perception instead of political realities that are unpopular. i.e., if the media portrays revolting Egyptians as “pro democracy”, the provide the lip service to match that… even when it means kicking an ally in the butt.
If the perception in Honduras is that it’s a “military coup”, a term used by Hillary and Obama themselves, then they must appear to be against “military coups”…. except in Egypt, I guess. LOL
In Iran, they gave all the right lip service to the protestors of the election… but nothing more than lip service. That is their largest downfall there. The “just words” were almost correct, but inadequate in action backing up the “just words”…. because this administration is incompetent.
Personally I think many of you give Obama too much credit when you think he’s capable of masterminding all you suggest. The guy never makes decisions for himself, and is just the spokesperson of those he surrounds himself with. Others ran his campaigns, groomed him, created the image, and others write his words.
This guy can’t even see the campaign road right before him without advice. Yet you think he’s capable of strategy to install a caliphate?
Nope.. he’s like many politicians these days. Simply just the mouthpiece front man, groomed by those around him to achieve or keep power. He’s not capable of planning a dinner menu for the family, let along strategizing an Islamic takeover of the world.
But I’m equally sure he appreciates the vote of confidence from you all about his abilities to redefine the world as we know it.
We are, sorta, on the same page on this, Nan G.
I was typing the same thing in my comment #71 above about Honduras and the “military coup” bit. However Obama wasn’t involved or supporting of a military coup in Egypt. That was actually decided by Mubarak, the VP and the military heads of state. Totally beyond Obama’s scope.
And yes, the succession power to the military, instead of the veep or speaker of parliament, already rendered their Constitution usurped. So the formal trashing of it days later was just for show. Fact is, Mubarak and his veep were part of Egypt becoming a police state. Therefore Obama cannot object when it was the choice of the exiting head of state.
As you say, the internal inconsistencies of Obama are staggering. Yet on the other hand, most of you seem to believe this is a brillant person, capable of masterminding plots to destroy the US, and turn the world into an Islamic caliphate.
He’s either blessed with a brilliance you all prefer to ignore when you suggest he’s doing that… or you fail to recognize he’s an incompetent idiot, surrounded by idiots who tell him what to do and what to say.
Count me in the category of the latter. This guy couldn’t strategize his way out of a card game of “Fish” with a 2nd grader without the help of a huge staff of advisors.
@MataHarley:
Here I disagree with you:
I don’t think it takes ”brilliance,” on Obama’s part.
I think it takes a mindset that Obama has as leaning toward Obama’s most fervent supporters, Wright, Ayres and Soros.
I think the falling apart of the world will happen, even without Obama, if the USA does not actively work against it.
And Obama is NOT often acting against it at all.
He, like the Saudi’s when they order 200 lashes for a 75-year-old widow, can be shamed into doing the right thing, sometimes.
But it is an uphill battle.
Nan G, even in your own “I don’t think it takes brilliance” argument, you give him undue credit. Ideology may be a part of Obama, however implementing that ideology in some sort of master plan… globally or domestically… would indeed take a brilliance this POTUS does not possess.
It really is as simple as Obama being a manipulated simpleton, who surrounded himself with other simpletons. When you put idiots in charge, you generally end up with chaos. Planned? Not usually likely. Just part and parcel of what happens when you put inexperienced people in charge.
@MataHarley:
Mata, when it comes to Iran and Egypt I do agree it’s massive incompetence. I see what they did in Honduras as something else, tho.
They tried vey hard to keep a man in power who violated their constitution and was nothing more than a stooge of Chavez. They made it a point to intervene on the side of the left.
As far as Iran, I think he avoided coming out strongly in favor of the protestors because he was trying to make nice with the Iranian regime. I’m guessing he thought that not coming out strongly in favor of the protestors would help achieve “detente”. Iran saw the weak support as proof they could crush the protest without consequences. They were right.
Egypt? Well, they didn’t see it coming. They didn’t and still don’t know what to do.
Nan, obama DID hear some of what th Rev. Wright said or at least knew of it. Remember, obama told us he had said to wright that he could get a littls “rough” in his sermons. Even if obama went once every other month, after 20 years that’s a lot of hate he sat in on.
@Ivan: I’d have pulled the ejection handle on you already, Ivan. You cost us big.
@Old Trooper 2:
No. Just…No. Old Trooper 2, you are one of the voices that drew me to Flopping Aces in the first place, and keep me coming back. I can’t begin to tell you how much your wisdom and sensibility mean to me.
While I certainly understand the desire to retreat, and the sense of “I’ve given it my all, now let me have some peace,” I ask you to consider a hiatus rather than a retirement.
As a woman who is both married and fiercely independent, one who has raised strong sons and daughters, a woman who is highly educated, professionally skilled and also pretty darned good at homemaking (you haven’t lived ’til you’ve tasted my strawberry rhubarb jam), I find Ivan’s asinine comments to be nothing more than a pathetic bid for attention. He received far more of that than his ignorant, inflammatory words warranted.
The topic of Dr.John’s initial entry was whether Obama is a fool, or a facilitator. I am inclined to believe he is a bit of both. His actions indicate someone who favors the Muslim world (to the extent of literally bowing to its leaders). On the other hand, everything he has done in office smacks of someone with idealism and little–if any–real knowledge. In fact, just about any aspect of the Presidency apart from speaking from a teleprompter seems to be beyond him. According to Oprah, he’s in a “learning curve.” Yeah, right, sure. We’re the ones learning what it means to elect someone who is all image, no substance.
I’d rather OT2 stayed as well. Heck, if the mods asked if I would leave to keep him here, the door wouldn’t hit me in the butt I’d be gone so fast. Now don’t take that to mean I want to leave. It’s just that is how highly I think of OT.
As for obama, I think he has a seriousy distorted view of extremist muslims and leftists. He views them at rational people that can be talked with. He thinks he can win their favor by sucking up to them. He’s dead wrong.
You won’t find me disagreeing with one word in this, Nan G. Save I might say that Obama is not only *not* acting against it, he’s clueless to it happening around him… as well as his admin.
Thus the charges of incompetence vs some subversion plot well beyond the scope of his, or his cronies, abilities.
HR, let’s bring this down to the playing field… or would that be B-Ball court… where Obama lives. There was never anything the US could really “do” in Honduras. They could only project a national stance for image purposes.
Since the media reported it was a “military coup”, which sounds simply awful in a generic way, the admin… including Hillary (who should know better)… simply took the media favorable way out.
The Obama admin was impotent in the Honduras incident. They chose not to educate the public INRE the country’s Constitutional avenues, and go with the flow of emotions.
This isn’t leftist in leaning. It’s a politically opportune image decision, made by the Obama advisors. As I said, this is all about keeping power… not really doing anything to destroy.. or save… the world.
Dr. John said:
So you’d ban me for doing what exactly? Offering a dissenting opinion on the Caliphate? Or taking OT to task for insinuating I’m a Nazi?
Which one is it? Those are your two choices.
Here, this is how I see it:
DJ:”Hey Curt, go and ban Ivan as he chased OT away.”
Curt: “How did he do that?”
DJ: “Well, OT insinuated Ivan was a fan of Adolph Hitler so Ivan stood up for himself and let OT know it was wrong to libel him in that way.”
Curt: “Yeah man, what a prick that guy Ivan is to take offense at being linked to Adolph Hitler”.
Blah, blah, blah.
Sorry, OT knew he stepped over the line and did the honorable thing.
Just let it be known, if I’m banned for offering a different opinion on the Caliphate or for sticking up for myself when called a Nazi, what does that say for the lifespan of the truth here at FA?
Let’s get one thing straight. The eunuch Ivan is *not* the reason OT2 posted his farewells. That any of you might even consider that is, IMHO, the largest insult you could ever pay to OT2, He’s been up against far more heinous enemies than a castrated, frustrated Neaderthal male, posting a pile of manure on FA.
Shame on you for giving Ivan any credit where none is deserved… and that he happily laps that vomit up like the four legged canine he is.
As to you, Ivan. You are the essence of chutzpah to say “OT knew he stepped over the line and did the honorable thing”. First of all, OT has his own concept of what stepped over the line, and if you had the slightest reading comprehensive abilities, plus a history of OT2 here on FA, you’d recognize your statement was embarrassingly self serving.
OTs frustration has nothing to do with you, personally. You are but a gnat on the exterior window in OT’s world. Nor would OT2 ever, in any course of engagement, find you an adversary that requires retreat…. nay, one that requires even untying his hands. At best, you might be the last straw on the camel’s back.
So let’s address Ivan’s self-centered statement:
Well, if you had left the comfortable domain of your own little, self-focused teensy world, you’d find that both OT2 and I have offered similar opinions that also say Obama is not advocating a caliphate.
duh, bozo
And that’s because he’s too stupid to strategize such a plot. Or in the case of OT, who has far more intimate contact with those near to the CiC, he prefers to believe it’s less subterfuge than it is incompetence. That, coming from the unedited OT, should be a real heads up for many of you.
Which then begs the question, Ivan the eunuch… just what of your own conversation with OT2 did you comprehend at all?
It also might demand a bit of self scrutiny on every one else’s interpretation for the loss of a voice we all treasure here. Let me ask you all this… without you having some sort of knee jerk, emotional reaction to my question… if that’s possible.
Exactly how far are you all willing to go to find a way to blame any, and everything, on Obama and his admin? Events or results that may not be of his making, and are just a byproduct of his and his admin’s stupidity? Are you willing to rah rah every “obama did this, obama did that” headline, despite facts, just because it suits your bottom line feelings?
I have said it before here, and I will say it again. Not everything is a “conspiracy”. Obama is an idiot. That doesn’t mean he’s some Muslim Brothers subversive operative.
And the more most conservatives tend to believe that he is – or splash attention getting headlines that suggest he is – the more you will alienate the rest of us that think he’s dumber than dirt, ill-equipped to be POTUS. , and needs to be shown the door out of the WH. Do any of you wonder where dividing lines of analysis lie?
As OT2 said in comment #2:
Just how far will we, collectively, go to discredit an elected official that we all agree that is incompetent? I’ve gotten into personal battles here with Dr. J on sensationalism vs reasonable and factual commentary. I believe there is ample evidence to dump this POTUS after one term – *all* without the sensationalist commentary and speculative accusations.
On the other hand, me… a confirmed Constitutional conservative… often feels downright “moderate” here of late when listening to some of the rest of you. I’m not a conspiracist. I don’t need “birther” arguments to convince me we have the wrong POTUS, and I don’t see that as a political way out. In fact, I’m just as convinced that to pursue that avenue to get rid of him will only keep him around longer.
No, I don’t believe Obama is a closet Muslim, jihadist plant.
What I do believe is that he’s the quintessential political opportunist without a brain cell in operation. He’s the dummy to his ventroloquist handlers. They know how to aggrevate and motivate their base with Alinksy tactics. Other than that, he and his merry band are too stupid to micromanage the fall of global society at large. And the faster we stop playing the headlines that he is, the more credibility as “opposition” in this nation we will have.
And if that means I follow OT2 out the door, well… I’ll find myself in good company during the exit process.
@Ivan:
Hey Ivan…your most recent scribbling doesn’t contain answers to the questions I’ve been asking of you:
@MataHarley:
I wouldn’t say they were impotent to do anything. They pushed to keep Zelaya in power and were even willing to cut off all aid (IIRC they did that at one point). Honduras is desperately poor and that move forced them to cave…somewhat. He got to finish his term and obama left with a loss for his efforts.
Ivan you don’t have a clue as to what honorable is. The only one who crossed the line is you Ivan, the douchebag.
@Ivan: Curt doesn’t take any orders from me. He is far more tolerant than I. I find both your manners and philosophies wanting.
Now Obama wants cable companies to carry Al Jazeera. More incompetence?
OT was right. This could have been written by Hitler, aside from the laughable irony. Can you show us where in the Constitution the “duties” of women are located?
And have you answered Aye’s questions yet?
Here:
Check out Lot #156
Ther is also a reminder of honor and duty for the fatherland and the hope for victory in the coming year, 1941. Heil Hitler!
I knew I’d heard that somewhere before.
Revelation… cable/satellite has been carrying al Jazeera station for years, drj. To my personal knowledge, since 2005… before Obama even was sworn in to Congress.
Do you really believe that Barack Obama is an idiot? Do you really believe that an idiot, no matter how well his strings are pulled can get elected President? Can an idiot really blow through Columbia and Harvard Law? Do you really believe that he is no more than the ultimate conflation of the Peter Principle and affirmative action?
@MataHarley: Not mine. But if so, then why request it?
drj, Mickey Mouse can get elected in this country with the right image promotion, right speech writer, enough staging and fireworks, and trick advertising slogans… and financial backing. Dumb question… we watched it happen in 2008 with a guy with no experience, questionable background, and *still* got elected.
I was watching al jazeera back in 2005. (as Nan G also notes on another thread…) Since then, the station may have been dropped and picked up, by different cable companies. Back then they were not broadcasting in English. Since then they have English correspondents and websites. I read al Jazeera regularly myself.
Let me get this straight… you now want to blame or credit Obama with cable line up?
Puleeez… give me a break. The cable franchises decide that on their own. And it will be a decision made on demand, not a POTUS wish list.
The point is not who can get it done. The point is that Obama wants it to ubiquitous.
Obama directs NASA to become a Muslim outreach center.
No more Global War on Terror
No more “Radical Islam”
No more “Islamic extremism”
The Muslim Brotherhood is “secular”
That’s nice Mata. Another ginormously condescending remark. We don’t have the God-sent insight that you do (nor perhaps the personal emails) and we believed we saw a connection between the conflict and the departure. If we’re wrong, we’re wrong, but we could do without the theatrics. Thanks for letting us know how abysmally stupid we are for caring and how much we insulted OT2 in the process.
Oh puleeeze, drj. Spare me your theatrics. After all this time and knowing OT… you think someone as pathetic as Ivan would cause him to throw his hands up in defeat?
If you feel you have no insight, t’aint my fault. OT has always been unedited. If you never saw it, just isn’t my fault.
But don’t assume the victim mantle of “.. how abysmally stupid we are for caring” in what you feel needs to be some self defense you need to mount. My comments were not directed at you personally, but at a general trend the commentary by conservatives has become. If you want to bear that mantle yourself… have at it. But don’t gather everyone else here as your personal shield.
What on earth are you speaking of, HR? Zelaya was ousted, Micheletti remained as acting President until Porfirio Lobo Sosa was elected and installed into office within the next six months. Zelaya and his family returned under cover of darkness and hid out in the Brazilian embassy until he was voluntarily exiled to the Domincan Republic in Jan 2010. Where they are today.
The “agreement” to allow him to serve the last three months in his terms came with conditions that Zelaya would not accept, and he, himself, declared that agreement dead. He never served shit after the Constitutional ouster…
My fault Mata. I had believed he had served the last few months of his term.
Short version-obama and co. came down on the side of a wannabe dictator and his far left dictatorial allies. It was extremely clear cut what happened in Honduras was not a coup. Obama and co. didn’t care., tho.
In Iran he backed the regime for the most part. He also roots for the wrong people in Egypt. Yes he’s incompetent, but the more I look at it the more I see a pattern. It’s not one where I think he wants the caliphate to win, but it is the typical LIBERAL pattern. It’s where liberals reflexively try to appease the aggressor/criminal while throwing the victim into the shredder. You could easily argue it’s a type of incompetence or even delusion. But deliberately trying to help terrorists? Nope.
As for OT, allow me to clarify something. I didn’t think Ivan ran him off. I did think he was the final straw in whatever he was dealing with. It also doesn’t help that I don’t like Ivan. Like I said, I would gladly leave the site myself if it would keep OT here. Heck, I’d do the same for you Mata.
No problem, HR. It was a story that fell off the map, so perhaps the attempted agreement to allow him to serve out the term, with conditions, was the last you heard.
I’m with you INRE Old Trooper, HR. That man has been ready to take bullets for us, and has. To allow him to take our places on a forum is small peanuts in return… but both of us would do it without hesitation. However I refuse to allow Ivan to gloat in some self perceived machoism…. as if anything that dribbles from his lips could move a force like OT.
And yes… another agreement. Obama has a pattern of ineptitude, but it is not a deliberate attempt to help terrorists.
@Hard Right:
That was my thinking, that Ivan was a last straw. But hey, if it makes someone else happy to bitchslap me for expressing my concern, by all means, carry on! I’m a big girl, I can take it.
Ah, the internet, it’s a wonderful place…
@MataHarley: Mata, maybe I haven’t been here long enough to OT’s motivations. I was here long enough to have a great respect for him. I don’t think for a second Ivan was the totality of the reason for his departure but I also have seen what straws can do.
@MataHarley:
What a horrible day at FA, my heart is heavy, the very best to you and OT, just hope you decide to stick with us….as you can see you are both highly regarded.
Knowing your days outside of this blog would probably put the average person in the nut house, I still want you all to be here, this includes our other authors and Curt out there in his pressure cooker. You are all racking up many man hours, judging from what you do here, your performance in your careers has to be outstanding. Thank you all for adding your time here to your heavy load.
Now, Obama. There’s a reason we have called him that word for years, manchild predates the presidency. He’s a Chicago creation, in everything he has done he was nothing but a seat warmer, he was told what to do and later became a product that was successfully marketed by the Chicago machine with the help of well known nationwide leftist groups. Catch him off script or without the teleprompter he screws up, flails and stutters. Valerie Jarrett, “other half of his brain” is the acting president, find out who she takes orders from and you will find out who’s really in control.
His Columbia activities were brought to light in “Radical-in-Chief”, it exposes the extreme leftist groups he immediately gravitated to, same groups that are active in his life to this day, he’s a socialist. He used them, they used him, Reverand Wright’s church was his launch site, don’t know who sent him there from Columbia, it’s believed to be Bill Ayres. “Just a guy in my neighborhood” Ayres was in his life long before the living room event. So much was exposed by small Chicago papers and Illinois blogs prior to the election, no one wanted to hear it.
Emil Jones, Illinois State Senate President set him up to run for the US Senate. He took bills away from senators that actually sponsored and worked for years on them and gave them to Obama to create his resume, this was the start of the big gamble, next was his speech at the 2004 Dem convention.
Speaking of an Obama resume, here we go, this blog was written by someone that…..worked with and…liked Obama. Other co-workers also chimed in in the comment section, very interesting and oh-so Obama:
http://www.analyzethis.net/2005/07/09/barack-obama-embellishes-his-resume/
Born Alive Infant Protection Act. Every vote he cast on that bill in Illinois was under advisement of a major campaign contributer…. Illinois Planned Parenthood, he was told how to vote. Illinois newspapers then covered up his BAIPA voting record and his actions to kill the bill while he chaired the committee in 2003. This was all covered up during his 2004 Senate run and his campaign for president.
http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/Obamacoveruponbornalive.htm
There’s much more to his sorry pre presidential life but if you are going to accuse him of building a global caliphate, you are going to have to add a ton of other people to the plot. He owes too many people, they were successful in getting him to the OO, but then that foreign policy stuff just mucked up their socialist agenda along the way. Now they are failing and flailing but still are very much in control of the little guy’s ears.
OLD TROOPER 2, his a HEROS of more than this generation and, YVAN has push his stupid comments,
too much, to think that women should stay home and make babys is an incomplete way to think and very stupid, there is many women working to help their children grow with all the benefits to become top citizens who are working on keeping this country the most free of the world,and they have children at home waiting, but don’t be worry, those children are in the best of hands and not wearing scarfs,
yvan showed how limited he is and when OT gave him a remark to make him stop and think more,
YVAN switch to retaliate, and that is not why Ot left like MATA mentioned, and she is right on,
no connection at all, he just pick himself his own time to leave ,in a dignified way he always show in his WISES comments, those trolls like YVAN are too cheap elements to take any benefits for another’s action,