You just have to love how the MSM is walking in lockstep with the Democrats on this “civility” issue. It seems when the Republican message starts to gather steam and the country begins tilting right, all of sudden….we’re meanies. What these calls for civility are is the left telling Conservatives to sit down and shut up. And the MSM is doing their bidding. Case in point, Time Magazine conducting a forum about civility in politics….and who did they invite?
Mr. Markos “I feel nothing over the death of mercenaries” Moulitsas:
..we now have a side that is gun-obsessed, whipping people up into a frenzy with lies about Obama taking their guns away and interning conservatives in FEMA concentration camps (to name just two conspiracy theories).
When Sarah Palin tells her followers not to retreat, but to “reload,” when Sharron Angle says people should resort to “Second Amendment remedies” if they don’t get their way at the ballot box, and when Glenn Beck spreads the latest insane conspiracy theory, well then, it’s only a matter of time before people start getting killed.
Hypocrites one and all.
Andrew Klaven described this tactic in a video made in April 2009:
I guess we are just supposed to forget and ignore the non-stop hatefest from the left during the Bush years. Hell, they even made a movie about his assassination while he was President. Did they screech about civility when Montell Williams urged Michelle Bachmann to slit her wrists? Or when Chris Matthews had a fantasy about Rush’s head exploding? Or when Sandra Bernhard warned Palin she would be “gang-raped by my big black brothers”? Or how about when they used bullseye on their own political targets?
Were there calls for “civility” then?
Nope.
But now, after the midterm trouncing the Democrats received….NOW, there should be some civility in politics.
Please.
However, Mickey Kaus believes this may not be the silver bullet the left believes it to be.
…If the current frenzy for “civility” means Republicans have to take the sharp edges off their Tea Partyish rhetoric, will that really help Democrats? Democrats may think so. Byron York speculates that they’re quietly congratulating Obama for raising the civility issue in his Tucson address even as he denied that incivility had anything to do with the shooting—a strategy Obamaphile Jon Alter had advocated before the speech. Boy did it make Palin look bad! What’s more, just when the number of GOP representatives is about to dwarf the number of Democrats who’ll be listening to the State of the Union address, there’s MSM momentum behind the idea that the parties should sit in an interspersed jumble so viewers won’t be able to tell. Brilliant! Republicans are in a position to be mean to Democrats, and there’s suddenly a campaign against meanness. What a happy coincidence!
But, like many seemingly clever, intuitive MSM/Dem strategies—”Let’s nominate a Vietnam war hero to run against President Bush!”—this one may prove to be a dud, or worse. There’s a reason, after all, why the White House has consistently attacked and therefore elevated relatively intemperate Republican figures such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck—making them the public faces of the GOP. The reason is that wild Beckish rhetoric turns off independent and moderate voters. For the same reason, the White House has always seemed to kind of like having the Birthers around. They’re a great foil.
Why would Republican politicians ever fall into this “too hot” trap? Because hot rhetoric gins up their base. But now that they’ve won the House in an off year election, GOP pols don’t need to please the base so much. They need the middle. They need swing congressmen to vote for their bills and they need supportive poll numbers to encourage those congressmen to do so. If a “civility” crusade succeeds in getting the most volatile Republicans to cool it and stop irritating the center, it won’t be doing Obama’s work for him. It will be doing John Boehner’s work for him.
You could easily see a rhetorically modulated GOP achieving much more in the way of health care reform rollback, Social Security cuts, immigration enforcement, and educational choice than a GOP that insists Obama is a liar, a socialist, and unAmerican, that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, that illegal immigrants are mostly gang-bangers, etc. There’s a reason the slicker Tea Partiers (Ron Johnson,, Rand Paul) won in 2010 while the jagged ones (Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell) lost. It’s not because Rand Paul is moderate in substance.
Kaus also notes that this sudden political civility may help Obama look better and give Boehner some legislative victories:
The result: Obama winds up signing new laws that are more conservative than he might like, just as he wound up signing a lame duck bill that preserved the Bush tax cuts. As with the lame duck tax bill, these concessions to Boehner (and Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell) are likely to boost the president’s poll numbers while leaving Nancy Pelosi and the relatively liberal Congressional Democratic caucus seething.
Kaus made some excellent points. This may come back and bite them in the ass for awhile. But, if these victories do pile up, as he predicts, how long until the left’s call for civility goes by the wayside and we see their bloodlust fantasies see the light of day again?
Of course the MSM will be strangely quiet on the subject by then so no one will care.
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From “American Thinker”…
January 17, 2011
Tucson and Zhivago
Bogie
A powerful scene from Dr. Zhivago, the Academy Award-winning movie based on Boris Pasternak’s novel of the Russian Revolution, provides insight into the libel of conservatives following the Tucson killings and why the libeling will not stop. Zhivago, a doctor and poet, flees with his family from Moscow to his in-laws’ estate in the Ural Mountains after Soviet censors denounce his poems, putting the clan in mortal danger of condemnation as “enemies of the people.” The family arrives to find the estate boarded up and a poster on the door declaring the property confiscated in the name of “the people.” Outraged, Zhivago’s father-in-law Professor Gromeko utters one of the film’s classic lines, “I am one of the people too!”
We empathize with Gromeko because, throughout the movie, a ubiquitous commissariat brutalizes, ruins and kills anyone they label an “enemy of the people.” Commissars seize Zhivago’s house in Moscow. They order summary executions. Their secret police hunt the wealthy, business and farm owners, intellectuals and other enemy classes. Petty apparatchiks force their way into every aspect of their neighbors’ lives. There is no escape from the misery sown by communism in the name of the people. In the end, even the fanatical Bolshevik revolutionary, Commissar Strelnikov, falls from the Party’s favor and commits suicide on the way to his execution. Yet another enemy of the people.
We see in Dr. Zhivago an important parallel to American politics today. By using the Tucson murders to attack conservative “incivility,” the left is essentially calling their opponents out as enemies of the people. Uncivil conduct is by definition not conducive to civic harmony and welfare. The uncivil are literally not civilized, and thus, barbarous. In other words, as threats to the common good, they are enemies of the people. From there it’s a short step to using defamation, career destruction, net neutrality, the Fairness Doctrine or any other means to silence and sideline the enemy. Such is the audacity of power-hungry leftists who euphemize a demand for political suppression as a call for civility.
We have seen this movie before. Today’s incivility gambit expands the left’s shopworn tactic of charging conservatives with racism and discrimination against various minorities i.e., making them enemies of certain classes of people. Post-Tucson, they simply began tarring the right as enemies of all the people. Pasternak shows that, once begun, such witch hunts gain a grim momentum that feeds on itself. In the American context, with the onset of an epic policy struggle between the branches of government and a presidential election, the libeling of the right will surely continue. Progressives and their media supporters will be further motivated by a desperate need to dictate the terms of a debate they cannot win on their agenda or their record. After their midterm debacle, keeping conservatives on the defensive is an existential imperative.
As the specter of leftist libel looms over America, we should add the verb “Zhivago” to our political lexicon. To Zhivago an individual or group is to attempt to suppress them politically by leveling charges of incivility, discrimination or other conduct that casts them as enemies of the people. The term provides useful shorthand for debating current events. We see Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh and the Tea Party being Zhivagoed. Doctors, bankers, insurance companies and the oil industry have been Zhivagoed. So have been the Chamber of Commerce, the State of Arizona and the Supreme Court. Americans with an affinity for Bibles and guns were Zhivagoed. Parents have so far escaped the full Zhivago, but they are under suspicion as not trustworthy of feeding America’s children (dare we call this a food libel?). Wherever we turn, the Zhivago narrative is hard to escape.
Dr. Zhivago is a warning of the clear and ever-present danger of political actors who style themselves as defenders of the people. To fully appreciate the danger, watch the movie or, better yet, read the novel (since Hollywood played to type and softened Pasternak’s critique of communism). Then cue the elegiac strains of “Lara’s Theme” and watch America’s commissariat at work — on behalf of the people, of course.
Bogie is the nom de plume of a New York-based writer
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“But, if these victories do pile up, as he predicts, how long until the left’s call for civility goes by the wayside and we see their bloodlust fantasies see the light of day again?”….I give the bastards about 2 weeks at the outside
Leninist, Stalinist Russia would have been defeated by the White Russians if it was not for Trotsky and Tukhachevsky. Both were executed by Stalin during the purges of the late 30’s. The purges nearly lost WW2 for the Soviets. Remember, that 60 to 70% of the Axis effort was spent in Russia. Estimates of up to 30 million Russian dead.
Zhivago is milquetoast to really what when on. Wonderful movie, terrible history.
Great article, Curt. Klavan is a gem, I love his wit and dry humor – not to mention his almost always spot on commentary.
I read somewhere that the right plans for next week and the left plans for next year – or something like that. It seems to be true and I think that is because when your default position is lies and dissembling, then you are by definition conniving and scheming all the time.
The dems began with the “cooperation” meme right after the election, now they use this tragedy for “civility”….their history proves they do not cooperate and they aren’t civil. They think the “American people” are stupid, not capable of remembering the nasty antics, manipulation of rules and bullying by their leadership .
“I won” promised to bring a “new tone” to DC, when did that start? Now that they’ve lost the House they want that “new tone” Obama didn’t deliver on, largely because of their . They whine and expect the new House leadership to hold to the promise they so miserably failed to keep
I hope Mickey Kaus is right but, if they don’t flap their yaps they will explode, so doubtful they will get too far with the “new tone” or civility they are “strategically” clamoring for.
It seems to me that no one is asking cons to “shut up”; but to just speak APPROPRIATELY and be mindful of the effects of the violent imagery that you cons seem to delight in using.
But this is the funny part — when asked to be civil, you cons feel so constrained that you THINK you are being silenced . . . as if violent imagery, carrying guns to political rallies and apocalyptic language are an essential part of what you are doing. You mean you MUST, as Skookum does, claim that Obama is trying to start a “race war”? You MUST claim that the president is creating concentration camps? You MUST have the freedom to say “We should make Michelle Obama a widow”? These are essential to the con message?
Then what the hell are you cons actually trying to accomplish?
Personally, I don’t want you cons to be “silenced”: better for the world to hear your nonsense and act accordingly, I think, sunlight being the best disinfectant. But, personally, there is a side of me that hopes you all continue to claim Obama is a Marxist/Communists, that all the liberals are evil, that Obama hates Israel, that Obama is trying to destroy America and start a race war; and we need to be armed to the teeth against the government, and he is surrounded by a scary cabal of Socialists/Communists/Nazis. And I most DEFINITELY want Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Sarah Palin to continue their role as your lead spokespersons, the very face of the GOP. Because I think you only marginalize the GOP when your message is as such.
But you know what gives me pause, even though I think you only hurt the GOP with the violent apocalyptic language and the gun play? The marginal minds out there who might be influenced by your language . . .like the guy who was traveling to shoot up The Tides Foundation because Glenn beck has convinced him it is a secret conspiracy to destroy America; or the Hutari Militia, which wanted to conduct terrorist acts against police officers; or the Turnidges, who killed two officers in a bombing while trying to advance their anti-government crusade; or Richard Poplawski, who shot and killed Pittsburgh police officers because he thought they were sent by Obama to get his guns; or the guy who brings a gun to a political rally and gets worked up and decides to “take some action.” Apocalyptic rhetoric always has, and still does, move crazy people to believe and do crazy things . . . and that is what I feel if your cons don’t CHILL OUT and calm down and lower the volume and lower the heat.
From this point forward, though, I think we will see less of the violent vitriol from the right, and less vandalism, too. Why? Because the silent majority that heard the b.s. and tuned it out will start to take cons to task for it after Tucson. And I think the cons will moderate their own language, lest they face the wrath of voters for not doing so.
No Cons here…just a bunch of Anarchists.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289952/G20-summit-protests-turn-violent-500-demonstrators-arrested.html Toronto Pic’s
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/27/g20-toronto-protest-riot Toronto
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/01/g20-summit-protests London
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/24/g20-protesters-ordered-to_n_298675.html Pittsburgh
http://www.vancouverite.com/2010/06/29/black-bloc-terrorists-came-armed-with-guns-arrows-during-g20-riots-blair/ Weapons seized
http://www.indymedia.org.nz/article/77382/g20-riot-trial-begins-anarchist-melbourn Melbourne
1999 Seattle, WTO
@B-Rob:
Hmmm, one of the few times brob has come in here without a tea bag falling out of his mouth, oh the irony and this time he thinks he’s the dude to lecture the “cons” on civility.
Hey brob, found a more fitting spot for you, after reading through the comment section I concluded that you would be most comfortable at:
http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/01/17/loughners-conspiracy-fueled-rampage-has-origins-on-the-fringe-right/
Clean up your own back yard.
DEMOCRAT /LEFT – POLITICALLY-LINKED VIOLENCE:
@Missy:
Nah, Missy, I’ll stay here. You cons need to hear counter-arguments and get called on your b.s., lest you get the idea that your crackpot theories are sound.
By the way, Missy: wondering why you did not respond to what I wrote, which is about the GOPer cons love of violent imagery? You know . . . bringing guns to political rallies, shooting at targets with politician’s names or faces on them, the vandalism and death threats over HEALTH CARE REFORM LEGISLATION (irony, there). By asking you cons not to do these things, all of a sudden the cons are victims again, whining about being “silenced.”
There are alternatives, of course: you cons can pipe down on the violence talk; or continue at the same level; or ratchet it up. Seems to me that, to the extent you all think you did nothing wrong, you should either continue the same course, or ratchet up. Encourage people to bring guns to rallies; continue with the Nazi talk and the conspiracy theories about FEMA concentration camp; continue shouting about scary people like George Soros and Cass Sunstein; continue swearing to God that Obamacare is forced euthanasia. If what you are doing works for y’all, have at it! My estimation: cons will chill out. Because, for all the con whining and the defensiveness; and the con obsession over people drawing a link between the teabaggers, the nuttiness of their rallies, the gun toting and the threats of violence; and the shooting, I am willing to bet that, quiet as it’s kept, cons, too, thought things were getting out of hand.
Finally, spare me the false equivalence between the excoriation of Obama and the libs versus the “Bush-Hitler” rhetoric years ago. There are three big differences: first, the 300% increase in death threats against Obama; second, the open gun toting at political rallies by cons; and, three, the actual acts of political violence that have occurred during the last three years (outlined above). No one ever expected lefties to show up at anti-Bush rallies carrying guns. For wingnuts, though, there is a 100% chance that someone at an anti-Obama rally will be packing heat. THAT, my friends, along with an attempted assassination of a Dem member of Congress, the vandalism aimed at elected officials, the hecklers’ vetoes at town hall meetings, and the death threats — make today a time quite different from the far less violent events occurring during the Bush administration.
@Wordsmith:
Care to weigh in on what is happening RIGHT NOW, instead of producing a laundry list dating back 150 years? I notice you have NEVER addressed the guns at political rallies issue, the death threats aimed at Dems, the vandalism, etc.
But my big question: do you think cons should continue the same course you have been on the last two years? Do you think there is any need to re-examine what you cons are saying and doing in opposition to “the Obama agenda”? Seems you cons keep ducking that question, in favor of doing the old third grade “But liberals did it, too!”
I don’t remember which book it was, but Ann Coulter wrote a book after seeing the Left trot out what they thought were ”untouchable” foes of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The two who come to mind are Max Cleland, (sp?) a triple amputee from another war, and ”Mother” Sheehan, whose son had died in the MiddleEast fighting.
I well remember the Left expecting their ”debate points” to all go unasnswerable simply because one of these two were presenting them.
As a side point, I don’t think either Cleland or Sheehan was particularly inflammatory, just set out their views against the war on terror.
BUT the chilling thing was the Left in both politics and media trying to insist that no opposition to their views was allowable….simply because of their victimhood status.
I’m glad they (the Left) lost that little debate.
They are losing this one, also.
Next comes the regulatory takeover, via ”net neutrality,” I suppose.
I don’t see them giving up.
But they hold the weak hand when it comes to a toe-to-toe debate.
Hence all the shifting the goalposts on what IS debate.
Word #9 I’m surprised at you.Gave you deserved props for your education of the F.A. Islamaphobes,and your rejection of the concept that right or left wing rhetoric inflamed the Arizona shooter; then this list.Do you think I couldn’t post a list of 36 Repub./ rightwing/evangelical acts of violence over the last 250 years? What purpose would it serve other than to fan the flames.C’mon Marine I thought you better than this.
LBJ’s ‘War On Poverty” Dang
Semper Fi
@B-Rob:
Didn’t I? Why should I just repeat yet again what’s been put forth already by others? Missy:
As far as threats and vandalism and any violence, I am opposed…as is Angle, Palin, as are we all- ballots not bullets. Duh!
Nope. Pointing out the hypocrisy on your part and those like-minded on your side of the political aisle.
The rough-and-tumble of political rhetoric is no more heated today nor the last 2 years than they were the previous 8 years to that, nor decades further back. Of course, your indignation only began during AB and not BB.
@rich wheeler:
The list was for B-Rob and his constant shrilling and cartoonish lopsided worldview. I don’t mind playing the partisan game now and again. Don’t mind you calling me out on it, though.
Btw, Curt’s the Marine. I tried 3 times a few years ago and failed to get in (medical and in addition, age when it came to the Marines).
@B-Rob:
You are still raging about nonsense that has been disproven and sourced. Death threats have not gone up for the Obama admin per the FBI’s answer to Eleanor Holmes statement where she gave the same statistics you are trying to pass off. It’s remained the same as it was with the past two presidents.
Guns to rallys. Prior to the rallys, contact was made with local police and Secret Service, they were informed that the group intended to carry. They were provided a detail made up of one SS agent and several police officers that tailed them throughout the events, that source provided photos of the officers and agent trailing them throughout the day.
The rest of your spew is over hyped nonsense, trash. The idea that you should get away with chastizing anyone for speaking to the kill Bush placards, movies, books, blogs….the vile remarks aimed at our troops by sitting Congressmen, on and on, and then attempt to tell us it doesn’t compare is as crazy as you happen to be.
Done with you, now I will continue on with the post I intended:
http://www.conservativeedge.com/Check-out-this-left-wing-hate-speech/
How about a bit of “racist” civility from the left:
http://www.billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=302102&fpart=2
Tip O’Neill hearts Ronald Raegan:
Thanks for those funny/racist/ignorant/anger-filled quotes, Missy.
My favorite?
This one:
“White folks was in caves while we was building empires… We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.” — Rev. Al Sharpton in a 1994 speech at Kean College, NJ
Oh, please!
Said at the height of the ”Cleopatra was a black woman” era of revisionist history.
Totally refuted.
How ignorant can you be?
Well, I bet he got a standing ovation for that gem at that college at that time.
So, the ignorance was catching.
Thankfully, not even modern-day ”black studies” departments tout the lies Sharpton bought into.
Ever hear of “Jahiliyya?”
In some parts of the world it is not called ”Revisionist History” to make up new stuff and pass it off.
It is called Jahiliyya.
And the perpetrators of Jahiliyya are more brutal than any communist such as Pol Pot, Lenin or Stalin in completely wiping out all memory of what was known ”before.”
B-Rob, It’s you who represent the DEMOCRATS and present a rhetoric of racist and offensive words,
to the FA GROUP of CONSERVATIVES who are tolerant enough to let you go on with your attacks that you spit around ,we almost can visualyse you as a mad men and nobody want to join your gang of
whom you protect, they are like you so much like all but only one brain for all the DEMOCRATS,
so that is less than bright and you want our children to listen and learn of your hate for AMERICANS who know their CONSTITUTION and sacrifice their life for your freedom of telling those lies about the CONSERVATIVES, how dare you.
Mickey Kaus makes the same point I did earlier — it would behoove GOPer cons to keep a lid on the more nutty on your side.
My most sincere hope — Obama uses the State of the Union to push the Simpson-Bowles deficit reduction plan and the GOPer cons, realizing that it is good for America, get behind it and get it passed. But what will GOPer cons be tempted to do? Well opposed deficit reduction because Obama proposes it! And turn the reductions in Medicare and Medicaid into “forced euthanasia of the elderly and the poor,” call the effort to limit expenditures to 23% of GDP as “more big government spending,” oppose the reductions in Social Security as “Democrats reneging on the commitment to our seniors,” and restart the whole “death panels” meme.
Yes, these will be interesting times. I am curious to see how the GOPer cons handle responsibility THIS TIME since they so f-ed up the last time they were in charge of the budget.
Word The Corps loss not picking you up. I’m ISSA certified and would love to train primarily Seniors(mature adults) here in O.C. Any advice on or off line would be appreciated. Thanks Richard
Rich, I would like to see your list from the last 50 years.
Eric Fuller or Prince Eric Fuller?
The plot thickens…
“A quick check of court records in Pima County, Arizona, reveals that on November 24, 1997, a man by the name of Prince Eric Fuller legally changed his name to James Eric Fuller. The order was signed by Judge Lina Rodriguez under case number c323363. (View docket here.) From that point, the trail on James Eric Fuller goes cold, but the trail on Prince Eric Fuller picks up.”
“That is, until one examines the underlying conviction: Sodomy in the Third Degree!
So, at the bottom of the pile, we find that the Prince Eric Fuller who fought the payment of costs all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court had pleaded guilty to a sexual offense. The sentence was probationary, work-release type thing so common in the past, and still too common today.”
http://scottystarnes.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/who-is-james-eric-fuller/
http://ww2.cox.com/search/residential/lasvegas/myconnection/2843757925536813145/external.cox
@aceofwands:
Uh huh . . .and this is relevant to WHAT?!
Let me guess: you are a birther, too, aren’t you?
@B-Rob:
It simple indicates the perverse behavior of a typical Liberal bent on violent behavior. Just another example of Liberalism being a mental disorder…as explained in the Dr. Rossitter book…”The Liberal Mind, The Psychological Causes of Political Madness”.
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/09/modern_liberali.php
Now that Eric Fuller has been institutionalized, the psychological community will be able to gather more data to reinforce their observations.
OH! WOW!…thanks for reminding me…the Governor of Hawaii CAN’T find Obama’s birth certificate…NO! SHIT! imagine that.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=252833
This could really work well…now that 37 states are in republican control. If they all pass legislation requiring proof of citizenship to get on the ballot…Obama can’t get the electoral votes he will need to get elected…just not enough to go around…POOR BABY.
@Braindead Rob: You said:
Really? Call US on our “b.s.”???
Like I called you on your bullshit here:
You INCORRECTLY STATED:
Which I proved wrong with an unimpeachable source – the Director of the Secret Service himself –
Yet you STILL persist in telling lies:
And BTW, I notice that even though you said:
You still have yet to answer a few simple questions about Loughner:
You persist in denigrating an entire segment of American citizens by referring to folks in the Tea Party movement as “teabaggers,” a vile, sexual slur for an act between two men. You said you do so because “they” said they wanted to “tea bag”…who? Proof please.
Then you said:
To which I askeed:
So if your side does it, then it is okay? You are comfortable with the plethora of examples of lefties using hateful rhetoric and, as you claim, inciting violence? – Another question you refuse to answer.
And lastly, I asked:
What is your proof that Loughner was motivated by ANYTHING said or done by anyone on the right?
C’mon Braindead, be a man and step up to the plate. Call me on my “b.s.” and answer these questions.
I DARE YOU to answer them HONESTLY and INTELLECTUALLY. Leave that “hateful rhetoric” out of your answers.
Chicken? I mean you, yourself said you are so much smarter than the rest of us.
Prove it…
Antics, Braindead is really nothing mre than a troll. Mata, Aye, and Word have humiliated him time after time yet he keeps coming back and proclaiming victory.
He knows his side is the one that has been spewing hate and calling for violence faaaarrr beyond anything on the right. Notice how he sidesteps the issue? He isn’t interested in debate, just antagonizing. Amusingly enough, he doesn’t even do that well. Geniuses like him don’t understand how they undermine their cause whenever they open their mouths because their egos won’t let them. As a result we get to point and laugh at them.
Yeah I know he doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to openly and honestly debate me. It is beyond him to be intellectually honest. Its just a bit of fun to press him and see him avoid me. Kinda like pulling back the curtain on him, so to speak.
But I did find a pic of Braindead Billy Bob…
@aceofwands:
You are a birther . . . wow . . . I did not think there were any people with an I.Q. above 95 willing to admit to that they are birth- . . .uh, never mind . . . .
Here’s a question: if Obama was not born in the US, then why did the Reagan administration State Department give him a US passport to travel to Pakistan? Don’t answer yet! I have another one . . . .
If Obama was not born in the US, then why did the Nixon administration State Department permit him to come to the US when he was 10? Don’t answer yet! I have another one . . . .
If Obama was not born in the US, then why does his birth certificate list Honolulu, Hawaii as his birthplace? Don’t answer yet! I have another one . . . .
If Obama was not born in the US,then why did not one but two Hawaii newspapers have birth announcements listing his birth at a Hawaii hospital?
You cons and your conspiracy theories are just sad . . . .
@aceofwands:
Ok, let’s follow this:
Guy is shot at a grocery store when a Congresswoman is almost assassinated. Six people are killed in his presence.
Guy is treated at hospital. He attends a town hall less than a week after almost being killed and he threatens a teabagger who is nonchalant about gun violence.
Guy is arrested and hospitalized for psychiatric observation less than a week after almost being killed.
And your response is his threat less than a week after he was nearly killed by an assassin shows “the perverse behavior of a typical Liberal bent on violent behavior. ”
And then you cite World News Daily on the Obama birth certificate thingy . . . and this all makes sense to you . . . . wow . . . not sure what I can say about all that.
Have your doctor look up
ICD-10 — F22.0
@Braindead Rob – he who is too cowardly to answer these questions –
Sounds like a self diagnosis and I applaud you on hitting the nail on the head. This ties up a lot of loose ends and accounts for most of your comments.
Oh, btw your hero – Fuller was on Democracy Now radio saying the following:
Oy vey! You certainly pick wackos to look up to.
You also said:
There you go again. Using your favorite reference to a sexual act between two men. You keep this up and we are all gonna start wondering if you are speaking from experience.
Nonchalant about gun violence? Humphries was being respectful to the victims of the Tucson shooting.
What a weird way you have of looking at things, Scaredy Bob.
Dr. Rossitter has determined people of your ilk to be mentally ill…your recent responses prove his point.
You read nothing presented to you…rather you just spew talking points created by the masters of the Lib’s. Not one free thought of your own…just the same broken record.
Had you read WND you would have discovered they reported on the story from the “Honolulu Star Advertiser”…but being the lazy Lib you are, you skipped right over that little fact. This fact was contained in the second paragraph…didn’t get that far…hey?
“Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility controversy could hurt the president’s chances of re-election in 2012.”
Q: “then why did the Reagan administration State Department give him a US passport to travel to Pakistan?”
A: Getting his passport with a COLB is not that big a deal…especially in 1981 or today for that matter.
Q: If Obama was not born in the US, then why does his birth certificate list Honolulu, Hawaii as his birthplace?
A: What birth certificate do you speak of? The long form has yet to be presented. If you have a copy, post it. Here is what one looks like. These were issued the day after Obama was born.
http://nocompromisemedia.com/2009/07/28/unveiled-hawaiis-1961-long-form-birth-certificates/
Q: If Obama was not born in the US,then why did not one but two Hawaii newspapers
A: GEE!…ya think the mother or grandmother may have applied for a COLB? Seeing the announcement was printed on Aug 13th…NINE days later proves what exactly? Back in 1961 the Department of Health issued COLB’s for out of state births.
“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]”
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif
Because the father was not a citizen and the mother was under age at the time, the grandmother would be the likely culprit in obtaining the COLB. Because neither of the two hospitals have any records of his birth or the mother ever being in them…they would not be the ones contacting the Department of Health making the reports…(see above law).
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=135
After reading this law about getting a COLB…we see the answer to all of your other questions. Which still prove nothing without the Long Form Birth Certificate.
@aceofwands – You are wasting your breath. Cowardly Bob won’t engage in honest debate. He only knows talking points and lies.
But for what its worth, you laid out a very good rebuttal. 🙂
Thank You Anticsrocks…I knew that from jump-street…your analysis of delusional disorders was very well put I might add.
It does make for great fun to skull-fuck the Lib’s from time to time. Watching their little pee brains short-circuit is entertaining…you must admit.
Here are some more interesting items. As it turns out…Obama has almost 25 Social Security numbers listed under his name, or similar variations’….16 being directly attached to him. Seeing he is a little street hustler from the Southside of Chicago, this is not all a surprise. It might actually explain his whole history…just one big fraud with many forged documents.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2442166/posts
http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/SocialSecurity.htm