A Mosque that Should have Been Shut Down 9 Years Ago

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Well this is comforting news:

BERLIN — The authorities in Hamburg said Monday that they had shut down the mosque where several of the hijackers involved in the Sept. 11 attacks had met, asserting that it remained a source of radicalization nearly a decade later.

9 years after the events of September 11th is “Immediately”?!

Over the past decade, police found again and again that Muslims in al-Quds mosque were being fed a steady diet of militant Islam. The mosque still hosted a steady parade of radical speakers and recruiters. But nothing was done, as the police preferred to keep the mosque open in order to observe the radicals.

This is the law-enforcement variant of the libertarian argument that if you close a radical mosque (or brothel or drug den), people will just find some other place to carry out their illicit activities. But besides the moral problem inherent in this argument — capitulation — such a laissez-faire attitude has a practical problem as well. If the state tolerates radical mosques, young Muslims might think it is acceptable.

So why close it this week? Most likely, Germany has finally realized that the tactic of keeping it open for observation isn’t working. Over the past few years, the media in Germany has been awash with stories of young men being drawn into the jihadi scene, many radicalized, yet again, at al-Quds mosque. Of course, one might think the original 9/11 attacks would be enough to recommend closing al-Quds — but perhaps it took the threat of serious homegrown terrorism for Germany to finally come around.

If Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and those associated with the Cordoba House project aren’t radicals with ties to Islamic terror themselves, might the Islamic Center/mosque still be vulnerable to infiltration by those who are “extremists”?

After all the outrage, indignation, and protests by so many Americans, it’s certainly on the radar of America’s enemies now. They recognize the propaganda value because of the significance we’ve attached to such a “provocative” act of building an Islamic community center/mosque so close to Ground Zero.

In Ronald Kessler‘s The Terrorist Watch, he talks about how the number of mosques in the U.S. that talked political Islam was about 1 in 10 prior to 9/11. The numbers have since dropped far lower than that; however, this is apparently due to those who support extremist views knowing full well that they will come under the radar of scrutiny by the FBI and Homeland Security. So they are more careful.

Another problem Kessler brings up is in how many Muslim immigrants come from countries where they had been persecuted and oppressed by the authorities. So they are instinctively distrustful and suspicious of sharing information with the FBI, preferring to handle extremists problems from within the community. Many are also in denial that it is Muslims who are engaged in terrorist activities.

Pg 205 of The Terrorist Watch, an FBI agent relates an experience he had:

I talked to a very prominent imam in the U.S. We would have our sweets and our sweet tea. We would talk a lot about Islam. I would say we understand Islam and where they’re coming from. We’d tell him about what our mission is, trying to keep people from murdering Americans, or anybody else for that matter.”

Months later, the FBI found out that the man’s mosque had two extremists who were so radical that they kicked them out. Clearly, those two extremists would have been of interest to the FBI. If they only engaged in anti-American rhetoric, the FBI would leave them alone. more likely, they were planning action to go with their rhetoric.

The agent asked the imam, “What happened?”

“What do you mean?” the imam asked.

“Why didn’t you tell me about this?” the agent said.

“Why would I tell you about this?” the imam said. “They’re not terrorists. They just hate the U.S. government.”

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It will all depend on the Imam who leads it. But even if he’s the most peaceful man on the planet, he can not control those in his flock.

America’s enemies will do what they do, regardless of what we do or say.

Patvann, obviously you know nothing about sheep – or religious leaders. It is called a “flock” in reference to sheep, who all play follow the leader with virtually no sense of self preservation. Religious leaders can and do exert huge influence over their flocks. Witness Jonestown. To think that an imam has no control over his constituency borders on ludicrous.

Granny, Rev.Wright had no influence on Bo; otherwise, we might think Bo is a racist or a Black Liberationist.

Know this, first the “mosques” are their headquarters, the “iman’s” are their generals, and the “flock’s” are their foot soldiers. TO think differently one has to be truely blind to the word islam=”submission”

Mosque’s have no place within the boundries of any Western societies. As soon as the People understand this idea, the better we all, muslim’s included, will be. Saying nothing about the security of these issues relating to our way of life. I am not going to be in denial because they have themselves said it, they are in fact in a fight between the muslim faith and the crusaders, i.e. Christian Nations. They intend for us to submit, period.

This morning, it was stated on Fox News that in the 5 boroughs of New York, there are over 100 mosques. Can someone explain how it is that yet another one is necessary? And at this particular site?

Oops……..it was Fox News.

Never mind.

Pop Quiz:

Ask the Residents of Holland, France and Germany if they need more Mosques or a larger Islamic Population?

Do the Followers of Mohammed assimilate well into the Euro Culture or do they establish “Islands of Islam” and their own seperate Communities?

Do the “Islands of Islam” respect the Law of the Land there or desire Sharia Law for themselves
and their Host Nations?

Teddy Roosevelt on Immigration

“In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American…

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile…We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language…and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

–Theodore Roosevelt, 1919
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A Great President, Medal of Honor Winner, Horseman and American Patriot stated the obvious.
Once Islam gained a foothold in Europe and Great Britain there was very little assimilation and
the 911 planners carried out their “planning” in Islamic Communities Germany.

I reckon that Roosevelt was right in his statement and that complacent Americans that do not have the good sense that God gave a Goose are welcoming the diversity that could eventually prove to be problematic. All it takes is the “few” to do great harm to the “ignorant and complacent many”.

Freedom of Religion is one thing. Bringing politics that conflict with others Freedoms, Rights, Liberties and Pursuit of Happiness is a horse of a different color indeed. Sharia conflicts with Our Constitution and Bill of Rights in a huge and divisivive contrasting fashion.

In the US, more effort is made by the Holder DOJ to enforce “Civil Rights violations”, real or imagined than our Own Immigration Laws.

A couple more quotes:

Syed Ruhollah Moosavi Khomeini (Ayatollah Khomeini)

Khomeini accordingly delivered notorious rebuke to the Islam-is-a-religion-of-peace crowd:

“Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]…. Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur’anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

Sir Winston Churchill:

“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step.” Sir Winston Churchill – circa 1899 Sir Winston Churchill…
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property‹either as a child, a wife, or a concubine‹must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science‹the science against which it had vainly struggled‹the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” From The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248 50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899)

Jus’ sayin’…………..