Clash Of Civilizations – Wafa Sultan Debating Islamic Cleric

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This post was first posted March 1st, 2006. I linked to a youtube video of mine which has garnered 324,306 views and 9,075 comments. Many of them threatening death upon Wafa. Today youtube notified me that the video was removed due to Al Jazeera complaining a copyright violation so the video is now up on my server and I figured it is still a relevant post.

Amazing video of a very courageous women, Arab-American psychologist Wafa Sultan, who was debating a Islamist Cleric on Al Jazeera TV on February 21st, 2006. The translation was done by Memri.

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Some of my favorite lines:

The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them

Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies

We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant

The Jews have came from the tragedy (of the Holocaust), and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with their terror, with their work, not their crying and yelling.

And

“The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings.

Even better:

Imam: Are you a heretic?

Sultan: You can say whatever you like. I am a secular human being who does not believe in the supernatural…

Imam: If you are a heretic, there is no point in rebuking you, since you have blasphemed against Islam, the Prophet, and the Koran…

Sultan: These are personal matters that do not concern you. Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don’t throw them at me.”

Last July she took on Algerian Islamist Ahmad bin Muhammad over Islamic Teachings and Terrorism: (via Jihad Watch)

Wafa Sultan:

[…]In our countries, religion is the sole source of education, and is the only spring from which that terrorist drank until his thirst was quenched. He was not born a terrorist, and did not become a terrorist overnight. Islamic teachings played a role in weaving his ideological fabric, thread by thread, and did not allow other sources ? I am referring to scientific sources ? to play a role. It was these teachings that distorted this terrorist and killed his humanity. It was not (the terrorist) who distorted the religious teachings and misunderstood them, as some ignorant people claim.

When you recite to a child still in his early years the verse: “They will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off,” regardless of this verse’s interpretation, and regardless of the reasons it was conveyed or its time ? you have made the first step towards creating a great terrorist…

In response, Dr. bin Muhammad plays the deflection game, or tu quoque, as Hugh Fitzgerald has labeled it:

Bin Muhammad: The guest from America asked how a young man could blow up a bus. If only she had asked how a president could blow up a peaceful nation in Iraq. How does a president help the arch-killer of occupied Palestine? Why doesn’t she ask from where Hitler was brought up ? Hitler, who murdered 50 million innocent people. Why doesn’t she ask where the people who dropped two atom bombs on Japan were educated? Who killed three million innocent Vietnamese? Who annihilated the Indians? Who maintained imperialism to this day? Who waged the Spanish civil war, which exacted a toll of 600,000 in 36 months? Why don’t we ask these questions? Who has over 15,000 nuclear warheads ? Muslims or the non-Muslims? The Muslims or the Americans? The Muslims or the Europeans? We want an answer. Where was Bush educated ? if education is really what makes a person a criminal?…

But Wafa Sultan, unlike so many others, is not about to let him get away with it:

Wafa Sultan: Murder is terrorism regardless of time or place, but when it is committed as a decree from Allah, this is another matter…

The Crusader wars about which the professor is talking ? these wars came after the Islamic religious teachings, and as a response to these teachings. This is the law of action and reaction. The Islamic religious teachings have incited to the rejection of the other, to the denial of the other, and to the killing of the other. Have they not incited to the killing of Jews and Christians? If we had heard that a tribe in a distant corner of China has a holy book and religious teachings calling to kill Muslims ? would the Muslims stand idly by in the face of such teachings?

The Crusader wars came after these Islamic religious teachings. When these Islamic teachings were delivered, America did not exist on the face of the earth, nor was Israel in Palestine…

Why doesn’t he talk about the Muslim conquests that preceded all the wars he is talking about? Why doesn’t he mention that when Tariq bin Ziyyad entered Andalusia with his armies, he said to his people: “The sea is behind you, and the enemy is in front”? How can you storm a peaceful country, and consider all its peaceful inhabitants to be your enemies, merely because you have the right to spread your religion? Should the religion be spread by the sword and through fighting?…

There need to be MANY more of these type of Muslims. Until more Wafa Sultan’s stand up and take on these fanatics this war will continue.

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You have to be taught, very carefully taught, to hate. Seems this prejudice has now been transferred to Islam, which she calls fatally flawed.

consider this, taken from:The Sunday Times/ UK, March 19, 2006
www,timesonline,co,uk

Sultan, who worked as a family practitioner in Syria after qualifying as a doctor, also speaks about the virulent anti-semitism that was inculcated in her and all Syrian children. This made her so terrified of Jews that she refused to act the part of the Israeli prime minister Golda Meir in a school play.
?Until I came to United States I used to believe that Jewish people are not human creatures,? she says. ?Unfortunately this is the way I was brought up, to believe that Jews don?t have our human features, they don?t have our human voices.?

In the first week she was in the United States she and her husband went to a shoe shop in Hollywood. Her husband asked the clerk where he was from and when he said that he was an Israeli Jew, ?you can?t believe what I did?, she says. ?I ran away without shoes, barefoot. My husband followed me. He said, ?How stupid you are.? But I said, ?I cannot tolerate him.? I was scared to death because he was from Israel; I reacted in a very bad, negative way, because of the way I had been raised, for the past 30 years of my life.?

None so blind as those who will not see.

Could you imagine, if our rights to talk about AIDS back when it first started surfacing were taken away?

That everytime someone said anything about it’s dangers, how it was transmitted and how to prevent it, someone stood up and denied every word that person said. Then the government and all of the other institutions stopped allowing the information to be distributed.

One of the biggest reasons we have freedom of speech and want it for the world, is to protect people from danger, no matter where that danger lies.

We are not born to hate. Be we are born to survive. We have not only the inate ability to pick up on danger, but to do what we need to do to fight it.

If our ability to fight against something that has threatened our very lives is taken away, we are finished as a human race.

Remember, it was the moderate Nazis who allowed the Holocaust to proceed. So of what use to us are the “moderate muslims?”

It is timely that this pops back to the top.
Last night, as a result of the Libyan lady who had claimed to be raped by Gaddafi’s men, wafa Sultan was a guest on the O’Reilly Factor.
Bill O’Reilly simply cannot believe, nor will he do any homework to find out, the way Islam allows women to be treated.
Of course not all men treat their wives or daughters as bad as they are allowed to do in islam.
But, if they so desired, they could legally kill a female child under Sharia with no expectation of punishment.
Divorcing a woman only takes saying ”I divorce thee” three times and it is legal.
O’Reilly needs an education.