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@ old trooper- damn ! i have been saying the exact same thing for years! we would obviously have to post signs , that way they would be entering at their own risk.
To build on thet land mine idea, I was going to suggest a DARPA effort in line with the “Exploding Neck Collar thing-ee” from the Schwarzenneger classic “Ruinning Man”? You know, where they fit you with this collar? And, then, like, if you go PAST these sensors, then like, the “Neck Collar Thing-ee” explodes killing the urmmm… detainee…
I am suggesting this a a solution for repeat illegal immigrant offenders. You know, catch and release once but with teh “splodin’ collar” fitted to the frst time offender. Guaranteed to reduce recidivism and feed the turkey vultures ad crows…
Here’s a novel idea! It is estimated that approximately 10 million jobs have been lost since the beginning of all the economic woes. Well, how about if instead of the “Anointed One” and his lackeys in congress spending us into bakruptcy trying to turn the economy around, they simply begin by enforcing our present immigrations laws for a change, round up 10 million illegal Mexican immigrants now holding jobs in the U.S., deport them back to Mexico, and Voila! All of a sudden there would be ten million new jobs available for us Americans. Just a thought?
By the way, about those Kenyan comments. It would be a great idea for the Obama team to start planning for after Obama is defeated in 2012, about building the Obama Presidential Library…in Kenya.
For more than three decades — and for at least 20 of those years with Republican presidents in power — we’ve been hearing calls for tighter security at the Mexican border and vigorous round-them-up-and-ship-them back immigration laws.
Why hasn’t this ever been accomplished?
Because powerful people don’t want it to be accomplished.
Why don’t these powerful people want this to be accomplished?
Because it doesn’t serve their business interests.
Who are these powerful people whose business interests are so financially intertwined with illegal immigration?
Go on. Take a guess.
Immigration Legislation Theater is great for political fundraising and yada yada yada but nothing else. Immigration is just about the only issue on which all voters get played equally.
We could make a huge impact on immigration with a couple of simple steps:
1) Make this an English only country, so that there will be absolutely no business transacted anywhere with anyone in any language other than English by law.
2) Make use of any language other than English in the workplace a deportable offense.
This would make it impossible for a large part of these wetbacks to get work because they cannot get by in English. If they cannot get work and cannot get the freebies (social services, health care, schooling, etc.) they might as well stay in mexico.
@Dr.D: Step No. 1 is doable. Step No. 2 might be problematic on constitutional grounds. It would also really really really screw up Major League Baseball!
In 2009, the Democrats raised the green card limit to 1.1 million, the highest since 2006. 2009 also saw the third highest unemployment since 1948. The Democrats just care about votes, not the nation.
JOHN COOPER: hi, DO you mean that anything from this government mistakes are BUSH fault? WE heard that before; try something more of theses days events,how can they do better not worse?. bye
Funny, ain’t it, that legislators are hard at work to make what is illegal against the law?
The federal government doesn’t have the money or personnel or authority to enforce border security and citizenship, but if (like someone I know) you decline to participate in filing your taxes or purchasing health insurance or returning the census, there’s all kinds of resources to punish real citizens, up to and including confiscation of your property.
Those folks we’ve made the mistake of electing are far more interested in protecting what they view as “theirs” (power and funding) than protecting what is, by natural right, “ours” (Liberty & security). Another example of them not doing the job they were given. Another reason I defunded them.
Grace is right. This has been going on since we took the land from the Mexicans. Illegal immigration has always been with us in some form or another. The difference now is one of discretionary freedom and money.
We like to equate America to a melting pot. Great. But we all know if you flavor any pot of food with too much of one spice you change the taste. We also know you can add only so much ingredients to the pot before it overflows. In a way this is what we are facing this time around. We are running out of room, money and discretionary freedoms to give away.
At my website I outline a number of problems, HUGE problems, the Arizona bill creates, not the least issues of civil rights violations. The lawsuits flying off this law will look like spray from wet dog shaking off the water.
There is a solution, near the bottom of the post I outline nine steps I would take, many just common sense, that would clean up the problem within a year. Trouble is no politician is going to touch them. Too many votes, too many businesses making donations, too many taxes to be collected.
Just beware of this whole issue. In politics nothing happens by accident or in a vacuum. A Hispanic blow back could affect the 2010 and 2012 elections.
Amnesty could take a different form than anointing illegals with citizenship. My amnesty program would provide a one year period where illegals could sell their assets and self deport without repercussion. After the amnesty period any illegal caught would have their assets seized, sold at auction with proceeds used to pay down the national debt, and immediate deportation with a bar against ever returning.
During the amnesty period we would issue every citizen a tamper proof National ID card. Each green card worker would get a tamper proof green card. Build a physical fence. Make English the official language. Enact legal immigration reform with English competency a requirement, not fluency, just competency.
@ Grace Nearing
Yes, if we were to require English even in baseball, it might become an American game again. What a tragedy that would be! (Like I care.)
Gotta say, I take umbrage at the placement of the two words “discretionary” and “freedoms” in such proximty. I submit that only a person who believes our freedoms come from the government, as opposed to our Creator, could such an egregious error make.
“Truth & Common Sense”? I ain’t falling for it. HUGE umbrage, sir.
@Donald Bly,
I like it. Too many good immigrants have gone through the process of legally gaining citizenship to grant blanket forgiveness to criminals. Let them earn it, and from the back of the line.
I feel that some some of you should quit bringning the past in order to support your present views;GRACE NEARING;why does this government has to allow the law officers to do the job they know better and support them publicly to apply the new sate laws?;well ,that demontration showed criminal intent and criminal action toward the law officers,and substance to all AMERICANS of the real danger present and future more than before which has past.
Sometimes I really “get” the conservative mindframe; sometimes conservative sentiments really resonate with me. The isse of illigal immigration is not such an occasion.
If the underlying problem of our culture is a pervasive sentiment of entitlement, pushed by the masses in the form of legislated wealth redistribution, we’re not doing ourselves any favors by working to rid our country of a group of people largely willing to work as hard as they need to in order to support themselves and their own.
Frankly, I consider the 14-hour-per-day-working illegal Mexican immigrant to be more American, in spirit, than a huge number of our fellow “Tax my hard-working counterparts and pay me the proceeds (after all, I’m so entitled by virtue of my exiting the birth canal within particular geographic boundaries).”
Am I the only person who feels a slight sense of disgust at the “heart-breaking” stories of men and women who can’t keep a job because another person is willing and able to do it better, cheaper, or both?
IMO, our nation would be much better served by implementing a simple “work to citizenship” amnesty program, under which non-citizens could live and work here legally, with a 50% income tax burden the first year, 40% the second, 30% the third, and “common law” citizenship declared at year 4 (provided a clean criminal record is maintained). What’s better for our country: marketing a $10,000 car abroad produced by American citizens who speak English; or being able to market the same vehicle for $6,000, even though the upholstery sealing guy, Juan, says “si” when asked to put in some overtime?
These illegals represent a workforce with horsepower not seen in our country in decades; at a time with expanding trade deficits and drooping productivity; how odd that our most conservative elements think it wise that we borrow money from China to expunge the area of the economy that may actually help us compete in the global market!
Kevin, the problem is that these people are basically hard working thieves. They pay little or no taxes, they do not contribute to the community in any way other than their labor (paid in cash, please, so that there is no record), they utilize community services in inordinate amounts such as hospitals, welfare, schools, etc., all without paying a dime for them. The feel no loyalty whatsoever to the US, they do not want to be Americans, they want to remain mexican, salvadorians, or whatever, they simply come here to take the money and the benefits.
You talk about how hard they work and “do the jobs that Americans wont do.” If they were not here, wages for those jobs would rise, and Americans would be doing them. Yes, the cost of lettuce in the store would rise, but Americans would be working, rather than out of work, we would be a much more solid nation for it.
The mestizos want to take back part, or all, of the US from Americans. They come not to work but to conquer. Sure, they have a long way to go, but that is their goal. Don’t kid yourself into thinking otherwise. They are making big inroads in the southwest. Listen to them talk of Aztlan and recognize just how serious they are. We cannot sit back and talk about how they are “better Americans than those that are already here.” That is crazy talk, and highly destructive.
I must agree with Dr. D. Many illegals have been here for years and have never bothered to learn English. They expect us to learn Spanish. Can you imagine if none of us had learned English and still spoke the language from where we came? Most don’t want to be Americans…they want to remain Mexicans, Salvadorans, etc.
And many think they have a right to the land, even though most had little part in making the Country, just taking from our system and our compassion. And they trash the area where they cross the border. Some are criminals, and most send large sums of American dollars back to their country of origin.
Yes, many are very hard working people. But those jobs could go to those who are now currently on the public teat. If the government teat dries up, some of those will actually have the privilege of working for a living for a change. We need to “free” those that are slaves of the government, and give them an opportunity to enjoy the rewards of work.
Bring our troops home and line up the National Guard with a shoot to kill poicy.
Heavy fines and jail time for employers of illegals.
Do away with the anchor baby crap.
Massive sweeps to deport, deport, deport.
Ya know… We could install remote controlled 50 cals along the southern border, overlapping fields of fire, a 500 yard no mans land, and allow bored kids with a credit card to man a position via internet connectivity. Anything within the kill zone is fair game. We could pay off the national debt and secure our border. Probably best to only deploy this form of perimeter security in more remote areas… but I’d play. $25 for a 4 hour shift. $100 for heavily trafficked areas. 4 kills get’s you an Ace Border Security Patch for wear on your favorite jacket. For those that would rather just surf the action…. $14.95 a month for internet viewing access. Could be bigger than Fight Club.
I’m somewhere in the middle here. I understand what Kevin is saying and I understand what Dr. D. is saying.
First and foremost, our borders should be secured. That’s not a question of being fair and open minded versus hard nosed anti-immigration, it’s self preservation. If it is that easy for an everyday person to cross the borders into our country, it is probably a piece of cake for a trained terrorists to do so.
Once the borders are secured, there should be some serious reforms. My wife is originally from Mexico. She had a green card since she was 16 and decided to become a U.S. citizen when she was 24. She didn’t want to use me being her husband to her advantage, she wanted to do it on her own merits. It took 10 years. I have a few friends that are legal residents that wanted to marry their hometown sweethearts, who were still in Mexico. A fiance visa should take about 3 months; some of these guys have been dealing with the system for over 2 years.
Legal resident aliens that serve honorably in the military for 4 years should be granted immediate citizenship and their immediate families living the the States should be granted resident alien status if they don’t have it already.
While Dr. D. may be correct that some folks are here to get paid under the table and have no intentions of assimilating into the American community, there are those that wish to. A worker program that taxes everyone would quickly bring that issue to light, IMHO.
@Mike’s America: What would I do about border security, etc? Well, it doesn’t matter what I would do (although I have some ideas), it’s what our federal elected officials are actually willing to do. Oh, some of them talk a good game, which is great for media coverage and fund raising, but they never follow through. If they actually pass a tough bill, it “somehow” doesn’t get enough funding or never really gets implemented.
Enhanced security at the Mexican border would take a huge concerted effort but would not be technologically difficult to achieve. We all have had the same discussions about physical barriers, aerial surveillance, drones, etc. It’s a question of funding, implementation, and maintenance — and above all else determination. I don’t think our elected officials have the determination to do this — for a variety of reasons.
As I said previously, I’ve heard this all before — and for decades! — about illegal immigration. I’ve heard this all before — and for decades! — about energy independence. When nothing much changes after 30 or 40 years, I start to think nothing much is going to change in the next 30 or 40 years either.
@Grace Nearing: Bush finally began a strengthened border and workplace enforcement effort. It CAN be done. But Obama is gutting it.
I do think it’s a fair question to ask what YOUR priorities would be. After all, you will have to vote for a candidate which more closely matches your views.
So, put aside the difficulty of implementation and follow through and describe what YOU would do if the job was up to you.
The one thing that democrats fail to bring up in the topic of immigration reform is Reagan’s Immigration and Reform Act of 1986. True, the act granted amnesty to a lot of illegal immigrants, but the democrats failed to follow through on their end. The act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants and required employers to attest to their employee’s immigration status. Is that being done today? No it is not. Why exactly does President Obama believe we need reform when the existing laws are not enforced? If those laws are not enforced, why should any other laws be enforced?
Immigration implementation needs to be reformed. It is currently being handled by the same idiots that you meet at the DMV. They don’t care and you don’t matter. The laws as they sit need to be enforced.
Whoa. Not in favor of killing illegals trying to sneak in. I guess that was meant to be tongue in cheek, but even I wouldn’t have posted that.
Kevin, the fact they work hard doesn’t change the fact they have no business being here. Dr. D nailed it and I can back up what he says since I live with it.
Just to add to what he said, many commit identity fraud in order to get a SSN so they can stay in the country and work. You think that doesn’t hurt someone?
I recall a while back where illegal immigrants in Mexico had a rally demanding rights they weren’t entitled to-just like the ones we’ve had here. Again, IIRC the Mexican authorities swooped in and arrested a number of them-including Americans that were there illegally and deported them. Any hue and cry from the left? Nope. Why? Because it’s only wrong when America does it.
Clearing up the term “discretionary freedoms” for you. Whether you are aware of it or not you do it every day. Discretionary freedoms are those freedoms you can surrender to authorities without damaging your core life. For example, what kind of car do your drive? Who built it and to what standards? CAFE standards told you what kind of car you can have. What kind of engine you can run, what kind of gas you can buy (at a very heavy cost per gallon which takes away from your cash on hand).
Your refrigerator and a/c unit run on coolants that the government told you that you had to use. Are they better and more efficient? No. But you let them do it to you. You gave away a discretionary freedom when you did. How about the rules about upgrading your house before you can sell it? How much cash will that take out of your wallet, thus limiting your other choices, in order to “save the planet?” Again, lost freedoms. Now we know it is all bullsh** and a scam planned to make Soros and Gore and Goldman Sachs very, very rich . (A ten trillion dollar market.)
And you let them, you gave up the right to keep your house, YOUR property as you see fit. A lost freedom.
Soon your personal health will be subject to government control, as will your funds and possible your salary. Here is where I say that the limit is being reached for the loss of freedoms and people are rightly pushing back.
Back in the seventies when the eco-nuts first showed up we paid them off with funds and freedoms just to shut them up. We gave up clean nuke power, offshore drilling, etc. causing our daily lives to be simply more expensive, but we didn’t mind, we had the extra cash and freedoms to give. Think of it like they were spoiled children and we gave the ten dollars and the keys so they would go away to a movie or something.
However, those easy days are gone. Money is tight, freedoms are being squeezed. The left can’t understand why we suddenly do not want to go along anymore. We have just had it.
That is what I meant by discretionary freedoms. Me, I’m missing my buddy’s 1972 Ford F250 with a straight six 300 and a limited slip rear and Gumbo Monster Mudders. It never got stuck. Why, don’t I just go out and buy one like it? Because even if I wanted to get one, I could not. The ability to build one like it was traded away a long time ago.
This comes from another blog, and it cannot be verified. It has the ring of truth.
Date: Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:28 PM
Subject: FW: Mexican Assassins – Life on the border
—–Forwarded Message—–
Forwarded to me by a friend who recently retired from border patrol………
As you know, one of the local ranchers was murdered in Douglas two weeks ago. His funeral is tomorrow. I received three messages similar to the one below from different officers within the Rangers and law enforcement.
Yesterday afternoon I talked to another rancher near us who is a friend of ours and whose great grandfather started their ranch here in 1880. These are good people. He told me what really happened out at the Krentz ranch and what you won’t read in the papers. The Border Patrol is afraid of starting a small war between civilians here and the drug cartels in Mexico.
Bob Krentz was checking his water like he does every evening and came upon an illegal who was lying on the ground telling him he was sick. Bob called the Border Patrol and asked for a medical helicopter evac. As he turned to go back to his ATV he was shot in the side. The round came from down and angled up so they know the shooter was on the ground. Bob’s firearm was in the ATV so he had no chance. Wounded he called the Cochise County Sherriff and asked for help. Bleeding in the lungs he called his brother but the line was bad so he called his wife but again the line was bad.
Several ranchers heard the radio call and drove to his location. Bob was dead by this time. The ranchers tracked the shooter 8 miles back towards Mexico and cornered him in a brushy draw. This was all at night. The Sherriff and Border Patrol arrived and told them not to go down and engage the murderer. They went around to the back side and if you can believe it the assassin managed to get by a BP helicopter and a Sherriff’s posse and back to Mexico . So much for professional help when you need it.
One week before the murder Bob and his brother Phil (who I shoot with) hauled a huge quantity of drugs off the ranch that they found in trucks. One week before that a rancher near Naco did the same thing. Two nights later gangs broke into his ranch house and beat him and his wife and told them that if they touched any drugs they found they would come back and kill them. The ranchers here deal with cut fences and haul drug deliveries off their ranches all the time. What ranchers think is that the drug cartels beat the one rancher and shot Bob because they wanted to send a message. Bob always gave food and water to illegals and so they think they sent the assassin to pose as an illegal who was hungry and thirsty knowing it would catch Bob off guard.
What is going on down here is NOT being reported. You need to tell people how bad it is along the border. Texas is worse. Near El Paso it’s in a state of war. 5000 people were killed in Ciudad Juarez last year and it’s over 2000 so far this year. Gun sales down here are through the roof and I get emails from people wanting firearms training.
Something has to be done but I don’t hold out much hope. These gangs have groups in almost every city in the US . Please read below. This is serious business. The Barrio Azteca and their sub gangs are like Mexican Corporations and organized extremely well. If this doesn’t get dealt with down here you guys will deal with it on your streets.
It really is getting worse and worse down there Folks…..”starting a small war between civilians here and the drug cartels in Mexico.”
I applaud Arizona and hope that other states will follow since our government isn’t going to help. My DIL is Japanese and went through the immigration process, no easy ordeal. It is wrong that those who have no regard for our laws, rules and regulations are reaping benefits from the country and taking advantage of us. This is about following those steps that were put in place to gain admittance to this country not jumping in front of those who are law abiding.
It is time to do something and yes, it is going to be uncomfortable because doing the right thing is always easy.
Amnesty is de-facto racial preference. It gives favorable treatment to Hispanics (who by far make up the bulk of illegal immigrants.) I think that to reform immigration that we should begin a systematic program of deportation, put a temporary freeze on all Hispanic immigration, and instead allow more immigration and work permit visas to the rest of the world’s would be legal immigrants. All this will balance out the racial preference unfairness that Washington has advocated by failing to take action.
Of course it goes hand in hand that we would have to finish the border fence. (Let’s electrify it while we are at it.)
NOTE: Any illegal immigrant who is found to be working under a stolen Social Security Number shall be barred for life from ever immigrating to, or entering this nation ever again. Any monies paid in to said Social Security Number shall be added to the SSN account of the person who’s identity was stolen.
Both Liberals and Conservatives (and probably a few moderates) are guilty of hiring illegal immigrants to take advantage of their willingness to work for sub-minimum wages. (many are private individuals who could afford to pay a fair wage for their housekeeper/gardener/nanny.) The claim that “Americans won’t work at these (A-hem, again below min wage) jobs is a bogus one, put forth by cheapskates who don’t want to pay a fair LEGAL wage. They just don’t to compete fairly in the marketplace. Some of these jobs would be eagerly filled by teenagers and other poor individuals, and if the price for the produced goods or services go up, well, that’s life and economics.
@ ditto: You propose that any monies paid to a stolen SS number be added to the account of the person whose SS number was stolen. Think about that for a minute. If they were able to use the SS number for a period of time, there was a reason why the the rightful owner was not using it. In most cases, the rightful owner is dead, so adding money to his account really does not make much sense. Why would you think the rightful owner was still available to use the account if the account had been available to be stolen?
You clearly don’t understand the facts about identity theft. Do proper research first, before wrongly assuming that only dead people have had their Social Security Numbers stolen. Only some stolen SSN’s belong to deceased individuals. Many are stolen from people who are still quite alive, including those SSN numbers that belong to children. My mother in-law was alive and a literature professor when she learned that here Identity including her SSN had been stolen. Some young people have applied for credit when reaching adulthood only to find that they had a poor credit rating because some scumbag had been using their SSN for years. It is not uncommon for there to be a multiple of individuals using a victim’s SSN. That is why Americans are being told by experts that they need to check their credit ratings regularly, (Hint: your credit ratings are tied to your SSN.)
Identity thieves steal identities from a wide variety of places, (Including businesses records, doctors offices, financial institutions, employers, etc…) and a valid SSN is crucial for this identity theft to work. An identity collector may sell the same identity information (including SSNs) to untold numbers of illegal aliens and other criminals. The expense of repairing your credit and other damage done can be staggering. Incidentally, some people are collecting from a dead spouse’s SSN account (perfectly legally if the spouse was the family bread-winner.) The reason I suggested that the funds go into the victims Social security Account is because it may be the only way they recoup a portion of their financial losses.
@ ditto I think I do understand about how identity theft works, and I understand your point about the significance of stolen SSNs. On the other hand, if someone else wants to pay into my SS account, I have no problem with that, just as long as they do not thereby pass themselves off as me. This is where we get into trouble with the fact that we were assured that the SSN would “never” be used as as national ID number. Ha, Ha, Ha.
I love your admonition, “Do proper research first.” I have spent my whole life doing research and writing papers, etc., so this is really rich.
You still do not understand all the implications. Nor have you done the proper research here. (Perhaps you don’t care so you are simply being lazy). Identity theft is not a laughing matter.
Currently, if someone else has stolen your SSN and is putting money in your Social Security account, you very well may not benefit from their crime. The Social Security Administration may review the deposits, and if they clearly are not the same person, The Social Security Administration does not further investigate or arrest the fraudster. Nor will they credit your account. They simply create a flag under those deposits that they know will never be collected on, then dump the cash in the general fund.
There is one other consideration with someone having stolen your identity and that is the IRS. There have been cases where the IRS has gone after the taxpayer who owns the SSN for not including in their tax report, the wages earned by the identity thief as and reported by their employer. (This is what happened in the case of my Mother-In-Law and how she found out about it. Luckily the IRS agreed that she could not be working simultaneously in New England and Southwest America. Had the identity thief been working closer, say in New York City, it would have been harder for her to prove that it wasn’t her.)
Rally ‘ Round The Flag
There are startling statistcs about the current drug cartel war taking place in Mexico. Over 22,700
Mexicans (innocent or other) have been murdered in the past year. Moreover 3,365 Mexicans have died
by the cartels during the period of Jan.-March. A U.S. Consulate employee and his wife were murdered
in Juarez, recently and 50 people were killed last weekend alone, 4 victims be-headed. The U.S. Government last year gave 2 bil. to Mexico in an effort to bolster Mexican law enforcement. What choice does this offer our border states that are being over run with crime and rampant infusion of non-
Americans? It is about time that Arizona (and perhaps other states) stand up and formulate legislation
based upon federal immigration laws. Our border states have a right to enforce the existing federal laws
discrimination is just an excuse. There are many latino persons who have come here legitimately (personal friends) that understand and respect the laws of this great nation.
Unfortunaley, this administration will not take action, because of the bigger picture ahead.
The North American Union of Canada, Mexico and the U.S. is immenent. The illegals in this country
will be granted citizenship and Puerto Rico may soon be our 51st state. Unfortunately, there is a
definite agenda, and the American people are just pawns in the game. When will Americans stand up?
RALLY’ROUND THE FLAG: hi,you make me think and regret that the PROVINCE OF QUEBEC has not succeded ; to want to separate from CANADA some years ago ;they almost did ,49 to 50,but the canadien PM had open the door wide to refugys and immigrants sending them in QUEBEC; today it would be impossible to do;but CANADA would not accept to that 3 countrys deal and the world deal also,as the AMERICANS,i am sure they both would fight on the street against it;we don’t care for having the MEXICO incorporate in a murging with us also. bye
DR.D;on 38,;we should put a sign to warn the whoever illegals are crossing on the border,that planes will randomly throw some dynamites in various locations along the border;and apply it ;they would have been warn;and it would also create a deep ridge fence unpasseble. it is a bit more than having them tatoo,but that was not accepted by one commenter who was outrage of this idea.as a former officer of the law. bye
@Althor: Althor, Your right on! I’ve been asking that question for a while. Put that thought on every website you visit and maybe we can get some thing done? If millions of Americans start asking that question, there will be no amnesty, period!
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