As the anniversary of the Oklahoma bombing approached, liberals fell over themselves to suggest that Tea Party protests could lead to another McVeigh type incident. CBS News made the argument, as did Rachel Maddow and even Bill Clinton. Joe Klein said that the dissent which was once patriotic when Democrats dissented now implies that dissent is seditious. What lefties must hate is that all the real violence has originated from the left, not the right.
Kathleen Parker, hilariously called a “conservative columnist” by the doddering old fool Bob Schieffer, said that “this heated rhetoric and some of these words…that are pretty loaded, ‘reload,’ ‘targeting’…there’s a danger there.” Schieffer in turn said “some of this really nasty rhetoric that shows up on the Internet..” Bill Clinton said to “watch your words” and that “words have consequences as much as actions do.” John Heilemann of New York magazine said “Joe’s (Klein) right and I’ll name another person, I’ll name Rush Limbaugh who uses this phrase constantly and talks about the Obama administration as a regime. That phrase which has connotations of tyranny.” Had Heileman taken two seconds before he made himself look like an idiot he would have found out what Glenn Beck found- that Bush’s administration had been referred to as a “regime” 6500 times.
You have to wonder where all this concern, all this indignation, all this horsecrap was a few years ago. If you Google “Kill Bush” you get 5,720,000 hits. Liberals are the epitome of hypocrisy, stinking, lousy hypocrisy at that.
“Civic virtue can include harsh criticism, protest, even civil disobedience. But not violence or its advocacy,” lectured Bill Clinton. Sounds great. Now for the reality. Barack Obama said “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” Obama also encouraged his supporters to approach the opposition and “get in their face.” White House Deputy Chief of Staff Jim Messina said “If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard.”
So now when the harsh words fall upon a Democrat it’s a terrible thing, but when uttered by a Democrat, it doesn’t matter. But I wrote all that to bring you to this. Timothy McVeigh had nothing in common with Tea Partiers. Tea Partiers protest a particular party and its oppressive and socialist predilections. McVeigh was angered by the events of Ruby Ridge and then Waco. He was angry at the government. He was anti-government, not anti-Democrat or anti-Republican. Now take a second and think back about whom else was anti-government. Think back to another person and group who bombed government buildings and killed Americans. Timothy McVeigh’s philosophical predecessor was none other than Bill Ayers. Both hated the government. Both struck at the government. McVeigh showed no remorse for his bombing of the Murrah building. ”I don’t regret setting bombs,” said Bill Ayers. The actions of both resulted in the deaths of innocents. They have much in common.
There is one difference between Ayers and McVeigh, though. Bill Ayers is a mentor of Barack Obama.
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
Not that we want to beat that dead horse further….since both Mike and myself have already put in our two cents worth on this political powerhouse assault on the tea party and general dissent against both spending and government expansion into our capital lives….
…. but let me pepper this with the yet another article. And that would be Obama’s Homeland Security appointee, Janet Napolitano’s, continued assault. This while she simultaneously attempts to back peddle from her assertations that domestic violence by the “anti-government” movements continues to be the prime concern of this clueless admin.
Napolitano knows very well that her choice of political ideology and focus on the opposite side of the aisle last year was a major faux pas. But even today, she can’t find it in her heart to include her own.
And this is best exampled by genuine culmination in “violence” by those who physically assaulted Gov Bobby Jindal’s assistant and boyfriend April 9th.
They’ve accused the tea party types of racism and simmering violence. They’ve ignored the physical vandalism of the Harry Reid supporters egging tea party buses. Fine… that isn’t tantamount to “violence” in Napolitano’s eyes.
But the beating of conservative governor’s assistants? How about the dismissal of charges against the Black Panthers for voter intimidation which is clearly violation of law? Both of these rise to the very accusations of Napolitano.
But it just so happens the perps aren’t of the right political stripes….. so let’s just ignore it.
And they wonder why a very all-American “anti-government” sentiment is a’rising??
Exceptional article. Wow. Why isn’t this the kind of thing we see in our newspapers and on our nightly TV news? Oh wait, stupid rhetorical question. The hypocrisy is so blatantly obvious to any aware thinking person. And MataH’s additional comments are right on as well. All of the above, in addition to the reckless deficit spending and the destruction of our liberty and the attacks on our Constitution and on and on, is EXACTLY why we are so pissed off!!! I don’t even know what else to say. Thanks for a great post.
We’re going to bomb the Whitehouse in November of 2012, then bomb congress on each liberal’s reelection. We will be using the HUN bomb (Hear Us Now).
I don’t condone what Bill Ayers did during the ’60s and ’70s, but his actions are hardly the moral equivalent of those of Timothy McVeigh. We should get our history straight.
Ayer’s and his associates targeted and damaged property, taking care to avoid killing or injuring people as a matter of principle. There’s no evidence that they ever killed anyone–only media assertions. The only proven fatalities resulting from their bombs were three of their own, killed by an accidental detonation.
McVeigh, on the other hand, intended to commit mass murder, and did so.
@Greg…Ayers did have the intent. He was just not successful. Obviously you missed something there. McVeigh WAS a Domestic Terrorist. Ayers STILL IS. Both Ayres and McVeigh were conspirators in Domestic Terrorism.
BILL AYERS…“Guilty as hell, free as a bird—America is a great country,”
Right from the horses mouth, Bud. Free on a technicality.
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html
“…But listen to Ayers interviewed in the New York Times on September 11, 2001, of all days: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Translation: “We meant to kill that judge and his family, not just damage the porch.” When asked by the Times if he would do it all again, Ayers responded: “I don’t want to discount the possibility.”
Your History lesson is in the link. A ‘moral equivalence’ argument is not applicable. One just built a better bomb than the other.
“16 February 1970 – Bombing of Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen.”
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4754
On the scoreboard of political murders the right is far ahead. DrJohn has to turn the time mahine back to 1970 to pick one out. The left just has not racked up the same numbers as the right . Abortion bombingsBesides Mcveigh (168 killed) we also had Rudolph (2 killed 150 injured) As for the rants about MSM the problem is that Americans who have many choices from where to get their news overwhelmingly choose center-left sources. Fox News gets only about 10% of the nation’s viewers during the prime time news hour. There were 41 abortion clinic bombings including these:December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians’ offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings “a gift to Jesus on his birthday.”[16][17][18]
October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.[19]
May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire on resulted in damage estimated at US$20,000. The case remains unsolved.[20]
September 30, 2000: A Catholic priest drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being shot at by a security guard.[21]
June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington destroyed a wall, resulting in US$6000 in damages.[19]
July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.[19]
December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a “memorial lamp” for an abortion she had had there.[22]
September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women’s Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinic.[23]
April 25, 2007: A package left at a women’s health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.[24]
May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[25]
December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd’s clinic in Albuquerque. Altman’s girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic.[26]
The best excuse for any of these has to be Patrica Hughes’ who said that the Molotov cocktail that she threw was just a “memorial lamp” for the abortion that she had at that clinic. Seems to have worked, she only got 1 year while her co-defendant got 6 years.
If we were to go back further than DrJohn’s 1970 cite we would be heading into the 60s which would include the KKK church bombings. And yes they were Democrats but certainly rightwing and since 1968 staunch GOPers
John
I think you’re missing the point. My topic regards actions against the government, it has nothing to do with abortion. I see McVeigh and Ayers as cut from the same anti-government cloth. The deaths in 1970 that I cited were consequent to the actions of Ayers’ Weathermen. It was suggested that the Weathermen weren’t responsible for any deaths but the evidence suggests otherwise.
I also think it’s particularly wrong to paint McVeigh as right-wing. Ayers is and was a leftie and McVeigh shares Ayers’ sentiments. They both blew up government buildings. They both hated the government. McVeigh is a leftie, not a rightie.
Rudolph and had an entirely different cause. Your examples focus on a business, not on the government.
Duplicate post. Sorry.
@John ryan, acts of terrorism are heinous crimes regardless of alleged political affiliation or ’cause’. All are despicable and only a moron like you keeps score on the basis of your bias or personal prejudices.
I’m sure that you can build a case for the Ft. Hood shootings based upon some stretch of your imagination that may seem rational to you. Must have been GWB policies that provoked the shooter, Eh?
Of the crimes and criminal acts that you listed, do you have Voter Registration info on the bad actors or are you just pulling it out of your backside as per usual?
Was Hitler a disgruntled Republican in your opinion?
How about Stalin’s purges, was he a closet Republican?
How about Rwanda, were the Perps GOP members?
The genocide in Bosnia/Herzegovina was sanctioned by the GOP as well?
How about the JFK assassination, got any conspiracy theories?
I am not Party affiliated so fire away.
drjohn, our usual drive by one liner, john ryan, was attempting to paint what he (and Napolitano) consider right wing as those who are more apt to use violence with some bizarre laundry list of various loons. There’s no dearth of lib/prog loons either, and I notice he dodges some of the enviro terrorist organizations, as well as those that regularly show up to the WTO conferences.
But as you said, john ryan misses the point. Again I repeat what Napolitano said in the past days:
This is just different wording for Clinton’s point…. that if you opposed the “fundamental change” this POTUS and Congress are doing, it must mean you are a radical right wing, racist; and a danger to this nation.
What’s particularly insidious is this isn’t a citizen on citizen violence, crime or act of terror. This is the WH administration government officials, naming, alluding to, and focusing on citizens because of their political beliefs. It is this type of thrust to control behavior of citizens that led to the unacceptable violence perpetrated by Clinton’s and Reno’s assault on both Waco, and the equally despicable outcome by the prior admin on Ruby Ridge.
Let me repeat that… this is the force and power of the highest elected office, bearing down on citizens because of opposing political beliefs. This is a government who is deliberately inciting the nation to fear other citizens that don’t share their beliefs.
That, john ryan, is the difference between this and your laundry list of events.
As long as humans inhabit the planet, there will be tragic assaults that include destruction of property and lives. It is an entirely different matter when the assault is by our government on the citizens, and the government uses it’s bully pulpit to characterize anyone who disagrees as future terrorists.
Thanks for the heads-up, Mata.
And you’re absolutely right. There is no simple disagreeing with this regime. All dissent now is seditious and racist.
I also think it’s particularly wrong to paint McVeigh as right-wing
It seems reasonable to me given his beefs. The argument otherwise seems to amount to an attempt to claim that his anti-government violence automatically disqualifies him from the category. Which would be a nice example of the ‘no true Scotsman’ fallacy.
It also seems irrelevant, though. Pretty much any set of beliefs can be twisted into a justification for violence if someone tries hard enough. Unless you can make a good case that the violence is an intrinsic or inevitable part of the ideology, though (see: Islam), these cases don’t tell us anything about the merits of different political beliefs.
That’s one of those “media assertions” that lacks supporting evidence, despite a lengthy effort to find it. The fact that people repeatedly assert that someone is a murderer doesn’t make it so.
I reject the notion that the Weathermen failed to run up a body count simply because they were too inept to do so. They were responsible for 30 bombings. Property damage was severe. If their objective had been to kill people, it would have been easier to do so than not. They could have refrained from calling in their advance warning to the NYC Police Headquarters, for example.
I wouldn’t care in the least what people think about Ayer’s past, were it not for the guilt by association attacks. People want to create the impression that the President of the United States pals around with a mass murderer. Ayer’s isn’t, and Obama doesn’t.
Greg, you are incorrect. As even the progressive/socialist rag, The Nation knows, Ayers was indeed a wannabe mass murderer with his plot to bomb a 1970’s Fort Dix dance. The only reason that didn’t happen was his idiot peers blew themselves up instead. It was following this failed plot that Ayers and Dohrn went underground.
Added: If you want another account, here’s Time Magazine’s Oct 2008 expose on Ayers.
It was only after plotting to murder officers and wives at a dance, and killing their own instead, they decided to start issuing warnings in advance. Guess the ugly reality of what they were attempting to do hit home when it backfired by ineptness.
Therefore it is not incorrect to label Ayers an attempted mass murderer.
And there is substantial evidence that your claim of just a casual relationship between Obama and Ayers is based in “hope”… from their relationship via the failed educational experiment for the Annenberg challenged, to neighborhood proximity – and most importantly the questionable prose and phrasing in Dreams of My Father. That’s likely to be something you consider a “conspiracy theory”.
Problem is that “conspiracy” was lent credibility with Christopher Andersen’s bestseller, “Barack and Michelle: Portrait of a Marriage”, where he states:
ooops…. while trying to diss the posits of PhD, Jack Cashill, as conservative lunatic ravings, Andersen confirms his research to be founded in truth, not conspiracy.
More here:
http://www.sfweekly.com/2009-09-16/news/time-bomb/
http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com/2008/10/who-killed-brian-v-mcdonnell.html
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4095
DR JOHN;hi,ouf scary,free as the birds,flying over universitys,bye 🙄
But…but…but…I thought Obama is going to take away our guns? 😕