Democrat Congressman – I Care More About People Without Healthcare Than The Constitution

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Whoa boy! Here is Congressman Phil Hare from Illinois: (h/t Ace)



Questioner: [regarding obamacare] Where in the Constitution?

Congressman Phil Hare: I don’t worry about the Constitution to be honest with you

Questioner: Jackpot brother!

Congressman Phil Hare: Oh, you know what I care more about, I care more about the people who are dying everyday who don’t have healthcare.

Questioner: You care more about that than the US Constitution?

Congressman Phil Hare: I believe it says we have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Audience Member: That’s the Declaration of Independence

Congressman Phil Hare: That doesn’t matter to me! Either one….

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Anybody believe for one second that ButtRub has ever been a Republican?

-Thought not.

But oh to be able to have that “opt-out” form of his! I already live that way, and am punished everyday for it by Fascists like him! How long do you’all think it will take before his group needs to borrow our money?

Keep arguing with the strawmen there BRob, they are your speed.

@B-Rob the Liar, Waster of Air and Time

So sorry… I only got to the second sentence of your diatribe before my eyes glazed over. You’ll have to forgive me for not reading the balance although I noticed that you did accomplish a lot of keystrokes…. amazing what monkeys can do now days.

By the way… how’s that socialist utopian co-op working out for ya… did you get lots of people to sign on?

@BRob…You expect me to think that you hold up a rant by a so-called Republican that held Nixon in high regard as a leader of the GOP?? You evidently know nothing about Conservatives.

These are the leaders of my party nowadays. How did we go from William F. Buckley to Glenn Beck? How did we go from Eisenhower and Nixon to Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann?

I would have Palin as President ANY day over Barack Milhous Obama. We get to thank Nixon for the EPA and a plethera of other ‘alphabet’ agencies. At least Palin would reign in spending, cut taxes and shrink the government. Her record speaks for itself as a city council member, a Mayor and a Governor. The fact that you bash Palin shows you for the liberal nut job you are.

You further said:

I mean, seriously, if ten years ago, I told you that someone would pass a law to induce people to be financial responsibility and not pass their debts on to the general public…

And how does Obamacare do that? By squeezing out the private insurance companies so that EVERYONE has to be on the government dole?

You just can’t handle the fact that in one comment posting you went from one side of the argument (anti-mandate) to the other (pro-mandate). LOL Spin it all you want, your lack of logic speaks volumes.

Even though it pains me to quote your ranting again, I must in order to ask you a question and make a point.

Instead, for some reason, the party of “personal responsibility” now wished to be the party of the gravy train. Not “Don’t tread on me” as much as “Free Lunch.” But I don’t want it to continue. That does not make me an “intellectual” or a socialist; but it does make you cons a bunch of slackers and enablers. Again: the mandate idea was put forth by the Heritage Foundation…

Please provide proof that it was the The Heritage Foundation that “put forth the idea” of the mandate for individual American citizens to purchase a private product as a condition of citizenship. I challenge you to show proof. The Heritage Foundation is a CONSERVATIVE think tank. You have proven over and over that you do not understand us ‘cons.’ If you did, you would understand that Conservatives do not want MORE government in our lives, we want less.

That is my question to you, show proof. The point I wish to make is that you say the GOP/Republicans/’cons’ are against health care reform because we want to be the party of the “gravy train.” Whatever the hell that means. Last time I looked, as a Conservative (and damned proud of it) I receive no checks from trip and fall lawyers due to my position for or against ANY Obama policy. Sometimes you say really stupid things.

We Conservatives are in favor of health care reform – portability, tort reform, high risk pools for pre existing conditions, clamping down on medical fraud, etc…

Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool, rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt. I just really like that old saying when dealing with marxists like yourself, BRob.

Anticsrocks said:

“She wasn’t on “life support” any more than a toddler is on life support because he needs help being fed. It wasn’t true she had no “consciousness,” and her condition was not “irreversible.” That was merely what the doctors paid for by her lying, adulterous husband stated, as opposed to what other doctors reported, such as the ones produced by her parents, who wanted her to live”.

Ummm yeah her condition was irreversible. The autopsy proved that. See below:

Schiavo Autopsy Released
Brain Damage ‘Was Irreversible’

By David Brown and Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 16, 2005

Terri Schiavo suffered severe, irreversible brain damage that left that organ discolored and scarred, shriveled to half its normal size, and damaged in nearly all its regions, including the one responsible for vision, according to an autopsy report released yesterday.

Although the meticulous postmortem examination could not determine the mental state of the Florida woman, who died March 31 after a judicial and legislative battle over her “right to die,” it did establish the permanence of her physical condition.

Schiavo’s brain damage “was irreversible . . . no amount of treatment or rehabilitation would have reversed” it, said Jon R. Thogmartin, the pathologist in Florida’s sixth judicial district who performed the autopsy and announced his findings at a news conference in Largo, Fla.

You must have missed that.

Ron H.

H….I cannot even fathom why you would be happy about that. “You must have missed that.” Gloating over the death of an innocent woman, how nice.

I won’t even bother pointing out the flaws in your argument, I will let Michelle Malkin do it for me:

With regard to Terri’s alleged persistent vegetative state, most news articles inaccurately portray the report as supporting that diagnosis. But the disability rights group Not Dead Yet has it right:

[C]ontrary to articles stating the autopsy report “supported” the diagnosis of “persistent vegetative state (PVS),” a neuropathology expert today was careful to say that PVS is a clinical diagnosis rather than a pathological one. He added that nothing in the autopsy was “inconsistent” with a PVS diagnosis.

The real elephant in the living room, of course, is whether or not we can really know how conscious anyone labeled “PVS” really is. Several studies have revealed high misdiagnosis rates, with conscious people being mistakenly regarded as totally and irrevocably unaware.

The autopsy also documented significant brain atrophy, and the medical panel called the damage “irreversible.”

This is not the same as saying she had no cognitive ability.

“It’s always seemed to us that PVS isn’t really a diagnosis; it’s a value judgment masquerading as a diagnosis,” said Stephen Drake, research analyst for Not Dead Yet, a national disability rights group that filed three amicus briefs in the case. “When it comes to the hard science, no qualified pathologist went on the record saying she couldn’t think or couldn’t experience her own death through dehydration.”

Diane Coleman, president and founder of Not Dead Yet, agreed. “The core issues remain the same. Protection of the life and dignity of people under guardianship, and a high standard of proof in removing food and water from a person who can not express their own wishes. These are issues of great concern to the disability community – evidenced by the 26 national disability groups that spoke out in favor of saving Terri Schiavo’s life over the past few years.”

It is not clear to me from the neuropathology report when and over what period the much-talked-about brain shrinkage occurred. I have also noticed that some are already mocking the claim that Terri recognized visitors (note that the report also does not appear to indicate when and over what period that loss of sight occurred).

For God’s sake.

Terri Schiavo, a profoundly disabled woman who was not terminally ill and who had an army of family members ready to care for her for the rest of her natural life, succumbed to forced dehydration at the hands of her spouse-in-name-only.

This is something to gloat about?

@anticsrocks:

So what if her condition was irreversible, she had family wanting to love and care for her. Wonder if Ron H. feels we should do away with babies born with irreversible brain damage because the parents might not want the trouble and expense of raising them.

More on the autopsy:

Physician Who Examined Schiavo for Over 10 Hours–Critical of Autopsy Report

~~~~~~

Dr. Hammesfahr has released the following statement in response to the autopsy report on Terri Schindler Schiavo:

http://www.blogsforterri.com/archives/2005/06/physician_who_e.php

MISSY i beleive the dr HAMMERFAHR, many quick diagnostic are made,,my sister after an operation could not speak and they said it was irreversable, i did not beleive it,i felt strongly that it was fluids stuck in her throat,,i start to push her to speak every day for a month and she end up speaking,she along the month time would choke and the fluids would be expelled a bit at the time until it cleared, if i would have listen,it would have stayed all her life,this is to reenforce the doctor HAMMERFAHR result of the possibility TERRY could have even not fully but improve,,bye 🙄 her own family where right to hope because they most loved her and we must never under estimate thet power of healing

My my my. You two are seriously not right in the head.

Wow. I love the knee jerk reactions from Anticsrocks and Missy. I merely pointed out some incorrect information based on a Washington Post article confirming her condition (although you present an interesting counter point Anticsrocks) was irreversible and the two of you insult me with some rather ludicrous and childish remarks.

Let’s recap what Anticsrocks had to say:

“I cannot even fathom why you would be happy about that. “You must have missed that.” Gloating over the death of an innocent woman, how nice”.

Okay since obviously you are a complete moron so let’s clear something up. I simply stated:

“You must have missed that”

So I’ll see if I can explain simple English to you since you are obviously incapable of basic comprehension you jerk off! My statement meant that you must not have seen that information or you must not be aware of the existence of such information. Do you get it now idiot? Do I need to explain it again prick?

Somehow in that twisted little pee brain of yours you come up with “I’m gloating”. Wow you are some piece of work. I thing your response says a lot about how you mind works or rather doesn’t work. Quite frankly Anticsrocks you are pathetic and irrational nutcase. I’ve been reading this website religiously and I very seldom comment. But if I feel someone is misrepresenting information, I will certainly point it out.

Again you are way off base with what you said and I don’t appreciate you accusing me of gloating. You insult me, make false accusations and completely mischaracterize what I said! I don’t much appreciate that you little prick! You can go jump off a cliff and rid of us your vile presence! Are you feeling me Anticsrocks? Can I make it any clearer for you idiot!

And Missy really? Really with this stupid comment:

“So what if her condition was irreversible, she had family wanting to love and care for her. Wonder if Ron H. feels we should do away with babies born with irreversible brain damage because the parents might not want the trouble and expense of raising them”.

Yeah you’re right I hate brain dead babies, and I also hate kittens, rainbows, cripples, elderly people, the handicap, the blind and the mentally challenged. Wow it’s amazing how you were able to discern my feelings about brain dead babies by me saying “You must have missed that.” I used to think you were a rational commenter but now you got me wondering about you. Be careful, you’re teetering on the edge of insanity. Your buddy Anticsrocks is already a lost cause but you still have a chance. Just look for the light because it will lead you out of the dark abyss where you’ve been storing your reasoning abilities.

I realize that Anticsrocks is just one giant dumbass but I expect more from you. How disappointing.

Oh and a challenge for you two geniuses. Please go back and point out to me where my posting of an article about her autopsy in any way suggests or even expresses my opinion about the Terry Schiavo case. Please you two legends of your own minds show me how merely posting an article that happened to counter Anticsrocks assertion that her condition was irreversible in any way expresses how I feel about Terry Schiavo or her family. Guess what? You can’t because you both just reached up into your arses and pulled out whatever crappy assumptions (pun intended) you needed to help quell the screaming and gnashing of teeth that occurs inside your brains when presented with opinions or facts that counter your own. Wow is the need to be right so overwhelming for you two that you have to start making false assertions. Oh wait Anticsrocks, I forgot basic reading comprehension alludes you. False assertions are made up shit! Got that?

I hope my little diatribe cleared up what my statement actually meant. And next time you two geniuses decide to post a bunch of bullshit, take and second and ask yourself, “Am I making any sense at all or am I just being an irrational and childish dumbass?’ You won’t come across like a couple of loonies if ya do.

Got it, get it, good.

Ron H.

@Ron H.:

I apologize Ron, went back to your comment, reread it, please forgive. It was simple enough to understand, don’t know why I fumbled so badly, may have been too early or my flu meds, just didn’t understand what I was reading and don’t know why. Sorry again.

PS. I know you really, really unloaded on me, didn’t bother to read it all, first couple of sentences were quite enough. 😉

Oh a quick correction as I know Missy is a stickler for details. Or rather she used to be.

She said :

“babies born with irreversible brain damage”

And I quoted her as saying “Brain dead babies” which of course isn’t the same thing. You see I like to correct mistakes rather than make stuff up!

Ron H.

Please, do not notify me anymore.

Missy
It’s okay. Your comments weren’t as bad as Anticsrocks actually. I just felt really attacked. But apology accepted. And for the record I do really feel for the Schiavo family as well as Terri. But I was torn about her predicament. On the one hand I believe in the sanctity of life, on the other hand I would not personally want to live the rest of my life in that state. In fact I have a living will giving my family permission to pull the plug if I should ever wind up in her state. I often wondered what poor Terri was feeling or thinking. Did she want to go on like that or end her suffering? It’s a hard topic to tackle.

Besides, she’s with God now, and that is far better than the state she was in.

Sorry I unloaded Missy. I get REALLY defensive when I’m attacked.

We’re cool. No hard feelings.

Take Care

Ron H.

T Holmes:
Are you talking to me?

Ron H.

I think Mr. Holmes left the “Notify me when new comments are added” box checked and is now wondering why he’s recieved several dozen seemingly-unwanted e-mails.

RON H,you have to whatch your burst of anger,it is not normal in this situation where no one insult you and don’t have to take it so it is dangerous for your future and present sanity,,further more, 🙄 ,i hear and heard many peoples who said ,,if they are to become in a vulnerable situation that they want to end life,,well when it happen if it happen it’s known that all of them change their mind and hope that their loved one help them,bye

H….I too apologize. Your “diatribe” showed that you have thin skin. I mean calling me on the carpet about my gloating is one thing, but to call me name after name without ME calling you on it is quite another.

I wait for your apology for over-reacting.

BTW, in the future you might want to be a bit more clear on what you post and why.

Ummmm ilovebeeswarzone:

Apparently you didn’t even read my entire post. I was insulted. Here is the what Anticsrocks said again that was so insulting to me:

“I cannot even fathom why you would be happy about that. “You must have missed that.” Gloating over the death of an innocent woman, how nice”.

Now if you honestly can see that Anticsrocks is suggesting that I am happy about Terri’s death as well as that I am “gloating”, then you aren’t paying attention.

Missy has since apologized so I have no quarrel with her as I know she is one of the most reasoned commentators on here.

By the way I noticed your comments have some slightly broken English usage. I’m assuming that this means English isn’t your first language. This might be why you didn’t understand the insult thrown my way.

Where are you from? I’m just curious.

Ron H.

Hey Anticsrocks:
I don’t have a thin skin, I just believe in fighting back hard when someone takes a verbal swing at me. I wasn’t even angry when I wrote that believe it or not. And you have a valid point that I came at you quite hard with the name calling. I do apologize for that. I’m just the type a guy who when attacked, will come at you twice as hard. It’s just my way.

If a guy pulls a knife, I’ll pull a gun. If a guy pulls a gun, I’ll pull a bozooka! You know the saying.

And I will be clearer in what I am posting next time if you agree that rather than attacking me first, you’ll just ask me what I meant first.

Okay so everything is good in the FA universe.

Take Care

There has been an excellent point illustrated by our FA faithful, we need to be extremely careful how we express ourselves and in our comprehension: if people from the same side of an argument can get into a cyber knock down drag out over a simple point that was misconstrued at some point, and I don’t care where, think how careful we need to be with people from the opposite end of the political spectrum. Seriously, to quote a ballerina, “We don’t want to let a crisis go to waste”, a politically witless comment; however the Dems are near a crisis melt down situation. Many Obama voters will be reaching out for an alternative, and frankly, logical discussion and argument will attract more people than harsh accusation and name calling. Remember this was a simple point being discussed by two people on the same side of a question. We will hopefully have people from across the aisle wander around our site for the next six months with ideas that may sound like an antithesis of logic; but these people are not going to set up camp like our resident trolls, they will be searching. Offering a logical alternative will sway some of them, slinging manure will drive them back to the enemy perimeter.

PS- I have been found guilty on both counts, expression and comprehension.

Long Live the Republic!

RON H hi to tell you where i come from,,i was born in MONTREAL city of la belle province de as they call it on every cars licences QUEBEC …fotgive my miss and errors in english language,but i am doing my comments directly from my hearth and soul not from dictionary that is yelling at me to open it,,bye 🙄

hi SKOOKUM ..all you said is absolutly very important to be reminded from time to times ,,thank you…how come you’r not with the horses at this time,did you take off? or just miss us too much,,bye 🙄

Bees, I enjoy your company; but no, I don’t take time off to commune with my cyber friends. I am self employed, I go out when and where I have calls. A few years ago, I worked seven days a week and it would take 3 to 4 months for an appointment. Now many of my wealthiest customers have gone broke or nearly so, thus my work has become intermittent, that is the nature of business. Thus when I am at my keyboard, you know that Skookum is losing money. I should have retired years ago; but a divorce and the quest to strike the mother lode has kept me teetering on the edge of being bankrupt for several years. I am not looking for a shoulder to cry on; but you asked. While the political climate and the worsening economic situation adds to my frustration: FA with freedom loving people like yourself restore my faith and soothe my troubled heart.

Oh, I’m not sure why you use “roll” as a suffix at the end of your posts; but I like it and smile inside when I see the word. It was a polite way to show respect in the Martial Arts Dojos, I used to work out in, when you asked someone to spar with you, you would say, “Do you want to roll?”- but a more important significance is the passengers who fought for control of the hijacked plane over PA said, “Let’s Roll!” just before the turned on the high jackers. I think this phrase will become like “Remember The Alamo”, “Remember The Maine”, and “Gung Ho” and many other phrases that reflect bravery in America. Saying it reflects the honor and respect you have for these men who gave it their all and stopped another worse potential disaster on 9/11.

Let’s Roll!

SKOOKUM the firs time i read ..let’s roll.. it was from your comments,i learn so much from you and sometimes i will use thoses words in my comments ..every business get a rough time is in it
hopefully the trend will change as we trying to have it change in the near future,, 🙄 bye

H…I accept your apology and yes, I agree that I should have asked for clarification. Again, I apologize for painting you with a broad brush and expecting the worst from your comment. In all fairness, that last part where you said I must have missed that did seem as if you were intimating that I lied about Ms. Schiavo or that you were at the very least gloating that you were right about her possible brain damage.

Again, my apologies for doing to you what I detest in those folks on the left.

@Skookum…point taken, I agree with you.

ANTICSROCKS,,you have a special place in my box 🙄 bye

Anyone that loves bees is okay in my book! 8)

BRob,

How are we given an opportunity to “opt out?” You make it sound like the recently past legislations and political stances of our president are lenient. This idea is nothing short of laughable just like most of the comments you have written ever since you came to this blog. Since when is making it law to punish those who don’t purchase health care coverage considered giving us an option? Of course it’s not and it never will, it only is in your fantasies. Other socialists in history did not give their people any means to “opt out,” neither do the ones in this country, which many people from all political parties are coming to their senses and beginning to realize. 🙄 (things are looking up I guess!)

As far as my failure to make an argument worthy of your ignorance is concerned, you really need to look at your own comment to spot your superfluously circular logic. You call your vision a utopia, yet it involves impoverishing the people who you disagree with politically. How is this vision a fair representation of a utopia?

So the person in your vision who pays higher taxes gets full coverage for education and health care. Well what if this person is obese and smokes heavily leading to a compromised; cardio-respiratory system, immune system, and nervous system? Considering the health problems this person subjected his or herself to, he or she probably has medical bills that are astronomical in quantification and so do the millions of other people in this society.

Therefore, even with higher taxes, statistically these people will still need the financial help from the people you deem as “lone wolves,” or the people who would prefer lower taxes but get nothing because they disagree with the almighty creator of this pseudo-utopia known as BRob, in order to pay for their medical situation because the higher taxes aren’t enough. Still, the “lone wolves” (your words, not mine) who are working hard and still thriving despite being alone with the exception of themselves (liberals, conservatives, moderates, etc.), gets nothing?

This does not sound like a utopia, since in a utopia no one will be a part of an elite that gets a higher allocation of resources like the ones in your vision. Your vision presents a society whose moral and political flaws will eventually lead to a bloody uprising in retribution for its abuses, quiet the contrary to what defines a utopia or a politically and morally perfect society. Thus, in conclusion, you’re silly rant is an invalid argument because your thinking (or lack thereof) is completely flawed. Although nobody needs to point out the asininity of your logic since this lack of veracity is entirely obvious to everyone who comes across your commentary here.

B-Rob the Liar, Waster of Air and Time, Believer in Unicorns, has no faith that his utopian society can exist without extorting from those that don’t believe in his unicorns. If he did believe that this utopia was possible, it is fully within the realm of current law for these like minded individuals to form a cooperative where they self-fund their dream. They don’t pursue such an endeavor because they know full well that it is a bankrupt proposition.

You really make it appear so easy with your presentation but I to find this matter to be really something that I feel I’d never understand. It sort of feels too complex and very huge for me. I’m having a look ahead for your subsequent put up, I will attempt to get the hold of it!