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John: I agree that allowing these moonbats some freedom to spout their lunacy does serve a purpose. The problem I have is when they totally hijack the comments and attempt to distract us all from the subject of the post.
The topic of this post was supposed to be about holding Dems accountable for their promises and lies on health care. Instead it turned into a demonstration in race baiting.
Some of the discussion above was useful in demonstrating once again that a lib like Rich will use unfounded accusations at the drop of a hat and paint us all with the racist brush. But after debunking his comments again and again and AGAIN, it served no purpose to permit him to continue.
It’s time we hold these libs accountable for their lies on health care as well as their lies on race. And I invite the readers here to put in their two cents on what level of moderation is appropriate.
Mike’sA: P.S. Mata, no comment on Rush’s admission today? I wouldn’t bring it up but you seem to want me to….
Adding presumed mind reading to your resume, Mike? No clue what you are discussing. I had a friend where he said Rush said he felt that he was wrong and that the GOP showing up at the summit was a mistake because it lent an air of “legitimacy” by their presence. Considering that the bill that was passed by the House… the Senate amended version of HR 3590… had none of the GOP presented ideas that Obama promised to add, I found that an interesting, but erroneous remark.
But I won’t expound further since I would risk being deleted for being off topic by the 1st amendment thread nanny.
Thank you John. I appreciate your support. Frankly I don’t understand why some others who shall be nameless (see above) would rather coddle these loons, but that’s their choice.
Last insult hurled at me personally, Mike. See ya. This thread now lives in my email filter bin. ta ta
@MataHarley: Well you can read it out of your spam filter. Rush was very magnanimous today in praising the GOP leadership, especially Boehner and admitting he was wrong about how he felt the House vote would go.
And yes, I do think you coddle these loons. You like playing with them like a cat plays with a mouse. But then, when my cat finally killed the mouse I was the one left to clean up the mess.
Skookum
14 years ago
Mike, FA provides a theater of ideas; readers load up on material for debate and input to formulate their own ideas. That is a profound service for the cause of Freedom. Yes, we have disagreements; the founding fathers anticipated debate and encouraged the exchange of ideas. Some people log on just to say, “Hurah, for our side” for whatever their reason, that is there contribution: and I say good for them, they want to hang with companeros and we provide comfort in that they know they are not alone. Others can throw stuff into the ring that makes you say, “Oh my, there are some serous thinkers out there” so all in all, Curt has provided a wee corner of the world where we can gather and deliberate.
Now if you journey to the Lib or Socialist sites, each comment is an exercise in profanity and who can be the most clever at saying the same thing forever, not exactly an intellectual exercise. I think those people with cerebral function above that of a gibbon, eventually tire of the endless primary schoolyard taunts; you cant blame them for wanting to hang out here, however, we don’t need to adopt nor endure the intellectual capacity of the lowest common denominator to accommodate lost and bewildered Liberals.
They should be up to the task of intelligent debate and be able to verify any and all accusations or, I say, drop kick them through the goalpost of life. I realize Liberals and Socialists are by nature and psychological disease intellectually compromised; however, their personal problems are their problems and not ours. Unless they can compete in the arena of ideas, they should go back to the Manure throwing Lib sites and hone their skills if they want to run with the big dogs.
I see the comments on my phone that they leave in the middle of the night: such comments are deleted by you our field grade officers, as they should be; but the cowardly method they employ and the language is disgusting, this is the heart and soul of the Liberal blog sites, this is what they have to offer, whether they have a graduate degree or some time in the service.
I promise to defend my statements until proven wrong, if I can’t back them up, they aren’t valid. I am not a great researcher like our officers, but the stuff I write is rooted in fact, not hallucinogenic visions of wild eyed Marxists. I will battle in the arena of ideas, but to cross swords in a battle of insults is beneath my dignity. In other words, in my humble opinion, if the Socialists and Communists want to argue here, they should be expected to engage with honor and dignity.
Robert Service said it best in these few words: The Law Of The Yukon
This is the Law of the Yukon, and ever she makes it plain:
Send not your foolish and feeble; send me your strong and your sane
Strong for the red rage of battle; sane, for I harry them sore;
Send me men girt for the combat, men who are grit to the core;
Swift as the panther in triumph, fierce as the bear in defeat,
Sired of a bulldog parent, steeled in the furnace heat.
Send me the best of your breeding, lend me your chosen ones;
Them I will take to my bosom, them will I call my sons;
Them will I gild with m treasure, them will I glut with my meat;
But the others-the misfits, the failures- I trample under my feet.
Dissolute, damned, and despairful, crippled and palsied and slain,
Ye would send me the spawn of your gutters- Go! take back your spawn again
Wild and wide are my borders, stern as death is my sway;
From my ruthless throne I have ruled for a million years and a day;
Hugging my mighty treasure, waiting for man to come
Till he swept like a turbid torrent, and after him swept- the scum
The pallid pimp of the dead-line, the envervate of the pen, one by one I weeded them out, for all that I sought was men.
One by one I dismayed them, frighting them sore with my glooms;
One by one I betrayed them unto my manifold dooms.
Drowned them like rats in my rivers, starved them like curs on my plains,
Rotted the flesh that was left them, poisoned the blood in their veins;
Burst with my winter upon them, searing forever their sight,
Lashed them with fungus-white faces, whimpering wild in the night.
Staggering blind through the storm whirl, stumbling mad through the snow,
Frozen stiff in the ice pack, brittle and bent like a bow;
Featureless, formless, forsaken, scented by wolves in their fight,
Left for the wind to make music through ribs that are glittering white;
Gnawing the black crust of failure, searching the pit of despair,
Crooking the toe in the trigger, trying to patter a prayer;
Going outside with an escort, raving with lips all afoam.
Writing a check for a million, driveling feebly of home;
Lost like louse in the burning… or else the tented town.
Seeking a drunkard’s solace, sinking and sinking down;
Steeped in the slime at the bottom, dead to a decent world,
Lost ‘mid the human flotsam, far on the frontier hurled;
In the camp at the bend in the river; with its dozen saloons aglare,
Crimped with the crimes of a city, sin-ridden and bridled with lies,
In the hush of mountain vastness, in the flush of mid-night skies.
…Many lines more until the last
This is the Law of the Yukon, that only the strong shall thrive;
That surely the weak shall perish, and only the fit survive.
Dissolute, damned and despairful, crippled palsied and slain
This is the Will of the Yukon,- Lo, how she makes it plain.
This how we should judge and treat our Liberal, Socialist and Communist visitors; with the Law of The Yukon. And for those who have read my stories and wondered why Life sounded so harsh and tragic in the land of forty below, this poem should give you a slight understanding of life in the Far North.
Skookum
14 years ago
AC, you caught me flat footed with the ‘savage breasts’, oh what pun! 🙄 Now, my passions are all aflame with just the thought.
I have one hung up in the cyber snare! on this thread.
@Skookum: Don’t know why that previous comment of yours got caught in spam. There were no links in it. It kept bouncing from spam to pending even when I approved it. Go figure.
BRob
14 years ago
Mike, Mike, Mike . . . I think I need to address something you wrote above — “I just wouldn’t have considered that part of the tea party racist accusations… which I did weigh in myself on above as horse manure sans proof.”
The accusation: teabaggers called John Lewis a “n*gger.”
Someone (was it Little Dog? I forget who) said, in essence, if something is not on video, it did not happen. This, of course, is beyond nonsensical. Because, for example, the inclusion of the so called “Louisiana Purchase” in Obamacare was not on tape. But we know it happened, don’t we? How? Because various people have discussed it happening and they made a paper trail.
Now about the John Lewis “n*gger” remark — You, Bill Bennett and instapundit Glenn Reynolds claim, with no supporting facts, that it never happened. Neither you nor Bennett nor Glenn Reynolds were present in Washington at the day and time that John Lewis, a son of the South, says he was slurred with a word he knows oh so well.
Now who was there in Washington at that date and time? John Lewis was there and reported what happened to him. Barney Frank was there, too, and he was called a f”ggot. It is no leap of logic to think that those same knuckledraggers who would call a gay man a f”ggot would call a Black man a n*gger. One Black Congressman got spat on and someone was arrested, but not charged. Again, if you are willing to spit on a Black member of Congress, you are not above calling another one a n*gger, seems to me.
Who else was there? Congressman Cleaver, who witnessed the slur. Both Cleaver and Lewis timely reported it.
Who else was in Washington on Capitol Hill? Why the GOPers were. Have you noticed that none of them have claimed that the incident did not happen? Nope; I don’t recall a single one who has denied it happened . . . even though you and Glenn Reynolds [who were not there] claim it did not happen. Reading between the lines, you can make a few conclusions. (a) That they know Lewis and Cleaver and trust their honesty; (b) the GOPers heard through other sources they trust [like their staffers, media people, or other GOPers] that the incident occurred the way Lewis and Cleaver said it did; or (c) they witnessed it, or something similar, first hand, and thus believe what Lewis reported was not beyond the pale.
Who else was in Washington? The teabaggers. Again, I have not heard a single teabagger who was present in Washington claiming it did not happen. They have, instead, distanced themselves. If an incident never occured, and you knew it did not occur, there would be no reason to distance your organization.
Who else was in Washington? The press. I have not seen anyone report that they heard this first hand. But, again, like the GOPers in Washington, they must have heard from a reliable source that it happened, hence the complete absence of any member of the press (inlcuding National Review, Weekly Standard, Fox News, etc.) claiming it did not happen.
So what do we have, in balance? You, Bennett and Reynolds, who were not there, claiming it did not happen based on . . . well, your own say so.
On the other side, you have the victim claiming it happened, other incidents that show how unhinged the teabaggers had become that day, the absence of any denials by GOPers who were on Capitol Hill that day, press reports that the incidents occurred, and the absence of any dispute from the teabaggers themselves . . . only a distancing from the incidents . . . “the actions of a few should not taint the entire movement” . . . blah blah blah.
Starting with the eye witness accounts, adding in the other events, and the reactions of those present at the time, there is considerable evidence that John Lewis, a member of Congress, was called a “n*gger” by teabaggers on Saturday March 20, 2010. You, on the other hand, have no evidence (or even a rational argument) that would tend to establish that it did not happen. Er, facial!
I appreciate and return the sentiment. You may not see me for a while, as I’ve accepted the daunting challenge of writing a screenplay in 30 days, all while starting a new position at the baseball stadium as season starts. So all of my free time will be usurped during April. (that doesn’t mean, however, that I won’t be paying attention!)
I agree with Skookum that our country needs these kind of debates and exchanges of ideas, and that our Founders encouraged them (I’d also love to talk with him about Shakespeare sometime, as he seems to know quite a bit, and my own acting career has been primarily the Bard in the past decade or so…).
While who’s “right and wrong” may be a factor in many discussions, I think perspective comes into play quite a bit, as well. My favorite example is that my view of guns, living in NYC, are going to be naturally different than a person’s who lives in Alaska, and that if we understand from which angle the other sees the issue, we can find some common ground. As a “bleeding heart liberal”, I’ve found much common ground with Conservatives and refuse accept the view of each other as “enemies”. I recently had a discussion with an older friend, on an issue we both agreed on. At one point he said, “But I bet you know the other side of this, don’t you? What is it?”
I did, I told him, and he got it. And that’s because I have the sort of discourse with folk such that I find here at FA.
Skookum
14 years ago
Cary, I assume you know that William is considered to be the greatest wordsmith that ever lived. It has been estimated that his vocabulary was over 40,000 words and the average college graduate’s vocabulary is between 3500 and 4500 words.
I suppose you know that he had sold out crowds with standing room only, the penny stinkards. I assume you have acted as a Shakespearean for the last decade;o you know that Will competed with the whipping of nude women, the torture and rendering of people, dog fighting, bear baiting, and public executions, not to mention the bordellos that proliferated bankside, including The Rose that was directly behind The Globe. The same that is so often misquoted, A rose that was a bordello, a flower, and a woman’s most intimate anatomy.
After ten years of that, you should be able to write a screenplay in one night, sleep on it and with a bottle of good red wine, flesh it out the next night. Thirty days, please, we are not writing War and Peace.
Actually, on a more serious note; may I suggest a novel. If it merits the attention, write the screen play. Many a screenplay has followed a novel, the inverse has rarely been successful.
Cary, let’s be practical; you are thinking like a Liberal. A novel is 120 pages; you should plan on writing 5 to 10 pages a night, rework 10 pages in one night. This must be a production of work, not a lollygag. Write in rough form and come back to proofread. Love stories and adventure/intrigue sell well. Get off your arse Cary, this isn’t a dress rehearsal: if you wan to write, get it done.
@BRob: Your a known liar BLOB. I am not going to waste any more time on your attempt to fan the flames of racism and hate in this country with more wild and unproveable lies.
@Cary: What are you doing at the ballpark? Is the screenplay about me?
It is an honor to have you here keeping us honest. If every Dem (and many Repubs) were like you, this country wouldn’t be in this situation. An open mind can not be overtaken.
Please keep in touch. As for me, I will miss you while you’re gone.
You are a breath of fresh air. (That sound you hear is BRob’s head expolding.)
(PS Mike only wants it to be about him… 🙂 *ducks and runs*)
@pragpro: I see one of my little moonbats has escaped from the cage at Mike’s America!
Come on in Parrot (that’s the nickname we gave him at M.A.) You’ll find you get shredded here a lot faster than you do in the cozy cage I keep for you.
ObiMo
14 years ago
-When people with pre-existing conditions are still dying because the bill won’t cover them until years after their death their families will remember who voted for this bill.
-When the cost of this program skyrockets far above today’s projections and explodes the deficit voters will remember who voted for this bill.
-When the IRS comes knocking on the door demanding we buy insurance or be fined or go to jail, voters will remember who voted for this bill.
Where are you getting your information? None of the above is correct. 1. The bill forces insurance companies to cover anyone with pre-existing conditions. 2. The cost of the program cuts costs over 10 years, according to the NON-PARTISAN CBO. 3. If you don’t pay for insurance you CANNOT go to jail. Get your facts straight before threatening consequences.
@ObiMo: I guess you haven’t been keeping up with the FACTS Obambi lover!
I’ll make you a deal: When the cost of this bill skyrockets, when premiums rise faster than they already would, when the IRS demands you sign up for insurance or pay a fine, when businesses don’t hire new workers, you promise to stop voting for all time and never say another word.
I’ll do the same if I am wrong.
Something tells me you won’t be taking the bet.
You have to be a complete fool to believe the promises of a man who has already broken nearly every promise he has ever made.
You have to be a complete fool to believe that somehow THIS big government boondoogle will be different from all the other big government boondoggles.
-When people with pre-existing conditions are still dying because the bill won’t cover them until years after their death their families will remember who voted for this bill.
1. The bill forces insurance companies to cover anyone with pre-existing conditions.
Starting when?
That’s right….the coverage for children doesn’t begin right away.
So, when children with pre-existing conditions are still dying because the bill won’t cover them, their families will remember who voted for this bill.
-When the cost of this program skyrockets far above today’s projections and explodes the deficit voters will remember who voted for this bill.
2. The cost of the program cuts costs over 10 years, according to the NON-PARTISAN CBO.
Not, not exactly.
Remember…the taxation starts immediately. The benefits, not so much.
Then, when you examine the creative accounting, the double counting, and the sleight of hand tricks in the bill, there are no savings.
There is, however, a $2.5 trillion cost.
-When the IRS comes knocking on the door demanding we buy insurance or be fined or go to jail, voters will remember who voted for this bill.
3. If you don’t pay for insurance you CANNOT go to jail. Get your facts straight before threatening consequences.
Umm….this bill uses the IRS as its’ enforcement mechanism.
That mechanism, as you may or may not know, doesn’t necessarily jail you right away, but IRS agents most certainly have that authority.
And if you think that going to jail for not paying your taxes doesn’t happen, give Wesley Snipes a call.
Where are you getting your information? None of the above is correct.
Yes, where are you getting your information?
Because none of the information you gave above is correct.
pragpro
14 years ago
Mike Miller, do you think these comments help your cause? No wonder the only thing less popular then the Congress are the Republicans in Congress. Say hello to Jeff Gannon, for me.
pragpro
14 years ago
Hey Miller, I bet that all the government lard that you suck into you never comes back to the treasury. Give the people their money back. What did you do for the money we gave you? What were the names of the Corporations that you lobbied for in-between revolving off the public teat? I know democracy is a big pain in the ass for you, but we figured the gated community we paid for you to live in would make you appreciate the people more. You were against medicare before you were for it, trick. 🙄
pragpro
14 years ago
You guys are so tough, you delete evidence, let’s try this again.
Of course, Mike denies all of these incidents that the GOP and Tea Party are now condemning. All the evidence is from ultra-left websites like FOX-News, Roger Simon’s Politico, and the nefarious Kansas City Star, oh and these 700+ other sources for this any the many other cases.
[DELETED COMMENT OF UNREPENTANT LYING RACEBAITER BANNED FROM THIS THREAD FOR FAILURE TO RETRACT HIS LIES AND APOLOGIZE TO READERS FOR INSINUATING THEY ARE RACISTS!]
pragpro
14 years ago
Mike, threatening to put someone “in a cage”, goes on your permanent record. I’m really not afraid. Really.
With all the free speech restrictions, Mike’s America more resembles the “People’s Republic” of China. Everyone on this thread see the messages in their e-mail in-box before you delete them, insane person.
pragpro
14 years ago
Sarah Palin is reading her hands again. I love it. Please nominate Sarah for the Tea Party, let’s say Mitch Daniels for the GOP, and Butch Otter for the Bull Moose ticket.
@Aye Chihuahua: Oh, gee Aye. I don’t know how comfortable I am with this censorship 🙄 🙄
Parrot just threatened me at my blog. Apparently he feels I am responsible for the demise of the blog “Mike’s Dumb America.”
Parrot’s a harmless, hapless and brainless little troll. I almost feel sorry for him.
It’s not like the guy who thought he had my actual name address and telephone number and posted it on the Daily Kos diaries with what he thought was a map to my house. The idiot got the wrong Mike.
And this was happening long before Democrats took the microphones screeching about how threatened they feel by Tea partiers.
What we are seeing today is a Keystone cops version of left wing fascists.
Not only that, but he also invented many of the words and phrases we still use today! I own the Shakespeare Lexicon by Alexander Schmidt, which contains and defines every word the Bard used and is 1,484 pages in two volumes of very small print! I posted something I think you’d like on this on my blog sometime ago:
I actually started out doing musical theatre, which was what I originally came to NYC to study. When I got out of the conservatory, most of the work I got was in dramatic straight plays. I decided that studying Shakespeare would make me a better actor (the way ballet is the foundation of dance), and got hooked! I ended up studying with an amazing teacher (who wrote THIS BOOK), who taught us to find the acting clues in the First Folio. He also taught us to find the “bawdy”, first using Juliet’s “Gallup Apace” speech – read it with a dirty mind and you’ll be shocked! No wonder it appealed so much to the groundlings as much as the gentlefolk! I ended up doing Shakespeare, as well as Moliere and Rostand (toured the US with Cyrano right after 9/11 – amazing experience.) Unfortunately, sticking to classical theatre is rather limiting, from a perspective a “making a living” career wise, so I’m branching myself out now, hopefully with the original goal of being a better actor somewhat accomplished.
I may work on a novel sometime in the future, but the thing I’m doing now is Script Frenzy, with 14,208 writer participating so far, which I’m really excited about. Thanks so much for the pep talk, it’s the best I’ve gotten yet for this!
I’m working at Yankees Stadium again this season, only this year they’ve promoted me to a server inside the 5 Star Diamond, members only Legends Club (where Guliani, among other high profile people eat before a game.) I’m hoping this pans out for me financially, so I can invest in my own career, and market myself more properly. So, I’ll have to take the time to really learn the menu and wine list, and get things moving. The Yankees helped me keep my head above water last year, and the managers liked me, so this year I should be able to get ahead! So my Yankee fandom is a bit more personal than the game itself, which I already enjoy immensely. Go Yankees!
In a nutshell, my screenplay is a horror/thriller (not a bloody slasher-fest) involving evil entities who hide by blending themselves into New York City nightlife (Linda Blair could be there with her head spinning, and nobody would blink!), and, Mike, I highly doubt you’d ever find yourself in the trap my young and naive protagonist gets himself into! 😉
Wow, thank you so much. A friend of mine recently asked why I bother debating with conservatives, since I could “never win”. I said that I’m not looking to win, but to have honest discussions about things that affect all of us, with intelligent and great people, which is what I get here. Civil discussion forces us to be informed, and there’s nothing wrong with that, no matter how you look at it!
Yeah, I’m a fan of nearly every genre, though I don’t pay to see sophomoric comedies on the big screen! My favorite horror flicks aren’t the Texas Chainsaw types, but more in the Jaws/ Silence of the Lambs/ Psycho vein – with well written characters and strong acting.
Peeked at your page Cary and found this and it shocked me:
French toast with two eggs, over easy. I eat the eggs first so that the yolk spills onto the toast, which I almost never finish.
That’s my favorite breakfast too, and will do the same with pancakes, love the way the flavor mixes! Just can’t have the bottomless cup of coffee.
I don’t enjoy being scared by movies. I did see Jaws a few times and was re-scared again. The worst movie for me was Sophie’s Choice, I mourned what happened in that movie for a long, long time. = = well written and strong acting.
I wish you well, enjoy that promotion at the stadium, sounds really exciting!
Cary
14 years ago
@Missy:
Thanks! I’ll have to try that with pancakes!
MATA,is it basic dow ….?i have that from RICH in my gmailcomment come back?
John: I agree that allowing these moonbats some freedom to spout their lunacy does serve a purpose. The problem I have is when they totally hijack the comments and attempt to distract us all from the subject of the post.
The topic of this post was supposed to be about holding Dems accountable for their promises and lies on health care. Instead it turned into a demonstration in race baiting.
Some of the discussion above was useful in demonstrating once again that a lib like Rich will use unfounded accusations at the drop of a hat and paint us all with the racist brush. But after debunking his comments again and again and AGAIN, it served no purpose to permit him to continue.
It’s time we hold these libs accountable for their lies on health care as well as their lies on race. And I invite the readers here to put in their two cents on what level of moderation is appropriate.
Adding presumed mind reading to your resume, Mike? No clue what you are discussing. I had a friend where he said Rush said he felt that he was wrong and that the GOP showing up at the summit was a mistake because it lent an air of “legitimacy” by their presence. Considering that the bill that was passed by the House… the Senate amended version of HR 3590… had none of the GOP presented ideas that Obama promised to add, I found that an interesting, but erroneous remark.
But I won’t expound further since I would risk being deleted for being off topic by the 1st amendment thread nanny.
Last insult hurled at me personally, Mike. See ya. This thread now lives in my email filter bin. ta ta
@MataHarley: Well you can read it out of your spam filter. Rush was very magnanimous today in praising the GOP leadership, especially Boehner and admitting he was wrong about how he felt the House vote would go.
And yes, I do think you coddle these loons. You like playing with them like a cat plays with a mouse. But then, when my cat finally killed the mouse I was the one left to clean up the mess.
Mike, FA provides a theater of ideas; readers load up on material for debate and input to formulate their own ideas. That is a profound service for the cause of Freedom. Yes, we have disagreements; the founding fathers anticipated debate and encouraged the exchange of ideas. Some people log on just to say, “Hurah, for our side” for whatever their reason, that is there contribution: and I say good for them, they want to hang with companeros and we provide comfort in that they know they are not alone. Others can throw stuff into the ring that makes you say, “Oh my, there are some serous thinkers out there” so all in all, Curt has provided a wee corner of the world where we can gather and deliberate.
Now if you journey to the Lib or Socialist sites, each comment is an exercise in profanity and who can be the most clever at saying the same thing forever, not exactly an intellectual exercise. I think those people with cerebral function above that of a gibbon, eventually tire of the endless primary schoolyard taunts; you cant blame them for wanting to hang out here, however, we don’t need to adopt nor endure the intellectual capacity of the lowest common denominator to accommodate lost and bewildered Liberals.
They should be up to the task of intelligent debate and be able to verify any and all accusations or, I say, drop kick them through the goalpost of life. I realize Liberals and Socialists are by nature and psychological disease intellectually compromised; however, their personal problems are their problems and not ours. Unless they can compete in the arena of ideas, they should go back to the Manure throwing Lib sites and hone their skills if they want to run with the big dogs.
I see the comments on my phone that they leave in the middle of the night: such comments are deleted by you our field grade officers, as they should be; but the cowardly method they employ and the language is disgusting, this is the heart and soul of the Liberal blog sites, this is what they have to offer, whether they have a graduate degree or some time in the service.
I promise to defend my statements until proven wrong, if I can’t back them up, they aren’t valid. I am not a great researcher like our officers, but the stuff I write is rooted in fact, not hallucinogenic visions of wild eyed Marxists. I will battle in the arena of ideas, but to cross swords in a battle of insults is beneath my dignity. In other words, in my humble opinion, if the Socialists and Communists want to argue here, they should be expected to engage with honor and dignity.
Robert Service said it best in these few words: The Law Of The Yukon
This is the Law of the Yukon, and ever she makes it plain:
Send not your foolish and feeble; send me your strong and your sane
Strong for the red rage of battle; sane, for I harry them sore;
Send me men girt for the combat, men who are grit to the core;
Swift as the panther in triumph, fierce as the bear in defeat,
Sired of a bulldog parent, steeled in the furnace heat.
Send me the best of your breeding, lend me your chosen ones;
Them I will take to my bosom, them will I call my sons;
Them will I gild with m treasure, them will I glut with my meat;
But the others-the misfits, the failures- I trample under my feet.
Dissolute, damned, and despairful, crippled and palsied and slain,
Ye would send me the spawn of your gutters- Go! take back your spawn again
Wild and wide are my borders, stern as death is my sway;
From my ruthless throne I have ruled for a million years and a day;
Hugging my mighty treasure, waiting for man to come
Till he swept like a turbid torrent, and after him swept- the scum
The pallid pimp of the dead-line, the envervate of the pen, one by one I weeded them out, for all that I sought was men.
One by one I dismayed them, frighting them sore with my glooms;
One by one I betrayed them unto my manifold dooms.
Drowned them like rats in my rivers, starved them like curs on my plains,
Rotted the flesh that was left them, poisoned the blood in their veins;
Burst with my winter upon them, searing forever their sight,
Lashed them with fungus-white faces, whimpering wild in the night.
Staggering blind through the storm whirl, stumbling mad through the snow,
Frozen stiff in the ice pack, brittle and bent like a bow;
Featureless, formless, forsaken, scented by wolves in their fight,
Left for the wind to make music through ribs that are glittering white;
Gnawing the black crust of failure, searching the pit of despair,
Crooking the toe in the trigger, trying to patter a prayer;
Going outside with an escort, raving with lips all afoam.
Writing a check for a million, driveling feebly of home;
Lost like louse in the burning… or else the tented town.
Seeking a drunkard’s solace, sinking and sinking down;
Steeped in the slime at the bottom, dead to a decent world,
Lost ‘mid the human flotsam, far on the frontier hurled;
In the camp at the bend in the river; with its dozen saloons aglare,
Crimped with the crimes of a city, sin-ridden and bridled with lies,
In the hush of mountain vastness, in the flush of mid-night skies.
…Many lines more until the last
This is the Law of the Yukon, that only the strong shall thrive;
That surely the weak shall perish, and only the fit survive.
Dissolute, damned and despairful, crippled palsied and slain
This is the Will of the Yukon,- Lo, how she makes it plain.
This how we should judge and treat our Liberal, Socialist and Communist visitors; with the Law of The Yukon. And for those who have read my stories and wondered why Life sounded so harsh and tragic in the land of forty below, this poem should give you a slight understanding of life in the Far North.
AC, you caught me flat footed with the ‘savage breasts’, oh what pun! 🙄 Now, my passions are all aflame with just the thought.
I have one hung up in the cyber snare! on this thread.
@Skookum: Don’t know why that previous comment of yours got caught in spam. There were no links in it. It kept bouncing from spam to pending even when I approved it. Go figure.
Mike, Mike, Mike . . . I think I need to address something you wrote above — “I just wouldn’t have considered that part of the tea party racist accusations… which I did weigh in myself on above as horse manure sans proof.”
The accusation: teabaggers called John Lewis a “n*gger.”
Someone (was it Little Dog? I forget who) said, in essence, if something is not on video, it did not happen. This, of course, is beyond nonsensical. Because, for example, the inclusion of the so called “Louisiana Purchase” in Obamacare was not on tape. But we know it happened, don’t we? How? Because various people have discussed it happening and they made a paper trail.
Now about the John Lewis “n*gger” remark — You, Bill Bennett and instapundit Glenn Reynolds claim, with no supporting facts, that it never happened. Neither you nor Bennett nor Glenn Reynolds were present in Washington at the day and time that John Lewis, a son of the South, says he was slurred with a word he knows oh so well.
Now who was there in Washington at that date and time? John Lewis was there and reported what happened to him. Barney Frank was there, too, and he was called a f”ggot. It is no leap of logic to think that those same knuckledraggers who would call a gay man a f”ggot would call a Black man a n*gger. One Black Congressman got spat on and someone was arrested, but not charged. Again, if you are willing to spit on a Black member of Congress, you are not above calling another one a n*gger, seems to me.
Who else was there? Congressman Cleaver, who witnessed the slur. Both Cleaver and Lewis timely reported it.
Who else was in Washington on Capitol Hill? Why the GOPers were. Have you noticed that none of them have claimed that the incident did not happen? Nope; I don’t recall a single one who has denied it happened . . . even though you and Glenn Reynolds [who were not there] claim it did not happen. Reading between the lines, you can make a few conclusions. (a) That they know Lewis and Cleaver and trust their honesty; (b) the GOPers heard through other sources they trust [like their staffers, media people, or other GOPers] that the incident occurred the way Lewis and Cleaver said it did; or (c) they witnessed it, or something similar, first hand, and thus believe what Lewis reported was not beyond the pale.
Who else was in Washington? The teabaggers. Again, I have not heard a single teabagger who was present in Washington claiming it did not happen. They have, instead, distanced themselves. If an incident never occured, and you knew it did not occur, there would be no reason to distance your organization.
Who else was in Washington? The press. I have not seen anyone report that they heard this first hand. But, again, like the GOPers in Washington, they must have heard from a reliable source that it happened, hence the complete absence of any member of the press (inlcuding National Review, Weekly Standard, Fox News, etc.) claiming it did not happen.
So what do we have, in balance? You, Bennett and Reynolds, who were not there, claiming it did not happen based on . . . well, your own say so.
On the other side, you have the victim claiming it happened, other incidents that show how unhinged the teabaggers had become that day, the absence of any denials by GOPers who were on Capitol Hill that day, press reports that the incidents occurred, and the absence of any dispute from the teabaggers themselves . . . only a distancing from the incidents . . . “the actions of a few should not taint the entire movement” . . . blah blah blah.
Starting with the eye witness accounts, adding in the other events, and the reactions of those present at the time, there is considerable evidence that John Lewis, a member of Congress, was called a “n*gger” by teabaggers on Saturday March 20, 2010. You, on the other hand, have no evidence (or even a rational argument) that would tend to establish that it did not happen. Er, facial!
Wow. He thinks he proved a negative.
That was quite…um…I got nothin.
(It’s like trying to respond to a fart let-loose in Myanmar.)
“Ya got us all now, BROB!!!”
@johngalt:
I appreciate and return the sentiment. You may not see me for a while, as I’ve accepted the daunting challenge of writing a screenplay in 30 days, all while starting a new position at the baseball stadium as season starts. So all of my free time will be usurped during April. (that doesn’t mean, however, that I won’t be paying attention!)
I agree with Skookum that our country needs these kind of debates and exchanges of ideas, and that our Founders encouraged them (I’d also love to talk with him about Shakespeare sometime, as he seems to know quite a bit, and my own acting career has been primarily the Bard in the past decade or so…).
While who’s “right and wrong” may be a factor in many discussions, I think perspective comes into play quite a bit, as well. My favorite example is that my view of guns, living in NYC, are going to be naturally different than a person’s who lives in Alaska, and that if we understand from which angle the other sees the issue, we can find some common ground. As a “bleeding heart liberal”, I’ve found much common ground with Conservatives and refuse accept the view of each other as “enemies”. I recently had a discussion with an older friend, on an issue we both agreed on. At one point he said, “But I bet you know the other side of this, don’t you? What is it?”
I did, I told him, and he got it. And that’s because I have the sort of discourse with folk such that I find here at FA.
Cary, I assume you know that William is considered to be the greatest wordsmith that ever lived. It has been estimated that his vocabulary was over 40,000 words and the average college graduate’s vocabulary is between 3500 and 4500 words.
I suppose you know that he had sold out crowds with standing room only, the penny stinkards. I assume you have acted as a Shakespearean for the last decade;o you know that Will competed with the whipping of nude women, the torture and rendering of people, dog fighting, bear baiting, and public executions, not to mention the bordellos that proliferated bankside, including The Rose that was directly behind The Globe. The same that is so often misquoted, A rose that was a bordello, a flower, and a woman’s most intimate anatomy.
After ten years of that, you should be able to write a screenplay in one night, sleep on it and with a bottle of good red wine, flesh it out the next night. Thirty days, please, we are not writing War and Peace.
Actually, on a more serious note; may I suggest a novel. If it merits the attention, write the screen play. Many a screenplay has followed a novel, the inverse has rarely been successful.
Cary, let’s be practical; you are thinking like a Liberal. A novel is 120 pages; you should plan on writing 5 to 10 pages a night, rework 10 pages in one night. This must be a production of work, not a lollygag. Write in rough form and come back to proofread. Love stories and adventure/intrigue sell well. Get off your arse Cary, this isn’t a dress rehearsal: if you wan to write, get it done.
@BRob: Your a known liar BLOB. I am not going to waste any more time on your attempt to fan the flames of racism and hate in this country with more wild and unproveable lies.
@Cary: What are you doing at the ballpark? Is the screenplay about me?
@Cary
I hope all your endeavors are successful.
It is an honor to have you here keeping us honest. If every Dem (and many Repubs) were like you, this country wouldn’t be in this situation. An open mind can not be overtaken.
Please keep in touch. As for me, I will miss you while you’re gone.
You are a breath of fresh air. (That sound you hear is BRob’s head expolding.)
(PS Mike only wants it to be about him… 🙂 *ducks and runs*)
http://thepragmaticprogressive.blogspot.com/2010/03/mikes-america.html
@pragpro: I see one of my little moonbats has escaped from the cage at Mike’s America!
Come on in Parrot (that’s the nickname we gave him at M.A.) You’ll find you get shredded here a lot faster than you do in the cozy cage I keep for you.
-When people with pre-existing conditions are still dying because the bill won’t cover them until years after their death their families will remember who voted for this bill.
-When the cost of this program skyrockets far above today’s projections and explodes the deficit voters will remember who voted for this bill.
-When the IRS comes knocking on the door demanding we buy insurance or be fined or go to jail, voters will remember who voted for this bill.
Where are you getting your information? None of the above is correct. 1. The bill forces insurance companies to cover anyone with pre-existing conditions. 2. The cost of the program cuts costs over 10 years, according to the NON-PARTISAN CBO. 3. If you don’t pay for insurance you CANNOT go to jail. Get your facts straight before threatening consequences.
@ObiMo: I guess you haven’t been keeping up with the FACTS Obambi lover!
I’ll make you a deal: When the cost of this bill skyrockets, when premiums rise faster than they already would, when the IRS demands you sign up for insurance or pay a fine, when businesses don’t hire new workers, you promise to stop voting for all time and never say another word.
I’ll do the same if I am wrong.
Something tells me you won’t be taking the bet.
You have to be a complete fool to believe the promises of a man who has already broken nearly every promise he has ever made.
You have to be a complete fool to believe that somehow THIS big government boondoogle will be different from all the other big government boondoggles.
@ObiMo:
Starting when?
That’s right….the coverage for children doesn’t begin right away.
So, when children with pre-existing conditions are still dying because the bill won’t cover them, their families will remember who voted for this bill.
Not, not exactly.
Remember…the taxation starts immediately. The benefits, not so much.
Then, when you examine the creative accounting, the double counting, and the sleight of hand tricks in the bill, there are no savings.
There is, however, a $2.5 trillion cost.
Umm….this bill uses the IRS as its’ enforcement mechanism.
That mechanism, as you may or may not know, doesn’t necessarily jail you right away, but IRS agents most certainly have that authority.
And if you think that going to jail for not paying your taxes doesn’t happen, give Wesley Snipes a call.
Yes, where are you getting your information?
Because none of the information you gave above is correct.
Mike Miller, do you think these comments help your cause? No wonder the only thing less popular then the Congress are the Republicans in Congress. Say hello to Jeff Gannon, for me.
Hey Miller, I bet that all the government lard that you suck into you never comes back to the treasury. Give the people their money back. What did you do for the money we gave you? What were the names of the Corporations that you lobbied for in-between revolving off the public teat? I know democracy is a big pain in the ass for you, but we figured the gated community we paid for you to live in would make you appreciate the people more. You were against medicare before you were for it, trick. 🙄
You guys are so tough, you delete evidence, let’s try this again.
Of course, Mike denies all of these incidents that the GOP and Tea Party are now condemning. All the evidence is from ultra-left websites like FOX-News, Roger Simon’s Politico, and the nefarious Kansas City Star, oh and these 700+ other sources for this any the many other cases.
@pragpro:
Ummmmm….what, precisely, was deleted?
Refer to comment #25 on this thread.
It seems you’re confused about where you’ve scattered your droppings.
@pragpro: Parrot, clearly you don’t have ANYTHING of substance to contribute here.
If you are going to keep repeating insults and lies then I will delete your comments and put you back in your cage.
Don’t you get it? No one believes a word you say!
[DELETED COMMENT OF UNREPENTANT LYING RACEBAITER BANNED FROM THIS THREAD FOR FAILURE TO RETRACT HIS LIES AND APOLOGIZE TO READERS FOR INSINUATING THEY ARE RACISTS!]
Mike, threatening to put someone “in a cage”, goes on your permanent record. I’m really not afraid. Really.
@pragpro: Oh NOOOO!!! Not my “PERMANENT RECORD.”
Oh the SHAME!
I suppose when I say we have you and your fellow Dems “targeted for defeat” you think we are talking about guns.
Have I mentioned what an idiot you are?
Back to topic: My local newspaper printed the original post above as a letter to the editor today.
I encourage everyone to write letters to their local paper.
It DOES make a difference.
You know the lefties are out there repeating their phony talking points in letters every day. We have to counter this with the truth.
Mike you deleted a Marine Vet’s evidence he is a vet? GFYS.
Nobody shot at Eric Cantor’s office according to the Police.
http://news.google.com/news/story?client=safari&rls=en&q=eric+cantor+bullet&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dBywLHXmVXCgpjMt1nnndugWsvRrM&hl=en&ei=tA2tS-HhHZHQtgPyjujQDQ&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CAkQqgIwAA
With all the free speech restrictions, Mike’s America more resembles the “People’s Republic” of China. Everyone on this thread see the messages in their e-mail in-box before you delete them, insane person.
Sarah Palin is reading her hands again. I love it. Please nominate Sarah for the Tea Party, let’s say Mitch Daniels for the GOP, and Butch Otter for the Bull Moose ticket.
I thought that I remembered pragpro being tossed out on his azz the last time he wandered into these parts.
Turns out I was correct.
Tossed out by Curt himself.
Pragpro now lives in the SPAM filter with his new e-mail and IP addresses.
@Aye Chihuahua: Oh, gee Aye. I don’t know how comfortable I am with this censorship 🙄 🙄
Parrot just threatened me at my blog. Apparently he feels I am responsible for the demise of the blog “Mike’s Dumb America.”
Parrot’s a harmless, hapless and brainless little troll. I almost feel sorry for him.
It’s not like the guy who thought he had my actual name address and telephone number and posted it on the Daily Kos diaries with what he thought was a map to my house. The idiot got the wrong Mike.
And this was happening long before Democrats took the microphones screeching about how threatened they feel by Tea partiers.
What we are seeing today is a Keystone cops version of left wing fascists.
Dumb and Dumber:
@Aye Chihuahua: Yup, name sounded familiar, and the idiot didn’t even try to hide who he was.
@Skookum:
Not only that, but he also invented many of the words and phrases we still use today! I own the Shakespeare Lexicon by Alexander Schmidt, which contains and defines every word the Bard used and is 1,484 pages in two volumes of very small print! I posted something I think you’d like on this on my blog sometime ago:
http://caryscolumn.blogspot.com/2006/04/shakespeares-birthday_23.html
I actually started out doing musical theatre, which was what I originally came to NYC to study. When I got out of the conservatory, most of the work I got was in dramatic straight plays. I decided that studying Shakespeare would make me a better actor (the way ballet is the foundation of dance), and got hooked! I ended up studying with an amazing teacher (who wrote THIS BOOK), who taught us to find the acting clues in the First Folio. He also taught us to find the “bawdy”, first using Juliet’s “Gallup Apace” speech – read it with a dirty mind and you’ll be shocked! No wonder it appealed so much to the groundlings as much as the gentlefolk! I ended up doing Shakespeare, as well as Moliere and Rostand (toured the US with Cyrano right after 9/11 – amazing experience.) Unfortunately, sticking to classical theatre is rather limiting, from a perspective a “making a living” career wise, so I’m branching myself out now, hopefully with the original goal of being a better actor somewhat accomplished.
I may work on a novel sometime in the future, but the thing I’m doing now is Script Frenzy, with 14,208 writer participating so far, which I’m really excited about. Thanks so much for the pep talk, it’s the best I’ve gotten yet for this!
@Mike’s America:
I’m working at Yankees Stadium again this season, only this year they’ve promoted me to a server inside the 5 Star Diamond, members only Legends Club (where Guliani, among other high profile people eat before a game.) I’m hoping this pans out for me financially, so I can invest in my own career, and market myself more properly. So, I’ll have to take the time to really learn the menu and wine list, and get things moving. The Yankees helped me keep my head above water last year, and the managers liked me, so this year I should be able to get ahead! So my Yankee fandom is a bit more personal than the game itself, which I already enjoy immensely. Go Yankees!
In a nutshell, my screenplay is a horror/thriller (not a bloody slasher-fest) involving evil entities who hide by blending themselves into New York City nightlife (Linda Blair could be there with her head spinning, and nobody would blink!), and, Mike, I highly doubt you’d ever find yourself in the trap my young and naive protagonist gets himself into! 😉
@Patvann:
Wow, thank you so much. A friend of mine recently asked why I bother debating with conservatives, since I could “never win”. I said that I’m not looking to win, but to have honest discussions about things that affect all of us, with intelligent and great people, which is what I get here. Civil discussion forces us to be informed, and there’s nothing wrong with that, no matter how you look at it!
@Cary: I’m been in my fair share of New York hell holes and they were a nightmare. But perhaps nothing on the same par as what you are writing.
I never took you for a horror fan. It must come from that other side of you we don’t see here.
@Mike’s America:
Yeah, I’m a fan of nearly every genre, though I don’t pay to see sophomoric comedies on the big screen! My favorite horror flicks aren’t the Texas Chainsaw types, but more in the Jaws/ Silence of the Lambs/ Psycho vein – with well written characters and strong acting.
You can follow my progress here if you’d like: http://www.scriptfrenzy.org/eng/user/622700
@Cary:
Peeked at your page Cary and found this and it shocked me:
That’s my favorite breakfast too, and will do the same with pancakes, love the way the flavor mixes! Just can’t have the bottomless cup of coffee.
I don’t enjoy being scared by movies. I did see Jaws a few times and was re-scared again. The worst movie for me was Sophie’s Choice, I mourned what happened in that movie for a long, long time. = = well written and strong acting.
I wish you well, enjoy that promotion at the stadium, sounds really exciting!
@Missy:
Thanks! I’ll have to try that with pancakes!
Yes, I can’t imagine making a choice like Sophie’s Choice. Meryl Streep is one my favorite actors, along with Ian Mckellen (number one in my book!), Cate Blanchett, and Judi Dench!