California City (Pasadena) To Explore Banning Smoking Inside Your Own Home

ROBERT: IS NT IT the GOVERNMENT that demand conservatives books banned ,
it’s surely dangerous to use indoctrination for the youngs in school,
IT would be agaisnt the LAWS of the LAND, ARE they allowed to do it?
yes those students are prevented from learning other sides of the teaching,
that would help their critical mind grow their capacity to judge any subjects,
again it’s control total.
bye

I didn’t say conservative books, I said books banned by conservatives and some of these books have been burned by conservatives and the, oh so tolerant Christians:

The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth

Geez, I thought this thread was done 6 months ago. Arguing with trolls is an endless endeavor. For every argument you rebut, Robert will twist it back around with illogical arguments. Just ignore the troll and let him go back to moveon, kos, or where ever he appeared from.

Robert,

At the last book burning I attended my good friend Adolf was there, I can assure you he was a good Liberal Socialist.

Now, where the heck do you get the dumb$hit idea that Conservatives have actually burned books. In say the last …. 50 years? Next thing, document it instead of wasting our time reading your drivel. OH btw did a google search for ‘conseratives burning books’ seems to be a resounding lack of information of it. Gotta love the internet.

BTW I am a Republican and I hate what the GOP has done to the party during the last 16 years!!!

@Greg:

Don’t blame me if you choose to waste your time.

Well, I did ‘ahem’ wasted a bit of time, wondering if you did and doubt you wasted your time reading the following article in the LA Time I provided up thread.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-0825-kerlikowske-marijuana-20100825,0,5131241.story

Bit of my history. In the 90’s I helped develop an organization…Parent Action Network, for our school system, it’s a nationwide organization, it’s not always called PAN in some states, but it’s the same thing. After getting it going, my task was working with five high schools establishing leadership councils with students in each of the schools. Then I provided transportation to seminars conducted by the Illinois State Police, IDOT and DEA in Springfield, a weekend trip in the fall and at Wesleyan College, a seven day trip and also many local events throughout the year. I also had to take the same classes the students took while at these events, repetitively, did it for four years. The main focus was providing the students with the tools they needed to combat drug and alcohol abuse in their schools, they were also given abuse related stats, taught how drugs and alcohol affected their bodies, etc. in the many classes through out the days we spent there. Local events were usually for brainstorming and discussing what ideas were working and not working within the schools.

We would then bring all the information back, then my job was to guide the students as they solicited volunteers in their schools, taught the volunteers the information provided, planned drug free events through out the city, etc. it was a big, busy project. And, BTW, Dick Durbin-D took credit for one of the activities hatched in my living room when he did a campaign stop in town. So as far back as the 90’s I personally knew he was a liar, he had nothing to do with any of it.

From what we learned, way back then, I could easily understand that should the CA folks be allowed to grow 25 square feet of pot in their own back yards, use would expand dramatically and fatalities would increase beyond the 100% increase CA experienced in the 5 year span mentioned in your source. Also, not forgetting that Marijuana is still a gateway drug.

Per my source:

Proposition 19 would allow individuals to grow as much as 25 square feet of marijuana for “personal consumption.”

Other societal problems:

When my daughter worked for her county Sheriff’s department she was involved with Child Abuse cases. Sexual abuse, neglect and physical abuse. All cases involved drugs and/or alcohol, marijuana use/neglect, hand in hand. Her husband, a deputy sheriff, has been at the scene of fatalities that involved marijuana, sadly, people he knew from families he knows.

Now back to your source, am typing from notes, so perhaps you may have to read the thing after all:

Several quotes and stats jumped off the page.

“The effect of Marijuana use in fatal motor vehicle crashes is not well documented.

“Trend data for

Marijuana

and Alcohol Use in Passenger Vehicle Fatal Accidents

“Since this data is for all drivers there are a high percentage of drivers that were not tested for alcohol or drugs.

In 2008 only 43% of drivers were tested…..single vehicle fatal crashes 68% were tested…” Therefore the actual involvement is probably higher.”

Table 12. “Ten of the 13 states allowing Medical Marijuana have above average Marijuana use in fatal crashes”

How High Will Marijuana Fatalities Go

“In no state has Marijuana use been legal to the extent that “TC2010 would allow”

“…we do have evidence that a change in availability results in increased fatalities In CA, for the five years since Medical Marijuana was legalized….fatal crashes….compared to the 5 years before…..an increase of about 100%.”

“Also note that in the 8 counties, Marijuana us is almost as high as alcohol 08+”

“These suggest Marijuana use in fatal crashes could easily rival alcohol as the data top cause of traffic fatalities…”

Conclusion: Cost of Lives Lost if “TC2010” Passes

“The California Board of Equalization estimates that a tax income of $1.4 billion yearly could be expected if “TC2010″ passes. The tax benefit is small compared to the economic loss, if it passes.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration(NHTSA) estimates a value of a life lost in a traffic fatality is $6.1 million. If the Marijuana involvement increased to only 16% and 668 lives lost, the economic loss would be more than $4 billion. At an involvement rate of 20% and 836 lives lost, the economic loss would be more than $5 billion. Even at the 2008 level of 230 fatalities, the economic loss is about $1.4 billion annually.”

From a public health point of view, the passage of “TC2010″ might prove to be of epidemic proportion.”

So, per your source, we know the effects of Marijuana use in fatalities is “not well documented,” the data in the study involved, “crashes where the use was known” and, “there are a high percentage of drivers that were not tested.”

I wouldn’t be surprised if fatalities would increase 300% because, back to my original point, they obviously, do not stay in their living rooms.

@ Old Trooper… Let’s not stop there, let’s use Missy’s criteria and make the manufacture of cell phones a felony, after all we know that cell phone users can’t be trusted to only take/make calls from the privacy of their own homes. Perhaps we should also outlaw automobiles, that would kill several birds with one stone (pun intended)… no one would be able to drive drunk, no one would be able to drive high, no one would be able to text while driving, dumb asses wouldn’t be able huff gasoline…. think of the public safety issues no automobiles would solve. Outlaw cars today! Do it for the children!

Oh yeah.. if drugs were legal then they wouldn’t be “drug” kingpins anymore… they’d be “coyote” kingpins or “arms smuggler” kingpins.

Personally I think overdosing on hard drugs serves a noble purpose… it does a terrific job of purging the gene pool of dumb asses.

ROBERT: I see, well good luck

@Missy, #64:

I’m not sure “increased availability” really is a likely outcome of decrimininalization. Cannabis is evidently available on an enormous scale already. Consider:

“Using conservative price estimates derived from federal surveys, domestic marijuana production has a value of $35.8 billion, more than corn and wheat combined, easily making it America’s largest and most lucrative cash crop.”

http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/intro.html

It’s unlikely that those who are buying it are refraining from using it. Consequently, to whatever extent it actually affects the accident rate, it is probably doing so already. Studies have repeatedly suggest that, when compared with alcohol, the extent of that effect is negligible.

Obviously one shouldn’t drive under the influence of anything that distracts or impairs one’s abilities. If someone drives under the influence of alcohol or marijuana, either one, I’d cut them no slack whatsoever. I’d make prompt blood tests mandatory after any accident involving injuries to determine the “under the influence” factor with certainty. I’d also cut no slack for idiots who don’t seem to realize they can’t really drive safely while yapping on their cell phones. I’m not at all understanding, when it comes to people whose irresponsible behavior endangers others.

I feel the same about under-age marijuana use as I do about under-age drinking. Kids have no business doing either.

@UpChuck.Liberals:

I don’t believe anyone should be carrying a gun while loaded, either. We should all take a lesson from Dick Cheney.

An unloaded gun is a paper weight. I’m going to guess that by your comments you’re not for weapons. As an extension of that you’re not for the 2nd Amendment.

Just a couple of things. Verifiable on the FBI website. The number of crimes committed by licensed weapons is very very very small. It’s not whether or not a gun is loaded, it’s the person with the gun. Some people should, under no circumstances have a gun, or a car.

Great Britain has disarmed their citizens, their incidence of home burglaries is up over three times ours. Guns make a great deterrent, as someone once said, ‘an armed society is a polite society’.

Back to the topic of the original subject. The Liberal/Socialist/Progressives here in the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia are overstepping their legal authority, by a bunch.

Peace, Love, Brotherhood and the right to Keep and Arm Bears.

Ms Bees Conjures up images of Annie Oakley or maybe Dale Evans.

What would you be packing?

Semper Fi

@ Greg, Dick Cheney has been at my spread several times hunting quail and no negligent discharges occurred. Hunting accidents do happen. I have carried firearms now since I was 12 years old, hunting, in the Military and for personal protection. I have a Federal Concealed Carry License and do carry any time that I go to large cities for business.

I would trust Dick over Bill Ayres that used to build bombs in his “earlier career” as a terrorist.
You know Bill, the guy that was Obama’s pal in Chicago?

Greg: We are in a type of agreement for once. While attending college, my neighbor (off campus private housing) who had two teenage daughters knocked on my door, late one evening. I opened the door and he told me there had been a prowler looking in his windows. He pulled out a small caliber auto pistol that looked like something a pimp would carry. He was so nervous that I thought he might accidentally shoot me. I told him to put the pistol back in his pocket and I would watch his house from inside my parked car. If the prowler came back, I would ‘disable’ him and hold him for the police.

He looked relieved and went back home, with his pistol that he couldn’t even hold in his hand he was shaking so much. I don’t blame the guy for being scared, but there is a point at which you can be a menace to everyone with your good intentions and thoughts of self-protection, especially if you aren’t proficient with a weapon.

Now in my absence, Canada has passed all kinds of laws for buying ammunition and weapons, and for carrying sporting rifles out in the field; consequently, I must now take a battery of courses in weapons safety. Upon my retirement and return to Canada, it will take weeks to go back to school and take courses that I should be teaching, but I will be so much better at handling a weapon or processing game.

Unfortunately, the prowler didn’t return; perhaps he saw me waiting in my car and went on to easier and safer victims. I love a confrontation when I am in the right and someone has given me the express permission to beat them half to death, by commission of an illegal act; otherwise, I am a very gentle man.

@ Were You bullied here, Jocko?

It appears from your offering here that you feel intimidated in some fashion.
Your problem, not mine. And by the way, I am neither a Republican, a Democrat or an angry little turd like you. You got your 2 cents worth in here. I gave you mine. It is abundantly clear that you don’t know me and I really don’t need to get to know you.

I have a neighbor that has a team of mules. Any time I want to talk with a jackass, I can go over to his place. They like me. I bring them apples and carrots. Maybe ACORN will show up and get them registered to Vote…

Since OBC wants to play the victim role, I shall oblige.
Awww, you went and hurt widdle Obama’s my Bad Touch Daddy’s feelings.
Really OMC, project much? Just wake up after a 40 year coma? What are you 16?
Google SEIU violence. Then Google AFL-CIO violence. Those would be good starts for you, ya hypocrite.

@ Aye , a clear case of identity crisis from some bad Kool Aid. The remedy is a half gallon of castor oil and half a bar of good old lye laundry soap for a chaser. “Bobert” should be back on his feet in no time with better smelling socks. 😉

OLD TROOPER, THAT would be quite slippery socks with holes in it from the lye. bye