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Lorraine
14 years ago
God Bless Sen. Coburn
God Bless Sen. DeMint
WAY TO GO.
Are you listening and watching America.
I have sent a note over to a contact in Sen. DeMint’s office thanking him. In an earlier response he promised that they are willing to do whatever it takes to kill this. I would encourage those who have been demanding this kind of action to put their money where their mouth is and help out DeMint in 2010. He’s going to be a prime target of the left:
Man these two guys are terrific. We need more of them. Please GOP, take a note and come on in for the big win!
Jeff
14 years ago
public support for this monster is dropping literally by the hour. Every hour spent talking about or reading the bill or an amendment is another hour the public has to become more informed about just how bad it is.
Some will say this shows a desperation but I’d beg to differ. This is pure 4 corners. The momentum is on our side and there is nothing the Dems can do to speed things up. They want the clock to run out but can’t do a thing to speed it up. The GOP should specifically introduce an amendment next week with the intent of denying consent and forcing a reading.
UPDATE: Sen. Bernie Sanders (SOCIALIST-VT) just went to the floor and pulled his amendment suspending the reading of it’s 767 pages!
What’s next? Stay tuned!
Old Trooper
14 years ago
Mike’s America, it is now 00:26 hrs. 12.17.09 in Kabul. I have about 8 Officers and 4 NCOs tuned in here. Thanks for keeping Us informed!
Meanwhile, an update on a related topic: Marco Rubio, the Florida conservative Speaker of the Florida House has pulled EVEN in polls with the RINO FL Gov. Crist:
Mike’s America, BTW, a school in Bozeman, MT sent Us 12 more fruitcakes that were received yesterday. We gave half of them to the Marines, ate one but have 5 new doorstops left. It must be an acquired taste like voting Democrat.
John Cooper
14 years ago
Mike’s America asks: “Are you happy yet?”
You betcha! I hereby change my previous vote. And never let it be said that in the darkest hour, one person can’t make a difference. From Power Line blog How is Obamacare to be stopped? part 2
Over the weekend Erick Erickson made an impassioned plea that Republican Senators avail themselves of every parliamentary device at their disposal to obstruct the nationalization of health care. We posted a long response from a GOP Senate source in “How is Obamacare to be stopped?”
Today Oklahoma’s magnificent Senator (and Dr.) Tom Coburn has begun to follow up on Erickson’s plea. Senator Coburn objected to the unanimous consent required to waive the reading of Senator Sanders’s 767-page amendment supporting frankly socialized medicine. (I understand that Senator Demint is assisting Senator Coburn in maintaining the floor presence necessary to withhold unanimous consent.)
So Sanders has pulled his amendment, eh? No problem. Make them read the entire 2000+ page manager’s amendment when it comes out.
@Old Trooper: I like fruitcake! I wouldn’t eat a lot of it but some is just fine.
@John Cooper: The note I got from the DeMint staffer stressed strategy. Had we done this earlier (long before Redstate or Rush suggested it) it might have been less effective.
It still remains to be seen how effective this will be and how much the Senate GOP is prepared to carry this forward, but the ad by RNC Chairman Steele should be a sign that they are ready to go all the way.
I’m keeping my fingers crossed!
bill-tb
14 years ago
Yippeee!!!
Now if the pubbies would only stand up and say it is not Constitutional, then I’m in. Grow a spine, freedom itself is at risk.
Just heard this afternoon that Nancy Pelosi announced she will not bring a change initiative to the HR floor next year unless the Senate has first voted for it. . .interesting — sounds like trouble in Obamaville.
Fifteen minutes later, heard Ms Pelosi was boarding a plane for Copenhagen — I’ll bet some of the other Congressmen would like to get out of town right about now as well. . .
BTW — just called Coburn’s and DeMint’s direct DC office numbers and got through — main switchboard was a little busy. Thanked both via receptionist and relayed campaign support pledge forthcoming.
@Old Trooper — Thank you for your service and prayers are said for your well-being and safe return.
Donald Bly
14 years ago
@bill-tb
Sen Orin Hatch did just that the other day. Unfortunately there were only 2 members of the Senate present at the time.
FYI — Senator Burr is talking on local radio — Raleigh, NC — right now. . .He relayed that according to Senate parlimentarian Rules. . .the only person that could have stopped the reading of Sanders amendment was Senator Coburn. Reid allowed the reading to stop (without Coburn’s consent) and now sets a new parlimentary precedent that cannot be changed back except by another Parlimentarian. Said it shows you that Reid will stop at nothing to pass ANYTHING just so the Pres can sign ‘something.’
Also said that he believed the Dems had enough votes when they left the White House yesterday but has eroded within the last 24 hours. . .relayed no one knows what is in the bill (REIDCARE) — including Baucus and Durbin…
Think the White House is passing out pepto bismol?
If you are going to bash them in the same way Dems do then don’t expect them to go out on a limb for you!
@American Voter: Thanks for that update. So much of this is happening behind the scenes (despite Obama’s promise of transparency) it’s hard to keep up with it.
Howdy Old Trooper, Merry Christmas and a safe 2010! Sorry about the fruitcakes.
Speaking of fruitecakes, the GOP senators are outfoxing Obama’s croonies today.
Enmanuel cannot get his CHicago way. I feel sorry for Nelson of Nebraska.
Obamacare is not working and in pure Alinsky style, Gutierrez is trying to get the Illegal Inmigration Bill so that all Africa and the Middle East will be able to come to America. The Latinos still think is about them, and they are under the Obama bus already!
Seems a few more sources (credible) are reporting the intimidation of Sen Nelson for his Yes vote on OBAMACARE — with the Military Base closing. . .given the strategic positioning/operational duties of the base — would putting the country’s security at risk to ‘extort’ a vote be treason. . . ???? Isn’t this where BUSH was protected after 9-11?
If truly legitimate. . .as more sources are confirming. . .is this the beginning of the end for oBOWma and his mafia in the WH? The WH is declaring ‘the rumors to be false and baseless’ but apparently ‘sources’ are standing by the story.
Isn’t extortion a crime all by itself — much less threatening to jepoardize the country? Maybe the ‘BIDEN FOR PRESIDENT — 2011’ signs I saw yesterday at the DC rally — are prophetic?
This is what I was refering to in your other post Mike. Finally some leadership from the GOP side that is direct and into the fight! Behind the scenes is great but we need some red meat for the masses to see that there is something going on besides BS.
“Had we done this earlier (long before Redstate or Rush suggested it) it might have been less effective.”
Call me cynical, but I don’t think they thought of it at all until Erick and Rush suggested it. But I don’t mind letting it pass as their secret plan all along. I’m just pleased that they finally listened to their base (for a change). I’m also very pleased that the RNC Chairman is backing them up (also for a change).
I love the sound of “I OBJECT!” and “POINT OF ORDER!” in the morning…
The Service Employees International Union (SEIU) backed out of an event with other organizations promoting the Senate healthcare reform bill Wednesday over concerns about changes made to the legislation to accommodate centrist Democrats.
The SEIU had planned to participate in a Capitol Hill press conference along with the AARP, the liberal advocacy group Families USA, Consumers Union and the American Cancer Society Action Network. As recently as Tuesday morning, the organizations distributed an advisory to the news media that included the SEIU.
But the move by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to excise provisions of the healthcare reform bill to create a government-run public option health insurance program and to allow people between 55 and 64 years old to buy into Medicare gave the labor union pause, spokeswoman Lori Lodes said.
“That decision has to be made by our leaders and our members,” Lodes said. The event with the AARP and the other groups was scheduled before Reid made changes to the bill.
It sure seems like the wheels are coming off of the healthcare bandwagon.
Under Rule XV, paragraph 1, and Senate precedents, an amendment shall be read by the Clerk before it is up for consideration or before the same shall be debated unless a request to waive the reading is granted; in practice that includes an ordinary amendment or an amendment in the nature of a substitute, the reading of which may not be dispensed with except by unanimous consent, and if the request is denied the amendment must be read and further interruptions are not in order.
Eric continues: “…now the Democrats are willing to throw away over 200 years of Senate tradition and order to confiscate 1/6th of the American economy from the private sector.”
Someone needs to tell Erick at Redstate that the Senate GOP didn’t need him yelling at them to get the job done. The problem here was one of strategy, not tactics. Again, had Coburn or DeMint used their objection earlier in the process it wouldn’t have amounted to much.
And McConnell has been on board all along. I’ve heard comments from him Thune and others saying they are in this all the way.
Perhaps I should do another update so Erick at Redstate will know what is really happening.
John Cooper
14 years ago
I read the transcript of the Senate floor action yesterday, an if it’s accurate, the Republicans didn’t utter a peep when the Senate Rules were violated.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Cardin). The Senator from Vermont is recognized.
Mr. SANDERS. Mr. President, I withdraw my amendment.
Mr. COBURN. Regular order, Mr. President.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator has that right. The amendment is withdrawn.
Mr. SANDERS. Pursuant to the 30 minutes that I—-
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mrs. Shaheen). Under the previous order, the Senator from Vermont is recognized for 30 minutes.
That’s when a “POINT OF ORDER!” should have been raised. Someone should ask Sen. Coburn why he just sat there and took it.
Completely Reckless, Completely Irresponsible
from the Office of Senator Mitch McConnell
Thursday, December 17, 2009
‘And here’s the most outrageous part: at the end of this rush, they want us to vote on a bill that no one outside the Majority Leader’s conference room has even seen. That’s right. The final bill we’ll vote on isn’t even the one we’ve had on the floor. It’s the deal Democrat leaders have been trying to work out in private’
I wasn’t watching CSPAN, so I didn’t see exactly what happened, but yes, Coburn’s statement seemed kind of limp to me. When the reading was interrupted and Sen. Sanders was granted the floor against all precedent, why not a “Mr. President, I object!”?
I suspect that the move was so blatant and unexpected that it simply caught Coburn off guard. If that’s the case, it’s more of a disappointment than a criticism. Coburn should have caned Sanders like the olden days (r, d, & g) .
@John Cooper: I heard the audio and Coburn’s objection was immediate.
Besides caning, what should he have done?
John Cooper
14 years ago
Mike–
I’ve already posted that I thought a Point of Order should have been raised. I hate to refer to Wikipedia, but here it is:
“A point of order may be raised if the rules appear to have been broken. This may interrupt a speaker during debate, or anything else if the breach of the rules warrants it. The point is resolved before business continues.”
Now I understand that there were probably only two Senators in the room at the time – the President excepted – and maybe parliamentary procedure isn’t Coburn’s strong suit, but “POINT OF ORDER!” should have been the first words out of Coburn’s mouth after “regular order”.
From Roberts Rules of Order:
Point of Order
This motion permits a member to draw the chair’s attention to what he/she believes to be an error in procedure or a lack of decorum in debate. The member will rise and say: “I rise to a point of order,” or simply “Point of order.” The chair should recognize the member, who will then state the point of order. The effect is to require the chair to make an immediate ruling on the question involved. The chair will usually give his/her reasons for making the ruling. If the ruling is thought to be wrong, the chair can be challenged.
A point of order can interrupt another speaker, does not require a second, is not debatable, is not amendable, and cannot be reconsidered.
Once again, I’m not criticizing, just disappointed that available parliamentary options were not taken advantage of on our side.
Senate Democrats are threatening Republicans with midnight and crack-of-dawn votes if they continue to fight the majority on the health-care bill and defense spending legislation.
The Senate Democratic leadership office is advising lawmakers, staff and reporters that if the GOP does not yield back time on the defense spending bill now under consideration, a vote will be scheduled for Friday morning at 1 a.m., with final passage slated for 7 a.m. Saturday morning.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid would then begin votes on health care reform, but because Republicans are opposed, the three major components of the bill would first have to be filed with the clerk for a certain number of hours, with the first vote possible on Monday at 1 a.m., the second vote on Tuesday at 7 a.m. and the third and final vote on Wednesday at 1 p.m.
…Senate Republicans are already pledging to put up a fight, with Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., saying he will not consent to any of the legislation and will force Reid to have a Christmas Eve vote on health care reform. DeMint said he will also force Reid to bring the Senate back after Christmas to deal with the debt limit legislation.
@John Cooper: It’s been so long since I paid any attention to rules of order that I couldn’t tell you the difference between a call for “regular order” and “point of order.”
Correct me if I am wrong, but I’m getting the impression that you are looking for ways to be critical of our team. Even when they do what many have long demanded.
On the other hand, I prefer to stress what they have done RIGHT.
God Bless Sen. Coburn
God Bless Sen. DeMint
WAY TO GO.
Are you listening and watching America.
Watch the fun live on CSpan2:
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx
This is such good news! Thank you senators DeMint and Coburn.
I have sent a note over to a contact in Sen. DeMint’s office thanking him. In an earlier response he promised that they are willing to do whatever it takes to kill this. I would encourage those who have been demanding this kind of action to put their money where their mouth is and help out DeMint in 2010. He’s going to be a prime target of the left:
https://secure.piryx.com/donate/lTege320/jimdemint/
Here’s Senator Coburn’s original move in the Senate:
Coburn is also up for re-election in 2010 and you are encouraged to help him too:
https://coburnforsenate.kimbia.com/coburnforsenate
Man these two guys are terrific. We need more of them. Please GOP, take a note and come on in for the big win!
public support for this monster is dropping literally by the hour. Every hour spent talking about or reading the bill or an amendment is another hour the public has to become more informed about just how bad it is.
Some will say this shows a desperation but I’d beg to differ. This is pure 4 corners. The momentum is on our side and there is nothing the Dems can do to speed things up. They want the clock to run out but can’t do a thing to speed it up. The GOP should specifically introduce an amendment next week with the intent of denying consent and forcing a reading.
I’m nominating Coburn and DeMint for the Gandalf Award:
YOU SHALL NOT PASS!
Don’t forget to show your support to DeMint and Coburn:
https://secure.piryx.com/donate/lTege320/jimdemint/
https://coburnforsenate.kimbia.com/coburnforsenate
UPDATE: Sen. Bernie Sanders (SOCIALIST-VT) just went to the floor and pulled his amendment suspending the reading of it’s 767 pages!
What’s next? Stay tuned!
Mike’s America, it is now 00:26 hrs. 12.17.09 in Kabul. I have about 8 Officers and 4 NCOs tuned in here. Thanks for keeping Us informed!
@Old Trooper: GOOD MORNING KABUL!
I’m waiting to see what the next move is…. Bernie Sanders is still talking!
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx
Meanwhile, an update on a related topic: Marco Rubio, the Florida conservative Speaker of the Florida House has pulled EVEN in polls with the RINO FL Gov. Crist:
http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/12/16/new-pollfla-gop-senate-race-in-dead-heat/?test=latestnews
Mike’s America, BTW, a school in Bozeman, MT sent Us 12 more fruitcakes that were received yesterday. We gave half of them to the Marines, ate one but have 5 new doorstops left. It must be an acquired taste like voting Democrat.
Mike’s America asks: “Are you happy yet?”
You betcha! I hereby change my previous vote. And never let it be said that in the darkest hour, one person can’t make a difference. From Power Line blog How is Obamacare to be stopped? part 2
So Sanders has pulled his amendment, eh? No problem. Make them read the entire 2000+ page manager’s amendment when it comes out.
Oh, your #7 was perfect. Thanks.
@Old Trooper: I like fruitcake! I wouldn’t eat a lot of it but some is just fine.
@John Cooper: The note I got from the DeMint staffer stressed strategy. Had we done this earlier (long before Redstate or Rush suggested it) it might have been less effective.
It still remains to be seen how effective this will be and how much the Senate GOP is prepared to carry this forward, but the ad by RNC Chairman Steele should be a sign that they are ready to go all the way.
I’m keeping my fingers crossed!
Yippeee!!!
Now if the pubbies would only stand up and say it is not Constitutional, then I’m in. Grow a spine, freedom itself is at risk.
Just heard this afternoon that Nancy Pelosi announced she will not bring a change initiative to the HR floor next year unless the Senate has first voted for it. . .interesting — sounds like trouble in Obamaville.
Fifteen minutes later, heard Ms Pelosi was boarding a plane for Copenhagen — I’ll bet some of the other Congressmen would like to get out of town right about now as well. . .
BTW — just called Coburn’s and DeMint’s direct DC office numbers and got through — main switchboard was a little busy. Thanked both via receptionist and relayed campaign support pledge forthcoming.
@Old Trooper — Thank you for your service and prayers are said for your well-being and safe return.
@bill-tb
Sen Orin Hatch did just that the other day. Unfortunately there were only 2 members of the Senate present at the time.
FYI — Senator Burr is talking on local radio — Raleigh, NC — right now. . .He relayed that according to Senate parlimentarian Rules. . .the only person that could have stopped the reading of Sanders amendment was Senator Coburn. Reid allowed the reading to stop (without Coburn’s consent) and now sets a new parlimentary precedent that cannot be changed back except by another Parlimentarian. Said it shows you that Reid will stop at nothing to pass ANYTHING just so the Pres can sign ‘something.’
Also said that he believed the Dems had enough votes when they left the White House yesterday but has eroded within the last 24 hours. . .relayed no one knows what is in the bill (REIDCARE) — including Baucus and Durbin…
Think the White House is passing out pepto bismol?
@bill-tb: “pubbies???” Ahem!
If you are going to bash them in the same way Dems do then don’t expect them to go out on a limb for you!
@American Voter: Thanks for that update. So much of this is happening behind the scenes (despite Obama’s promise of transparency) it’s hard to keep up with it.
“Pubbies”
I find myself secretly liking the term.
Does that make me a bad person?
Howdy Old Trooper, Merry Christmas and a safe 2010! Sorry about the fruitcakes.
Speaking of fruitecakes, the GOP senators are outfoxing Obama’s croonies today.
Enmanuel cannot get his CHicago way. I feel sorry for Nelson of Nebraska.
Obamacare is not working and in pure Alinsky style, Gutierrez is trying to get the Illegal Inmigration Bill so that all Africa and the Middle East will be able to come to America. The Latinos still think is about them, and they are under the Obama bus already!
Seems a few more sources (credible) are reporting the intimidation of Sen Nelson for his Yes vote on OBAMACARE — with the Military Base closing. . .given the strategic positioning/operational duties of the base — would putting the country’s security at risk to ‘extort’ a vote be treason. . . ???? Isn’t this where BUSH was protected after 9-11?
If truly legitimate. . .as more sources are confirming. . .is this the beginning of the end for oBOWma and his mafia in the WH? The WH is declaring ‘the rumors to be false and baseless’ but apparently ‘sources’ are standing by the story.
Isn’t extortion a crime all by itself — much less threatening to jepoardize the country? Maybe the ‘BIDEN FOR PRESIDENT — 2011’ signs I saw yesterday at the DC rally — are prophetic?
There seems to be some garment-rending and increased levels of bruxism occurring in the Leftosphere.
http://www.americablog.com/2009/12/gop-had-at-most-55-senators-during.html
My heart bleeds…
This is what I was refering to in your other post Mike. Finally some leadership from the GOP side that is direct and into the fight! Behind the scenes is great but we need some red meat for the masses to see that there is something going on besides BS.
@Mike’s America
Call me cynical, but I don’t think they thought of it at all until Erick and Rush suggested it. But I don’t mind letting it pass as their secret plan all along. I’m just pleased that they finally listened to their base (for a change). I’m also very pleased that the RNC Chairman is backing them up (also for a change).
I love the sound of “I OBJECT!” and “POINT OF ORDER!” in the morning…
@Patvann said: ““Pubbies”
I find myself secretly liking the term. “
Don’t make me come over there!
@Inspectorudy: You got the “drama” you wanted. Was it reported at all?
@John Cooper: DeMint had planned to force a reading earlier in the process but withdrew his request. Coburn also was on this in November:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/19/health-bill-could-get-34-hour-reading-senate/
Also, Judd Gregg has been at the forefront of pushing tougher tactics long before Red State took up the cause:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/02/read-it-gop-senator-pens_n_377386.html
P.S. Looks like Dems reinvented Parliamentary procedure in stopping the reading of the Sanders Amendment:
http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2009/dec/16/demint-says-parliamentarian-was-democrats-back-poc/
This is making me smile: From The Hill: Union pulls back on supporting bill
It sure seems like the wheels are coming off of the healthcare bandwagon.
Another zinger at RedState: Senate Democrats Subvert the Rules of Order
Eric continues: “…now the Democrats are willing to throw away over 200 years of Senate tradition and order to confiscate 1/6th of the American economy from the private sector.”
@John Cooper: I linked to the story in the Wash Times on the Dem’s Senate rule break in comment #25:
http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2009/dec/16/demint-says-parliamentarian-was-democrats-back-poc/
Someone needs to tell Erick at Redstate that the Senate GOP didn’t need him yelling at them to get the job done. The problem here was one of strategy, not tactics. Again, had Coburn or DeMint used their objection earlier in the process it wouldn’t have amounted to much.
And McConnell has been on board all along. I’ve heard comments from him Thune and others saying they are in this all the way.
Perhaps I should do another update so Erick at Redstate will know what is really happening.
I read the transcript of the Senate floor action yesterday, an if it’s accurate, the Republicans didn’t utter a peep when the Senate Rules were violated.
That’s when a “POINT OF ORDER!” should have been raised. Someone should ask Sen. Coburn why he just sat there and took it.
@John Cooper: You’re going to criticize him for saying “regular order” instead of “point of order?”
Completely Reckless, Completely Irresponsible
from the Office of Senator Mitch McConnell
Thursday, December 17, 2009
Full release at:
http://mcconnell.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=320943&start=1
@Mike’s America
I wasn’t watching CSPAN, so I didn’t see exactly what happened, but yes, Coburn’s statement seemed kind of limp to me. When the reading was interrupted and Sen. Sanders was granted the floor against all precedent, why not a “Mr. President, I object!”?
I suspect that the move was so blatant and unexpected that it simply caught Coburn off guard. If that’s the case, it’s more of a disappointment than a criticism. Coburn should have caned Sanders like the olden days (r, d, & g) .
@John Cooper: I heard the audio and Coburn’s objection was immediate.
Besides caning, what should he have done?
Mike–
I’ve already posted that I thought a Point of Order should have been raised. I hate to refer to Wikipedia, but here it is:
Now I understand that there were probably only two Senators in the room at the time – the President excepted – and maybe parliamentary procedure isn’t Coburn’s strong suit, but “POINT OF ORDER!” should have been the first words out of Coburn’s mouth after “regular order”.
From Roberts Rules of Order:
Once again, I’m not criticizing, just disappointed that available parliamentary options were not taken advantage of on our side.
IOW, we let them get away with it.
Wooooo…Make my millennium: Reid threatens around-the-clock votes through Christamas if GOP won’t back down
Go Jim GO!
@John Cooper: It’s been so long since I paid any attention to rules of order that I couldn’t tell you the difference between a call for “regular order” and “point of order.”
Correct me if I am wrong, but I’m getting the impression that you are looking for ways to be critical of our team. Even when they do what many have long demanded.
On the other hand, I prefer to stress what they have done RIGHT.