New Poll Shows Large Number Want Bush Back

And, Sarah’s rating is within one point of BO’s approval rating…

Well, GWB did say history would judge him differently than his poll numbers…who knew it would be before the 1 year anniversary that BO was sworn in?

@Real American Patriot:

Poor Bruce. Still worshiping at ObaMeister’s feet I see.

Still unemployed too probably.

The most dynamic personality he was not, but he meant business and he has class. Way more class than George and Weezie Jefferson who occupy the White House now.

Rush added onto the Hoax and Change today — just happened to catch part if his show where he was calling it Hoax and Chains.

I agree with Ann Monterey — Bush 43 said more than once, history would prove him more right than wrong. . .

@Mike’s America:
I’m glad you stole it from Rush and wrote it here as I didn’t hear Rush say it yet. So, now I’ll be sure to share it with those brainwashed by ‘The One’.

Mike thank you for re-posting the Bush Thank-A-Thon, I enjoyed it so much the first time and I’m definitely longing for the time when a real man was in Our House.

2010 will be a year that will live in infamy for the leftists…they will regret that they’ve alienated the real America.

Old Trooper: I am an American Patriot in every regard. I too wore the uniform. I just don’t buy the BS that apparently you have bought into. The BS that says to be an American Patriot I need to be a conservative. Sorry Trooper

Mike, Will I see a positive article on this Blog about Obama’s speech at Oslo??

Something tells me that won’t happen. I guessing you are unable say or write a positive word about Obama.

@Real American Patriot:

Well, let’s take a peek at what a democrat had to write about the Oslo speech:

The Nobel Speech

I listened to it this morning quite early and posted at NRO. Bottom line: an academic sermon on peace/war with the now accustomed Obama characteristics:

1) long again (4,000 words); 2) “I” or “me” 34 times: same old self referencing; 3) the inadvertent cosmic arrogance [“I do not bring with me today a definitive solution to the problems of war.” = you think?]; 4) straw men trope: some say this; others say that; but I uniquely say…; 5) reference to my own personal inspirational story; 6) trash my predecessor or his policies; 7) end with hopey/changey cadences.

That was pretty much it—a pulpit exegesis that could have been cut to 500 words. I would have done the speech in 10 minutes and used the extra time to have lunch with poor neglected King Harald. (Second recommendation: Obama should try to hire some speech-writers over 40. There are a lot of old pro Democrat wordsmiths around that might come in and offer something new other than the now tired boilerplate.)

Be sure and read the rest of Victor Davis Hanson’s column; note the list of catastrophes, or as he writes:

“….after 11 months there has emerged aseries of bothersome incidents that the public has come to associate with Obama, both the man and his philosophies. Some are major policy issues; others trivial acts of no cosmic importance. None in themselves matter all that much. Each gaffe or mistake was contextualized and mended, or attended to by Robert Gibbs. Some are Obama’s fault; others the work of associates. Sometimes mere chance is the culprit.

I know Bush had his own list of catastrophes; other Presidents did as well. Again, my point is not trying to adjudicate relative culpability, but rather just to remind us all how and why Obama dived over 20 points in the polls in just 11 months—and his speeches transformed from inspirational to caricatures.

http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/why-are-we-tiring-of-obama/

BTW, did you notice the “dived 20 points in the polls in just 11 months”……he’s still trending DOWN, both President Bush and Sarah Palin are trending up. The only thing Obama has improved on is Afghanistan because he finally did something, 49% (probably conservatives) are supporting him now. Domestic issues…..he stinks.

RAP,

I don’t believe you need to be Conservative or Liberal to witness an undermining of American values by this President.

Can you see the day when the German population would applaud their President bowing to a foreign leader? How about France?

He made many commitments during the campaign that he either had no intention of fulfilling or he just lied. You really don’t need a C or an L behind your name to dislike that. Transparency? Reaching across the aisles? No new taxes? As Obama likes to say, Words, just words.

Simply watching his approval numbers slide would indicate many others feel the same way.

George Bush Thank-a-thon, huh? Thanks for the deficits, our trillions of dollars in new debt to the communist Chinese, the mired-down stupid Iraq War, the mismanaged Afghanistan War, a bang up Katrina response, torturing people at US military facilities, and exploding entitlements by signing a drug bill that was not paid for? Thanks for that? You guys sure are masochists!

I suppose you cons REALLY BELIEVE he deserves to be THANKED for the job he did as president, don’t you? And yet you wonder why the GOP is held in such low regards. Here is a hint — when someone’s job performance over eight years, on the whole, sucks, you do not give them a medal. That would only encourage others to do the same abysmal level of performance. Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations . . . no wonder you people think Palin is a genius and would make a “good” president!

@B-Rob:

Brotha B-Rob, another strawman, whatever opposition candidate that challenges the manchild will be running on their own ideals and accomplishments, what you need to be concerned with is a challenge from your own party.

What you don’t seem to get is that the people aren’t liking your guy, more and more are getting fed up with failure after failure, the bold faced lies in their pathetic attempts to explain it all away. Hence his support is going down, 20 points to date, Bush and Palin up and Bush isn’t even lifting a finger to respond to the attacks that find their way into every damn speech the manchild delivers. Common sense would tell the “slow one’ that it isn’t working anymore, but like you, he doesn’t catch on.

Dr. Hanson provided a list of grievances in the link I provided, commenters added to the lengthy list. Wait til amnesty comes up, the public already realizes what a hit to healthcare that will bring, they also realize that when Obamapompousass tells them no illegals will be covered in our healthcare it’s just another lie because he fully intends to make the illegals…..legal. No rationing? another lie, 60 +% have figured that out.

Members of your own party are taking notice, that’s why we have “I’m sorry I voted for Obama” websites and “Forgive me for voting for Obama” signs posted in front lawns. Democrats linking up with the tea parties, 36% approval rating on the healthcare bill the mesmerizing Harry Reid is attempting to shove down everyone’s throat with the idiot in chief’s full support. That’s a winner.

How about they count unemployment correctly B-Rob? They undercounted last month by what, a mere million or so? What’s a million when the “t” word is at one’s disposal anyway.

@B-Rob:

would the readers of this board rather have unemployment at 6% in October 2010, knowing that it will elect more Dems and strengthen Obama, or have it at 12%?

When the democrats took over the House the unemployment rate was 4.6%, when Obama was Inaugurated it was 7.6% ten months later, after promising 3.7 million jobs the magical Stimulus they passed into law was going to create, we are sitting at 10%* unemployment with 3.6 million out of work.

*that number doesn’t include “real unemployment” those who have left the job market or are working at part time capacity.

Perhaps you can explain how, in 10 months, these whiz kids are going to drop it back down to 6% while enacting new laws that will hamper small business growth. Since small business is the engine of our economy, why would they hire knowing new taxes and regulations will be added to the burdens they are already bearing? Why would they hire knowing the tax credit the democrats plan to offer expires 12 months later? or the credit for new hires phases out in two years? yet, they will be operating under the threat of an inheritance tax, healthcare tax, cap and trade, card check.

I’m pretty sure the government will not be able to find slots for 4% of 3.6 million, how they going to do it Brotha B-Rob?

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?series_id=LNS14000000

No one here will answer the question, probably because it will betray the con agenda: they don’t want what is best for America, they want what is best for themselves and their quest for power.

Quest for power? you guys just did that and all we got is a lousy 10% unemployment rate.

Cons opposed a proposed statute that would have required military contractors to provide a legal forum for employees who are sexually assaulted . . . how did that help America?

Where, in the U.S.A. is sexual assault legal, do we not already have police and courts? Are we to now duplicate what we already have in all business or just the evil “military contractors?”

It is why the GOP now has voter identification numbers in the low 20s, which has declined in the last year. And yet what is the response? More of the same.

You need to get up to speed, voter identification means squat. There are twice the conservatives in this country than liberals, conservatives are not going to pull the lever for liberal democrats or Obama and independents are leaving Obama in droves.

Here’s Rasmussens latest generic congressional polling average. Note, the only polling democrats are ahead in is the one democratic polling outfit, Democracy Corp and CNN. CNN doesn’t give their stats and they use registered voters that generally lean democratic instead of the more accurate likely voter polling group. Both CNN and Democracy Corp are outdated:

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RCP Average 11/5 – 12/7 — R-44.2 D-43.4 Republicans +0.8
Bloomberg 12/3 – 12/7 714 LV R-42 D-38 Republicans +4
Rasmussen Reports 11/30 – 12/6 3500 LV R-43 D-39 Republicans +4
Democracy Corps (D) 11/12 – 11/16 875 LV R-45 D-47 Democrats +2
CNN/Opinion Research 11/13 – 11/15 928 RV R-43 D-49 Democrats +6
Gallup 11/5 – 11/8 894 RV R-48 D-44 Republicans +4

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/generic_congressional_vote-901.html

*I added the Ds and Rs to the chart.

Missy, great post!

I’ll pre-emptively predict B-Rob’s response:

“Well, Missy, since you didn’t answer my question directly and simply like I demanded of you, then your TL;DR Wall Of Text means nothing to me, and your position remains INEXPLICABLE.”

The internet-idiocy-denoting contraction TL;DR was invented by folks like B-Rob. If you cannot change their mind in two sentences or less, then you have become “FAIL” personified, and, indeed, are covered with copious amounts of “FAIL”, so much that you might even be drowning in it. Srsly. That’s how these folks think. Oh, and still don’t think you’ll change their mind even if you stay within the two-sentence boundary and follow all their demands and rules for the proper style of debate, becuase they have already decided that their minds will not be changed.

See how fun that is?

Its why I started my answer with, exactly as he commanded of me, a direct answer: “I want the LOWER number…and here’s why…”

At least with my comment, he cannot fall back on the “You didn’t do as I commanded, so you lose.” page in the Liberal debate playbook.

Note: I find the similarities between hard-left debate style and that employed by Islamic practitioners of the deceptive art of taqiyya to be so strikingly similar as to be uncanny.

It must be because they have the same Father. IYKWIM.

No kiddin. If pictures – simple freakin’ pictures – don’t work, then nothing will.

@RBob — just out of curiosity can you quote someone or a site that has stated (in writing) the Republicans will run with a ‘We Want Bush Back’ platform? . . .why does this thought even enter your brain — maybe all that ‘Hoax and Chains’ is falling short of the soaring-rhetorical-teleprompter-promises?

Won’t ACORN, SEIU will have enough ‘votes’ stashed away in their car trunks to make up for any deficits. . .? What are you even stressing about?

@B-Rob, get your panties out of that wad angry little man.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment22/

U.S. Constitution: Twenty-second Amendment

Twenty-Second Amendment – Presidential Tenure

Amendment Text | Annotations

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This Article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.

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If Your reading comprehension skills are as good as Your copy and paste skills, You have nothing more to rant about.

@ Mike’s America –

“You have SOME NERVE talking about deficits.

“And Iraq? Haven’t you figured out that despite the best efforts of folks like you to make us lose WE WON?”

Moron, that entire country is not worth a single one of the Americans who lost their life over George W. Bush’s poor risk assessment concerning Saddam Hussein. Bush’s judgment was off . . .WAY OFF and lotS of brilliant young Americans died too soon because of it. I will not even go into the mismanagement of the invasion, using too few soldiers with not enough equipment, etc. Books have already been written about it so I need only say that “The Forever War” was a complete “Fiasco” because we went “Blind into Baghdad.”

“And when it comes to Katrina, the people in New Orleans got much more help from George Bush than the millions of unemplyed ALL OVER THE U.S. UNDER OBAMA!”

W.t.f.? That is the non-sequitar of the year! Mike, do you actually think the Bush Administration did a GOOD JOB ON Katrina? Do you? See, the thing that destroyed Bush’s credibility is not the f-up, but the “Brownie” remark. He thought they had done a good job! Normal Americans saw that and shook their heads. Only conservatives thought he did swell.

“And the only ‘torture’ going on around here is to have half witted polemicists like yourself continue to dump this same load of hooey day after day when by comparison to Obama Bush shines brighter and brighter.

HA HA HA HA! You slay me!

“You really should know when it is better to stay quiet than reveal to the world what so many of us already know about you.”

No, Mike, I love tweaking you and your pompously self-proclaimed expertise in things international and military. You bring no actual information to the table, Mike, just bluster. But it is one of the things I love about this site: showing you cons the gapping, Mack Truck sized holes in your logic.

Yesss…give in to the HATE, young Skywaker! Feel it within you! The ANGER.

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Read that last post, and tell yourself that it’s us that are full of hatred, craziness, and anger.
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The Bush admin did more than the failures Nagin and Landreiu. These Party Loyalists intentionally did nothing so that you and NPR could milk Katrina for the next ten years. The federal government tried to assist in the early days, but the State and parish and NOLA itself kept rebuffing them. Remember, the fed can’t just waltz in without an invitation from the state.

The millions of dollars that were supposed to be used to plan for something like this and to further reinforce the levies were squandered in the 20 years prior to the hurricane on riverboat casinos and corrupt Democrat politicians and their cronies. The humongous “contingency plan” that cost millions just to study, research, and write was used as a doorstop when it all went down, and, as I said, nothing at all was done on purpose, so that you and NPR and the entire left could have ammunition to use against your hated enemies, the Evil Bushitler and his evil minions.

And it worked! NPR still can’t do a day of radio without the obligatory daily milking of Katrina for the advancement of their marxist agenda. And you believe the lies. Have you seen the pictures of the buses? Parking lots full of buses that were meant to evacuate the folks who decided that they would stay and loot all the businesses alongside the local corrupt cops? Nope, you still think Bush did this, all of it orchestrated meticulously by the evil genius idiot chimp.
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Oh, and B-Rob? That typed laughter doesn’t mitigate or deflect attention from the obvious hatred and anger.

You’re not laughing. You’re breaking the keys off your keyboard, B-Rob, and yelling like you have advanced, terminal Tourette’s, probably about to stroke out. You’re probably scaring the neighbors, you’re so angry.

@BRob — thanks for the laugh — I forwarded your comment to friends–who forwarded your comment(s) out to cyberspace. . . it’s Friday and we all need comic relief…especially after they read all your comments vs the facts presented in this thread alone. . . thanks!

Typical Libtard — you are either distorting facts, ignoring facts presented, issuing ad hominem attacks, straw man reference, and/or putting words in people’s mouths. . .did I cover it all!

Feigned outraged to come?…

@Taqiyyotomist:

Heh! Do you remember what it was like debating the truthers a few years back? They ignored all reasoned response and would leap to the next screwball strawman talking point trying to take you in circles.

Brotha Rob’s style is similar. Difference being, after he get in the weeds with someone, he drops contact, on to someone, something else, the previous conversation no longer exists.

There’s thread after thread in here where he disappears when things get uncomfortable, yet he whines about his questions not being answered.

I think Mata is right, he’s not an attorney in the southside of Chicago, he’s a paralegal. I’m starting to think he may be an apprentice that’s advanced all the way up to parking tickets.

@ Mike’s America –

Hmm . . . “South Side Chicago shyster” is Obama. So I guess Scalia is a “Cleveland shyster” under your definition, and ThomPerhaps the greatest measure of Obama’s declining support is that just 50% of voters now say they prefer having him as President to George W. Bush, with 44% saying they’d rather have his predecessor. as is a “Missouri ambulance chaser”? Amd Roberts is a “DC shill”. You see how empty you rhetoric is? You claim you are some sorta expert on diplomacy . . . and “South Side Chicago shyster” is the best phrase you can come up with? Pretty weak thinking, there . . . Zbig would be embarassed by such a pedestrian effort.

Here is Obama in context:

“Perhaps the greatest measure of Obama’s declining support is that just 50% of voters now say they prefer having him as President to George W. Bush, with 44% saying they’d rather have his predecessor.”

A six percent gulf over his predecessor. And how does that compare to the 2008 presidential election resuilts? Let’s see . . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

52.9% versus 45.7% . . . or to round it, seven points.

Do you see a pattern here? It should be pretty obvious, Mike, given all your book learnin’. Obama beats your beloved Bush at about the same rate as he beat McCain. But he beats them both, soundly. I would LOVE to see his numbers against Palin . . . .

I suspect he would beat everyone of the goofs you cons would put up against him. Why? Because for all your ranting and raving here, Mike, your anger is simply not shared by the American people. REAL AMERICANS like the guy. It’s why he won last year and its why he would win again if the vote was held today.

And you know what else, Mike? With each bank that pays back its TARP funds early, with each Chevy car that wins an award, as the unemployment rate continues to drop — WHO DO YOU THINK LOOKS BETTER, MIKE? Obama? Or the cons who opposed everything he tried to do to buy time and stabilize the economy and stop the bleeding? You cons wanted the American auto industry to just implode without any intervention. How would that have been a “good thing”, Mike, to add to the unemployment numbers when we were already in a recession . . . especially if you could so something to slow down the destruction?

You know how I amd now almost 100% sure the numbers will be better, Mike? I ran into a friend of mine yesterday. She is an in-house “deal” lawyer for a major national commercial real estate developer. She is swamped with deals that have to close before the end of the year, things that died a year ago and are now back on the board. Banks are lending again, so she is finishing development deals.

You know what that means, Mike? We will be ROARING come the third quarter. I can hear you cons now, fretting about fears of inflation from a 4.1% GDP growth in the second quarter! HA HA HA HA!

B-Rob, for Your information, Scalia and Roberts are distinguished Jurists and Supreme Court Judges, Obama never passed a Bar Exam anywhere so Your examples are pointless and the polls indicate a lack of confidence in the Obama directed Policies.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Overall, 46% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704402404574525543109875438.html

The CNN poll also shows that in addition to health care, a majority of Americans disapprove of how Mr. Obama is handling the economy, Afghanistan, Iraq, unemployment, illegal immigration and the federal budget deficit. Put simply, there isn’t a critical problem facing the country on which the president has positive ratings.

An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll conducted from Oct. 22-25 found that the president’s personal ratings have suffered a similar decline. His rating for being honest and straightforward has fallen eight points from January to 33% and his rating for being firm and decisive has fallen 10 points to 27%.

Even more fundamentally, a Washington Post/ABC News poll conducted from Oct. 15-18 shows that the president has now reached a point where less than a majority of Americans believe he will make the right decisions for the country.

A Rasmussen Reports poll released Oct. 26 shows that only one-third of likely voters believe the stimulus package has helped the economy. And two separate Rasmussen Reports polls from earlier this month showed that less than half of likely voters approve of the health-care initiative, while a majority (55%) expect politics to become even more partisan in the coming year. Meanwhile, almost half of respondents told Rasmussen Reports that since Mr. Obama has been in office they are doing worse economically. Respondents by a 62%-27% majority respondents say they trust themselves over the president to make economic decisions facing the nation.

Until recently, Mr. Obama has been able to blame George W. Bush for the country’s economic problems. October’s NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows that while this is still a credible argument, it is less persuasive as the president’s time in office increases.
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If You can read above grammar school level it is presented there for you.
3rd Quarter numbers are not in yet but are not expected to be either “roaring” or “robust”.
I don’t know where you get information but you need to find a credible source. Come back after you do some homework and drop your condescending tone.

That’s all the attention I can spare you today.

B-Rob

Over a trillion dollars worth of commercial real estate comes due in 2010, and almost half of that amount is expected to be underwater. Over 350 billion, which will hit the bottom-line of the already stressed banking industry.

There is some activity, as your friend has noticed, but it is still at record lows. (only 25 billion-worth so far this year vs 33 billion for a “normal” year.” The sales are NOT so much to companies expanding, but to large real-estate companies are buying up the assets of the small ones that are looking to get rid of non-rented properties before they themselves go under.

While you supply a mind-numbing stupid posit, based ONLY on an anecdotal comment from a “friend”, I spend many hours a week perusing the forecasts of the economic indicators. Even then, I would never base a position on my word alone, let alone ONE other dood/doodette.

There is NO financial-outlook periodical in agreement with you, or your “friend”, and the result will also lead to more bank failures. I forecast 1000 banks would fail in a years-time 2 months ago. So far, my projection is holding. I hope I am wrong.

-Your “drop in unemployment” is a mirage. Better known as “hiring for Christmas”. There is less than 10% of hiring managers forecasting expansion in 2010. A record low.

-GM would NOT have fired everyone, and went home. The fact that you and the rest of the economic-illiterates in your party keep claiming this canard, shows how absolutely imperative it is to keep you and your ilk away from the levers of power. Many companies go bankrupt, and most come out stronger for it. What Obama did was Fascistic, and was nothing more than a favor to the union who voted for him. IT WAS A BRIBE FOR VOTES, AND A MEANS TO POWER. In the end, they will go under, with worse results for the employees than would have been otherwise, had they done it last year under existing laws, and without our tax money.

-Inflation will come, regardless of unemployment numbers. The debt-ceiling is evidently made of tissue-paper, and is about to be raised a second time this year….another almost 2 trillion. Our debt-to-GDP ratio is about to pass 100% for the first time since the Depression.

That date with Pollyanna must have gone well for you. The rest of us will continue to watch the data.

I’ll never buy a GM or Chrysler product again.

People claim that Obama has saved the American auto industry. My ass! People like Alan Mullaly, piloting Ford through a re-organizaton and making tough choices without begging for a dime of bailout money are the real heros in salvaging the American auto industry. Allowing GM and Chrysler to go through a normal bankruptcy would have allowed their asset to be sold to companies that might have utilized them productively in a well managed re-incarnation. Instead the only people to win were the company killing unions.

I was recently browsing an issue of Car & Driver while waiting for my oil to be changed when I came across an article about winners and losers in the auto industry. Obama was listed as a loser. Apparently Mr Obama claimed at the White House Correspondents Association dinner that Car & Driver had named him as Auto Executive of the Year and that he was extremely proud of the honor. Car & Driver had to point out that Mr Obama LIED Click HERE for the complete story

Is Obama’s need for adulation of such a nature that he could be labeled a pathological liar? Does the Presidential health care plan include psychiatric counseling?

@ Donald Bly –

I don’t know which is more disturbing — your hatred for America, or your non-existent sense of humor.

“I’ll never buy a GM or Chrysler product again.”

Let’s do a hypothetical where all conservatives think the way you do. Cons account for about 30% of the population, you claim. OK. So you and your fellow 30%ers refuse to buy a GM car or a Chrysler because of Obama. Fine.

And who will that hurt, Bly? Obama? No. It will hurt the Americans who work at those companies, it will hurt their families, the American parts manufacturers, their employees, the banks that lend to the car companies and the parts manufacturers, the communities where their plants are located, the 30 odd states where they have a manufacturing or parts presence, and all their dealerships in each of the 50 states.

Why do you want those people to lose their jobs, Donald Bly? Why do you want our auto industry to go under — just as the Communist Chinese hope happens, so that they can come in and take over the market? Why do you cons (and al Qaeda) want this president to fail at his efforts to maintain this country as the technological, economic, military and political leader of this world?

Why do you conservatives hate America so much?

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“People like Alan Mullaly, piloting Ford through a re-organizaton and making tough choices without begging for a dime of bailout money”

http://myforddreams2.blogspot.com/2009/06/ford-gets-doe-loans-not-bailout-money.html

Yeah, no bailout money . . . just a $3.9 billion loan from Obama. Hmm . . . I guess that “hero” you mentioned is not above a little walking around money, huh?

“Apparently Mr Obama claimed at the White House Correspondents Association dinner that Car & Driver had named him as Auto Executive of the Year and that he was extremely proud of the honor. Car & Driver had to point out that Mr Obama LIED.”

Yeah . . . about that: during that same speech he also said about Michael Steele “Michael, for the last time, the Republican Party does not qualify for a bailout.” And he said “Rush Limbaugh does not count as a troubled asset, I’m sorry.”

I think he was telling a joke, goofball!

“Does the Presidential health care plan include psychiatric counseling?”

For your sake, and that of your family, I hope it does.

@ButtRobber

You should probably take the time to actually read the articles you use to try and bolster your assinine arguements before you link to them.

Ford gets DOE loans, not “Bailout” money, GM & Chrysler didn’t becaause they weren’t “viable companies”

Ford received $5.9 Billion in loans from the Department Of Energy and I want to stress that this is not a “Bailout” this program was initiated in 2007 under the Bush administration and the appropriations were made in 2008 before the industry meltdown.

This money will be used to further develop more fuel efficient cars, including Battery Electric and Plug In Hybrids. But there’s more, it will be used to develop technologies that will reduce weight across the model lineup.

I guess you missed the headline and it was 5.9 billion NOT 3.9 billion. You also, in your haste to rebutt my commentary, failed to notice the timeline. Pathetic.

You assume I hate America… wrong. I hate the payoffs and corruption that marks the Obama administration.

You talk about the damage to the families of the auto workers, the union workers whose intransient demands have helped lead GM and Chrysler down the road to bankruptcy, and I use the term “bankruptcy” very loosely here. You seem to not care one bit about the families of the bond holders whose rights were ignored and whose investment was stolen in favor of ownership positions for the unions. Obama payolla.

Companies come and go. Failure is what weeds out the weak, ill concieved and mismanaged, keeping the American economy strong and vibrant. In nature it is called survival of the fittest.

You lament about all those that will be damaged in the supply chain if GM and Chrysler were allowed to go bust. How many of those same supply chain companies will be hurt when the “reincarnated” GM and Chrysler can’t pay their bills in the future because they are still mismanaged and unable to respond in a timely manner to the changing markets.

If GM and Chrysler had disappeared off the face of the earth other companies would have bought their assets and absorbed them into their operations. If ownership of the assets changes hands it does not mean that there is no need for autoworkers to run those machines (maybe they wouldn’t be union workers, oh dear!) or a need for parts. Dealerships would carry a different line of autos, it just wouldn’t have GM or Chrysler on the marquee.

Mr ButtRob, I suggest you use your “talking points” to heat your home and take a historical look at what happens to workers and the assets of failed companies.

billy bob: Why do you cons (and al Qaeda) want this president to fail at his efforts to maintain this country as the technological, economic, military and political leader of this world?

Why do you conservatives hate America so much?

Again with your blanket, class warfare and insidious lies and insults. There’s not much to you as a “tolerant” person, is there, billy bob? More banner headlines that don’t translate to human compassion.

The comment that conservatives wish this country not to maintain their superior economy, military strength and technology advances is laughably absurd in the face of reality…. that being that *your* POTUS weakens the military budget, denies the commanders on the battlefield the complete resources they request for victory, and is driving our economy into the toilet along with the value of the dollar. The latter which may result in our loss of reserve currency status.

In light of reality vs your rose color hoax and chains spectacles view, why do you… personally… hate America so much to desire watching… nay, encouraging… it’s greatness to dissolve into just another Euro-socialist bankrupt mediocre power?

B-Rob, so far 133 Bank Closures, record National Debt, highest unemployment since the Depression and no 3rd Qtr. data in yet.

Fannie, Freddie and Ginnie hopelessly burdened with debt and borrowed TARP cash to be thrown at these failed Govt. Entities that are poorly managed. I see nothing to cheer about there.

Polls that You don’t understand (or won’t) indicate that the Obama Admin policies do not have the confidence of the American People as I posted.

Regarding arguments with Fools or exchanging personal insults here, I refuse to do that.
Present them in person and I am more that willing to accommodate your “needs”. I find your perspective to be less than prudent and I am not intimidated by your bar room approach to discussion, however I will not sink to your level here. To be quite frank, keyboard courage is no substitute for the logic that you seem to lack.

If I do not respond to Your future postings it is out of respect for the forum here and your apparent personal issues are Your Problem. I do not argue with fools or present personal insults on the internet. I hope you are clear on that. Present me with that in person with that. I am in Kandahar right now so come on over. I’m kinda busy here. I can spare you 10 minutes and world class first aid afterwards.

Ya mean how FDIC’s Sheila Blair was publicly insisting that the FDIC wasn’t bankrupt, and everything would be okay?” That was at the same time the FDIC played a few monetary figure games and infused some “special assessment fees” and TLGP funds to the DIF.

Twas but a month later when the September projections came out that bank failures were going to cost $100 bil over the next four years, taking it into a negative balance anyway.

But as Jake Towne pointed out in that article, ’tis a bit tough for the FDIC to genuinely go bankrupt since they’ll just fire up the Fed Reserve printing presses… assuming they aren’t already out of ink.

This negative balance, and perhaps out of ink in the printing press stockroom, may be the reason the FDIC was suggesting the banks pre-pay their deposit insurance premiums for 2009 4Q, and for the entire years of 2010, 2011 and 2012 in one fell swoop just a month ago.

Apparently, under this admin, “pay as you go” is now passe…. the idea is to pay upfront (like O’healthcare), and let ‘em spend the money in advance.

David Spurr at The Daily Markets called that turd a turd, immediately labeling it a sham. A form of extortion for bailout funds that creates an “asset” on the bank’s balance sheets while simultaneously draining it of cash and liquidity… all vital for that lending that Geither’s been screaming about (apparently falling on billy bob’s deaf ears). He spent quite a bit of time hunched over coffee and donuts in November, trying to come up with a low capital program to get the money flowing.

But most small banks steer away because of onerous TARP restrictions. Geee? Ya think?? So after having their way with the TARP funds (this admin and Congress did have release and control over half of that money, and still haven’t shown us the money trail…), they’re rethinking the “tight restrictions” (HA… that’s an oxymoron…) on TARP and thinking of usurping Congressional rules and lightening up on the demands. This is, of course, if there’s anything left after the Zero admin illegally uses TARP funds for other purposes such as home loan modification programs and home weatherization incentives.

Typical idiocy of making the same mistake again, hoping for a different outcome. ala the fact that Obama’s original loan mod plan has only resulted in 1711 permanent modifications, but has lots over 400,000 “trial” modifications. And of course, the Treasury’s not too transparent when how these are coming along, either….

Then add

*Obama’s promise to follow thru on achieving cap and trade like results via EPA regs,
*a further fall in US dollar’s value, rising oil and “prepaying” for expensive alternative energies
*higher rates that will lead to dropping prices and a new rush of short sales,
*rising defaults and foreclosures
*Congress, asking taxpayers to “pre-pay” for health insurance that is further on the horizon

and it’s easy to see all will translate to less disposable household income.

Doesn’t take a “climate scientist” to see that da economic sheeeeeet ought to *start* flying mid to late next year, and have us by the nuts for decades. We’re told to save (and in fact, being forced to), while also being told to spend and contribute to a recovery.

duh wuh…

Meanwhile guys like billy bob will continue to tell us to just ignore that man behind the curtain, and look at the pretty headlines and speech talking points.

@ Old Trooper and Ay Chihuahua –

I know you guys all hope the country goes to hell like Glenn Beck claims it is. But the truth is, it is not. Public opinion polls or no public opinion polls, the fact is that we are turning in the right direction.

I know that pains you. I know you want 15% unemployment and double digit inflation . . . but it’s not going to happen. Nope, we will be rolling come the third quarter of 2010. Then Michelle Obama’s youngest decision will be whether to let the girls have different bed rooms during the second term.

@B-Rob:

Michelle Obama’s youngest decision

I think you must have meant….. Michelle Obama’s “immature” decision, a true fit.

Donald

You will increasingly find that Rob excels in the “strawman”. He argues with his own internal voices, that he attributes coming from you. Debate grade: “F”. This shows a strong pre-conceived position, unable to accept new datum.

He will also attempt to diminish your posit by “position-association”. See how Glen Beck is constantly brought to the fore, no matter the topic. Debate grade: “F”. This betrays an internal methodology, in that because HE uses populist information for his posit(s), then YOU must also be doing the same. Which means bringing up Beck, or any other highly visible person to transfer his emotional hate he has for them, onto you, regardless of the facts shown, or the source cited.

Then there is the “comparator”. The old standby, in which anything seen as “bad” in the present tense, is immediately compared to past events. or persons. Debate grade: “F”. We have witnessed this weak tact countless times.

Distributed among his scatology of debate tactics, is the ever-present name-calling. Which by itself shows weakness-of-position, but can be excused when 4th-order exasperation is attained by whomever is having to deal with his inane, fact-less, and pathetic methodology.
In this light we witness Mike’s America, and almost everyone else who’s had the misfortune of attempting a serious debate with him end up cussing him out…which he remarkably sees as a net-positive for his position. (or lack there-of, because the difference is so slight.)

All this leads on to wonder why in light of the fact that not only is he here alone, and suffering along at a 1% “correct” quotient, does he continue to come back over and over and over and…?

I suspect masochistic tendencies.

Facts, data, experience, history, quotes, research…none of this matters to him, as they can all be internally re-defined so-as to trigger the external “hate-strength”, that substitutes for the lack of an internal “love-strength”. Many Progressive suffer this malady.

I recommend ridicule. One need not even feel bad about doing so, as he will actually feel better (and more loved) when you do.

You may now fart in his general direction.

@Mike

LOL!!! EXACTLY like that!

(I knew you wouldn’t let me down!)

@MataHarley:

I’m still waiting for The Smartest Guy In the Room^TM to explain to all of us mouth-breathing, bottom-dwelling dolts exactly how “we are turning in the right direction”.

Oh yeah, we’re gonna need something more than a “friend” who supposedly said that the commercial real estate has miraculously come back to life.

@Aye

Yeah…He needs to come back soon, because my methane-based gaseous emanations are ready for more “discussion”, and it’s starting to get uncomfortable.