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Too soon old; too late smart! That’s us. I hope the Republicans who didn’t vote in 2008 in order to “teach the Republicans a lesson” are happy with their non-choice. They’re largely the ones who put us here!
So, you are saying Tiger Woods isn’t a great golfer ?
kathie
14 years ago
Tiger Woods is a great golfer, Barack Obama ran a great campaign, the media not only made up their great person-hood, they have covered up anything and everything that might lead the average reader to detect that they have gigantic flaws.
John Wright
14 years ago
@Gayle Miller: Back up Gayle the Republicans taught them selves a lesson by running Mc Cain, no thank you i’ll vote Libertarian.
Polls never seemed to count when George B was in but now all of a sudden they do! President Obama still has a long way to go before he gets to George Bush’s numbers in the low 20’s.
Want to guess how low Obama can go by the end of his term?
John Wright
14 years ago
Mike: I just see the differences in Degrees, Mc Cain supported Cap and Trade of some sort also Health Care. Neither Party is willing to get out of the way and let us become all we can be.. No mission to difficult no sacrifice to great Duty first. Lie Khe Viet Nam 68-69
@John Wright: There is a REAL difference between Republicans and Democrats. No one would suggest we would have anything like the funny business going on now under Obama if McCain had been elected.
Keep that in mind before you hand Obama another four years in the White House.
Joe SixPack
14 years ago
I highly doubt he will get as low as GW, it took George a lot of work to get that low.
The economy is turning, slowly I agree but will be improving by the next election. Afghanistan is hitting President Obama some in my judgment because he didn’t shoot from the hip and deliberated on it. (I know many will use the term “dither” but many of those are the ones that took their eye off the real issue in Afghanistan and started an unneeded war). By setting a timetable that is adjustable if need be (adjustable… something missed by many) it puts the Afghanistan government on some notice that they have to get moving. When Iraq found out that our time there wasn’t going to be endless they started moving a bit faster.
Mr. Irons
14 years ago
I woudln’t make the comment that the economy is turning around. The drop in unemployement is mostly acredited towards Seasonal employement for holiday retail vendors, so expect that number to climb back up at the end of Feb 2010. And once the EPA starts to iron hand regulations onto businesses, expect a large cut in employement in the Energy and Communication field. A few Aircraft businesses, including the one I once worked for, has already begun the process of terminating operating faclities across the Nation while laying off or terminating employees within the labor and management chains of these areas. If that is a healthy economical indicator, I guess I’m living in the wrong world. Businesses are also in freezing mode for part-time employement and long-time employement across the Nation as they await to see the economical burderns that will be placed on their annual fiscal budgets by the Cap and Trade bill filibustered in Senate along with the Health Care bill. Both bills could sepeartly cost a company roughly 2,000 dollars per employee(mean value pending employee’s status on the bills). So essentialy, an employee new or currently employed could cost the business an extra 3,000 up to 6,000 dollars in taxes per year alone and with a business covering over 50 people (say a resturant) will end up gutting out 150,000 dollars to 300,000 dollars per year out of that business’s budget. This alone has gotten many businesses on a razor’s edge about keeping employees or terminating them.
Then there’s the problem of captial investments such as land or machine upgrades for a business within the Cap and Trade bill and the ammount of taxation those would impose on businesses of all ilk. I’m not even remotely understanding the draconian nightmare of the money that will be taxed in this reguard but it’s so far sounding steeper than employee taxes incured onto the business, which again means less fiscal budget per year which means less employeed.
@Joe SixPack: You want to keep dissing on Bush then I am going to keep bringing up the FACT that Obama’s polling is the LOWEST IN MODERN HISTORY for a first term president.
I agree but will be improving by the next election.
Awww, how cute, another of those clinging to that hope and change thingy…..”that have little to do with reality!”
Afghanistan is hitting President Obama some in my judgment because he didn’t shoot from the hip and deliberated on it.
Deliberated? Is that why Obama and members of his war cabinet after “dithering” for months had no idea what the commander on the field, General McCrystal’s belief in what his ordered mission was until after Thanksgiving?
(I know many will use the term “dither” but many of those are the ones that took their eye off the real issue in Afghanistan and started an unneeded war).
No issue to take any eyes off, NATO was in command of the Afghanistan war, until Obama.
This just in:
New Evidence of Saddam-Terrorism Links
The rationale for pushing forward in Afghanistan is that it is the “right” war, the “war of necessity,” the true base of the terrorists that attacked us on 9/11 and would try to attack us again. Essentially, those opposing the war in Iraq while supporting the war in Afghanistan try to frame the latter conflict as justified in every way the former is not. As the war in Iraq ever so slowly comes to a close and the history books begin being written, new evidence has emerged to challenge the narrative that the war in Iraq was something different than the war on terror.
>snip<
The lead prosecutor of Saddam Hussein, Ja’far al-Musawi, says that he has seen official documents that prove that his regime was involved with Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri. Last year, a Kurdish newspaper published an Iraqi intelligence document from 2002 referencing a proposed meeting with al-Zawahiri to discuss a “revenge operation” against Saudi Arabia at Saddam Hussein’s request. If previous ties had not been maintained and if there was such hostility between the secularist government of Saddam and al-Qaeda as is assumed, such a plan would never have been hatched by Saddam or been acted upon by his intelligence service.
A source at the Iraq Memory Foundation, which is going through thousands of files to document Saddam Hussein’s reign, has reported that they have seen documents showing a link between Saddam and al-Qaeda. One document dated December 12, 1994, reveals that Uday Hussein received a message from Osama bin Laden via a Sudanese politician requesting an alliance. A meeting between bin Laden, an Iraqi government representative, and the Sudanese official then happened on January 11, 1995, where cooperation in attacking foreign forces in Saudi Arabia was discussed. The foundation said another file shows that Iraqi intelligence suggested to bin Laden that he leave Sudan for security reasons and that the ties continued after he moved to Afghanistan. Another document dated March 28, 1992, describes bin Laden as being “in a good relationship” with Iraqi intelligence in Syria. Other documents have provided immense detail of the Saddam-terror connection.
Iyad Allawi, the former prime minister of Iraq, said that his government collected proof of such ties. He said that Ayman al-Zawahiri attended the Popular Islamic Conference in Baghdad in 1999, an event chaired by the Iraqi vice president that brought together representatives of terrorist groups from around the world. Allawi said that Iraqi intelligence facilitated the travel of Ansar al-Islam operatives in the north, and he confirmed that the U.S. gave intelligence to Iraq via Jordan about the location of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq in 2002, but the Iraqis did not take any action.
Unneeded? surely you jest. Much more, be sure to follow the source links:
Way before this new information, there was that bipartisan document…”Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq” that passed in the House, 296 to 133 and the Democratic controlled Senate, 77 to 23. Before that there was:
Public Law 105-235 (passed under President Clinton) that urged the President “to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations.”
Plain and simple, cowardly Democrats reneged, lied, distracted and stomped their feet all to dirty up Bush at a time of war…….to gain power for themselves.
By setting a timetable that is adjustable if need be (adjustable… something missed by many) it puts the Afghanistan government on some notice that they have to get moving.
Adjustible, who knows, half his people say yes, half say no, so I guess you are free to say anything you want because there is more than one message coming out of Obama’s team about a timetable.
When Iraq found out that our time there wasn’t going to be endless they started moving a bit faster.
No, the Sunnis, after rejecting the horror of al Qaeda began to allign with our forces allowing the Bush surge to turn it all around, the huckster Obama just recently admitted to that but, not to the “American people.” Then the Iraqi gov’t worked through the SOFA with the Bush administration, much to candidate Obama’s chagrin.
firefirefire
14 years ago
The old media is mainly responsible for the election of BHO.
They gave this guy a complete pass on every negative thing that came out about him during the campaign.
As I watched the campaign,several things occurred that I was certain,CERTAIN would end this novices bid for the presidency.
1) The Rev.God-Damn America Wright revelation.
Imagine any other candidate from any political party having sat in that racists church for twenty years,being elected once that information became public.
2) “My typical white grandmother…”
Could any white candidate from any party have survived talking about a “typical black person…”? No way.
3) Obamas lies about his association with weather underground terrorist Bill Ayres.
4) Obamas “Spread the wealth” comment to Joe the plumber.
instead of pounding candidate Obama with questions about this comment, the media went instead on a quest to destroy the voter who simply asked a candidate a question.
5) Obamas association with Tony Rezko and his shady land deals while a chicago politician.
6) Candidate Obamas total lack of executive experience in either business or legislative matters.
It was the failure or collusion of the fourth estate that was responsible for not fully informing the population of the qualifications and associations of a candidate for the nations highest office.
Tiger Woods may be a serial womanizer and adulterer,but there is no doubt that he is a talented golfer, Barack Obama may be faithful to his wife,but there is now no doubt,that he is a horrible, inept and possibly corrupt;president.
God help us.
Joe SixPack
14 years ago
“It was the failure or collusion of the fourth estate that was responsible for not fully informing the population of the qualifications and associations of a candidate for the nations highest office.”
I would change that to:
It was the failure or collusion of the fourth estate that was responsible for not fully informing the population of the highly questionable justification for launching a poorly designed war against Iraq.
If we use the weak justification (even adding in the after the fact terrorist connections) for war with Iraq as the litmus test for going to war against a country, Iraq would have been several countries down the list. Korea would have been first on the list, which clearly has WMDs and much closer to being able to deliver them than Iraq. George just wanted pay back for his father, evidence is coming out they started planning an attack on Iraq before 9/11, and not just contingency planning.
Iraq should have been contained, the circle around Iraq shrunken to the point that Hussein would have been meaningless and eventually replaced. Change of government would have happened at some point in the last eight years in a much more orderly fashion (at least for us) and with few if any Americans dying. Maybe the Iraq Civil war would have still happened but it wouldn’t have taken American lives. We would have watched from the sidelines and gotten pretty much the same results (less the thousands of dead and wounded, and billions of wasted money)
Well said, and simply put, but the list goes on, and on, . . . the signs were there for those who wanted to read them. Many indicators were very obvious and prominent.
Here was someone heading for the leadership of the world’s principal democracy, a nation built by hard working and industrious individuals, and this candidate had absolutely no idea what was required to run a lemonade stand successfully. More importantly, he demonstrated little interest or inquisitiveness in the wheels of the economy.
There were other “Tells,” but IMHO, here was the THIRD TELL:
As for the “corrupt” part, the records of Senators who took money and how much, is a good place to start. Guess who was #2 recipient behind Kerry of the Fannie Mae largesse? . . . Just a wild guess, . . .
Too soon old; too late smart! That’s us. I hope the Republicans who didn’t vote in 2008 in order to “teach the Republicans a lesson” are happy with their non-choice. They’re largely the ones who put us here!
So, you are saying Tiger Woods isn’t a great golfer ?
Tiger Woods is a great golfer, Barack Obama ran a great campaign, the media not only made up their great person-hood, they have covered up anything and everything that might lead the average reader to detect that they have gigantic flaws.
@Gayle Miller: Back up Gayle the Republicans taught them selves a lesson by running Mc Cain, no thank you i’ll vote Libertarian.
@John Wright: Obama thanks you.
Polls never seemed to count when George B was in but now all of a sudden they do! President Obama still has a long way to go before he gets to George Bush’s numbers in the low 20’s.
@Joe SixPack: Maybe you should look at the HISTORIC LOW Obama has in his first year compared to the first year of other Presidents INCLUDING BUSH:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx
Want to guess how low Obama can go by the end of his term?
Mike: I just see the differences in Degrees, Mc Cain supported Cap and Trade of some sort also Health Care. Neither Party is willing to get out of the way and let us become all we can be.. No mission to difficult no sacrifice to great Duty first. Lie Khe Viet Nam 68-69
@John Wright: There is a REAL difference between Republicans and Democrats. No one would suggest we would have anything like the funny business going on now under Obama if McCain had been elected.
Keep that in mind before you hand Obama another four years in the White House.
I highly doubt he will get as low as GW, it took George a lot of work to get that low.
The economy is turning, slowly I agree but will be improving by the next election. Afghanistan is hitting President Obama some in my judgment because he didn’t shoot from the hip and deliberated on it. (I know many will use the term “dither” but many of those are the ones that took their eye off the real issue in Afghanistan and started an unneeded war). By setting a timetable that is adjustable if need be (adjustable… something missed by many) it puts the Afghanistan government on some notice that they have to get moving. When Iraq found out that our time there wasn’t going to be endless they started moving a bit faster.
I woudln’t make the comment that the economy is turning around. The drop in unemployement is mostly acredited towards Seasonal employement for holiday retail vendors, so expect that number to climb back up at the end of Feb 2010. And once the EPA starts to iron hand regulations onto businesses, expect a large cut in employement in the Energy and Communication field. A few Aircraft businesses, including the one I once worked for, has already begun the process of terminating operating faclities across the Nation while laying off or terminating employees within the labor and management chains of these areas. If that is a healthy economical indicator, I guess I’m living in the wrong world. Businesses are also in freezing mode for part-time employement and long-time employement across the Nation as they await to see the economical burderns that will be placed on their annual fiscal budgets by the Cap and Trade bill filibustered in Senate along with the Health Care bill. Both bills could sepeartly cost a company roughly 2,000 dollars per employee(mean value pending employee’s status on the bills). So essentialy, an employee new or currently employed could cost the business an extra 3,000 up to 6,000 dollars in taxes per year alone and with a business covering over 50 people (say a resturant) will end up gutting out 150,000 dollars to 300,000 dollars per year out of that business’s budget. This alone has gotten many businesses on a razor’s edge about keeping employees or terminating them.
Then there’s the problem of captial investments such as land or machine upgrades for a business within the Cap and Trade bill and the ammount of taxation those would impose on businesses of all ilk. I’m not even remotely understanding the draconian nightmare of the money that will be taxed in this reguard but it’s so far sounding steeper than employee taxes incured onto the business, which again means less fiscal budget per year which means less employeed.
@Joe SixPack: You want to keep dissing on Bush then I am going to keep bringing up the FACT that Obama’s polling is the LOWEST IN MODERN HISTORY for a first term president.
Get used to it!
Dang… Bush makes it into the gossip thread too?? Desperate….
You oughta do something about that unhealthy obsession, sixpack.
Anyone want to wager that the unemployment numbers being reported are as factual as the AGW numbers/data?
Why is there a general assumption that if you are a world beating golfer, you are also intelligent, or principled?
. . . and similarly, why is it assumed that if you can deliver a good sermon or speech, you can run a country?
Isn’t there a truism about “Assumptions” . . . something about . . . asses, you, me . . . etc.? Hmm.
@Joe SixPack:
Awww, how cute, another of those clinging to that hope and change thingy…..”that have little to do with reality!”
Deliberated? Is that why Obama and members of his war cabinet after “dithering” for months had no idea what the commander on the field, General McCrystal’s belief in what his ordered mission was until after Thanksgiving?
No issue to take any eyes off, NATO was in command of the Afghanistan war, until Obama.
This just in:
>snip<
Unneeded? surely you jest. Much more, be sure to follow the source links:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/new-evidence-of-saddam-terrorism-links/
Way before this new information, there was that bipartisan document…”Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq” that passed in the House, 296 to 133 and the Democratic controlled Senate, 77 to 23. Before that there was:
Plain and simple, cowardly Democrats reneged, lied, distracted and stomped their feet all to dirty up Bush at a time of war…….to gain power for themselves.
For your reading pleasure:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/who_lied_about_iraq.html
Adjustible, who knows, half his people say yes, half say no, so I guess you are free to say anything you want because there is more than one message coming out of Obama’s team about a timetable.
No, the Sunnis, after rejecting the horror of al Qaeda began to allign with our forces allowing the Bush surge to turn it all around, the huckster Obama just recently admitted to that but, not to the “American people.” Then the Iraqi gov’t worked through the SOFA with the Bush administration, much to candidate Obama’s chagrin.
The old media is mainly responsible for the election of BHO.
They gave this guy a complete pass on every negative thing that came out about him during the campaign.
As I watched the campaign,several things occurred that I was certain,CERTAIN would end this novices bid for the presidency.
1) The Rev.God-Damn America Wright revelation.
Imagine any other candidate from any political party having sat in that racists church for twenty years,being elected once that information became public.
2) “My typical white grandmother…”
Could any white candidate from any party have survived talking about a “typical black person…”? No way.
3) Obamas lies about his association with weather underground terrorist Bill Ayres.
4) Obamas “Spread the wealth” comment to Joe the plumber.
instead of pounding candidate Obama with questions about this comment, the media went instead on a quest to destroy the voter who simply asked a candidate a question.
5) Obamas association with Tony Rezko and his shady land deals while a chicago politician.
6) Candidate Obamas total lack of executive experience in either business or legislative matters.
It was the failure or collusion of the fourth estate that was responsible for not fully informing the population of the qualifications and associations of a candidate for the nations highest office.
Tiger Woods may be a serial womanizer and adulterer,but there is no doubt that he is a talented golfer, Barack Obama may be faithful to his wife,but there is now no doubt,that he is a horrible, inept and possibly corrupt;president.
God help us.
“It was the failure or collusion of the fourth estate that was responsible for not fully informing the population of the qualifications and associations of a candidate for the nations highest office.”
I would change that to:
It was the failure or collusion of the fourth estate that was responsible for not fully informing the population of the highly questionable justification for launching a poorly designed war against Iraq.
If we use the weak justification (even adding in the after the fact terrorist connections) for war with Iraq as the litmus test for going to war against a country, Iraq would have been several countries down the list. Korea would have been first on the list, which clearly has WMDs and much closer to being able to deliver them than Iraq. George just wanted pay back for his father, evidence is coming out they started planning an attack on Iraq before 9/11, and not just contingency planning.
Iraq should have been contained, the circle around Iraq shrunken to the point that Hussein would have been meaningless and eventually replaced. Change of government would have happened at some point in the last eight years in a much more orderly fashion (at least for us) and with few if any Americans dying. Maybe the Iraq Civil war would have still happened but it wouldn’t have taken American lives. We would have watched from the sidelines and gotten pretty much the same results (less the thousands of dead and wounded, and billions of wasted money)
@ firefirefire,
Well said, and simply put, but the list goes on, and on, . . . the signs were there for those who wanted to read them. Many indicators were very obvious and prominent.
Here was someone heading for the leadership of the world’s principal democracy, a nation built by hard working and industrious individuals, and this candidate had absolutely no idea what was required to run a lemonade stand successfully. More importantly, he demonstrated little interest or inquisitiveness in the wheels of the economy.
There were other “Tells,” but IMHO, here was the THIRD TELL:
http://pacificgatepost.com/2009/03/obama-third-tell.html
As for the “corrupt” part, the records of Senators who took money and how much, is a good place to start. Guess who was #2 recipient behind Kerry of the Fannie Mae largesse? . . . Just a wild guess, . . .
@ Joe SixPack,
The idiocy of launching the attack on Iraq, does not justify the overreaction that elected more idiocy.
Hmm. Is that a decidedly nelly pose on that magazine cover?