Bow Wow! Obama Does it Again

I read somewhere where it was noted that the ‘Bama Bow’ was not reciprocated by the Emperor or his wife. They understand protocol and what a bow signifies! I’m sure O does, too, but is still going to try to appease as many nations as possible–except, of course, the majority of Americans he’s supposed to be representing.

I would just add that the Japanese consider the blacks to be an inferior race. Obama reinforces this — dare I call it “racism” — by his extremely deferential bow to the Japanese emperor. It’s time for the Obama Administration to ditch the Cliffs’ Notes version of protocol.

To SoCal Chris

PLEASE, PLEASE do not use “Bama Bow”!! “BAMA” is the number 1 college football team in the country. Bear Bryant would roll over in his grave if he heard that.

Final thought – We never lower our flag to another country or person, and our President should never bow to anyone under any circumstances.

THIS IDIOT SITTING IN OUR WHITE HOUSE BOWS BEFORE EVERY ONE,,,,HE REPRSENTS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,,,,,WE BOW TO NO ONE,THE ONLY BOW WE DO IN AMERICA IS WHEN WE PRAY TO GOD,,,,,

You people just will not give Obama a break. This photo was obviously out of context. You must have the audio that went with it. It was “I mean Damn, Emperor, that is one hell of a shine on those little Emperor shoes!”

Comparison of bows by Heads of State

Does someone look completely out of place here? Just saying.

http://domania.us/Oaccess/OBAMA/O-JapanBow.gif

Do you think his handlers had him see pictures of how to greet other heads of states or is he just winging it badly?

@Mike’s America: You don’t have to go back to 2007 to see ObamaMao disrespect the colors/anthem. Gateway Pundit posted a photo on Thursday, November 12, titled “Oops! … Obama Forgets to Do Something Again” that shows the same thing happening recently. Just like the 2007 shot, he’s covering his crotch with his hands. The only difference is that now the whole world knows he’s not a patriot and he doesn’t have any balls.

Who is handling this guy? You would think by now they would have found someone who could explain things to him. Hard to believe anyone could screw up this many times so fast! It’s like a SNL skit everyday with this administration.

Nice try, Jerry.

Think its about time I send this loser my old Kneepads

#2 is right on. Lived in Tokyo for three years. A slight head tip is a sign of honoring the person, as a firm hand shake is in America. I think President O’Dumbo just can’t rid himself of the habit of the ‘on the knees/bend over’ position. Rumor has it he had lots of practice in Chicago while smoking crack. At least one guy will swear to it in court.

An international embarrassment.

Thanks PV, this is interesting info. I learned a little of the Japanese customs of respect in the kendo and jiu jitsu dojos, there it was respect of the the sensei and of your opponent.

Funny how Obama wants to humble himself to the point of looking like an insignificant peasant, yet during the national anthem he wants to look like he has a couple of watermelons for huevos. Oh excuse me! I assume it is politically incorrect to mention Obama and watermelons in the same sentence; but damn it, he is the one who keeps re-enforcing that step and fetch it image.

M A that was good, I nearly choked on my cabernet and crackers, thanks, I needed that to face a hard day tomorrow. Unlike the insinuation of the Liberal Lemming, I don’t do Cheetos, strictly a Wheat Thins and cab man. Humor is my addiction, keep them coming my patriot friends.

Another thing I forgot to mention, was that those who DO do the deep bow are NOT to touch the other person at the same time. The hands are to be lightly placed on the side/front of ones own thighs.

Idiot even screws up a screw-up.

He also made the gaff of trying to get the Empress to go through the door first. If you watch her face and eyes carefully during all this, she looks bemused, then confused, then at the end, embarrassed to look up. She was embarrassed FOR him, (which is very Japanese). I’ve seen that look before, fortunately not aimed at me.

My initial struggle was being 6′5″ and 225lbs with a goatee, as I scared the hell out of kids on the trains, and old ladies in stores. A smile and a Ahhhnold imitation (from one of their commercials) made the kids relax, and a straight-down-gaze with head-bow for the old-ones usually did the trick. (Hands on thighs)

By the third trip, the facial hair came off, the contacts were swapped for glasses, and I spent too much money on damn fine Italian suit. Then I looked little less like a “scary big cowboy man” as one of the Japanese secretaries giggled out one day, and more like “nice business man”.

And yes, he has a building full of protocol specialists on staff. It was one of those people who came out to teach us, (she was a Japanese citizen) and we used the government-supplied booklet written by the State Department. That, and I pay attention to the social interactions of people wherever I’ve gone, simply because it fascinates me. I’ve filled 4 passbooks up with stamps, and have been in over 30 countries on business/pleasure, and another 10 or so while in the Navy before that.

Here’s the next thing to look for…His gift. One ALWAYS brings a gift of ones travels, NOT a gift of oneself, unless one is a close friend, and nothing brash, bold, or bragging. Food samples from one’s country is nice also. I always brought M&M’s for the secretaries and technicians, and they would dust off a 2 lb bag in 5 days between the 10 of them. One also presents the gift personally, and not through an underling.

@Patvann:

“My initial struggle was being 6′5″ and 225lbs with a goatee, as I scared the hell out of kids on the trains, and old ladies in stores.”

Oh no! Look out Tokyo! Here comes Patzilla! (dubbing unsynched)

These gaffs by a man that claims foreign policy expertise by saying “Pahk-key-stohn” are no surprise but no less humiliating. Obama is an unmitigated embarrassment.

Obama isn’t our “first Pacific President” either.

Nixon won that title 40 years ago.

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/our-first-pacific-president/

with so many peoples in the world trying to become american they have a mind of admiration for America the brave and where the people can speak so freely about good and bad,thank you.

#36: They did not have too – they especially had no reason — not like this POS continuously provides

THE WORLD ONCE HAD GREAT FEAR OF OUR COUNTRY,THIS IDIOT SITTING IN OUR WHITE HOUSE IS MAKING US THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD,,HE THINKS HE HAS TO BOW,SELL US OUT,OR APOLOGIZE FOR OUR MILITARY THAT THAT HAVE SHED PRECIOUS BLOOD TO HELP OTHER NATIONS GAIN THEIR FREEDOM,FROM DICTATORS, HE HAS BECOME THE FIRST APOLOGIST IN CHIEF,AND HOPEFULLY OUR LAST ONE,

@jo: I believe Obama, through his actions, has created a new word. Opologist: One who apologizes for his country of residence, culture and people. One who apologizes for the people who pay his salary (one who bites the hand that feeds him).

Frankly, I’m always surprised when he doesn’t get down on all fours and lick their shoes.

@Jerry Bowles:

Did I mention that 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudis?

Is al Qaeda at war with the Saudis or not?

Did I mention that none of them were Iraqi?

Did you also mention none of those who attacked us at Pearl Harbor were German?

What’s your point, again?

@John ryan:

Can you imagine the rightwing of America mocking FDR like this when we were at war ? I can’t

FDR knew we were at war. Can you imagine if BHO knew we were at war as well? Instead, he’s on his grand Asia Tour while Afghanistan awaits a decision.

What was your point again?

As for the topic at hand, this is where I rile up my fellow conservatives and say we’re only making ourselves look bad by making this into such a politically partisan and petty issue. I agree with Amy Proctor on this.

Btw, I think this was the bigger flub.

@Wordsmith

As for the topic at hand, this is where I rile up my fellow conservatives and say we’re only making ourselves look bad by making this into such a politically partisan and petty issue. I agree with Amy Proctor on this.

You can’t rile us up, cuz we love ya too much, and we know where your loyalties are!

If this was the only thing he’s done that been of a submissive nature, I too, might give it a pass.

But it seems every day he’s either rolling over on his back for someone, or dis-respecting someone, that in either case is completly upside-down in what would be “normal” for any and all American president’s of the past, of either party.

The fact the we KNOW the department of protocol within the State dept gave him every hint known pertaining to “how to act” (hell even the “cowboy” never did anything close to this) shows us that he thinks he’s above it all.

And we think he’s a freakin commie.

Amy always has some good points, but I can assure you that her bowing all over Asia made her look pretty goofy to the folks there, and as I also spent a huge amount of time in South Korea, (more time than I did Japan) I can assure her and you, that there are differences. Not to mention the “head-dip” that every one does in Korea and Japan vs the deep bow-wilst hand-shaking btween heads-of-state.

It is also wrong for her to compare her experience in a Korean dress shop, vs the leader of the free world meeting the Emperor of Japan.

The populace of both countries are slightly bemused when us round-eyes do our dipping, but once the level of contact is above tourist or worker-drone, it becomes VERY important to the Asian person involved.

Aaaaand we think Obama’s a freakin commie.

There was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded and, in fact, we seem to have originally supported the group that became AQ as long as they were aiming their troublemaking at Iran and Jordan. In any event, we knew where they were before the invasion because our CIA was working with them and could have taken them out with a single air strike but someone, suspected to be Dick Cheney, nixed the idea. Nonetheless, an impressive list and I appreciate your gathering it. Still doesn’t add up to “tens of thousands” and many of them are disputable as to who was really responsible, but impressive nonetheless. The problem is that ‘religious radicalism’ is a small, but powerful, force in the Middle East (just as it is here, I might add). al Qaeda has become a “brand,” the Coke-Cola of jihad. It is not a centralized organization with a headquarters and job titles and flow charts; it is a lunatic idea that some people have that God is telling them that killing infidels is a holy thing to do. And, it is not that different from believing that God is telling you to kill abortion doctors. People who get direct message from God need to be watched in all societies.

In any event, we are never going to beat these people into submission and I think the last eight years in Iraq and Afghanistan have conclusively shown that. We can beat them with ideas if we are true to our core principles of being an open and democratic society that believes that all men are created equal.

There was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded

Snicker.

I almost missed this little gem:

There were no governments involved

Judge Harold Baer, Jr. disagrees with you.

I know how much you claim to respect the US judicial system. Let’s see how quickly you attempt to poo-poo Hizzoner’s judicial ruling on this matter.

I fear Conservatives are making fools of themselves in their desire to fault Obama for everthing. He’s a no-experience novice who makes many blunders, but this really isn’t one of them.

To the question: How did MacArthur treat Hirohito? please tell me we all know the difference between Japan at the time of surrender in WWII and today. The current Emperor said he regrets the war. Japan is now an ally, not an enemy. Of course MacArthur isn’t going to bow to him! That’s absurd.

Exactly what protocol did Obama break? Does it have a number? A name?

I’m an Army wife living in South Korea for the past year and a half (almost). We’ll be here until 2011. Rather than repeating myself, let me just quote myself from my own blog on bowing in the Orient:

The criticism seems to come from the fact that Obama actually bowed, based on a breeched protocol, a protocol which no one seems to be able to specifically identify, and the fact that it was Obama, and that Obama did it.

It’s also based on an opinion piece in the LA Times by Andrew Malcolm titled, “How Low Will He Go? Obama gives Japan’s Emporer a wow bow”. I’m not sure what expertise Mr. Malcolm has in Asian culture, but his argument that “To some in the States, an upright handshake might have looked better” isn’t exactly overwhelming.

As a military wife living in South Korea for a year and a half now, I can tell you that bowing is cultural common place. It is not a sign of disrespect for your own country, it is not a sign of subversion, it is not a sign of obedience, it is not a sign of surrender, it is not a sign of worship; it is a sign of respect.

I bow dozens of times a day. The depth and length is up to the individual and usually determined by the estimate of the person being bowing to. Age and seniority are factors. I bow to the cleaning lady and man, ajumas and adashis daily. I bow to store clerks.

If I want a deep bow, I go down to the local ritzy department store and men adorned in long red coats will give it to me. That’s always special.

Yes, I did see the several smaller bows by the President directed to the Emperor and Empress after his initial, and short, deep bow. That’s akin to a westerner nodding in agreement or giving acknowledgement. I do it when I pass through security points or when I pass Korean construction workers directing traffic.

I also noticed that the Emperor extended his hand to Obama. Both men are trying to meet each other where they are. I also noticed that the Empress gave Obama several slight bows or nods.

Emperor Akihito an historical figure being part of the world’s oldest hereditary monarchy. His country is also a close ally, unlike Saudi Arabia.

Listen, I’m a Reagan Conservative and love watching Obama flub it up, but this is not an issue and we’re being jerks to continue to make a point of out. With all the people I bow to on a daily basis, I think I would probably do a deep bow to the Emperor myself. Obama is trying to tell Japan that we are coming to the table with respect for the Japanese people and respect for your form of government. Let’s not make it more than that. It isn’t.

Now don’t make me defend Barack Obama ever again!

Uri: The diplomacy of appeasement does not work.

A bow isn’t appeasement, if that’s what you’re suggesting. It’s a sign of respect. The Emperor extended his hand which is our custom. They mutually reached out to each other.

Obama’s policy of appeasement is failing everywhere he tries to implement it. There’s no doubt about that. But Japan is an ally, and an important one. They are not Iran, Syria or North Korea.

Can anyone quote what protocol was breached?

Mike’s America: You and I agree on a lot of things. But holding back on dumping on Obama isn’t one of them.

LOL! I enjoy dumping on Obama as much as anyone, but I think it brings down ones crediblity to dump using illegitimate reasons. Really, Obama gives us SO MUCH MATERIAL that you have to weed through the most inflammatory stuff to use on your blog. This just isn’t important. I detest Obama but he did nothing wrong. He didn’t sell out America any more than George W. Bush did when he held hands with the Saudi King (Saudi custom) or when Laura Bush wore a head covering in Afghanistan.

As I said, I live in this culture, and bowing is a beautiful sign of humility. I think Obama may have actually done something right for a change.

Look at the Democratic pundits that we like: Juan Williams, that pretty chick on Fox News (blonde hair, can’t remember her name). They’re both liberal Democrats but when Obama is wrong, they criticize him. They have respect among Conservatives becasue they do that. We should do the same thing, not to suck up but to be legitimate. Who’ll believe your arguments if they think you’re being as partisan and biased as the Left?

All I’m saying is that Obama did nothing wrong. When I go into my Korean friends’ homes, I always take my shoes off, I bow to them….. it’s their homes, their culture, and it may not be mine, but I respect what it represents and what it means to them.

I’ll snap a picture the next time I’m downtown at the big Lotte Department store. The greeters are dressed in long red coats and as you enter the parking deck they give you a big deep bow. About the depth that Barack Obama gave to the Emperor. THIS IS ASIA! IT HAPPENS, PEOPLE!!

Judge Baer (a Clinton appointee) heard a case in 2003 shortly after the invasion was launched and relied almost solely for his finding on the testimony of former CIA director James Woolsley, a man who makes uber-Dicks Cheney and Armey look like flaming liberals. No one ever collected a dime and, in fact, the Bush administration requested that the proceedings not go any further. National security, you know. No one beyond Steven Hayes and Dick Cheney still persist in the nonsense that Saddam Hussein was so dumb he was encouraging radical shites to make trouble. In any event, even the Bush administration stopped claiming four years ago there was a relationship between Iraq and 9/11; there wasn’t. No weapons of mass destruction either.

And, Mike, you still have not produced a shred of evidence that al Qaeda has killed “tens of thousands” of people around the world. The whole list you put together above adds up to fewer than 10,000–counting the World Trade Center–and assuming that every one of them was al Qaeda. That’s a lot and it’s terrible but it not TENS OF THOUSANDS.

Note this tidbit from Wikipedia’s entry on AQI: “According to both the July 2007 National Intelligence Estimate and the Defense Intelligence Agency reports AQI accounted for 15 percent of attacks in Iraq. However, the Congressional Research Service noted in its September 2007 report that attacks from al-Qaeda are less than two percent of the violence in Iraq and criticized the Bush administration’s statistics, noting that its false reporting of insurgency attacks as AQI attacks has increased since the “surge” operations began.”

BTW, seen the picture of Nixon bowing to the Emperor yet?

You’re the one who claimed tens of thousands, not me. I’m assuming that you have simply become frustrated at your inability to back that claim up and decided to go snarky. We’ll talk when you’re feeling better. I’m going to bed.

BTW, I find commenting here difficult sometimes. Sometimes my comments disappear or are blocked. Can you lighten the security measures? I’d love to comment here more frequently.

HOOAH..

@Jerry Bowles:

Of your comments directed to me, all have already been rebutted thoroughly by others in this thread but I do still have a thing or two left to say about your NYC jury trial idea. I was on my way to the Pentagon on 9-11 when the plane hit and I’ve also followed the farcical trial proceedings of Zacarias Moussasoui in Northern Virginia. After tens of millions of dollars were squandered and years of insults and grandstanding by Moussasoui, he’s finally sitting in prison. Considering that he was apprehended here in the United States, there wasn’t much of a choice about trying him here but I think he was allowed to use our system to the advantage of al Qaeda.

There is no reason to bring Khalid Sheik Mohammed to the United States for trial. He is neither an American citizen nor was he captured in the United States. There is no reason that he or his co-conspirators should enjoy the protection of the Constitution. KSM and all of the other terrorists that have been captured around the world do NOT even deserve the various protections granted to them through the misapplication of the Geneva Conventions. Illegal combatants like KSM use vulnerable civilian populations to hide and to target. This tactic ensures that innocent civilians will die or suffer in far greater numbers than if Jihadists observed the laws of land warfare.

To grant Constitutional rights or Geneva Convention protections to terrorists not only gives them a legitimacy they do not deserve but it also does nothing to dissuade Jihadists from directly targeting civilian populations or using them as human shields. With the recent announcement that Obama’s Justice Department intends to try terrorists in US courts, we’ve effectively offered incentives for continued savagery.

Jerry Bowles, have you ever considered that your eagerness to have a show trial in NYC will inspire other animals like KSM to seek the limelight? Do you care? I believe that the WTC conspirators would have received a fair trial at Guantanamo. A military tribunal was deemed adequate for war criminals at Nuremburg, what makes KSM so exceptional for you that he should receive the same rights that you would have as an American citizen? You seem overwrought about whether America is “liked” around the world and for some reason you seem to think a show trial in NYC will achieve this end. I just cannot understand any of that line of thinking but I’ll ask you this: Did the United States’ reputation suffer around the globe because of the Nuremburg trials? What about the lesser known trials conducted for Japanese war criminals?

Instead we’re going to allow NYC to be used as a stage for a lunatic to insult America and the Islamic faith. Please tell me why you think that this will be good and for whom?

@Amy

As precursor, I want to point out that “protocol” is not a law, or a mandate. So in the strictest sense, he can do what ever he wants to do, short of assaulting the poor man. Think of protocol as: “behaviors acceptable to all parties, taking customs, history, and observers into account”.

There are obviously different levels of protocol, such as you’ve seen from the store clerks, and retail/hospitality employees. There is also business protocol, and then there is the one we are focused on in this regard, and that’s the diplomatic sort.

There is a big difference between the three, but retail/hospitality and business are closer together than diplomatic. Diplomatic is really is own ball of wax.

Each country will establish norms that fit the image they wish to convey, and each of these norms are tailored by keeping relationship, history, and goals in mind with each country they are presently communicating with.

Another important impetus, is the customs and norms that we have set for ourselves within the framework of ongoing relationships with the world’s leaders, so as to create a steady and predictable expectation-of-behavior.

So with all that esoteric crap out of the way, lets look at where Obama’s (now two) deep bows have deviated from the norms of our universally accepted protocol…

(It was much, much worse in my eyes, that he bowed to the Saudi King, but I already made fun of him for it, so I won’t go there again.)

1. Since our Founders wrote the words: “All men are created equal”, none of our leaders have been asked, nor expected to bow to anyone, at any time. We will not be asked, because we’ve made it very clear from Washington on up, that we would not view any King or Monarch as a “Superior”. Even though the French were our friends during the revolution, Ben Franklin made it clear that he would not bow to their king under any circumstances, and that set the standard. Fortunately he was loved by the French, and had a way of conveyance that didn’t insult when he stated our intention in this regard.

2. No other President has ever broken this precedent.

3. If Obama (or any other high-ranking official) wished to modify protocol, or simply be a little different, he should have done a great deal of research beforehand. As I pointed out earlier, he did it all wrong, on so many levels that it borders on rude, if not childish. The Japanese are the world’s foremost leader in all things “protocolish”, that his actions are twice as bad, because of where his foux-pas occurred. (The Dutch for eg. aren’t all that into it.)

4.If Obama wanted to change things up a bit, it was his duty to inform his State Department, so that they could accommodate his wishes, and first teach him the correct way (after trying to talk him out of it) and to prepare his hosts. He didn’t, and he ended up looking clumsy, and out of place, much to our right-wing amusement, but deep down, even his supporters cringed, now that this is the second time he’s done such a thing.

5. Because the Japanese are so into custom and protocol, having him surprise his host with such a change, can be seen as very rude. It’s a good thing the Emperor is better at it than Obama, and that he is our friend. The Japanese would never point it out, but it is seen and remembered.

I covered the who, when, and why folks deep-bow in Japan to the Emperor in an earlier post, so you can peruse that if you like. But the biggest thing to remember is how different the bow is used and meant between diplomatic verses retail/business, and the difference between the deep-bow and the head-bob.

Obama should have done exactly what the Emperor was ready to do…A friendly eye-to-eye look, a firm handshake, a tiny 5-degree straight-backed bow, and a small head-bob. These movements combine our two cultures, and that willing mutuality is the best thing in the eyes of the Japanese, and indeed us as well.

(Betcha didn’t expect this long of a response, but I’m kinda into this crap.)

Now can I make fun of him some more, at least until tomorrow?

It’s probably a good thing that there aren’t any nations that practice open mouth french kissing as a formal greeting. Ewww, that’s a picture that I don’t want in my head!

JAPANESE EMBARRASSED BY ZERO-BLANKO

I can just hear them asking themselves, “How is it possible that America beat us, when they are stupid enough to elect such a fool?”

So, yes, Amy Proctor, this WAS one of his many blunders, made all the more colossal by the fact that it was so public.

@ilovebeeswarzone:

Taking idiomatic expressions literally is an example of concrete thinking, and indicates arrested psychological development, which is a well known and prominent feature in the landscape of the Left.

Here’s another…

Japanese fellow overheard in a bar… “the A-bomb I understand. We were at war. But dropping the 0-Bomb on us? That’s a low blow.”

ps – read the article I linked to. I din’t make up the fact taht the Japanese are quite embarrassed by O’Bungler’s bumbling behavior. He really is a clown.

did you say Obomb well i think there is a japanese way they meant yobombs did they?thank you

Wordsmith.

As I alluded to before, you’re right that this is a small thing in light of the big things he’s doing.

But this will blow over soon enough, and I sure don’t see it getting much traction with the voters, precisely because as you point out, the MSM controls the narrative. With us hard-core political junkies on the right, I see it lasting for a few days, and we’ll be onto something else. Maybe it’s because we all know how little of an effect this will have, and the past over-indulgences on the part of the left, is why we have our “fun” with stuff like this. I sure as heck don’t feel the need to spread it to my usual mailing-list of friends and family, regardless of how into protocol I am.

Like I said to Amy, I’ve had my fun and now I’m done.

The bottom line is that I agree with you. The left has no real ammo to shoot us with, so we must do our part not to give them any, even if in reality, it’s just BBs. Over-reacting over this, dilutes what we really need to focus on, and makes us look desperate.

@Wordsmith:

If you mean this is just a symptom of what’s really wrong with him, then I agree that there are a lot more important things to worry about. However, as the link I gave above indicated, the Japanese think it makes him look like a fool. And who wants to make deals with, or who takes pride in the company of, a fool?

@Patvann:

O’Clueless insists that “restoring our image abroad” should a national priority, and at the same time acts like Clouseau, without the attendant good fortune. It may not matter to you that the President is a nitwit, but to many of us it does.

This is an issue THEY made, and hammered away on over and over and over and over and . . . I don’t see anything wrong in rubbing their faces in it, especially when what they are doing really IS tarnishing America’s image.

Here’s a short list of why O’Blunder is “superior” to GW…
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=63811549237&topic=11939
(note that it includes the Cipher bowing to the Kink of Sado Arabia, which I admit is far more offensive than bowing to the Japanese, who at least usually bow back.)

Now, if all you are saying is not to go overboard on it, fine. But to avoid it altogether? No, that’s just playing into their hands, as is overdoing it.

Don’t cut them any slack, because if you do, they’ll hang you with it.

@ Yonason

It may not matter to you that the President is a nitwit, but to many of us it does.

I’ll not whack you profusely about the head and shoulders with the ClueBat of Doom(tm) for that horrible miss-read of my position, because deep down I know you speak from an emotional position… and the fact that I like you.

Let’s clarify my position, so you can climb back down, shall we?

-Obama is a nitwit. The nittiest wit ever. A piece of crap that couldn’t run an paper-route. IT MATTERS TO ME A GREAT DEAL

These buttmunchers on the Left have dissed us and those we voted for forever. Overandoverandoverandover. They’ve done it though every medium we’ve invented. I voted for Reagan…I know your pain.

I in-fact HAVE said, and if not, implied, that we “not go overboard” just as Amy and Wordsmith have. If you would get your underwear unbunched, you would see that my posts have detailed his idiocy and mistakes in a manner that no one in any blog, nor any media have.

What we (Wordsmith, Amy and I) are putting forth is:

“That was fun, let’s move on, cuz here comes some more.”

Along with:

“If we over-do this, we give them ammo, (even if we know that ammo is wet)…The MSM will, (and I mean WILL) spin our (rightful) reaction against us. Cuz they can. They will lie, and omit to do it.

We must be aware of the battlespace. Let’s fight smarter, not just harder.

Honest, I’ll be in front of you with the next nit-witty thing he does. And if you ever accuse me of being soft on him again, I’ll beat your mother for having you, then I’ll hit you so hard, your dog will hurt.

Okay kids, there are going to be much bigger and better fish to fillet; but if a Ronald Reagan prototype had the reins and behaved in such an ignorant and classless manner in front of a symbolic head of state that is adored and loved by his people, I would ask why he is behaving like such an inept buffoon and making such an ass of himself in front of the world, especially our allies who may be the only ones left who will back us some day.

To the Japanese he is behaving like the ultimate barbarian and has no idea how to show dignity and respect; they look at him like the Roman Patricians looked at the barbarians who dropped in from Northern Europe to rape and plunder; in other words, they look at him in utter shock and disbelief. In America, we think everything is a classless society where people from the gutter can communicate and rub shoulders with kings and that scratching your crotch and speaking with sexual innuendo is perfectly normal. He is behaving like a typical Chicago ghetto thug in polite society and expects it to fly; the rest of the world doesn’t necessarily make social icons and politicians out of athletes and ghetto thugs.

Any of the rest of us would hire competent people rather than incompetent yes men, we would learn the proper procedure and practice several times rather than walking out cold and taking the chance of making a fool of ourselves. This self-absorbed ignorant fool thinks the world is going to change according to the new rules of Obama Mania: in reality, the rest of the leaders of the free world are waiting impatiently for this clod to walk off the world stage. I have said my piece and will only refer to this episode in the future to illustrate a point.

. . .and speaking about taking the high road. . .Tea Parties. . .politics is a contact sport — not a well-mannered High Tea.

Here is the latest DCCC fund-raising email — this one from Jon Vogel-DCCC Executive Director. . .sound like the Dems are sitting back planning their next ice cream social?
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Thanks to you, it’s been an amazing two weeks of progress.

Health insurance reform with a strong public option has passed the House. Together, we also defeated Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and the ‘tea party’ crowd by winning the NY-23 Special Election, picking up another Republican-held seat. This marked an incredible fifth straight special election victory.

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@Mike

Will I spend the next week on this topic? No, certainly not.

Good…and I forget nothing.

Now let’s look forward to tomorrow’s screwup, and hope we can repair it 3 years hence.

@Patvann:

Works for me. Thanks for the clarification.

But, just to repeat, I am completely with Mike on this, as he says, “… I believe there is nothing wrong in pointing out again and again and again what a politically illiterate weanie Obama is.”

After all, they would do the same for us.

This was my favorite comment (cribbed from a comment to the story on a newspaper web site).

http://www.examiner.com/x-16352-Japan-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m11d15-Japans-reaction-to-Obama-bowing-before-the-Emperor

I guess we’d rather him puke on the Emperor, or perhaps give him a very uncomfortable attempt at a neck massage?

Now, if you watch the video (click on above link) of “the bow,” it doesn’t look quite as extreme as the still image, frozen in time. I’m guessing that perhaps the President didn’t have the benefit of two full days in Japanese charm school. Probably someone told him to bow deeper than the emperor; Obama is a very tall man, and the emperor is very short.

With respect to never bowing more than 10 degrees; that’s poppycock, in the real world of Japanese life. I’ve been to medical meetings in Japan a half dozen times, and it is extremely common to see such deep bows, without maintaining eye contact, even among equals, but especially when greeting a distinguished senior professor. The deepest bower I recall was Prof Yoshihiko Maehara, a surgical oncologist at Fukuoka University. He always bowed that way — not just once, but repeatedly. Up and down. He bows. Distinguished prof bows back. He bows again. That sort of thing is very typical.

- Larry W/HB

Larry, I’ve read the Orange County Register and thought it was a fairly well written newspaper. They haven’t started pandering to the lowest common denominator have they, or are you just easily amused.

Perhaps you read the LA Times, a lame comment can really stand out in the Times.

Shut up Larry. I’m 6′5″ and height has nothing to do with anything. I have spent more time in Japan than you can ever appreciate. I’ve met with the diplomats, and once took the president of Toshiba for a ride in my 70 El Camino while he visited our company (Mattson) in Fremont. (He owns a 67 427 Vette.) I’ve enjoyed dinner in his home there, and was introduced to more high-ranking heads of business in Japan than you’ve read white-papers. I’ve slept in the home of the vice-president of Sumitomo Bank, and was trusted with spending the day with his daughters. I’ve had private tours in the Yokohama Tower with the owners, as well as been give whole-floor suites in the Intercontinental Hotel by it’s manager simply for choosing to stay there.
Hoo-boy, you met ONE dood who thinks he’s the girl who brings your luggage to your room. The head of Nihon Genshiryoku Hatuden does not think he’s a waiter, and did not bow any deeper than the head-bop, when I was with GE Nuclear management group, nor did ANYONE else out of the hundreds of people I’ve been introduced to in the 32 times I’ve been there for 3 different companies. The boy who took my credit-card at the Hilton did though, but only after it was approved.

Shut. Up. Larry.

You are out of your league, and I see right through your off-handed insinuation, and quite frankly, through your bold-faced lies. Playing this positional crap with me will never work. I’ve met “doctors” too, but very few of them have the emotional weakness that compels them to take a contrarian posit when they feel as though they might not be the biggest flea on the dog in every circumstance. Of course the PHd’s in the world of physics and chemistry tend to be more humble than most.

Any last bit of respect for you, just went out the window, and the respect was truly there. Go back to laying prone for governemnt healthcare. It suits you.

Patvann (seeking to be annointed as FA official Japanese expert) instructs us (#2):

In meeting a person of “higher status” one bows only very slightly more than him (always a “him”). This in practice means a head-dip, and 2-3 degrees of hip-movement more than his, WHILE KEEPING EYE CONTACT AT ALL TIMES, and never bowing more than 10 degrees or so.

Uh-oh. Must have been sleeping in class:

http://gojapan.about.com/cs/etiquetteinjapan/a/bowing.htm

How to Bow in Japan

Learn How to Bow Properly in Japan

By Shizuko Mishima, About.com… Guide

If you are traveling to Japan, knowing how to bow in Japan can be helpful. Bowing (ojigi) is an important custom in Japan. People commonly greet each other by bowing instead of handshaking. It is impolite not to return a bow to whoever bowed to you in Japan. The Japanese tend to feel uncomfortable with any physical forms of contact although they have become used to shaking hands with foreigners.

Bowing in Japan has many functions in one. It expresses the feeling of respect, thanking, apologizing, greeting, and so on. For example, you can bow, when you say, “thank you”, “sorry”, “hello”, “good bye”, ” welcome”, “congratulations”, “excuse me”, “good night”, “good morning”, and more.

Bowing seems simple, but there are some different ways of bowing. It depends on the social status or age of the person you bow to. If the person is higher status or older than you are, it’s common to bow deeper and longer, showing respect.

The most informal bow is a bend of about 15 degrees for a casual greeting. In casual daily life situations, bowing is often a nod of the head. The most common type of bow is done to a 30-degree angle to greet customers or to thank someone. It’s often seen in Japanese business situations. A more formal way of bowing is performed to a 45-degree angle looking down at your feet. This type of bow signifies deep gratitude, a respectful greeting, a formal apology, asking for favors, and so on.

- Larry W/HB

P.S. @Patvann. (Trying here to be conciliatory): I have no idea what sorts of contacts you had in Japan; the ones you describe all seem to be business situations, with people who do a lot of business with Americans. It seems evident to me that the protocols used by Japanese businessmen, in dealing with American businessmen, may be quite different from those used in segments of Japanese society which are not so geared toward dealing with Westerners. All of the medical meetings and health ministry sessions I’ve attended have not been true international meetings, but were meetings where 98% of those in attendance were Japanese and where the bulk of the presentations and discussions were in Japanese. Fortunately for me, charts and graphs of medical data are often decipherable, if one understands the subject matter, even if the legends and symbols are labeled in Japanese and the verbal narrative is in Japanese. It would not surprise me at all to learn that the level of courtesy displayed between Japanese medical professionals is somewhat different from that displayed in business and social situations involving Japanese businessmen and their American counterparts.

Larry
President Nixon bowed to Emperor Hirohito and Chairmen Mao.

Ron H.

Nixon also bowed to Chairmen Mao during his visit to China.

Reply to Ron H (114,115) went to spam.

Oops. Let me try and post that again. Eisenhower bowed a lot too!

Ron H.

Ron
I also remember Mike posting about Obama putting his feet on the desk in the oval office and then Aye found a pic of Bush doing the very same thing. My point for posting about the whole bowing episode wasn’t to defend Obama so much as point out the hypocrisy that my side is displaying. I personally didn’t care when Bush (who I voted for twice by the way) kissed the Saudi Prince on the cheek and then held his hand or the infamous Merkel back rub.

In the same regard all of this complaining about Obama bowing to a foreign leader is much ado about nothing. There are far more important policy issues that concern me and not who Obama bows to or whether or not Michelle has sleeves on her outfit.

It’s all so very petty and insignificant.

Ron H.

Mike
I have been critical of Obama’s lack of experience in the past . I haven’t posted on here in quite awhile so you wouldn’t have anything recent anyway.

Oh and here’s a quick tip for you Mike. I usually only post when I DISAGREE with something! So if I ain’t postin, I ain’t disagreeing with you. I’m not a cheerleader so I usually don’t rah rah rah. I’ll leave that to other folks!

Ron H.

Oh and Mike sometimes when we touch, the honesty is too much, I wanna hold you till the fear in me subsides!

I’m just saying!

Ron

you all are the only people around my life that make me laugh that is also why i come back,thank you.

Hey Mike
You still have some egg on your face. Here let me wipe it off for you. There all better! Oh and insulting me doesn’t change that fact! Eisenhower bowed to numerous dignitaries and other political figures such as Charles De Gault!. Should I provide you with that link? Nah why bother you’ll keep up this ridiculous post. Try focusing on something substantial for a change instead of Obama’s feet on a desk or how many times he blinks when he talks.

And kick me in the ass? Please Mike don’t make me laugh. You are so precious with your veiled threats.

I heart you Mike Really I do.

Ron H.

@mike (#130):

Larry I did watch the tape. Did you also watch the video of Obama bowing to Hirohito’s heir?
Please don’t tell me there is any comparison.
I note that you have YET to say Obama’s BOW was wrong. So frankly, Nixon’s nod must have been downright rude by your obsequious standards.
Give it up Larry… YOU ARE WRONG

Here’s the deal: Obama was bowing to the Japanese emperor. Nixon was bowing to Chairman Mao.

And, actually I did concede your point — twice. (#110, #112).

I guess that my agreement with you wasn’t sufficiently forceful. Let me try again:

What Obama did was utterly disgraceful. He has tarnished the image of the nation, given comfort to our enemies, and increased the probability of a terrorist attack on American soil. He deserves, at minimum, a censure resolution by the Senate, and the House should seriously consider commencing impeachment procedures.

Now that I’ve agreed with you, can you finally answer this question that you’ve been avoiding:

And you still haven’t answered my question: Look at the image of Bush and Merkel. Now substitute Obama for Bush and recall how Merkel quickly withdrew, with obvious surprise and annoyance. What you you have said, had Obama been the perpetrator?

Now, just think about it for a moment and try to think about what you’ve have written about this.

What would you have said?

- LW/HB