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One question — How do any of these health care bills actually improve health care or reduce costs for the average person wh now has some.

I seem to not be able to find the answer.

@bill-tb: They don’t. Anyone who currently has insurance will pay more for it under the Dem’s plans. And they will be subjected to a lower level of care.

They need to find a more convenient time to sneak it in. Thanksgiving? Christmas?

Oh those pesky Tea Party People! Reid may try to find a time when he thinks people are to busy to notice.

Why don’t any of these Congress men or women stop and think about this from the point of view of a citizen that needs healthcare and ask themselves if it were them would they want to go through this kind of hoop jumping. Americans, as a whole can not afford this plan and I certainly don’t want to be paying even more for undocumented immigrants as well.