And Whoops! Those Club GITMO Boys that Obama and Holder wanted ALL released are up to mischief again…

Another former Gitmo detainee killed in a shootout
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/10/another_former_gitmo.php#ixzz0UdQLDfGd

I just hope they are not holed up in Mooseburg because I’d be tempted to nuke the place.

Afghanistan was mostly calm because Al-Q etc. had set their sites on the Iraq. When it became clear they had lost, they switched back to Afghanistan. On top of that we’ve come to find that our so-called-NATO-allies have done next to nothing and even worse, may have paid off the enemy in one case. It’s appoximately in the last year or so we’ve seen Al-Q and the Taliban make real gains. Yet that is all Bush’s fault? Riiiiiight. Even funnier is now that obama is making things worse, not only does he want us not to notice that, he wants us to think that ignoring our generals is a good thing! I bet moose crap screamed loudly about how Bush “ignored” his generals about Iraq…even though he didn’t.

Moose: As a candidate, Obama was not only running against McCain/Palin, he was running against Bush, as was the Republican party at the time. Fact is, Bush set the mission in Afghanistan, and he bears responsibility for the war during the 7 years he was President during his tenure of that war.

ah yes. The ol’ “say anything to get elected” argument is posed.

So you’re saying that Bush bears responsibility for the NATO determined mission, but now that Obama is POTUS/CiC, he bears *no* responsibility for that same NATO mission. It’s okay for him to continue to blame Bush, yet fingerpoint elsewhere to sidestep his responsibility for his “new strategy”.

You speak with forked tongue, and blindly apply a different level of accountability from one CiC to the other.

Anything you care to add to “the won’s” stated refusal to commit to listening to his commanders on the ground, as he’s promised over and over? From the NYT’s article that formed the centerpiece of my post reference above…

The administration has made clear that Mr. Obama will not necessarily follow the advice of his generals in the same way Mr. Bush did, notably in the former president’s deference to Gen. David H. Petraeus, now the head of the Central Command, and that it does not want military leaders publicly pressing the commander in chief as they give their advice.

Then, of course, there’s Obama’s own webpage proclaiming “fact checks” on how often he’s promised to do just that.

Not even a slap on the wrist for that, eh?

Pathetic way to form political views, Moose.

Blake: I thank my lucky stars that I live in America today, where we can disagree openly.
Of course many here will diss the good General for his comments, but he is entitled to them, he has served our country in the Military, and many do agree with him. Don’t pity me old buddy, and as for gettin’ shot….you just never know how smart some dumb appearing folks are, or who’s packin’ heat and is ready to use it for personal defense when called for…..your pity is wasted, spend it folks who need it, not me. Perhaps you are projecting onto other what you deep inside feel about yourself. You go for the personal attack, at least Mata has some arguments to present.

Mata: As a candidate, Obama was not only running against McCain/Palin, he was running against Bush, as was the Republican party at the time. Fact is, Bush set the mission in Afghanistan, and he bears responsibility for the war during the 7 years he was President during his tenure of that war. Obama is going to be held responsible now, so, as Bush always said, let history be the judge. I’m willing to not condemn the President at this stage of his administration. Most who are against him now were never for him anyway, so, this is one reason that the critics don’t get much traction outside of Right Wing blogs and Fox news. Wolf, Wolf, Wolf! The magic that being called a Socialist, pallin’ with terrorists, and so on did for the Republican party has worn off from over use.

Mike: I am sure many Conservatives are praying bad things will happen to America to pin on Obama. Sorry to hear your one of them. You said:

“When we get attacked again, as our economy stays in the toilet I expect to come back and remind our readers how much you love Obama.”

That seems to be the whole crux of the Conservative strategy, hope for failure. Best of luck.
Obama has already made it farther into his administration Than Bush did without an attack that cost 3000 Americans lives, so other than that one attack, yes, Bush kept us safe, just lets forget Bush was in charge then, it is all and always the Democrats fault, right Mike?

“The record is clear: Dick Cheney and the Bush administration were incompetent war fighters. They ignored Afghanistan for 7 years with a crude approach to counter-insurgency warfare best illustrated by: 1. Deny it. 2. Ignore it. 3. Bomb it. While our intelligence agencies called the region the greatest threat to America, the Bush White House under-resourced our military efforts, shifted attention to Iraq, and failed to bring to justice the masterminds of September 11.

Wait, wouldn’t that be NATO’s incompetent war? Where they began taking over security for the majority of the country in 2003, and finished in June of 2006?

A little reminder for he-of-gnat-capacity-memory, Moose and his hero at NSN:

“This is not a American battle, this is a Nato mission,” Obama told reporters after the Oval Office meeting, which comes as he launches a series of intense talks on whether to send more US soldiers to the Afghan war.

“We are working actively and diligently to consult with Nato at every step of the way,” Obama said.

Eunuch in Chief, Barack Obama, September 2009

Amazing how throughout Senator and Candidate Obama’s career, Afghanistan was Bush’s fault for “dropping the ball”. Now that he’s POTUS, it suddenly becomes “NATO’s mission”.

Politics of convenience. And what does Gen. Eaton further say?

“As one deeply invested in the Armed Forces of this country, I am grateful for the senior military commanders assigned to leading this fight and the men and women fighting on the ground. But I dismiss men like Cheney who inject partisan politics into the profound deliberations our Commander-in-Chief and commanders on the ground are having to develop a cohesive and comprehensive strategy, bringing to bear the economic and diplomatic as well as the military power, for Afghanistan — something Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld never did.

Really, Gen. Eaton? Where were you when Candidate Obama and his merry band of liberal compadres were doing exactly just that for years over both Iraq and Afghanistan? And how does Eaton’s current statements differentiate him from that of which he accuses Cheney… the 2nd in command of the military at the time?

Appointees of convenience. feh…

Moose: I couldn’t have said it better myself…..

Well now we know how low the bar is set….

When we get attacked again, as our economy stays in the toilet I expect to come back and remind our readers how much you love Obama.

Contrast that with the Bush years when we were kept safe after 9/11 and the stock market soared until the Democrat created housing bubble burst.

Go suck eggs Moose!

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-He was fired (asked to resign) from the Bush admin in 2004, for leaking info to “certain” Democrat’s, who were not privy to such matters. His training of the Iraqis was so inept (It was his idea to have the Jordanians train the Iraqi cops), that he was removed from the position, and subsequently the Germans took over.

He is a traitorous, liberal, big-mouthed media whore, who sullies the uniform he once wore, and one of the ONLY military men whom the liberals find to quote. People like Bullwinkle actually get erections when they see his words in print. His ineptitude set the training of the Iraqis back over a year.

Nothing partisan about him at all here, now move along.

Let’s cut and paste the whole thing:

Today, National Security Network Senior Adviser Gen. Paul Eaton (Ret.), who served more than 30 years in the United States Army and from 2003-2004 oversaw the training of the Iraqi military, responded to Dick Cheney’s accusations on Afghanistan from last night:

“The record is clear: Dick Cheney and the Bush administration were incompetent war fighters. They ignored Afghanistan for 7 years with a crude approach to counter-insurgency warfare best illustrated by: 1. Deny it. 2. Ignore it. 3. Bomb it. While our intelligence agencies called the region the greatest threat to America, the Bush White House under-resourced our military efforts, shifted attention to Iraq, and failed to bring to justice the masterminds of September 11.

“The only time Cheney and his cabal of foreign policy ‘experts’ have anything to say is when they feel compelled to protect this failed legacy. While President Obama is tasked with cleaning up the considerable mess they left behind, they continue to defend torture or rewrite a legacy of indifference on Afghanistan. Simply put, Mr. Cheney sees history throughout extremely myopic and partisan eyes.

“As one deeply invested in the Armed Forces of this country, I am grateful for the senior military commanders assigned to leading this fight and the men and women fighting on the ground. But I dismiss men like Cheney who inject partisan politics into the profound deliberations our Commander-in-Chief and commanders on the ground are having to develop a cohesive and comprehensive strategy, bringing to bear the economic and diplomatic as well as the military power, for Afghanistan — something Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld never did.

“No human endeavor can be as profound as sending a nation’s youth to war. I am very happy to see serious men and women working hard to get it right.”

Seriously…..you really “couldn’t have said it better”, yourself? You see no partisan rubbish in his statements?

As for listening to the Generals, look at this link:

http://www.nsnetwork.org/node/1442

I couldn’t have said it better myself…..