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	<title>Comments on: PAYOFF: Stimulus Spending Goes Overwhelmingly to Areas that Supported Obama</title>
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		<title>By: ditto</title>
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		<dc:creator>ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds more and more like a script for a new Godfather movie.</description>
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		<title>By: agimarc</title>
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		<dc:creator>agimarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the effect,though not necessarily the cause.

If you figure that the worst economic cesspools out there are all the democrat dominated urban areas that overwhelmingly voted for Obama, it ought not be a surprise.

It is the chicken or the egg question:  Are they getting money because they voted for Obama or are they getting money because they are economic cesspools (created by years of democrat governance) that have always gotten money?  We&#039;d need to drill down a layer to two and look at the history to tell for sure.  Not that Obama &amp; Rahm wouldn&#039;t do this at the drop of a hat, but this legislation came out of the House with minimal WH input.  It was written by the same Bozos that have been doing this for decades.  

If the choice is between same old, same old or new stuff, I vote for business as usual.  Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the effect,though not necessarily the cause.</p>
<p>If you figure that the worst economic cesspools out there are all the democrat dominated urban areas that overwhelmingly voted for Obama, it ought not be a surprise.</p>
<p>It is the chicken or the egg question:  Are they getting money because they voted for Obama or are they getting money because they are economic cesspools (created by years of democrat governance) that have always gotten money?  We&#8217;d need to drill down a layer to two and look at the history to tell for sure.  Not that Obama &amp; Rahm wouldn&#8217;t do this at the drop of a hat, but this legislation came out of the House with minimal WH input.  It was written by the same Bozos that have been doing this for decades.  </p>
<p>If the choice is between same old, same old or new stuff, I vote for business as usual.  Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This facility was an essential part of our weapons program. Nuclear tech ain&#039;t cheap in the begining or the end.

I&#039;ve work on the several goverment projects and know first hand how wasteful it is, especially the military.  But I&#039;ve seen just as much waste in the private sector.  It&#039;s the nature of large organizations doing large projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This facility was an essential part of our weapons program. Nuclear tech ain&#8217;t cheap in the begining or the end.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve work on the several goverment projects and know first hand how wasteful it is, especially the military.  But I&#8217;ve seen just as much waste in the private sector.  It&#8217;s the nature of large organizations doing large projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-221331&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fit fit&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I wouldn’t call that wasteful spending even though it is spending on waste&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you were even remotely familiar with the project itself and how the money is being spent at SRS you would call it wasteful.

I have several friends who work there and they have shared with me first hand knowledge of how our money is being poured into holes in the ground.....literally.

Massive subterranean structures, some as deep as fifteen stories below ground, are being filled with concrete.

Massive buildings are being dismantled piece by piece, cut into small pieces and are being removed by either truck or train.

The concrete foundations of the buildings are then broken up into small pieces, and then trucked away as well.

Once all traces of the structures are carefully removed, the site is then graded and covered with high dollar sod like you would install in your own front yard.

All in the interest of &quot;reducing the footprint&quot;.

And that just scratches the surface of this boondoggle.

The contractors on that project are required to spend what averages out to be &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;$1.5M PER DAY&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; in order to satisfy the various deadlines in the funding structure.

If anyone believes that a gov&#039;t project can efficiently and wisely spend &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;$1.5M PER DAY&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; without massive waste and fraud, they are a fool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-221331" rel="nofollow">Fit fit</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>I wouldn’t call that wasteful spending even though it is spending on waste</p></blockquote>
<p>If you were even remotely familiar with the project itself and how the money is being spent at SRS you would call it wasteful.</p>
<p>I have several friends who work there and they have shared with me first hand knowledge of how our money is being poured into holes in the ground&#8230;..literally.</p>
<p>Massive subterranean structures, some as deep as fifteen stories below ground, are being filled with concrete.</p>
<p>Massive buildings are being dismantled piece by piece, cut into small pieces and are being removed by either truck or train.</p>
<p>The concrete foundations of the buildings are then broken up into small pieces, and then trucked away as well.</p>
<p>Once all traces of the structures are carefully removed, the site is then graded and covered with high dollar sod like you would install in your own front yard.</p>
<p>All in the interest of &#8220;reducing the footprint&#8221;.</p>
<p>And that just scratches the surface of this boondoggle.</p>
<p>The contractors on that project are required to spend what averages out to be <strong><em>$1.5M PER DAY</em></strong> in order to satisfy the various deadlines in the funding structure.</p>
<p>If anyone believes that a gov&#8217;t project can efficiently and wisely spend <strong><em>$1.5M PER DAY</em></strong> without massive waste and fraud, they are a fool.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More:

Aiken county (McCain 61%) is receiving the largest share of ARRA dollars in SC.  $387,600,000  for one massive DOE project at the Savannah River Facility.  I wouldn&#039;t call that wasteful spending even though it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; spending on waste</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More:</p>
<p>Aiken county (McCain 61%) is receiving the largest share of ARRA dollars in SC.  $387,600,000  for one massive DOE project at the Savannah River Facility.  I wouldn&#8217;t call that wasteful spending even though it <em>is</em> spending on waste</p>
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		<title>By: Aqua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aqua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Pelosi&#039;s stinking swamp mouse is getting $16 mil. WTF is wrong with these people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Pelosi&#8217;s stinking swamp mouse is getting $16 mil. WTF is wrong with these people?</p>
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		<title>By: huh</title>
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		<dc:creator>huh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sure hope the New Black Pather Party got a taste!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope the New Black Pather Party got a taste!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-221078&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ML&lt;/a&gt;: Yes ML. We all know that liberal urban governments waste vastly more sums of taxpayer money than do more conservative rural governing entities. And they get much less for it. Take schools for example. Urban areas where spending per pupil are high have much lower student performance than most rural areas where spending is lower and the teachers unions aren&#039;t so dominant.

Thanks for pointing out once again that much of the money going to these larger, &quot;needier&quot; urban centers is more likely wasted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-221078" rel="nofollow">ML</a>: Yes ML. We all know that liberal urban governments waste vastly more sums of taxpayer money than do more conservative rural governing entities. And they get much less for it. Take schools for example. Urban areas where spending per pupil are high have much lower student performance than most rural areas where spending is lower and the teachers unions aren&#8217;t so dominant.</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing out once again that much of the money going to these larger, &#8220;needier&#8221; urban centers is more likely wasted.</p>
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		<title>By: ML</title>
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		<dc:creator>ML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike&#039;s America

Larger population areas need more money. Rural areas need less. However to assume that large population areas vote for Democrats because they get more money and [therefore] smaller areas vote for Republicans because they get less is odd at best. Cities tend to have more liberal progressive views while rural areas tend to have more conservative roots [as it were].
Urban centers have a lot more funding needs. It’s as simple as that. However the tit you mention is not welfare or giving poor people money – it is services like highways, firefighters, infrastructural needs and schools. 
Oh and don’t forget farmers get a chunk of change from the government – which I know in theory you oppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike&#8217;s America</p>
<p>Larger population areas need more money. Rural areas need less. However to assume that large population areas vote for Democrats because they get more money and [therefore] smaller areas vote for Republicans because they get less is odd at best. Cities tend to have more liberal progressive views while rural areas tend to have more conservative roots [as it were].<br />
Urban centers have a lot more funding needs. It’s as simple as that. However the tit you mention is not welfare or giving poor people money – it is services like highways, firefighters, infrastructural needs and schools.<br />
Oh and don’t forget farmers get a chunk of change from the government – which I know in theory you oppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18 million for that website? Well I reckon someone is recovering keenly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18 million for that website? Well I reckon someone is recovering keenly!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heard an interesting storyline on Tom Sullivan show about how Social Security Adminstation is having  a &#039;meeting&#039; in Phoenix at the Biltmore.  700 &#039;Associates&#039; 

The Fox Reporter said it would have cost the government 3/4 of a million to have that meeting.

I get it.  Not good for Wells Fargo but OK for the dweebs at Social Security.  More Social injustice from the race baiting President, Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heard an interesting storyline on Tom Sullivan show about how Social Security Adminstation is having  a &#8216;meeting&#8217; in Phoenix at the Biltmore.  700 &#8216;Associates&#8217; </p>
<p>The Fox Reporter said it would have cost the government 3/4 of a million to have that meeting.</p>
<p>I get it.  Not good for Wells Fargo but OK for the dweebs at Social Security.  More Social injustice from the race baiting President, Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Aqua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aqua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/07/09/payoff-stimulus-spending-goes-overwhelmingly-to-areas-that-supported-obama/#comment-220987&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fit fit&lt;/a&gt;

You&#039;re prolly right Fit. Of course if we had the transparency we were told, we&#039;d know for sure. Guess we will soon though, huh? They&#039;re spending &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/18m-being-spent-to-redesign-recoverygov-web-site.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;$18 mil to revamp the Recovery.gov website&lt;/a&gt;. Hell, I&#039;d do it for them for half that. But, the company that got the contract gave ol&#039; Steny Hoyer a few hundred thou. Prolly didn&#039;t have anything to do with them getting the contract though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/07/09/payoff-stimulus-spending-goes-overwhelmingly-to-areas-that-supported-obama/#comment-220987" rel="nofollow">Fit fit</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;re prolly right Fit. Of course if we had the transparency we were told, we&#8217;d know for sure. Guess we will soon though, huh? They&#8217;re spending <a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/18m-being-spent-to-redesign-recoverygov-web-site.html" rel="nofollow">$18 mil to revamp the </a><a href="http://Recovery.gov" title="http://Recovery.gov" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">Recovery.gov&#8230;</a> website. Hell, I&#8217;d do it for them for half that. But, the company that got the contract gave ol&#8217; Steny Hoyer a few hundred thou. Prolly didn&#8217;t have anything to do with them getting the contract though.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waste, Fraud, Abuse and Corruption in place too no doubt. It is ALL Political regardless of what party does this to buy votes. Some &quot;Infrastructure&quot; is not necessary and is wasteful. There will obviously be no public accountability. This is just pouring Taxpayer money down a rat hole. 

This why I object to Bills not being specific as to who, what and where gets funded. Omnibus Bills are what I refer to here. Both Parties are guilty of it. Paying off Political Debt with Public Funds is Criminal. It is the same as extortion and bribery.

Fit, Quid Pro Quo. Go look it up. It describes it aptly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waste, Fraud, Abuse and Corruption in place too no doubt. It is ALL Political regardless of what party does this to buy votes. Some &#8220;Infrastructure&#8221; is not necessary and is wasteful. There will obviously be no public accountability. This is just pouring Taxpayer money down a rat hole. </p>
<p>This why I object to Bills not being specific as to who, what and where gets funded. Omnibus Bills are what I refer to here. Both Parties are guilty of it. Paying off Political Debt with Public Funds is Criminal. It is the same as extortion and bribery.</p>
<p>Fit, Quid Pro Quo. Go look it up. It describes it aptly.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My county (Obama 53%) is getting a lot of stimulus dollars.  A large chunk (52 out of 83 projects) of seems to be  going to the Air Force Base. Not sure how that factors in to this ridiculus theory.  

Maybe urban areas, which almost always trend Democrat anyway, have more infrastructures in place that can receive upgrades/repairs?  Nah, that makes too much damn sense.  I&#039;m sure it&#039;s an elaborate political conspiracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My county (Obama 53%) is getting a lot of stimulus dollars.  A large chunk (52 out of 83 projects) of seems to be  going to the Air Force Base. Not sure how that factors in to this ridiculus theory.  </p>
<p>Maybe urban areas, which almost always trend Democrat anyway, have more infrastructures in place that can receive upgrades/repairs?  Nah, that makes too much damn sense.  I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s an elaborate political conspiracy.</p>
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		<title>By: jainphx</title>
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		<dc:creator>jainphx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine that, i mean who would of thunk it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine that, i mean who would of thunk it?</p>
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