Our Elected Idiots Honor Michael Jackson While Dishonoring Our Country

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While our elected idiots hold a shocking moment of silence for a child molester, that even other Democrats were disgusted over:

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We get other elected idiots in the New York State Senate acting like little kids:

One member plays exies no erasies with the podium, while her colleagues try to make the chamber into the Democratic Club playhouse (no Republican cooties allowed!). When Republicans try to start the session on their own terms, the Democrats refuse to acknowledge their authority to do so — which is why they remained seated, except for one Democrat, who got pulled back down by his desk partner.

What did they remain seated during?

Our Pledge Of Allegiance:

Acting like kids is one thing, to remain seated during our Pledge is an insult to every American soldier who has served this country and gave all.

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This must be the worst bunch of politicians in the history of the USA. People of low culture, vulgarians, lacking even an ounce of refinement or grace. What an embarrassment. So mortifying that we have these thugs in any office with authority. Now they have Franken too…one of their own.

While our elected idiots hold a shocking moment of silence for a child molester, that even other Democrats were disgusted over

Child molester? I thought in the US like other western democracies – you are innocent until proven guilty. Whilst Jackson’s behaviour was miguided and dubious at best – he was acquitted.

@GaffaUK:
and OJ didn’t kill anyone. The US like other western democracies, is all about money. You have the best trial lawyers, you get off. Plus, the fact is you are pointing to a nuance more than you are making any real point.. to me it would be the same effect if all of a sudden Madonna or Britney spears died from sudden lighting bolts out of the sky. They are pop culture celebrities. They contributed entertainment to us all. Wow… I rank being entertained right up there with eating cotton candy.

The phrase “innocent until proven guilty” is one of the most misunderstood concepts there is. It speaks only of “the eyes of the law” and refers ONLY to the criminal justice system.

The failure of the criminal court to convict OJ Simpson of murder didn’t save him from a jury finding that he was responsible for the deaths of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman and they awarded their families damages as a result. Further, the court of public opinion may find any level of guilt it chooses for anyone, collectively and severally on any evidence whatsoever.

A finding of “not guilty” does not imply innocence, it just says that a jury couldn’t agree beyond a “reasonable doubt” that the state should punish the accused.

Agreed with DaNang… the “innocent” bit in public eyes vs jury. On the second molestation suit, Jackson was indeed being taken to the cleaners by a professional lawsuit type of family with a history of screaming abuse for cash. You’ll find even the much maligned Rush Limbaugh echoing my comments on that. He was set up, and deservedly found innocent.

The first lawsuit that Jackson settled was his downfall. The police, stripping Jackson nude to examine if the child’s “description” of him was close enough to be considered viable evidence – was the mitigating factor in the settlement decision for Jackson. The “description” was to vague to determine any proof of intimacy, but it also led to Jackson – rather like Howard Hughes in many ways – settling the lawsuit just to halt the process which turned excruciatingly humiliating. Little did he know that he tarnished his reputation by doing so, and set himself up for future lawsuits.

I, personally, am not convinced one way or another about Jackson INRE these leveled pediphile charges. In one way that suggests he was a very sexual person when I really got the impression he was very asexual. He’s often said he just doesn’t care about that physical pleasure, and I’m not sure sure I disbelieve that. He was an odd bird at best.

But I’m personally not going to dwell on unproven legal accusations, nor pronounce judgment. He was an extraordinary talent with music that, on the whole, I enjoyed immensely. And for all his gifts and wealth, he was such a very sad character.

His ultimate judge will be God… not me. I shall miss his music and presence in the artistic world.

However I certainly agree that a Congressional moment of silence is completely inappropriate. If they feel the need to honor the dead, they should do it daily for our warriors… not a music icon.

@liam 09

Yes the OJ case was a bigger circus than the MJ trial. Trouble was the police didn’t do their job properly (Mark Furnam) and money does massive help. Despite it’s flaws (and even cases where justice seems to have failed)- I would still rather trust American and UK justice over mob and media justice any day of the week. I think labelling someone as a child molester as if it was a fact is more than a nuance and needs to be challenged.

And what’s wrong with pop celebrities? So many people bemoan such celebrities and yet support capitialism. These people (depending on your tastes) give us joy so if MJ can sell 700 million records then he deserved the money and fame. His problem was he acted odd and complained about the reaction he got. If you don’t like the heat get out of the kitchen.

@DaNang

Further, the court of public opinion may find any level of guilt it chooses for anyone, collectively and severally on any evidence whatsoever.

Well they have to be carefully that doesn’t fall under it’s slander and libel. Somehow I don’t think MJ family is going to sue Curt but again I see how some of you here jump to Palin’s defence on any insinuation, joke or ‘smear’ yet here we have MJ called a child molester. That’s a serious charge which was thrown out by a court. Therefore a person is assumed innocent if they are found not guilty. Again individuals can think otherwise but as I say there are laws on slander and libel and I would rather trust a legal system where a jury has shifted through all the evidence that opinions on a forum where I’m all sure of us haven’t been privy or bothered to go through all the evidence that jury was shown.


Agree MJ was stupid to pay off the family and he was stupid to even get himself into that situation – asexual or not. I’m not a fan of his music – I did like some of his stuff on Thriller and his Black and White single but after that single what good tracks did he do of note? Also interesting that he sings that it doesn’t matter if you are black or white – but clearly it seems he prefered white (even with his skin disease) and at his death he has such figures as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton rallying around his family.

This is simple.. when you (an older man that knows better – a pop icon) invite young boys to stay in your house, nay, sleep over at your house, nay, sleep in your bed… you may just have to wake up and deal with peoples opinions the next morning. Especially if one of those boys says something about being molested.

Again, a nuance to the real point. If we want to commemorate someones death at the elected/represented level, those people should be real heroes. Heroes that stained the dirt of another country with their blood, so that its citizens may have a fighting chance at real freedom. Not a pop icon that may/may not have overdosed on prescription pills. I love the guys dance moves, and yeah, I listened to him but he isn’t my hero. I don’t want my elected official to remember MJ on behalf of me. Do it on your own time, with your MJ fan club, and even wear the shirt.

When heroes become centrally those that entertain us, not the ones that teach us, or defend us, or risk their lives so we /can/ have entertainment; I fear we might be a sword plunge away from the fate of the roman empire.

@Liam

Not only does raises questions over MJ – but also why did the parents let this go on? If your kid accused someone of molesting them – would you take money to be hushed up? Seems there are two pausible possibilities – either MJ did abuse children and he got away with it OR he was a bizarre guy who wanted to play and sleep beside kids to somehow recreate the childhood he feels never had. Either way the first trial never happened which casts shadows over all parties involved and the second did go to court and MJ was shown not be guilty. It like those cases where men are accused of rape but they are proven to be not guilty by their peers and yet so many others believed they did based on gossip and opinions. People do try to blackmail others for financial gain. We should accept such verdicts. Unless you want some kind of ‘socialised’ law system where the rich can’t buy hot shot lawyers and we all have exactly the same service?;)

As for your central point – yes I agree. Not really appropriate but so many things like that are inappropriate. Why should Nixon shake hands with Elvis in the whitehouse – didn’t he have better things to do? Should the Queen have given MBEs to the Beatles? I don’t think it’s a big deal. Our modern culture is obsessed with celebrity. And I guess MJ was more than just a guy who sang and danced. To some in that he broke racial barriers and after the troubles in the 50s and 60s that counts for something. Sometimes such celebrities have more clout than elected politicians.

Aren’t these people supposed to be leaders? Instead they behave like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum.

More brilliant pols, heh:

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=4212

Basically this is NY state, a welfare driven, tax and spend organization that when they don’t get their way feel that they were wronged somehow. In my opinon I don’t see this hurting them in the political arena at all, the people that vote for them only care about whether their welfare checks get there on time and the social programs continue.

The saving grace here is that a government that cannot accomplish anything also can’t screw anything up.

He is not be qualified to work as a member of local, state or federal law enforcement. He would never receive security clearance in the United States military.

Yet he is qualified to serve as the United States’ president and commander-in-chief — with access to our company’s greatest military and security secrets.

Something’s wrong with this picture.