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A moment of Silence please. My America just died by a self inflicted wound.

That’s 58 Democrats + 2 Independents. I know driving Spectre out felt good on an emotional level, but the “RINO purge” mentality will hurt this country in the long run. Nice work morons.

Just in time for the Climate Change and Health Care senate votes!!!
Great news!!!

/endsarcasm

All this melodrama about the end of America coming from the same gang that gave us John Tallulah Bankhead Boehner!

At least Coleman didn’t roll over. He was obviously cheated out of this seat. Little Al took lessons from the Obama Dem Primary…as corrupt as it gets. My hope is to render the whole thing mute in 2010 with a backlash taking the majority in the House and Senate back. This has to happen.

That’s 58 Democrats + 2 Independents. I know driving Spectre out felt good on an emotional level, but the “RINO purge” mentality will hurt this country in the long run.

The latest in Conservative cannibalism in the pursuit of ideological purity:

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2009/06/30/30greenwire-conservative-ire-rains-on-8-republicans-who-vo-37491.html

– Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA

Tea Party this weekend. Attend one near you. They may be in charge now but, by god, they WILL answer for their perfidy.

the left will elect anybody, and brains are not required.

@Native

Doesn’t seem to be a need for the Dems to elect brains if the intellectual heavyweights over the last few years offered by conservatives include Bush & Palin;)

I’m not sure that people realize that it is 100 times harder to repeal a law, once passed, than to prevent it from being passed in the first place. Try and think of a major law which has been repealed or even modified, in a substantive way.

A filibuster-proof Senate is something which doesn’t happen very often.

If I were a true conservative, I’d be trying to ride out this term the best that I could. Like penalty killing in ice hockey. The last thing I’d want to do is to drive out ANY member of my own party, until the period of extreme danger had passed.

What ever happened to Reagan’s 11th Commandment? Thou shalt not speak ill of any Republican.

– Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA

Mike,

Two Court rulings including the The supreme court of Minnesota and they have ruled. They had all the evidence Coleman could throw at them and Coleman came up short. If blatant cheating had truly been there it would have come up and it didn’t.

You can believe the one news article you point at as fact. I will look at what 5 election recount judges and two court trials said.

In its order, the court found that:

1. Coleman did not establish that the lower court’s decision constituted a post-election change in standards that violates substantive due process;

2. Coleman did not prove that either the trial court or local election officials violated the constitutional guarantee of equal protection;

3. The trial court did not abuse its discretion when it excluded additional evidence;

4. Inspection of ballots is available only on a showing that the requesting party cannot properly be prepared for trial without an inspection. Because appellants made no such showing here, the trial court did not err in denying inspection;

5. The trial court did not err when it included in the final election tally the Election Day returns of a precinct in which some ballots were lost before the manual recount.

After the seven-week recount contest, Coleman’s attorney had argued that the three-judge panel applied too strict a standard in deciding which absentee ballots to count, and that they didn’t adhere to the Constitution in coming up with that tally.

That argument relied on the fact that poll workers rejected some ballots for reasons that were not considered grounds for rejection by poll workers in other counties.

Coleman argued that because some counties used looser standards than others, the state should now allow all ballots to be counted using those looser standards.

“The trial court found no allegations or evidence of fraud or foul play and no evidence to suggest that the Election Day totals from the precinct are unreliable,” the Supreme Court said in its order.

Nice cut and paste RAP

Well, They wanted this clown, they got him, I hope they enjoy him. Maybe he can bring a smile to dirty Harry’s face…

I’m not sure that people realize that it is 100 times harder to repeal a law, once passed, than to prevent it from being passed in the first place. Try and think of a major law which has been repealed or even modified, in a substantive way.

I certainly realize it Larry, which is why I’m so convinced that America, as we know it, is over! We got what we elected (and some would say we deserve), a Marxist government.

Now we sow what we reaped. Maybe someday, but not before some major suffering, we will finally realize as a people that character (and social issues) not only matter, they REALLY matter.

I think even Reagan would agree, “You broke it, you bought it.”

The entire 08 election was right out of the Marxist O’Dumbo playbook. Hitler was elected by idiots, now we have O’Dumbo. How many millions will die?

Love how the leftwing morons want to blame those “evil Conservatives” for specter bailing. So what if he voted mostly with the dems, especially on important issues. He was a Republican. Buwhahahahahahaha! Sure he was. Check his history geniuses. He was a dem first and really, never stopped being one even when there was an R next to his name. We didn’t drive him out. He bailed when we “peasants” had the “nerve” express our dissatisfaction for his votes. According to the leftists, if you are being raped don’t try to stop it or you might get hurt more. Nice logic. BTW, Like how you want to ignore how you really did drive Lieberman out even though he voted with the dems on the large majority of issues. You are projecting again.
Keep gloating though, a**holes. You’re going to get your political payback before too much longer.

I was highly critical of the way that Lieberman was treated by the Dems.

Arlan Specter rates out as a “moderate liberterian conservative” based on objective voting record

Here are his actual votes:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Arlen_Specter.htm

He rated out as 75% (100% being perfect) by the conservative/liberterian Cato Institute.

He voted to convict Clinton. He’s pro gun. He voted against late term abortions, and so on. He wasn’t perfect, but he’s the best that Republicans are likely to get in Pennsylvania. The GOP will run a “true conservative” in 2010 and will lose the seat — to Specter, who, by then, will have voted with Dems on important issues that he might not otherwise have supported.

A**holes? “Payback” ?

???

Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA

reply to 16 went to spam

Curt, Mike has made a blogging career off of “cut and paste.” Have you ever taken him to task for it?

AnnMonterey: moot.

Yup, and as I told ChrisK/Marionnette de Chaussette before…I don’t abide sockpuppet nimrods.

Anyone else smell a sock?

What the nimrod fails to realize is that there is a difference between including materials attributed to other sources in a post and presenting material from other sources as if they were your own thoughts.

Not that we expect any standards for intellectual integrity from libs, but at least they should be capable of understanding simple concepts like that above.

But Curt… don’t you want to keep sock puppet around at least for spell check and typos? LOL

Tho I have to admit, new French handle is a great play on words.

Larry, for once the insults weren’t aimed at you. However, you get it wrong once again on Specter.

http://gunowners.org/he30623.htm

…While Specter claims to be a Republican, he has only voted with the Republican Party about 44% of the time since the early 1990s…

…First, after pretending to a principled stand against then-attorney general designee Eric Holder (he of the Marc Rich and FALN pardons, of opposition to Second Amendment rights) Specter reversed himself and supported the nomination of the man who is now our attorney general.

…And then, for an encore, Specter is one of the three RINOs who have made a deal with the Democrats to support the Obama-Pelosi phony economic stimulus package…

…In 1987, he opposed President Reagan’s nomination of Robert Bork for the Supreme Court. And in 1991 he voted with Republicans in congress only 40% of the time according to the Center for Public Integrity.

Then, in 1996, when Specter was actually trying to secure the Republican nomination for the presidency, he tackled pro-lifers as if they were the opposing team: “When Ralph Reed [the executive director of the Christian Coalition said] a pro-choice Republican isn’t qualified to be our president, I say the Republican Party will not be blackmailed. I and millions of other pro-choice Republicans will not be disenfranchised.”

And although the NRA has consistently ranked Specter high on pro-gun issues, Gun Owners of America argues that that’s because Specter conveniently disappears when a vote arises that could endanger his pro-gun rating: “(Specter) is the reason why the semi-automatic gun ban got out of committee and became law. He left the room so he would not be present to vote.” …

…National Review Online reported that during George W. Bush’s first term, “Specter was one of only three Republicans who tried to eviscerate the Bush tax cut; he was the only Republican in the Senate to vote against the Washington, D.C. school-voucher bill; and he was ranked by the Citizens Against Government Waste as the ‘Pork Spender of the Year’” during one of Bush’s first four years…

Much of this I’ve already known about specter. So please don’t tell me he wasn’t all that bad larry. You also use the tired cliche about us wanting him to be perfect. No, we want a Conservative not a dem pretending to be a Rep. He gave the dems a number of critical victories over the last few years and decades. He has made it a point to put a shiv in our spine on the most important votes. Sorry, but I’m not sad he went. Besides, that fillibuster proof majority may not be so solid so don’t bet on it. I also wouldn’t bet on losing the seat when a real Conservative is run, either.

A few points you didn’t post from your link.

“Rated 60% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)”
“Rated 67% by the HRC, indicating a mixed record on gay rights. (Dec 2006)”
“Voted YES on addressing CO2 emissions without considering India & China. (May 2008)”

“Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)”

Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)”
“Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)”

“Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)”
“Voted NO on do not require ethanol in gasoline. (Aug 1994)”
“Raise CAFE by a 4% per year until 2018. (Jul 2006)”
“Sign on to UN Framework Convention on Climate Change. (Jan 2007)”
“Supports immediate reductions in greenhouse gases. (Sep 1998)”
“Voted YES on granting the District of Columbia a seat in Congress. (Sep 2007)”
“Voted YES on funding for National Endowment for the Arts. (Aug 1999)”

“Voted YES on favoring 1997 McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance. (Oct 1997)”
“Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)”
“Voted YES on adding 2 to 4 million children to SCHIP eligibility. (Nov 2007)”
“Voted YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)”

The list above is not comprehensive, but you can see a pattern. If you’ll notice the majority of his most damaging votes have come this decade. I don’t expect him to vote with the republicans every time, but 44% ? That’s a moderate dem, not a Conservative.

Oh, that 75% rating by the CATO institute? That was on free trade issues for anyon that wasn’t clear on that.

http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Arlen_Specter_Free_Trade.htm#02n-CATO

“…The mission of the Cato Institute Center for Trade Policy Studies is to increase public understanding of the benefits of free trade and the costs of protectionism…”

Darned spam filter. FYI larry, the insults weren’t aimed at you.

DEMS OWN IT NOW. What’s it? IT is EVERYTHING.
2010 midterms:
if unemployment is still worse than when Obama took office, it’s their fault
if GDP is still falling it’s Democrats’ fault
if every American-EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN and most illegal aliens-don’t have the same high-quality/free medical coverage as Barack Obama…it’s their fault
if Iran has nukes or is still pursuing them…it’s the Democrats’ fault
if Pakistan is still on the brink…it’s the Democrats’ fault
if Mexico is still on the bring…it’s the Democrat’s fault
if there is still war in Afghanistan…it’s the Democrats’ fault
if American troops are still in Iraq FOUR YEARS after promising to end the war…it’s the Democrats’ fault
if there is a budget deficit…it’s the Democrats’ fault
if there is a single pork spending program in ANY bill…it’s the Democrats’ fault
if America is still dependent on foreign oil…it’s the Democrat’s fault

the list goes on. We can debate who caused what and how (and it’s ALWAYS a bi-partisan source), but the fact is that Democrats have unchecked power now, and should be able to do everything they’ve promised. If not, it’s their fault for misleading, and their supporters’ fault for believing the people who have lied and misled this nation and the world so grossly since 2002.

Come on Stuart, give us some sugar, baby! Show me the cotton candy clouds the rainbows, gumdrop groves, rivers of chocolate, peace in the mideast, and the world loving Americans so much that we don’t need harsh measure to protect us, or planes like the F-22 to fight our wars.

Bring it on.

btw, special message ala Keith Olberman and Markos Moulitas to Larry, RAP, and every other Dem sympathizer:
If they fail….will you believe their next excuse, or start asking if they’ve been misleading you all along on their promises?

Curt and Mike,

My apologies for forgetting to include my source! Now I noticed how you now want to make waves about that rather than the real issue. This election was NOT a cheat. It was NOT stolen.
It is also interesting to note the Minnesota supreme courts decision in this case was
5 to ZERO.

Scott:

The real question is when will you realize that YOU have been CON’d by CONservatism and the Republi-CON’s?
What was your excuse for 8 years of failed policies by BUSH?? The Repucli-CON Agenda was a failure and your refuse to see it.

@ Scott I can answer that for you, the Dems will do what they have been doing for 30 years, blame everyone else but themselves and the brain dead constituants will vote straight Dem ticket every year as always.

@Real American Patriot: CRAP: more votes than voters in precincts favoring Coleman and selective recounting rules and you deny the election was a fraud?

What a fool!

And the ballots that were submitted by dead people, were they counted? Dismissed? Who did they vote for? can we have the count of who the dead voted for? How many dead, illegals and pets will vote in 2010? 2012? How much longer will we take this total bullshit?

@wildman: The Dems have been working on this scam FOR YEARS in many states. Minnesota was the first big payoff.

George Soros funded a group called The Secretary of State Project just to get their hand picked goons in the jobs that would be critical to opening the door to the kind of shenanigans we saw in MN:

http://www.secstateproject.org/

Until we get organized, they are going to keep doing this until we are so weak we can’t fight back.

Welcome to the one party state. Welcome to Obama’s Reich!

Mike:

Do you really think that more votes than voters in a precinct actually happened? If so why didn’t that come up in the trial? It’s because what you believe to be true because it was reported in a news article is FALSE! Yet you believe it because of your bias.

The recounting rules used are the LAW in this state and they were followed. The votes that were not counted that Coleman wanted counted were absentee votes that did NOT follow the rules.
Minnesota law is clearly states that those votes cannot be counted.

@Real American Patriot: I have already posted the links to this story numerous times. Either you are too stupid to remember what you read a few months ago or you don’t want to remember.

You are asking me why this matter wasn’t considered at trial? Are you sure it did not? Why don’t you go and do some research on your own for a change instead of merely sniping at the extensive efforts I have made?

Franken benefited from every exception in law. Something that was denied to Coleman.

Even Franken knows he stole this election. In a fair fight, there is no way the people of Minnesota would send this clown to the Senate.

In CRAP’s world, facts aren’t the enemy as they can be ignored. The people who insist on pointing them out are the enemy as they refuse to roll over and play dead as the left wants them to.

Mike:

You posted a link to a story that was blatantly false. If there was a shred of truth to it Coleman and his attorneys would have brought it in as evidence and it would have been all over the news that they did… They didn’t!

here is a good read for you it includes a link to the actual Minnesota Supreme court decision.

http://www.minnpost.com/stories/2009/06/30/9951/impressive_unanimity_the_historical_significance_of_coleman_v_franken

This is in no way a stolen election! Only right wing nut jobs believe that!

@Real American Patriot: I posted a great many links on the MN election. You’re going to have to do a lot better than make some vague charge that one of the links I posted was false.

I have a mountain of evidence which shows how the MN election was stolen. How votes for Franken were treated to an advantage over votes for Coleman.

You have no proof that any of this was false.

I can’t speak for the court case. Are you a lawyer or just a liar?

I would still like to know who the dead in MN voted for. If they were all for Franken, we would only be looking at the tip of an iceberg. is there any way to find out?

Hi Mike,

I’ve followed this case pretty regularly for the past few months. From my perspective, Coleman seemed to be afforded ample time to make his case in front of a fairly balanced court, including many GOP appointed judges. My question is about the evidence that you allude to, pointing to alleged fraud. I’d be very curious to review this information.

@Dominic Behan: I’ve posted plenty of information about the MN Senate election on these pages. All you have to do is a simple search for them.

Sorry, but I’m not a librarian, so I won’t do the work for you.

Mike, your question to CRAP must be rhetorical. Of course he’s a liar. He’s a moonbat. If the facts don’t fit their POV they ignore them or create some “facts” that do.

First, I don’t think it fair to name Franken lacking in ‘brains,’ or to paint him solely as a comedian or talk-radio guy. You may not like Harvard, but those folks don’t hand out cum laude degrees in political science as T passes, eh?

Secondly, there really isn’t any point in playing “dueling links.” The only links that matter are the rulings of the Election Contest Court and the Minnesota Supreme Court. Coleman made many arguments, including those mentioned in Mike’s links, but repeatedly failed to show evidence to justify the remedy he requested. Basically, he (Coleman) wanted what the 2000 Florida-vote-reconstruction people did (for argument points) after the fact; retroactively apply a single set of standards to the entire state when individual counties had been given leeway during the actual election. That’s a pretty high bar; you aren’t likely to get a court to overrule local officials who did their jobs properly just because folks in ‘that county over there’ screwed up their end of the deal.

(As someone else already mentioned, accusations of “stealing an election” also require you to condemn a healthy number of GOP and GOP-appointed judges, on both the ECC and the MN Supreme Court. If you want to criticize Justice Page (Alan Page, Pro Football Hall of Famer), do it to his face. *chuckle*)

Wes, I’ve listened to Franken enough during his Air America days to judge his potential competence and thought processes as a Senator via his own, outspoken performance and political stands. I don’t care if he’s a Nobel Prize winner.

And I’m sure Larry W., who’s desperately trying to discredit any sort of written exams as a measure of performance for promotion in the wake of the SCOTUS Ricci decision, would find himself forced to agree that Franken’s sheepskin means whit as credentials for Congress.

I personally haven’t followed the MN fallout. Hey, if that crazy State can elevate Jesse Ventura to their Capitol dome, it’s not impossible they have a penchant for Franken. Whatever the truth of ballot shenanigans, a US court of law ruled. And while we still have that system in place, I’ll be accepting it… and relishing that it’s still around in some form. Who knows what lies ahead in Obama’s America. He obviously places no import in Honduras’ four big C’s … i.e. Courts, Congress, Council and Constitution.

Real American Patriot:
Two Court rulings including the The supreme court of Minnesota and they have ruled.

OK, so I have to ask you. Why is it that dems will now say that this election was valid and NOT stolen when in 2000 the US Supreme court RULED for Bush and suddenly… the election was stolen??

Just sounds very hypocritical and SOOOooo sterotypical in liberal actions – specifically – “Well when the ruling is AGAINST me, its wrong! When it is FOR ME, it is just and fair”

Care to share on that hypocrisy specifically?

@wesmorgan1: You either seem resigned or comfortable with the FACT that this election was stolen.

Perhaps you should review history and look back at what has happened in the past when elections were allowed to degrade to such an unhealthy degree.

And whether you like it or not, there is no disputing that Al Franken is a CLOWN!

@MataHarley: If MN had a runoff provision this mess would not be taking place. There is no way the majority of MN voters would like to be saddled with that fool Franken.

What’s important to note here is that what happened in MN was PLANNED! Look at the George Soros Secretary of State project. They have been working to put their people into key states to facilitate the very shenanigans that were so common place in the MN Senate election.

Point is, Mike, MN does *not* have a runnoff provision, so arguing that is moot. Their State, and their election laws. All we can do is have the option to have it examined in a court of law. Coleman did his thing, and either ran out of cash or impetus. Done deal. Case closed. Coleman quite and ceded.

At least we have that option, where the Iranians do not.

But of course Soros and the Alinsky movement have been working 24/7 to control key states. Mercy, they’ve been patiently laying the trap for decades, starting in the public education system with Ayers-style curriculum. What’s so damned depressing about it all is the population has now become dumbed down enough that they are successful at it. Apparently, the US voter is going to have to stick their fingers in the light socket before they figure out it’s not a bright idea. ala, Obama’s chickens will come home to roost… right at the time they start opening their wallets and finding it empty because of rising costs, piss poor no-choice health care, and not even a cool car to drive to take your mind off things.

Had to laugh at Cary on another thread, getting indignant, and over using what must be a new word for him… ad hominem. Wounded to the cyber-quick, he is, and complaining about the “personal attack” tactics (but not before many patient links and explanations were given…).

Didn’t have the heart to tell him it’s the foundation of Obama’s Alinsky “community organizing”; one of Saul’s own rules…. and that finally we conservatives are learning to fight back with the same successful tactics used for decades on us.

Consider Franken the last of “enough rope”, Mike. The conservatives have just enough time to watch the Dems and “moderate” GOP hang themselves… or follow the lead lemming (Obama) over the cliff. Hard to say what will come first. And then, it should be no more Mr. Nice Guy. The filth spewed by Democrats over the past eight years has become the new norm in politics. I don’t see any way of turning the clock back now.

Mata “glad to be an ol’ broad” Harley

CRAP: The real question is when will you realize that YOU have been CON’d by CONservatism and the Republi-CON’s?

We haven’t had “convervatism” as an option for nigh over 15 plus years, CRAP. Hard to be “conned” by the non-existent.

What was your excuse for 8 years of failed policies by BUSH?? The Repucli-CON Agenda was a failure and your refuse to see it.

Tis rich… LOL “Failure” You ain’t seen nothing yet until you reap the benefits of your voting decision, CRAP. Two-three years.. yup… that’ll be a good start to see what’s coming in the economic cards for inflation, high interest rates, dollar in the toilet, expensive everything from cap and trade, and a new failed housing market because of it all. Without having much choice, I’ll be an Obama welfare state senior citizen, laughing my a$$ off at you, squirming to pay my bills and that of the rest of the baby boomers about to hit the system en masse.

In the meantime, Obama’s benefitting from Bush’s foreign policy in Iraq. Obama’s Iraq legacy is not to screw up what Bush and the Iraqi SOFA have accomplished… if he can manage that. At the same time, James Jones, his Nat’l security advisor is telling Lehrer that there is a “slight chance” we may have some improvement in Afghanistan, but not for years. Oh yes… Obama’s “Iraq” will not be the success that Baghdad is.

Meanwhile the rest of the world is testing the Eunuch in Chief because they want to see how much they can get away with before he plays CIC. Sooner or later he’s going to run out of other people’s money to throw at them…

Failure? Right on the horizon, and Franken’s in just in time to help take responsibility for it. Couldn’t have happened to a not-so-nicer guy.

That’s some darn good writing there Mata Harley! I’m with you all the way.

Franken is the epitome of why I so often scorn the Harvard elite. Instead of using his great God given brain (he really is a very smart guy) for a greater good, he has achieved all that he has by arrogance and the destruction and expense of others, much like many in the Obama administration.

I’ll say it again… I’ll take a Palin or a Glenn Beck ANYDAY over an arrogant, ruthless, mean spirited, Harvard elite.

I do fear with the advance of Acorn (now renamed) and monies flying into it, there may be just enough time to pull off a truly fraudulent 2012 Obama re election. It’s been a few decades in years of getting here, but never before have the radical left had this much power to “get the Alinsky and Soros agendas” into action.

Well, pdill, at some point American voters will pick their poison… living with a mediocre lifesyle under Euro-socialism, or maintaining the potential to excel, and be rewarded financially for that excellence.

Right now, Obama’s base is youth, idealistic, and very “love the one you’re with” in construct… just as the bulk of the baby boomers were in the 60s. Nothing wrong with this idealism except that it doesn’t translate to reality successfully, as history show.

Point is, age, experience and getting taken to the cleaners for your efforts takes it’s toll. Easy to wish for no one ever in want, but a different story when you get older and finding yourself supporting your neighbor, who’d rather walk to a mailbox and get a government check than contribute by working for a living.

There’s a plethora of new grads, headed out into a world with little job opportunity. That’ll hurt on their student loans. Then, when they get them, they will find themselves in a world of salary caps… either government mandated, or a business necessity to stay afloat. If they become business owners, they will find out first hand what Obama’s disdain for small business means instead of just listening to conservatives describe the effects.

Yes… at some point, young Americans will make a choice if the Euro-socialism they voted for in ideology is all it’s cracked up to be in reality. By then, they’ll already be supporting me, and our home values and earning capacity will already be in the toilet.

It’s an expensive lesson, and may take some years to reverse. But as long as the young grow up to appreciate what America was founded on… which isn’t a welfare state… it will be reversed.

If not? Hey, glad to be six feet under, or ashes scattered to the winds. And I will be very appreciative I saw America at it’s finest… when it grew post WWI to a superpower and leader of innovation. My granddaughter? So sorry she will miss that experience, but she will adapt because it will be all she knows.