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		<title>By: Democrat = Socialist</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/17/the-obamacare-hole-gets-dug-deeper/#comment-231621</link>
		<dc:creator>Democrat = Socialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Kostard Equates ABC Obama Infomercial To FOX News Tea Party Coverage...&lt;/strong&gt;

Except of course they use the phrase &#8220;Tea Bag Party.&#8221;

Jed:
The funny thing is that at the same time Fox is accusing ABC of being partisan for broadcasting a special report on President Obama’s health care plan from the White House, Fox is ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Kostard Equates ABC Obama Infomercial To FOX News Tea Party Coverage&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Except of course they use the phrase &#8220;Tea Bag Party.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jed:<br />
The funny thing is that at the same time Fox is accusing ABC of being partisan for broadcasting a special report on President Obama’s health care plan from the White House, Fox is &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/17/the-obamacare-hole-gets-dug-deeper/#comment-213860</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;As experienced in California’s health care system, “undocumentated” individuals can break the back of the system. &gt;&gt;

Kind of gives the expression &quot;The world awaits...&quot; a whole new meaning...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;As experienced in California’s health care system, “undocumentated” individuals can break the back of the system. &gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Kind of gives the expression &#8220;The world awaits&#8230;&#8221; a whole new meaning&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But we wanna be as great as not-so-great Britain
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1019/p04s01-woeu.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But we wanna be as great as not-so-great Britain<br />
<a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1019/p04s01-woeu.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1019/p04s01-woeu.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: trizzlor</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/17/the-obamacare-hole-gets-dug-deeper/#comment-213809</link>
		<dc:creator>trizzlor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“House Republicans presented a four-page outline of their health care reform plan Wednesday but said they didn’t know yet how much it would cost, how they would pay for it and how many of the nearly 50 million Americans without insurance would be covered by it.” - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rollcall.com/news/35940-1.html?type=printer_friendly&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Roll Call&lt;/a&gt;

Same as it ever was...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“House Republicans presented a four-page outline of their health care reform plan Wednesday but said they didn’t know yet how much it would cost, how they would pay for it and how many of the nearly 50 million Americans without insurance would be covered by it.” &#8211; <a href="http://www.rollcall.com/news/35940-1.html?type=printer_friendly" rel="nofollow">Roll Call</a></p>
<p>Same as it ever was&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/17/the-obamacare-hole-gets-dug-deeper/#comment-213687</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to credit Obama for some political smarts. He came into office at a time of financial crisis and was able to get people to swallow the idea of trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye could see. Once that pattern was established a new program here and a new program there costing trillions more seems like no big deal.

Also, the way they have carved up health care reform into several packages will confuse the public about the total cost and scope. They have so many trillion dollar spending boondoggles floating around that people will think they are all one and the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to credit Obama for some political smarts. He came into office at a time of financial crisis and was able to get people to swallow the idea of trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye could see. Once that pattern was established a new program here and a new program there costing trillions more seems like no big deal.</p>
<p>Also, the way they have carved up health care reform into several packages will confuse the public about the total cost and scope. They have so many trillion dollar spending boondoggles floating around that people will think they are all one and the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-213341&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;herman&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt; but keep in mind a pubic, medical, and political majority do not trust your ’scramblings&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s not looking as rosy as you think:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/healthcare/june_2009/41_favor_public_sector_health_care_option_41_disagree</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-213341" rel="nofollow">herman</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p> but keep in mind a pubic, medical, and political majority do not trust your ’scramblings</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not looking as rosy as you think:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/healthcare/june_2009/41_favor_public_sector_health_care_option_41_disagree" rel="nofollow">http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/healthcare/june_2009/41_favor_public_sector_health_care_option_41_disagree</a></p>
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		<title>By: ditto</title>
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		<dc:creator>ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Curt

Of course ABC is refusing to run paid ads. You don&#039;t run other advertisements during an infomercial.


@Herman

There is no such thing as a pubic poll. Although many have been accused of it, no one&#039;s pubic is actually capable of making decisions, but may only provide the individual with an uninformed advisory opinion, which most of the time should be treated as bad advisement. (That if followed, could lead to incarceration, social disease or pregnancy.)

&quot;Public poll&quot; is perhaps the term are looking for, We note that as usual you provide no supporting facts. Polls are little more than unscientific statistics compiled to support a particular conclusion.

An Obamacare plan would be in direct competition with the health insurance industry. There would be absolutely no reason for employers to set-up enrollment in private insurance plans for their employees, once a government system is instituted. If you want to know how well government managed health care is, ask a Veteran. Look at how current government offices work and consider whether you want health care to run like the DMV, Post Office, Etc... (Insert any other government agency here.)  


Here are the big factors of Government managed health-care:

(1) There is that there is no way to pay for it.  (Zip, zippo, the pockets are empty, no one will loan us the money.)

(2) Once instituted, those in Washington DC who refuse to do anything to staunch illegal immigration, will make certain that illegals will also be eligible.  As experienced in California&#039;s health care system, &quot;undocumentated&quot; individuals can break the back of the system. 

(3) It can not happen without rationing of health care: Waiting lists, qualification screening via insensitive clerks who don&#039;t know medicine and who don&#039;t care about the patient, sub-standard medicine, the draconian cutting off of treatment by social-political government bureaucrats. (Too Old, Too bad. No Smokers. Abortion instead of counseling for teens. If you are diagnosed with cancer, that sucks but the govenment will help with your funeral planning.)

Then of course there are the other perils. (Government sponsored [CIA=Project:MKULTRA,  FBI=COINTELPRO] experimentation on unsuspecting patients.) You can not trust the government not to pull other such crap on it&#039;s citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Curt</p>
<p>Of course ABC is refusing to run paid ads. You don&#8217;t run other advertisements during an infomercial.</p>
<p>@Herman</p>
<p>There is no such thing as a pubic poll. Although many have been accused of it, no one&#8217;s pubic is actually capable of making decisions, but may only provide the individual with an uninformed advisory opinion, which most of the time should be treated as bad advisement. (That if followed, could lead to incarceration, social disease or pregnancy.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Public poll&#8221; is perhaps the term are looking for, We note that as usual you provide no supporting facts. Polls are little more than unscientific statistics compiled to support a particular conclusion.</p>
<p>An Obamacare plan would be in direct competition with the health insurance industry. There would be absolutely no reason for employers to set-up enrollment in private insurance plans for their employees, once a government system is instituted. If you want to know how well government managed health care is, ask a Veteran. Look at how current government offices work and consider whether you want health care to run like the DMV, Post Office, Etc&#8230; (Insert any other government agency here.)  </p>
<p>Here are the big factors of Government managed health-care:</p>
<p>(1) There is that there is no way to pay for it.  (Zip, zippo, the pockets are empty, no one will loan us the money.)</p>
<p>(2) Once instituted, those in Washington DC who refuse to do anything to staunch illegal immigration, will make certain that illegals will also be eligible.  As experienced in California&#8217;s health care system, &#8220;undocumentated&#8221; individuals can break the back of the system. </p>
<p>(3) It can not happen without rationing of health care: Waiting lists, qualification screening via insensitive clerks who don&#8217;t know medicine and who don&#8217;t care about the patient, sub-standard medicine, the draconian cutting off of treatment by social-political government bureaucrats. (Too Old, Too bad. No Smokers. Abortion instead of counseling for teens. If you are diagnosed with cancer, that sucks but the govenment will help with your funeral planning.)</p>
<p>Then of course there are the other perils. (Government sponsored [CIA=Project:MKULTRA,  FBI=COINTELPRO] experimentation on unsuspecting patients.) You can not trust the government not to pull other such crap on it&#8217;s citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/17/the-obamacare-hole-gets-dug-deeper/#comment-213391</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OBAMA IS EVIL, IT&#039;S AS SIMPLE AS THAT....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaErlyGdEtE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OBAMA IS EVIL, IT&#8217;S AS SIMPLE AS THAT&#8230;.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaErlyGdEtE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaErlyGdEtE</a></p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For &quot;$4 trillion over 10 years&quot; you could probably get most of these &quot;uninsured&quot; people to take a permanent&quot; vacation in Bermuda, just like the Uighurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For &#8220;$4 trillion over 10 years&#8221; you could probably get most of these &#8220;uninsured&#8221; people to take a permanent&#8221; vacation in Bermuda, just like the Uighurs.</p>
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		<title>By: Granny</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/17/the-obamacare-hole-gets-dug-deeper/#comment-213383</link>
		<dc:creator>Granny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expand Medicaid?  Are they out of their friggin&#039; minds?  Medicaid is the most fraud ridden &amp; problematic program in all of government - with a fifty year history of just exactly that.  Medicaid (and Medicare) already pay substantially less than either any other insurance program or cash payers and providers wait extended periods of time for that pittance.  A wait of more than a year to be paid  is not unusual.  Medicaid is SO problematic for providers that many have either discontinued accepting Medicaid patients entirely or have simply stopped taking new patients.  

If the Obama &quot;administration&quot; thinks they are going to force doctors to accept even more Medicaid patients than they already serve, they are whistling Dixie in the dark.  Nobody can force someone to practice medicine.  Care providers across the spectrum will leave the medical professions in droves.  Note:  we already have a fairly severe shortage of medical personnel in certain specialties (OB-GYN for one) and fields like nursing.  

REALLY BAD IDEA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expand Medicaid?  Are they out of their friggin&#8217; minds?  Medicaid is the most fraud ridden &amp; problematic program in all of government &#8211; with a fifty year history of just exactly that.  Medicaid (and Medicare) already pay substantially less than either any other insurance program or cash payers and providers wait extended periods of time for that pittance.  A wait of more than a year to be paid  is not unusual.  Medicaid is SO problematic for providers that many have either discontinued accepting Medicaid patients entirely or have simply stopped taking new patients.  </p>
<p>If the Obama &#8220;administration&#8221; thinks they are going to force doctors to accept even more Medicaid patients than they already serve, they are whistling Dixie in the dark.  Nobody can force someone to practice medicine.  Care providers across the spectrum will leave the medical professions in droves.  Note:  we already have a fairly severe shortage of medical personnel in certain specialties (OB-GYN for one) and fields like nursing.  </p>
<p>REALLY BAD IDEA!</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the year is 2050


USA is a socialized, balkanized zone.  People live substandard, highly regimented lives.

No opportunity to excel or advance.

Class lines have become merged.  Groups become more important than individuals.

Life became expendable in pre-birth, birth, sickness and old age.

Aparatchicks, Czars and courts become the Emporer&#039;s unelected enforcers.

Dissent is not tolerated.  Talk radio is nixed for &quot;community standards&quot;.  Religion gets marginalized and the state becomes the quasi religion.

Enviromentalism becomes a vessle for socialism and civil re-engineering

Success is punished.  Failure is rewarded and coddled.



Welcome to hell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the year is 2050</p>
<p>USA is a socialized, balkanized zone.  People live substandard, highly regimented lives.</p>
<p>No opportunity to excel or advance.</p>
<p>Class lines have become merged.  Groups become more important than individuals.</p>
<p>Life became expendable in pre-birth, birth, sickness and old age.</p>
<p>Aparatchicks, Czars and courts become the Emporer&#8217;s unelected enforcers.</p>
<p>Dissent is not tolerated.  Talk radio is nixed for &#8220;community standards&#8221;.  Religion gets marginalized and the state becomes the quasi religion.</p>
<p>Enviromentalism becomes a vessle for socialism and civil re-engineering</p>
<p>Success is punished.  Failure is rewarded and coddled.</p>
<p>Welcome to hell</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/17/the-obamacare-hole-gets-dug-deeper/#comment-213363</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Sanity weighs in...
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2009/06/this-time-i-dont-care-anymorelet.html

...as does the AMA...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/16/not-everybody-likes-obama-obamamessiah-booed-by-doctors-at-ama-event/
First comment there does some simple arithmatic, and makes a very interesting point.
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;We will take working Paul and make him pay for illegal Jose and non-working Peter to be insured while removing working Paul from his current health care insurance program! What a deal!&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Sanity weighs in&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2009/06/this-time-i-dont-care-anymorelet.html" rel="nofollow">http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2009/06/this-time-i-dont-care-anymorelet.html</a></p>
<p>&#8230;as does the AMA&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/16/not-everybody-likes-obama-obamamessiah-booed-by-doctors-at-ama-event/" rel="nofollow">http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/06/16/not-everybody-likes-obama-obamamessiah-booed-by-doctors-at-ama-event/</a><br />
First comment there does some simple arithmatic, and makes a very interesting point.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;We will take working Paul and make him pay for illegal Jose and non-working Peter to be insured while removing working Paul from his current health care insurance program! What a deal!&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>herman, All of them. Your partisan crap is part of the problem. All of Them. Is your lobotomy reversible or did they lie to you about that too? Trillions are something You can&#039;t count on your fingers and toes so you can&#039;t imagine that, Eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>herman, All of them. Your partisan crap is part of the problem. All of Them. Is your lobotomy reversible or did they lie to you about that too? Trillions are something You can&#8217;t count on your fingers and toes so you can&#8217;t imagine that, Eh?</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/17/the-obamacare-hole-gets-dug-deeper/#comment-213351</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-213341&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;herman&lt;/a&gt;:  

Let&#039;s look at Homer&#039;s bloviating...
&lt;em&gt;&quot;...but keep in mind a pubic, medical, and political majority do not trust your ’scramblings.’&quot;&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

What exactly is a &quot;pubic[sic?], medical and political majority?&quot; [no fair asking Woopie Goldberg]  And where is the &quot;evidence&quot; that clearly show what they do and do not &quot;trust?&quot;

He&#039;s just throwing our words back at us, along with his made up assertions that we are wrong.  They NEVER give proof of anything.  They just &quot;know&quot; they are right, but haven&#039;t a clue about what constitutes being &quot;right&quot; because they are &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev030309a.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ALWAYS WRONG!&lt;/A&gt;

Yet, without any reasoning, or facts, we are to &quot;keep in mind&quot; the drek he spews at us?

Come on, homer, get a clue.  Meet us halfway, and give us some facts to back up your assertions.  Come on, fella, you can do it ...if you really know what you are talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-213341" rel="nofollow">herman</a>:  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at Homer&#8217;s bloviating&#8230;<br />
<em>&#8220;&#8230;but keep in mind a pubic, medical, and political majority do not trust your ’scramblings.’&#8221;&gt;</em></p>
<p>What exactly is a &#8220;pubic[sic?], medical and political majority?&#8221; [no fair asking Woopie Goldberg]  And where is the &#8220;evidence&#8221; that clearly show what they do and do not &#8220;trust?&#8221;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s just throwing our words back at us, along with his made up assertions that we are wrong.  They NEVER give proof of anything.  They just &#8220;know&#8221; they are right, but haven&#8217;t a clue about what constitutes being &#8220;right&#8221; because they are <a HREF="http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev030309a.cfm" rel="nofollow">ALWAYS WRONG!</a></p>
<p>Yet, without any reasoning, or facts, we are to &#8220;keep in mind&#8221; the drek he spews at us?</p>
<p>Come on, homer, get a clue.  Meet us halfway, and give us some facts to back up your assertions.  Come on, fella, you can do it &#8230;if you really know what you are talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EARTH TO LEFTIES.  WAKEY WAKEY.  TIME TO ARISE FROM YOUR SLUMBER
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2009m2d23-Obamas-economic-policies-called-fascist

or is it a drug induced coma?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EARTH TO LEFTIES.  WAKEY WAKEY.  TIME TO ARISE FROM YOUR SLUMBER<br />
<a href="http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2009m2d23-Obamas-economic-policies-called-fascist" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2009m2d23-Obamas-economic-policies-called-fascist</a></p>
<p>or is it a drug induced coma?</p>
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