http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fharrisinteractive.com%2Fnews%2Fnewsletters%2Fhealthnews%2FHI_HealthCareNews2008Vol8_Iss6.pdf&ei=B45MSqa7LIyysgP6vsHpBQ&usg=AFQjCNGM1zYK2DPagCQo8YL3pcxQ1BqVxA&sig2=LI7fTuwMzp51R-jbby39SQ

When fully implemented, about 39 million individuals would obtain coverage through the new insurance exchanges. At the same time, the number of people who had coverage through an employer would decline by about 15 million (or roughly 10 percent), and coverage from other sources would fall by about 8 million, so the net decrease in the number of people uninsured would be about 16 million or 17 million.

Which to me suggests that 23 million would switch from private coverage to government (”through the new insurance exchanges”), not that they would lose coverage. Does the plan explicitly force certain people to leave their private coverage?

Also, the plan assessed by HSI to be $4 trillion is essentially one that they made up themselves (99% reduction) and with some pretty generous assumptions: “the main reason why the group’s estimate is so much higher than the CBO is that it assumes more people will buy coverage with government help“.

I suggest you teach your offspring the fine art of picking up pop cans along the roadsides to supplement their income.

Congress’ Unhealthy Care Plan
By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Health Care: The CBO says a government-run health care system would cause 23 million Americans to lose private coverage, cost $1 trillion dollars and still leave 30 million uninsured.

The CBO director says on his official blog, “According to our preliminary assessment, enacting the proposal would result in a net increase in federal budget deficits of about $1.0 trillion over the 2010-2019 period.”

The plan was hit by a wave of criticism after a congressional estimate that it would cost over $1 trillion and still not cover most of the uninsured.
This figure doesn’t even include the cost of a proposed “public plan” option.

The CBO says its figures “do not represent a formal or complete cost estimate for the draft legislation . . . only the major provisions related to health insurance coverage.”

The folks at cost management solutions provider Health Systems have factored such things in as subsidies, Medicaid expansion and reducing the number of uninsured by 99%.

The number they come up with is a staggering deficit increase of $4 trillion over 10 years with 79 million Americans shifted out of private insurance to government-run health care.

http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=330132594100938

I’m glad to hear you don’t like me at all. That suits me just fine. However, saying that I don’t love this country because I disagree with you is ass-nine. However, I should know better than to expect anything better from a rightie. (who is rarely correct)

Saying Larry is delusional because he does not agree with you is so much like all of the righties on here.. When we don’t agree with your rightie thinking then those of us on the Left are delusional or we have wishful thinking. You are a sad case.

Aye,

You just continue your BS daily don’t you? You are another one that can’t seem to get a grip on reality. It’s a strange thing but continues on FA constant SPEW about the left and OBAMA. Not much in the line of truth but that’s a righties view point. My only hope for you is that one of these days you will wake up.

You know something Sky, you’re always good for a good belly laugh.

I quoted your own words from one of your comments, in which you whine and cry like a six year old girl about someone engaging in personal attacks and then, two lines later, you engage in a personal attack.

Now you’ve created an entirely new comment in which you whine again about personal attacks while engaging in….personal attacks.

You have been repeatedly and relentlessly confronted by, and at times, mercilessly pummeled with the facts here at FA by me, by the other authors, and by other commenters as well.

Your remarkable inability to debate has not gone unnoticed. In fact, it has been repeatedly pointed out.

Each and every time you have attempted anything even close to a debate you have been eviscerated because you have neither mental acuity or factual accuracy on your side.

Most of the time, you don’t even bring any facts, you just blather and dribble along, slinging poo to see what will stick, and then, when confronted, you scurry away like a cockroach in the light only to return to leave a screed regarding some other topic at some other time.

You’ve been shown to be a fool over and over and over and you don’t even realize it. Pavlov’s dogs were able to learn what the bell ringing meant. Why haven’t you?

Personally, I don’t give a rat’s furry ass what you may or may not think of me because I find you to be less than irrelevant. I discovered a long while back what you’re all about. You weren’t a difficult read.

For anyone who is interested, the Internet is filled with your droppings.

Sky you are, quite frankly, the poster child for what is wrong in America and I’m glad that you’ve stuck around here as long as you have.

It’s always good to have “Exhibit A” right at my fingertips.

Beyond that, it’s fun to laugh at you.

When you care for someone you want them to be healthy and to succeed. You don’t push them towards things like prostitution, drugs, crime, etc. Those are things that can kill them. Encouraging them to engage in such destructive behaviors IS NOT a sign that you love them. Defending those that want them to do such horrible things further proves you do not love them.

You see, pushing America towards the equivalent of prostitution, drugs use, and crime in the form of socialism is absolute proof you do not love America or even know what it is to love her. You defend the left no matter what they do to harm this country then try to claim you are a patriot. You don’t know the meaning of the word.
Oh, and please don’t give me line about Rush wanting obama to fail. I heard what he said, and I have heard what he has said since and it is has not changed. He does not want obama to succeed in his efforts to turn America into a socialist country. Rush wants America to succeed. Obama does not.

Lastly the reason why I don’t bother to debate those like yourself is because it’s a waste of time. Any links will be ignored/dismissed and anything contrary to your belief will be ignored/dismissed. You will spew the same tired leftist talking points, moral equivalency, elitism, and hate as usual. I could have a more productive conversation with the homeless guy that talks to light poles.

Ok, one more thing. While I have bashed larry pretty hard he is merely guilty of delusional/wishful thinking. Actually, I don’t think he’s a bad person. You CRAP, I don’t like you at all.

Way to go RIGHT WINGER!! No substance just smack people when they don’t agree with you.

That has been your mode of operation all along!

if someone disagrees with you smack them on a personal level

Typical right wing BS.. you are so full of yourself!

Hey Sky55110….

Irony and Hypocrisy are holding for you on lines 1 and 2.

Irony and Hypocrisy….lines 1 and 2.

that’s it you got it if someone disagrees with you smack them on a personal level instead of addressing any real issues..

Typical right wing BS.. you are so full of yourself!

Why not means testing? If MassHealth proves to be a great solution, great. But before we jump into a major overhaul, isn’t there some way to means test different ideas to find the one that works best for everyone?
Personally, I think we need to move away from the employer-based system. If you get a kidney disease or some other illness while you’re at your current job, decide you want to move on, that illness could prevent you from doing so because of the employer-based plan.

As for Canada, statistics I saw here not long ago showed that population-wide statistics such as infant mortality rate and life expectancy (when adjusted for other covariates) put the US on the same level. Likewise, the rate of our poor who don’t get treatment due to money is about the same as their poor who don’t get treatment due to long lines. They spend less on health-care per capita, but they also have fewer high-class tech like MRI’s, and they’re obviously smaller. Who knows …

the poor sick in the US get better treatment than employed sick in Canada

Ok, I retract my horse dung statement. You made a good point.
My wife used to work for DFCS. The amount of welfare money that went out was crazy. They also helped people get medicade and in Ga. they have a thing called Peachcare for kids. The case workers were discouraged from investigating reported income, employment and citizenship. If the people that are scamming the system would quit or if they could be investigated and prosecuted, there would be a lot more money for those that truly need it.