A Boeing 757 and a fleet of armored cars for Michelle’s sight seeing tour!

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Michelle One

On Sunday, President Obama flew back to the United States on Air Force One. His wife, two daughters and her mother did a bit of shopping in Paris before taking their own Boeing 757 (C-32) over to London to do some sight seeing.

We all remember Obama’s admonishment to corporate CEO’s in February:

“You can’t get corporate jets, you can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers dime.”

Apparently that doesn’t apply to his wife.

The London Times opened it’s description of Michelle’s visit this way:

Motorcycle outriders, armoured Chevrolets and bullet-headed men in raincoats criss-crossed London yesterday as Michelle Obama and her daughters spent a second day on an unofficial visit to the capital.

The Times went on to describe that when Michelle and the girls arrived at Westminster Abbey, the building was closed to tourists with people already in told to “wait against the wall.” An American visiting the Abbey said “Right then I knew it was probably someone from our ‘royal family’.”

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Michelle’s motorcade shut down the London street above as the First Lady of the World and her children go for Fish and Chips at a pub in Mayfair. The entourage inside the restaurant was 15 people while dozens more wait outside. Include the dozens of Air Force personnel to fly and service the plane, embassy personnel and other staff and we are talking about a serious expenditure of tax payer dollars.

Meanwhile, millions of Americans have lost their jobs and won’t be able to take their family on a summer holiday. Despite their circumstances they’ll still be expected to fork over the tax dollars to pay for Michelle’s trip!

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88 comments so far

native
 1Reply to this comment  

what a man our president is, he and his ugly wife think they are above everyone else.

June 9th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Sean
 2Reply to this comment  

I thought everyone was going to have to ’sacrifice’. the only people the Obama’s are interested in sacrificing are people like my friend who is about to become homeless in a few days.

I’m trying to get the word out about his sisters fund raiser for him, I’m afraid it may be too late though. Here’s a link in case you are interested.

http://mylastshredsofsanity.blogspot.com/2009/06/its-contest-its-raffle-its-fundraiser.html

Good guy, former police officer, just hit some really hard times and couldn’t seem to find another job- he had two and lost both within two weeks.

June 9th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
luva the scissors
 3Reply to this comment  

the rules and scarifices only apply to others, the obama’s are exempt for the simple fact that “he won”. freakin priggish snot head. jesus, this pisses me off, they really have zero concern for the poeple footing the bill for this little trip. that ugly sasquatch lookin thing should leave the white house.

June 9th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
pdill
 4Reply to this comment  

Luva reading ad hominem rants like yours is the reason I often stay away from this board for days. Your harsh attacking tone and continued use of taking the name of Jesus in vain is below you don’t you think? Did it ever occur to you that some FA readers might be more offended by that then Michelle’s shopping trip to Paris?

How can the conservative agenda ever be taken seriously when we have rants like yours so ugly they make me want to take Obama’s side?

It’s well known I’m no big fan of the Obamas, but for goodness sakes, do you have to begrudge them EVERYTHING? Yes, the Obamas are more than over the top and don’t appear to be the best example of American Leadership, but like it or not, they still won the white house. I think if you check the actual facts, you will learn that the Obamas DO have to pay for the airfare for Michelle and the kids (it’s part of their perks, they have an expense account for personal use, but DO have to reimburse ,at commercial rates, for personal airfare).

I doubt they have to pay for the secret service, which of course, comes with the job.

I too am not happy that they are such poor examples in both the “worst recession since the great depression and the great global warming crisis.” Can’t you at least see they are hanging themselves with their own rope? Who could possible take them seriously except of course, the last love sick of the MSM?

For what it’s worth, I’m sure I’ve gone overboard myself at times on personal attacks. My point; it doesn’t serve the conservative cause when any of us do it.

June 9th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
 5Reply to this comment  

@pdill: Actually I got a big kick out of Luva’s “sasquatch ” remark.

You might not agree with her choice of words but that doesn’t make her words wrong or counterproductive.

June 9th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
FedUp
 6Reply to this comment  

I am embarrassesd by the obamas and their leap to royalty status.
Can you imagine what would be said if a Republican did this??? Just what was the carbon footprint for all this travel??? Guess they couldn’t have buddied up with dear ol’ Dad in HIS plane…

Guess they’d better do all their traveling during their only term in office.

June 10th, 2009 at 4:08 am
Scott Malensek
 7Reply to this comment  

Where is Keith Olberman’s rage?

Honestly, that quote from Barack about not being allowed to go to Vegas on the taxpayer’s dime is GOLD! (pardon the pun)

June 10th, 2009 at 4:15 am
philly_nj
 8Reply to this comment  

Beware The Birds, Vultures are circling as the Obama’s chickens come home to roost.
:)

June 10th, 2009 at 4:50 am
Glenn Cassel AMH1(AW) USN RET
 9Reply to this comment  

Anybody done a fuel burn check on a C-32 lately? I don’t know the numbers but I do know that those fuel efficient P&W turbofans are only efficient when it has a certain load factor. Turbine aircraft measure fuel burn in pounds per hour, not gallons. The cost of the crew is fairly flat due to active pay being on a set rate, plus the per diem for the trip. I can only guess at the cost of the secret service detail. I did like the bullet-head reference, though. It is probably a reference to high and tight haircuts, most of which are not regulation.
It is amazing that I lost my job building corporate aircraft here in Wichita and then the “queen and the princesses” get this on our dime. Or sawbuck($20 bill) would be a better way of stating it.
What I gather from the obambozo clan is this. The 89th MAW is now considered their personal world wide air taxi service. Because this is not a diplomatic, fly the flag mission. It is a personal junket.

June 10th, 2009 at 5:16 am
Sid
 10Reply to this comment  

Let them eat cake!

June 10th, 2009 at 5:44 am
JustAl
 11Reply to this comment  

So, where did the extra plane come from? When was it dispatched to Europe and was it sent specifically for this little escapade? I guess we will never know.

June 10th, 2009 at 6:02 am
Tom in Ca
 12Reply to this comment  

We probably need to cut her some slack. After all, when you know there is only 4 years to get in some sightseeing on the public dole, get r done!

Thankfully, on Drudge, is a wonderful pic of Michelle in London in a delightful outfit. I mean delightful.

June 10th, 2009 at 6:18 am
FedUp
 13Reply to this comment  

Tom in CA… Geez… who dresses that woman??? She shouldn’t be seen in her ‘garden’ wearing that getup! Wow… what a fashion statement for the US. She makes Hillary look like a Vogue cover model… bleech!

June 10th, 2009 at 7:24 am
 14Reply to this comment  

@Tom in Ca:
@FedUp:

All right, all right…..you guys forced me to go look…..oooff…

I’ll post the pic so others can enjoy it:

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Exit question:

What is the carbon footprint of this little adventure?

June 10th, 2009 at 7:34 am
TammyL
 15Reply to this comment  

I have just one comment about the picture of Michelle Obama. What in the world is she wearing? it looks like she went to Joannes and cleaned out the curtain lace departments and had the ribbons of lace sowed to a cami, tank?

June 10th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Aleric
 16Reply to this comment  

Ok lets count the number of news outlets inside the US that will even have a story related to this shopping spree as being a negative.

June 10th, 2009 at 7:56 am
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What I really enjoyed were the $540 shoes that MO wore to the homeless shelter:

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June 10th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Tom in CA
 18Reply to this comment  

I told you. Delightful.

The shoes…..probably best description would be something similar to OJ’s description of the Bruno Maglis in the murder trial.

June 10th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Tom in CA
 19Reply to this comment  

What is really bothersome is that not one of her aides would explain to her that you can’t be seen in public as the First Lady looking like a fishing lure.

June 10th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Tom in CA
 20Reply to this comment  

Upon closer inspection, the guy in the photo in the red tie knows. He is stifling a gut laugh.

June 10th, 2009 at 8:45 am
bigpapa
 21Reply to this comment  

pdill,,,
perhaps I find your preachy attitude as annoying as the nobama wench???

I’m sick of thin skinned/PC/ holier than thou people.

So many other things to worry about!

June 10th, 2009 at 8:59 am
1903A3
 22Reply to this comment  

man,did you see the size of them DOGS? woof!

June 10th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Joanne
 23Reply to this comment  

Tom in CA. You’re right about the guy in the red tie. First LOL I’ve had today, and I needed that! Thank you!

June 10th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
nelly
 24Reply to this comment  

Please somebody tell me that she didn’t wear that getup to Westminster Abbey–please!!

June 10th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
 25Reply to this comment  

Nelly,

I’m sorry to say that she did.

June 10th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
nelly
 26Reply to this comment  

cringe–words fail me. . .

June 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
 27Reply to this comment  

Too bad she didn’t try that ensemble in Cairo… Oh, that’s right… she didn’t go to Cairo! Too busy planning her splash tour through Paris and London!

God what an embarrassment she is!

June 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
metoo
 28Reply to this comment  

We all fuss about this mess…..I DO TOO! I think it is awful and I think it is a disgrace to have them in DC. BUT what can we do? Is there a way to get them out? Before their time? WHAT WHAT can the US do to get this? I know people voted him in, BUT those people I hope know now what they are…If a person works for their dollars, which I DO, then we are a nothing. If you don’t work for aliving, then these DC are ‘GREAT I guesslllllllllll I am sick of these People, BUT WHAT CAN WE DO??

June 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
 29Reply to this comment  

@metoo: What can we do?

1. Write letters to our congressman or woman and Senators objected to socialist policies Obama is trying to implement. That’s not the centrist platform he campaigned on.
2. Write letters to the editor of your local newspaper.
3. Attend any town hall meetings your elected represenatives have in your area. Make sure to have a question or statement ready if you are selected to speak.
4. Get involved in your local GOP. Let them know you will only support CONSERVATIVES.
5. Go to a Tea Party on July 4th.
6. Donate money to conservative candidates and groups.

June 10th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
metoo
 30Reply to this comment  

I do that and think sometimes, does it really help? BUT I guess it does and I will keep doing it.

June 10th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
 31Reply to this comment  

@metoo: It DOES help. I worked for a Senator answering letters from constituents. If conservatives don’t write and express their opinion that won’t stop the lefties from doing so.

I know it’s frustrating sometimes because our elected officials don’t always toe the line. But that’s all the more reason to keep writing, calling, speaking, contributing…..

June 10th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
metoo
 32Reply to this comment  

I agree with you. We have to keep on and keep on trying, that’s all a person can do. And I will keep on. Thanks.

June 10th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
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Michelle Obama the first woman to confuse shabby chic with haute couture. I heard at the Louvre she asked her French tour guide if he ate cake.

I wonder how much this mis adventure cost the taxpayers??

June 10th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
metoo
 34Reply to this comment  

You can bet it cost the tax payers allot, can’t we? Just sick………..I personally don’t see how someone like these people can get into the white house. But they did……….voted in, I know that, but I know I did not vote for him and would never………….and lots of others didn’t vote for him either, but lots did. Taxes are high eneough like it is and taxes just keep going up or know they have here where I live………and am sure almost every state has gone up on taxes. Just sick…….

June 10th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
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@metoo: Obama promised that he wouldn’t raise the taxes of people who make less than $250,000. He made that statement over and over.

Just ask anyone who smokes and makes less than $250k if their cigarette taxes didn’t already go sky high.

And that’s just the beginning. Wait to see what happens if he gets his cap and trade scam passed.

Now, back to the subject of the cost of Michelle’s sight seeing trip: We have to factor in the cost of flying a fleet of armored cars over to London for her to drive around in. It’s not just the cost of the jet she flew in.

June 10th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
metoo
 36Reply to this comment  

AND I am not quite sure I want to know how much it cost US ALL for her to do what she did and what she does and what he does. I just know I am tired of paying for THEIR things and everyone else’s things that don’t do this and don’t do that.

And people that smoke, YES, taxes went sky high on them……….but that is the start of allot, isn’t it??

I have been sending Faxes again and fixing to go back and send some more. Decided it is best to do it and keep doing it. If these people get tired of seeing so many faxes maybe they will read them and see what they say and do something……..

June 10th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
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@metoo: Don’t expect to get an answer. One reporter at the White House press briefing following Barack and Michelle’s date night in New York two weeks ago asked about the cost and never got an answer.

Obama promised transparency and openness but apparently that doesn’t apply to him.

Keep going with the faxes and letters. I have one I have been working on about Judge Sotomayor. I need to get it out. I’ll post it at Flopping Aces when I do.

June 10th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
nelly
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As to the cost of Michelles’ excellent adventure, we also have to factor in the cost of the numbers of people she brought along–security personnel, personal trainers, makeup people, wardrobe advisors (cough), hairdressers, personal chefs, etc. . .I’m willing to bet that this little jaunt is costing us well over a cool $1 million. . .

It’s interesting to note the media’s silence on this little trip, except for Maureen Dowd’s editorial justifying the Leader’s “date night” and other leisure activities.

June 11th, 2009 at 6:46 am
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I am not happy about this either, but if pdill is right, and the Obamas are footing this bill and not the tax paying American people, then there is nothing nefarious being done here. Maybe a little bit of spoiling, but nothing more. Also, I hope I am not the only one who read the article linked to this thread, it’s tone is entirely different.

June 11th, 2009 at 7:21 am
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@Ryan: The Obama’s are NOT paying the full expense of this trip. The rule for these trips is that the First Family pays the cost of a First Class ticket on travel and of their own meals.

They certainly do not pay for the expenses incurred by the dozens of persons there to provide for their safety, transportation, daily staff needs. Nor do they pay for the cost of ferrying all those armored cars over the Atlantic in cargo planes.

It’s impossible to say exactly how much a “private” trip like this costs as the Obama’s refuse to release that information.

But it’s not cheap.

June 11th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Alan R
 41Reply to this comment  

If a GOP 1st Lady and kids had done this, it would not have made the news.

June 11th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Glenn Cassel AMH1(AW) USN RET
 42Reply to this comment  

If a GOP first lady and kids did this,the left would be screaming about where the money should have gone.

June 12th, 2009 at 3:01 am
Carol S.
 43Reply to this comment  

What’s wrong with Michelle taking the girls to Europe for a few days? What’s all the uproar about? It’s great that they’re exposing the girls to other cultures. Anything they do would cost the taxpayers money. That’s the nature of the world we live in today and all the security that’s necessary. For your information, the US government pays for full housing expenses, transportation and private schools for all US embassy personnel posted abroad. The President isn’t the only one who gets his expenses paid.

June 12th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
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@Carol S.: I’m glad to hear you don’t mind paying hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money so the Obama girls can go sight seeing with their mother.

Unfortunately, Obama has told the rest of us we need to sacrifice.

If you or I used taxpayer money in this way for a private trip Obama would be condemning us.

June 12th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Glenn Cassel AMH1(AW) USN RET
 45Reply to this comment  

For Carol S.
But the CinC told us we have to tighten our belts and that we have to make sacrifices. I am currently making a large one, I got laid off on 26 February. I was at an aircraft plant, one that makes corporate aircraft. Remember when the CinC and his cronies went after corporate CEOs for using business aircraft? Now I am out of work in my chosen field.
So I figure that, if his wife and kids get a VC-32A with all the required support for a sight-seeing trip in England, that is going way overboard.
I had the displeasure of serving under two of his idealogical predecessors, the Peanut Farmer and Bubba. When there are “gentlemen” such as that holding the highest office in the Republic, life for the average grunt, seaman, wrench-turner on active duty tends to be bad.
As one who made the Navy a career choice, along with all of us who have the Retired designation, the tendency is to wonder what in the hell did our fellow countrymen give us that we do not deserve.
On the subject of our diplomatic and Armed Forces personnel posted overseas. That is a given, particularly if it is a place that the member can bring the family.
And let us not forget, that the Cinc/Family/Staff and queen michelle consider the 89th Military Airlift Wing to be their personal air service. Sort of like hillary using Flag and General Officers as waiters and busboys at White House functions.
But, you should know this. any of us who take the oath to serve the Republic in Uniform are on any given day, better than the the current CinC and his entire entourage/posse. It is the only way we can deal with the current situation.
Fair Winds and Following Seas.
Anchors Aweigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

June 13th, 2009 at 4:50 am
DougBurlison
 46Reply to this comment  

Personally, I am disgusted by expenditures like this. I am equally disgusted by people that are only critical when the “other side” does it. For all of you complaining about this trip, ask yourselves this question: “Would you be as vocal if this story was about Cindy McCain, if her husband Senator John would have won the presidency?” If your answer is something like “The president and his family are in such a high pressure situation, it’s only fitting that they have opportunities to travel and relax,” then you win the Keith Olberman award for hypocrisy! Until we step outside of the two-party box, we’ll continue alternating the barrage of insults, depending on who won the previous election. I for one think America is better than this, but a majority of us are stuck in the political “Super Bowl Syndrome.” How’s your team doing?

June 21st, 2009 at 3:56 pm
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@DougBurlison: What you are saying is that if Some Republican in the future could potentially do something like this (since none has in the past) that we should give Obama a pass?

Surely you can understand why that is a non starter.

As for the rest of your comment. Did you post similar suggestions on lefty blogs when Bush was President? Can you give us a link to those comments?

June 21st, 2009 at 4:50 pm
DougBurlison
 48Reply to this comment  

Mike’s America,
I’m glad to see someone getting defensive, that means you are at least paying attention. I am not defending the Obama’s at all. In the same vein, I would not defend the McCain’s, Bushes, Clinton’s, etc. I’m saying that our system is extremely flawed, and the left vs. right, back-and-forth B.S. is perpetuating this system.

To directly answer your questions:
Obama deserves no pass, I’m not recommending you give him one.
I seriously doubt that I posted anything similar to this on any “lefty” blogs when Bush was president, the issues were different.

To clarify, I believe most of the people behind these particular criticisms WOULD give the president a pass if he or she was from THEIR party; thus the comparison to Keith Olberman.
If the shoe fits . . .

June 21st, 2009 at 7:18 pm
 49Reply to this comment  

@DougBurlison:

Doug,

First, welcome.

Come on in and stay awhile.

You won’t find anyone here who points fingers at the Dims and then says “Big deal” or “Oh well” when the same type of behavior is exhibited by the other side.

Overall, we’re a very consistent, conservative bunch here.

You and I agree that our current system is broken. We deviated from the advice of the Founding Fathers in general, and Washington in particular, and that is what got us into this mess.

The Republican Party strayed from its’ principles beginning way back at Teddy Roosevelt, and perhaps further.

Until the citizens of this country take a stand and say that they have had enough we will continue on this merry-go-round of Rep/Dem destruction.

We the People have got to figure out what our values are as a people.

We need to apply the principles of the Founders to determine what our path should be.

Again, I, speaking for me personally, take issue with both of these parties. They are both taking us to the same damn place. The only difference is that one is getting us there on a jet airplane and the other would take us there by bus.

Again, welcome.

I look forward to “hearing” your voice in this wilderness in which we find ourselves.

June 21st, 2009 at 7:28 pm
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@DougBurlison: I don’t see it as “defensive” that I point out how your hypothetical about some possible GOP misdeed in the future is in any way comparable to the acts that Obama and his family HAVE DONE.

If you could point to an example where one of the Bush’s had done something similar you might have a case. But surely, an intelligent person could never seriously pose a hypothetical as you have done and assert that pointing out that error is somehow “defensive.”

And thank you for admitting that you haven’t posted similar calls on lefty blogs. That pretty much confirms where I suspect you are coming from.

June 21st, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Taxed enough
 51Reply to this comment  

@ Carol S.

First of all, let’s not forget the hypocracy stems from the “fact” that he said NO to extravagance.
He said, we’d ALL have to make sacrifices.
Second, if culture is so very important, then where’s my trip to London or Paris to take my children to see the great works of art or the historical buildings and museums. Or is culture a shopping trip now. Maybe that’s what’s wrong with her clothes, they’re “cultural”.
I work very hard to respect the freedom our veterans have helped to maintain for us and I for one would like to continue to be free. No socialism, no boloney! I take part in the process by holding local office, educating people on the truth and my husband is a teacher of American government. I call myself conservative because I fit the definition more closely than anything else. That does not mean however that I take marching orders from anyone. My conservative friends behave the same way. People take sides because there are sides to be taken.
I havn’t heard anyone talk about John Q Londoner who had no idea they wouldn’t be able to take that path home from work, or complete their shopping or whatever they had planned to do but were unable to because Michelle and the girls and grandma wanted fish and chips. Reminds me of Clinton holding up things at an airport while he got his hair cut.
God Bless America and God Save Us All!

June 22nd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
American Citizen
 52Reply to this comment  

God help us ALL. Such disgrace they are! WE THE PEOPLE see the light – and this is NOT the United States Of America we are EACH proud of – and we stand tall and AMERICAN’S are who have been ‘taken with him’ are now waking up also!! Some times it is difficult to come to realization when the reallize they have ‘hired the wrong person’ – but THIS FOR CERTAIN is the case for anyone who REALLY has intelligence! Some who are ‘give me-give me’ will never wake up until God forbid it be – that they or their parent needs health care and they don’t qualify because they are ‘too old’ or don’t fit the grove of qualifications!
May we NEVER see that occur! Call your senators / your congressman and the white house and tell them how you feel – and your opinions and how they need to be listening to you as they ‘work for us’!

June 23rd, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Tankersmom
 53Reply to this comment  

@DougBurlison: Are you a mind reader. Who said these comments were all written by the opposing part? I know many people whowere Dems, did not vote for this Socialist and many of those who did wish they hadn’t.
While you pose a maybe , what if question I will answer it . Yes I would have been just as angry.no matter who did it. It is totally uncalled for at this time with the country in such dire straits,

July 2nd, 2009 at 5:13 am
Notgnihsaw
 54Reply to this comment  

So….future stimulus packages for all Americans to travel to London and Paris to enrich our cultrual reach? We should ask for it.

July 2nd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
tec
 55Reply to this comment  

This is the resultant of a racist, liberal regime. Only a Fool would have voted for Obama and there are many so called Americans that are fools.

July 6th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Cheryl Adkins
 56Reply to this comment  

Last time I looked the First Lady and her daughters weren’t coming to ask for bailout money so I guess the admonition doesn’t apply. She is our President’s wife so of course she was given protection. What would you like her to do? Sit home and knit blankets for the homeless all day. Dress in rags? And never come out of the house? Get over yourselves. Obama is not to blame for this mess we are in and his wife and kids sure aren’t. 8 years of Bush. 2 wars and lack of oversight and plain downright greed on the part of corporate America caused the problem coupled with the spend, spend, spend gotta have it all in every color mentality of the American people. We helped screw our own selves and we let ourselves be brainwashed by the fear factor mentality of the last President and cronies. Quit blaming the Obama’s for this mess.

July 10th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Mike's America
 57Reply to this comment  

@Cheryl Adkins: Obama IS responsible for the mess we are in. He got everything he asked for in the stimulus bill and warned that unless he got it that unemployment would skyrocket. It skyrocked anyway.

Obama is mis-spending a trillion dollars. You’re right that what Queen Michelle spends to jet around the world at taxpayer expense is insignificant by comparison but it does illustrate perfectly what her attitude and that of her husband is towards the people who are suffering under the economic malaise THEY are creating.

You’re right… everyone who voted for Obama only ended up screwing themselves. Except now we are all f@#*$d.

July 10th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
MataHarley
 58Reply to this comment  

Cheryl Adkins: Get over yourselves. Obama is not to blame for this mess we are in and his wife and kids sure aren’t. 8 years of Bush. 2 wars and lack of oversight and plain downright greed on the part of corporate America caused the problem coupled with the spend, spend, spend gotta have it all in every color mentality of the American people. We helped screw our own selves and we let ourselves be brainwashed by the fear factor mentality of the last President and cronies. Quit blaming the Obama’s for this mess.

You don’t mind my saying so, but it’s dumb asses like yourself that are the reason we are in the mess we are in… picking people like career politicians in Congress (Barney Frank, Pelosi etal)… and then picking idiots like Obama to fix their obvious corruption and stupidity. Fox/hen house?

How about you get a grip and realize that the housing boom started in 1997-98. Ponder that for awhile.

July 10th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Cheryl Adkins
 59Reply to this comment  

Well I do’t think Obama was President then. Besides we sold we sold ourselves to China to pay for the Iraq War. I don’t think he was President then either. Of course being a “dumbass” as someone else called me I could have my dates confused.

July 11th, 2009 at 4:42 am
Missy
 60Reply to this comment  

Well, Mata and Mike. Cheryl Adkins is obviously as confused and clueless as the Obama’s. All are in over their heads and, unfortunately, don’t appear to realize it.

July 11th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Mike's America
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@Cheryl Adkins: Poor Cheryl. You’ve been had by Obama and you don’t even know it. You sipped the “Bush is to blame” Kool Aid and that’s when your brain stopped thinking.

I would remind you again that Obama promised he would FIX all our problems. And what happened?

He promised that if he got his way with the stimulus (and he did) that unemployment would stay below 8 %. Instead it skyrocketed.

From Obama’s own plan in January:

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Millions of Americans are now out of work in a depression made even worse by Obama’s inability to manage the economy.

What a shame that the adults like George Bush you blame for all our woes weren’t still in power. I doubt any of this would be happening.

Go have another sip of your Kool Aid Cheryl and let the adults get back to running the country.

July 11th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Cheryl Adkins
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Well I am not the one delusional enough to not realize that George and Cronies are the one who left this mess to be fixed to begin with. Perhaps your memory is faulty. But Obama is president not god or a miracle worker. He has no magic wand to wave to make the 8 years of bushanomics go away. It took 8 years to get here so why are you unrealistic enough to think it will go away in a few months?

July 11th, 2009 at 8:06 am
Cheryl Adkins
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Well the simple fact is Bush had 8 years and this is how he left us so what do you think? Do you honestly think that Barack Obama is responsible for the mess he inherited when he took office. Maybe you were brainwashed not me. but whoever was going to get into office this year thank god it wasn’t going to be george. and whoever it was was inheriting the mess he left. that is a fact koolaid or no. So say whatever you want about me. I heard it all when I protested the useless and unnecessary Iraq invasion.

July 11th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Mike's America
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@Cheryl Adkins: Eight years of growing prosperity under Bush ended because of the bust Democrats engineered in the Housing and financial markets. But even a delusional moonbat cannot deny that the average unemployment rate under Bush was near an all time record LOW and that the stock market reached new heights.

And now, Obama the wealth destroyer gets everything his own way and all you can do is blame Bush?

You need to open your eyes. And a good place to start would be to drop the dripping hate you have for President Bush. You are alive today in part due to him.

Get over it.

July 11th, 2009 at 9:14 am
MataHarley
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Cheryl: Well I do’t think Obama was President then. Besides we sold we sold ourselves to China to pay for the Iraq War. I don’t think he was President then either. Of course being a “dumbass” as someone else called me I could have my dates confused.

The above is the perfect example of why you fit the “dumb ass” category, Cheryl.

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So we sold our soul to China for 4.3% of the total GDP? Brilliant….

But I assure you, our souls are now for sale under the Eunuch in Chief, and his quest for the quintessential welfare state.

July 11th, 2009 at 9:16 am
MataHarley
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And in case you don’t like the Heritage Foundation, we’ll give you another lesson in spending from the liberal WaPo. Hint… see that big, tall line to the right? That’s government spending under President Obama from 2010 to 2020. All those little lines? The various wars, and NASA’s race to the moon.

View full size graph here

Reality’s a bitch, eh? Figured out what Congress, Barney Frank, Clinton’s Treasury department have to do with the housing boom yet?

July 11th, 2009 at 9:24 am
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This guy(OBUM) isn’t close to a leader,guess he didn’t know we have planes before coming to DC,just loves to ride and fly,playing god on our tax dollars,He doesn’t care about any U.S. people,he showing us that. Need this guy out of there,clean white house back up,which will take while and close book on this guy.

July 11th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Missy
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@MataHarley:

That chart has to be, gulp…..game over for Cheryl.

July 12th, 2009 at 12:54 am
Mike's America
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@Missy: It was game over for Cheryl before she started. Once she ran out of the talking points supplied to her by George Soros and friends she has nothing left to say.

Nothing she said had any spark of a sign of original thinking about it.

July 12th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Cheryl Adkins
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Well some of us live in the real world and have real lives so we have something better to do most of the time besides get on the internet to insult people and rewrite history. Besides since you all are still belaboring under the delusion that the Iraqi invasion was over weapons of mass destruction and that we borrowed billions from China to fund this invasion to look for them, what can I say to disillusion you? The fact is George was minding the store for 8 years. If you saw prosperity good for you but those of us living in the real world didn’t. Our jobs were outsourced, our ability to go to college was curtailed by financial aid cuts, and our husbands, wives, sons and daughters marched off to a useless invasion. And at the end of his time we were left with no retirement funds, gas so outrageous we could barely go to work, the housing market in a shambles, the automakers and banks on the verge of ruin. Well when you are the big cheese the s*** falls on you. He dropped the ball. He lied, cheated, and stole his way into office to begin with and he lied repeatedly to the American people. And yet he was allowed to stay. Worse than that a whole bunch of idiots voted him in for a second term. What more is there to say. Barack Obama or just about anyone except Sarah Palin couldn’t do much worse than that. But when you are dealing with a bunch of racist, elitist delusional brainwashed group you can’t expect much more than for them to complain. No matter what he and his family do, even if it’s right, even if it accomplishes the goal you people will still moan and groan.

July 12th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Aye Chihuahua
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@Cheryl Adkins:

Besides since you all are still belaboring under the delusion that the Iraqi invasion was over weapons of mass destruction and the we borrowed billions from China to fund this invasion to look for them what can I say to dissillusion you.

Ummm, Cheryl, you have no idea what that sentence means do you?

Heh.

Seems that your command of the English language is no stronger than your ability to analyze historical fact.

Then, you go on, for sheer entertainment value, to string together every Lefitst talking point squeezed out since 2000 into the remainder of your post.

Truly a stunning example of concentrated crazy.

Thanks for being someone we can point and laugh at.

July 12th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Cheryl Adkins
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Thank you for insulting my typing now. My command of the English language is just fine. Guess you couldn’t argue with what I had to say so you decided to redirect the conversation. Typical with people of your mindset.

Besides leftist or no, truth is still truth. It doesn’t change just because you find it inconvenient or choose not to believe it.

July 12th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Cheryl Adkins
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By the way I am getting ready to get on with my real life now so if I don’t respond don’t think it’s because you have gotten the better of me.

July 12th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
pdill
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Cheryl , it’s hard to believe we were both living in the same country! The way I remember it, as well as the objective facts, is this:

1. Bush inherited Clinton’s recession (FACT)

2. Despite a 911 attack, the stock market and economy under Bush soared to all time records for 6 years straight. Regardless of the fact that homes rose to overinflated values (with many thanks to “Fanny and Freddie”), I bought a house when Bush took office and sold right before he left office with an enormous “profit” for doing nothing more than buying at the “right time.” I’m quite sure never again in my life time will I have the opportunity to makes such easy and tax free money.

3. You must have been the only one living in hardship while the rest of the county saw HUGH gains in their 401K’s and home values. The unemployment was lower than the Clinton years.

4. The only reason it ended after 6 years is because the dems took over congress. That was the genesis of all bad things that followed up and until our current train wreck.

You make accusations of racism without a shred of evidence. For all that anyone might want to accuse Bush of; no reasonable person could ever make a realistic accusation of racism. That however, can’t be said for your party who so far has wiped out half of the American Negro population by genocide (abortion). LOOK IT UP! Do you think it’s just a “coincidence” that most Planned Parent clinics are in black neighborhoods?

I would also be interested in knowing what job/skill sets you lost to outsourcing that were so unique you are unable to recover. Why don’t you give us some examples Cheryl?

In the meantime, I suggest you “buckle up”, because if you thought the world sucked under Bush, hang on the for cliff Obama is about to throw you over. Hopefully you will get over you “victimhood” and realize that who you really hate is more than likely yourself and your own self-loathing party.

Lastly Cheryl, know this: Obama is NOT going to save you! Only you can do that.

July 12th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Missy
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@Cheryl Adkins:

We all have real lives so knock off the condescending attitude, many before you have pulled that nonsense and it doesn’t cut it here.

You aren’t here to debate, you are here to spread the same old talking points we’ve all heard regurgitated many times, the fine hosts of Flopping Aces are tired of having to correct the ill informed every two or three days, you would be in the ill informed category.

Spend some time in the archives, look at the amount of work and research these people have done, take the initiative to inform yourself of the facts, not spin or talking points. Read the topics, hopefully you will recover from your embarassment.

July 12th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Cheryl Adkins
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Guess you weren’t invested in the stock market last year. I am not expecting Obama to save me. But I guess if all the crap thats gone on in the last few years hasn’t hurt you then he can’t “hurt” you either. Besides I don’t need saving. I have no 401 K or retirement to worry about so I really lost very little. But I know people who lost a great deal. My husband came out of the military 10 years ago so no problem there either. But others have lost loved ones. Maybe if you would take your head out of the sand long enough to take a look around at the rest of the world who aren’t you or who aren’t as fortunate or smart or gifted as you you might learn a great deal. We all don’t live in nice houses with wonderful paying jobs. Some of us are homeless. Some of don’t have jobs. Some of us live on minumum wage and are single parents.
None of that got any better under the last regime. So excuse me if I do not think that George Bush was the greatest President ever. I never said that I thought Obama was either. But at least he’s not Bush. My point is that you people refuse to even give him a chance. Because he wasn’t who you wanted you automatically condemn and criticise every move he makes before you even know if it will work. It wasn’t how you would have done it so it must be wrong. I, at least, gave George a chance after he stole the election. But he ruined when he invaded Iraq and used fear mongering and lies to do it.

July 12th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Mike's America
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@Cheryl Adkins: said EARLIER

And yet, here you are again mouthing more George Soros talking points like some demented left wing parrot.

I’d suggest you try viewing more of the offerings on this blog in hopes that some fresh material might dislodge one of the remaining brain cells in your head capable of original thought but I realize that would be asking too much.

You are so filled with nothing but anger and bitterness and why? Your guy won. ALL your guys won. You should be the happiest little socialist on the planet yet here you are continuing to spew the same bile we have had to put up with for more than eight years.

Get some new material Cheryl. You started to bore me with this Bush hating crap a long time ago.

July 12th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
MataHarley
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WTF? Cheryl wanders in here, whines about selling our souls to China for 4.3% of the entire GDP for an eight year war that hadn’t even gone on for six full years when Bush left office. Bet she hasn’t got an idea of how many years the Iraqis have had a permanent government in place, either.

And of course, never once does she address that’s not even a thimble full of what Obama has spent in six months. In fact, from the looks of it, you can add up every war in that graphic and it still pales to Obama’s spending… even via WaPo standards.

Cat got your tongue on that stuff? Or are facts foreign to your somewhat limited vocabulary, Cheryl?

And according to the story she wove, I have to wonder just what was her supposed ex military husband doing when she was theoretically protesting in the streets about Iraq when his buddies and friends may still be there? Granted… the real or imagined “he/hubby” served to preserve that she had that exact right. But I guess I’m cut from a different cloth. As a Vietnam wife, I never once dreamed of taking any negative feelings to the street – harpooning my friends, who were still on the battlefield, in the back.

Different values, I guess.

In response to hard facts, she throws out the predictable “touchy feelly” talking points crap about being an ex military wife, and slings what victim “poor me” mud she can think of. Whining about how bad *we* are on history and can’t refute truth… suggests we all live in mansions and that she and others have a monopoly on hard times and poverty. (Oh, but she hasn’t lost any money in this recession/depression). She then stomps her foot about being abused and a victim… makes a drama queen finale exit… only to show up a little over an hour later.

damn… small favors are not coming our way, I guess.

Clue to the clueless…. I sincerely doubt anyone on this forum has a trust fund to live off of. In fact, I’m quite sure that all of us work for a living…. save Real American Patriot, or CRAP as we call him. He lives off the taxpayer on government extended unemployment because he thinks it was created to be there so he doesn’t have to take a lesser paying job. He’ll just wait for that “packaging” industry to return from overseas before he starts working again. Must remind him not to get a job as a Montana miner….

All I can say is… is this the cream of the Obama cyber hit squad crop??? OMG…. more fish in a barrel to shot. And dang… do they need a new script or what?

Kudos to you all who gave her an exhale of time and valuable oxygen. Personally all I can say is ta ta, au revoir, and vamoose, Cheryl. This is a new low in discourse I personally can’t find any interest in engaging. And frankly, there’s too many “catch all” phrases that strike me as she “doth protest too much” take as genuine. She’s offers a sob story and accusations as “personal defense” in lieu of debate with facts. Not worth the time….

July 12th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Aye Chihuahua
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@Cheryl Adkins:

Thank you for insulting my typing now. My command of the English language is just fine.

Actually, no, I wasn’t insulting your typing. It’s your miniscule intelligence, and your resulting failure to be able to wield the English language in an effective, cogent manner that has drawn a target on your chest.

Guess you couldn’t argue with what I had to say so you decided to redirect the conversation.

Actually, I can refute every single talking point that you chose to bescumber this thread with.

I had some things to take care of that were more worthy of my time than you Cheryl. That’s why I had to wait until later to dissemble you. I see that you have been back here several more times scattering your droppings about since I was last here.

Typical with people of your mindset.

Nice stereotyping.

What “mindset” is that precisely? What do you know about me or my “mindset” oh, Wise One?

Besides leftist or no, truth is still truth. It doesn’t change just because you find it inconvenient or choose not to believe it.

You’re right. The truth is the truth is the truth. No matter how much you may wish to deny it.

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Now, let’s get to the good part shall we?

For those keeping score at home, we are now going to look at Cheryl’s post #70 which is, without a doubt, today’s Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. (Sorry Cheryl, there is no prize for you….the rest of us get laughter.) Heh.

Here’s what dear Cheryl gave us:

Well some of us live in the real world and have real lives so we have something better to do most of the time besides get on the internet to insult people and rewrite history.

All of us have lives away from the Internet Cheryl. Not just you, so lose the high’n'mighty tude and you just might learn something.

As to insults and history revision, two words.

Pot. Kettle.

Besides since you all are still belaboring under the delusion that the Iraqi invasion was over weapons of mass destruction and that we borrowed billions from China to fund this invasion to look for them, what can I say to disillusion you?

There’s that problematic sentence again Cheryl. Obviously, as I said earlier, you wrote it and you don’t even know what it means.

I find that hysterical.

I will give you a hint….it doesn’t mean what you think it means.

The fact is George was minding the store for 8 years. If you saw prosperity good for you but those of us living in the real world didn’t. Our jobs were outsourced

Talk to me about how the stock market did over those eight years Cheryl.

Tell me about unemployment levels. Talk to me about what jobs were outsourced. That’s such a convenient talking point to fall back on. Where are your facts and figures on that?

Of course you probably don’t want to admit that unemployment was lower under Bush than it was under Clinton. Nor do you likely want to admit that unemployment under Obama is now higher than it has been in a quarter century.

Talk about a set of inconvenient facts!

…our ability to go to college was curtailed by financial aid cuts…

Really?

Where are your facts and figures to support that argument?

As a bonus question, can you show me in the US Constitution where it is the taxpayer’s responsibility to give anyone money to go to college?

…our husbands, wives, sons and daughters marched off to a useless invasion.

Yes, we went to war under George Bush. Two very justifiable, much needed military engagements. I guess your perspective is different because you just don’t give a damn whether more of your fellow citizens died from our continued inaction.

I wonder Cheryl, would you have opposed our military action against Germany?

And at the end of his time we were left with no retirement funds

The only reason you would have been left with no retirement funds is if you had not been paying attention and wisely managing your investments.

If you were paying attention, as I was, you would have moved your money into safer arenas.

…gas so outrageous we could barely go to work…

Gas prices go up and down according to supply and demand. The president has virtually no bearing on those prices. Congress, on the other hand, plays a great role. That body, after all, controls taxation, regulatory policy, energy policy, and of course, they can opt to relax or restrict off-shore drilling.

It’s interesting that in the days leading up to the last election Congress was in a scurry to open up the off shore areas of our coastlines….then suddenly, once the election was over, they quickly put those restrictions right back in place.

Why is that Cheryl?

Another bonus question for you: Just prior to the 2006 election in which the Dims took control of Congress, Nancy Pelosi promised that she had a plan to reduce gas prices….Where is that plan, Cheryl?

It’s been two and a half years plus, it seems that she should have released it by now.

the housing market in a shambles

The housing market issues began when Cheryl? Can you tell me?

Ever hear of the CRA? Can you tell me who was president when it passed and what effect it had?

Cheryl, can you name one of the attorneys who sued CitiBank, forcing them to give more loans to unqualified borrowers?

…the automakers and banks on the verge of ruin.

The auto industry is, without question, a difficult one.

I can tell you that government interference, regulation, and taxation play a pivotal role in what is going on in the that industry now.

In addition to the government, the car companies face legacy costs and union restrictions that foreign automakers do not.

Furthermore, cumbersome environmental policies force car companies to make cars that consumers don’t want.

Combine all of those issues together and you have what we are seeing now.

Well when you are the big cheese the s*** falls on you.

Yes, it’s always easy to cast the blame on the guy living in the White House isn’t it?

Reality, fact, and history don’t prove out those easy conclusions.

He lied, cheated, and stole his way into office to begin with

Another of my favorite Lefty talking points.

Can you tell me Cheryl, how many media organizations recounted the ballots from the election in Florida?

How many of those media organizations came up with a different result?

…and he lied repeatedly to the American people.

Well, isn’t that precious….Cheryl is one of the “Bush lied” crowd.

What, precisely, did he lie about Cheryl?

Be careful now, before you wade out too deep into that alligator infested swamp. This board is chock full of a plethora of knowledgeable authors and commenters on this subject.

The archives are also full of massive volumes of research.

Do please, tell us though, what did Bush “lie” about?

Worse than that a whole bunch of idiots voted him in for a second term.

I am proud to say that I cast my vote for George Bush, not once, but twice.

Bush was better on his worst day than Gore and Kerry combined.

Barack Obama or just about anyone except Sarah Palin couldn’t do much worse than that.

Oh, isn’t that cute? She got her obligatory bash Palin comment in there.

Another bonus question Cheryl: If Palin is so inadequate, so dumb, so incapable….then why does the Left fear her so?

But when you are dealing with a bunch of racist, elitist delusional brainwashed group you can’t expect much more than for them to complain.

Who are you calling racist, elitist, delusional, and brainwashed?

With the exception of the racist part, you’ve earned all of those labels here.

Projection much?

No matter what he and his family do, even if it’s right, even if it accomplishes the goal you people will still moan and groan.

Actually, no.

If Obie makes a decent decision we give him credit where that credit is due.

So far those occasions have been very limited.

July 12th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Taxed enough
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@ Cheryl Adkins I’m glad to see Aye Chihuahua mentioned congress. Cheryl, do you know anything about government or are you as others are saying here, just a liberal hack that goes around spewing the same rhetoric over and over. Here’s a little lesson. Our system of government has a system of checks and balances. The Legislative branch can check the President if there is a problem and the veto power he has can keep them from going too far as well. The Judicial branch is there to keep the laws that the Legislators pass within the boundaries of the constitution and protect the people from tyranny. So if you are so disgruntled with the Bush years, my dear, there should be plenty of blame to go around.

Kudos to your husband for serving in the military. My grandfather served at the Battle of the Bulge, was one of the lucky ones to make it home. My husband’s grandfather wasn’t so lucky on Iwo Jima. My father volunteered his service in Viet Nam as well as several of my most respected friends. These people made it possible for you to be a liberal. There are few places in the world, especially the middle east, where a woman can speak her mind as you have. Thanks in part to our work in Iraq the people there have the chance to become a free or at least freeer society. Things take time and blood is unfortunately shed. Look at the history of this country if you want to see some astounding casualty numbers. My brother-in law just volunteered to go in a third time to help the cause over there. Over there should be emphasized. I’d much rather have this war over there than here where the terrorists would like to have kept it.

As far as Obama goes, I live in Illinois and I can tell you that he was not shining star here. He made very little impact here in his home district. He also has had his hands in plenty of crooked looking deals over the years. The media tells you what they want you to know not necessarily the whole truth. I’d love to give the guy a chance. He’s in! Here’s his chance. What has he chosen to do with it? Going around the worlds apologizing for America is not a good place to start with me. Siding with the likes of Hugo Chavez and Castro over this Honduras deal has also left me with a bad taste in my mouth. Presidents have to make hard decisions for the country as a whole with little to no regard to who’s saying what about him personally. The fringe groups should not rule the majority either.

I challenge you Cheryl and any other liberal perusing this blog to take an OBJECTIVE look as this president and this Congress. It’s not about the party winning, it should be about the country winning for all of us. If they are so great, then show us, do something that makes us all sit up and listen!

July 13th, 2009 at 7:46 am
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In regards to Michelle and the kids flying around the world with expenses paid by the US taxpayer – I think it’s a bit hypocritical of Obama to do this when he expects other leaders (in industry) to tighthen their belts and SET AN EXAMPLE.

July 14th, 2009 at 4:59 am

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