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	<title>Comments on: NASA Still Hiding Correlation Between Solar Activity &amp; Temperature [Reader Post]</title>
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		<title>By: ditto</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/03/nasa-still-hiding-correlation-between-solar-activity-temperature-reader-post/#comment-210134</link>
		<dc:creator>ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 11:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thunk it was the sun, The only logical formula that makes sense.We know that sunflare and sunspot activity has been inactual stormwind forces,these violent plumes stormsand the resultsis thatthese explosions speadand th heat in transferredinto the atmosphere</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thunk it was the sun, The only logical formula that makes sense.We know that sunflare and sunspot activity has been inactual stormwind forces,these violent plumes stormsand the resultsis thatthese explosions speadand th heat in transferredinto the atmosphere</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/03/nasa-still-hiding-correlation-between-solar-activity-temperature-reader-post/#comment-209059</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-209033&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aqua&lt;/a&gt;: Glad to hear Lake Lanier is filling up again. I have an Aunt and Uncle living over there and their dock has been on dry land for a while. 

Of course you know if it keeps raining the envirozealots will blame that on global warming too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-209033" rel="nofollow">Aqua</a>: Glad to hear Lake Lanier is filling up again. I have an Aunt and Uncle living over there and their dock has been on dry land for a while. </p>
<p>Of course you know if it keeps raining the envirozealots will blame that on global warming too!</p>
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		<title>By: Aqua</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/03/nasa-still-hiding-correlation-between-solar-activity-temperature-reader-post/#comment-209033</link>
		<dc:creator>Aqua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;@ Alec Rawls&lt;/a&gt;

It was a great read. You had great research. I like staying informed, especially when I&#039;m being lied to by people like AlGore. I have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.solarcycle24.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; web site book marked so I can take a peek at the solar happenings myself. Sunspot 1019 is pretty nice, but so far it&#039;s kinda quiet.

It&#039;s funny, I live in the south, Georgia to be precise. It has rained like crazy this year. Lake Lanier is almost full again. People say they&#039;ve never seen it rain like this. I have. When I was younger, thunderstorms rolled through almost every afternoon. I believe our weather is cyclical, always has been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a>@ Alec Rawls</a></p>
<p>It was a great read. You had great research. I like staying informed, especially when I&#8217;m being lied to by people like AlGore. I have <a href="http://www.solarcycle24.com/" rel="nofollow">this</a> web site book marked so I can take a peek at the solar happenings myself. Sunspot 1019 is pretty nice, but so far it&#8217;s kinda quiet.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny, I live in the south, Georgia to be precise. It has rained like crazy this year. Lake Lanier is almost full again. People say they&#8217;ve never seen it rain like this. I have. When I was younger, thunderstorms rolled through almost every afternoon. I believe our weather is cyclical, always has been.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Rawls</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/03/nasa-still-hiding-correlation-between-solar-activity-temperature-reader-post/#comment-209028</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec Rawls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Whoud&#039;a thunk it?&quot; Good question. The history of who thunk that sunspot activity could affect temperature is very long and very interesting. The sunspot-temperature correlation was widely thunk in the 1800&#039;s. 

Galileo first started plotting sunspot appearances in 1612. Thus folks in the 1800&#039;s knew that the Little Ice Age corresponded to a period of few sunspots and they assumed that the connection was causal. 

Only later was the &quot;solar constant&quot; discovered: the fact that the sun’s total energy output does not change significantly with fluctuations in solar activity. That led to a drop-off in thinking that sunspots mattered, but the 1800&#039;s was kind of a golden-age for investigation of the sunspot-climate link. 

This was actually pursued through the science of economics. There were no available temperature records, but in 1801 an astronomer named Herschel theorized that if an active sun meant extra heat, the wheat harvests would be large when solar activity was up, which would drive wheat prices down, and they DID have wheat price records. 

These were the first econometric studies ever done. They confirmed that wheat prices did indeed tend to be low when solar activity was high, and high when solar activity was low. 

Eventually scientists realized that sunspots were a magnetic phenomenon, so that while the sun’s energy output remained almost constant, there was still an avenue by which solar activity could conceivably affect global temperature. Fluctuations sunspot activity actually coincide with huge changes in the solar-magnetic flux, which might somehow affect our climate, though no one knew by what mechanism the solar wind might be affecting temperature. 

We now have a solid theory of how that mechanism works: Henrik Svensmark’s theory that by ionizing the atmosphere, Galactic Cosmic Radiation seeds clouds formation. When the solar wind blows the GCR away, it in-effect blows the clouds away, giving the earth a sunburn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whoud&#8217;a thunk it?&#8221; Good question. The history of who thunk that sunspot activity could affect temperature is very long and very interesting. The sunspot-temperature correlation was widely thunk in the 1800&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Galileo first started plotting sunspot appearances in 1612. Thus folks in the 1800&#8217;s knew that the Little Ice Age corresponded to a period of few sunspots and they assumed that the connection was causal. </p>
<p>Only later was the &#8220;solar constant&#8221; discovered: the fact that the sun’s total energy output does not change significantly with fluctuations in solar activity. That led to a drop-off in thinking that sunspots mattered, but the 1800&#8217;s was kind of a golden-age for investigation of the sunspot-climate link. </p>
<p>This was actually pursued through the science of economics. There were no available temperature records, but in 1801 an astronomer named Herschel theorized that if an active sun meant extra heat, the wheat harvests would be large when solar activity was up, which would drive wheat prices down, and they DID have wheat price records. </p>
<p>These were the first econometric studies ever done. They confirmed that wheat prices did indeed tend to be low when solar activity was high, and high when solar activity was low. </p>
<p>Eventually scientists realized that sunspots were a magnetic phenomenon, so that while the sun’s energy output remained almost constant, there was still an avenue by which solar activity could conceivably affect global temperature. Fluctuations sunspot activity actually coincide with huge changes in the solar-magnetic flux, which might somehow affect our climate, though no one knew by what mechanism the solar wind might be affecting temperature. </p>
<p>We now have a solid theory of how that mechanism works: Henrik Svensmark’s theory that by ionizing the atmosphere, Galactic Cosmic Radiation seeds clouds formation. When the solar wind blows the GCR away, it in-effect blows the clouds away, giving the earth a sunburn.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawk</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/03/nasa-still-hiding-correlation-between-solar-activity-temperature-reader-post/#comment-208992</link>
		<dc:creator>Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At some point along the way with all the &quot;GLO-BULL&quot; warming, some other report came out that stated that temperatures on MARS were also being affected.

Yes, I know other factors could be at play on mars but one of those factors is NOT HUMANS nor LIFE(as we know it) for that matter.

I am not against being REASONABLY environmentally responsible and cleaning up where we can instead of doing what we used to do (i.e. just dumping tons of chemicals in local rivers, lakes, etc)

BUT to sit and blame this trend SOLELY on human activity is just ludicrous. It doesn&#039;t take a genius to realize that solar flares/solar activity can affect temperatures here on earth.

It only takes standing next to a campfire and having someone add a log to it to figure that out.
Or ... maybe the gloBULL warming fruitcakes are right - maybe the campfire just seems warming because Susie the soccer mom start up her SUV in the parking lot ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At some point along the way with all the &#8220;GLO-BULL&#8221; warming, some other report came out that stated that temperatures on MARS were also being affected.</p>
<p>Yes, I know other factors could be at play on mars but one of those factors is NOT HUMANS nor LIFE(as we know it) for that matter.</p>
<p>I am not against being REASONABLY environmentally responsible and cleaning up where we can instead of doing what we used to do (i.e. just dumping tons of chemicals in local rivers, lakes, etc)</p>
<p>BUT to sit and blame this trend SOLELY on human activity is just ludicrous. It doesn&#8217;t take a genius to realize that solar flares/solar activity can affect temperatures here on earth.</p>
<p>It only takes standing next to a campfire and having someone add a log to it to figure that out.<br />
Or &#8230; maybe the gloBULL warming fruitcakes are right &#8211; maybe the campfire just seems warming because Susie the soccer mom start up her SUV in the parking lot <img src='http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/03/nasa-still-hiding-correlation-between-solar-activity-temperature-reader-post/#comment-208991</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This chart should be on the front page of every newspaper in the country:

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FOS%20Essay/GlobalTroposphereTemperaturesAverage.jpg&quot;/&gt;

We&#039;ve long said that CO2 is NOT the driver behind global warming. So, WHY OH WHY should be embark on  a cap and trade program that will cost trillions of dollars?

Surely not to save the planet so there must be some other reason Obama and the Dems want to do it.

What could that reason be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This chart should be on the front page of every newspaper in the country:</p>
<p><img src="http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FOS%20Essay/GlobalTroposphereTemperaturesAverage.jpg"/></p>
<p>We&#8217;ve long said that CO2 is NOT the driver behind global warming. So, WHY OH WHY should be embark on  a cap and trade program that will cost trillions of dollars?</p>
<p>Surely not to save the planet so there must be some other reason Obama and the Dems want to do it.</p>
<p>What could that reason be?</p>
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		<title>By: physics geek</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/03/nasa-still-hiding-correlation-between-solar-activity-temperature-reader-post/#comment-208976</link>
		<dc:creator>physics geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global temperatures are changing, huh? It would take something massive to do such a thing, something on the order of magnitude of our sun. [/snark]

Actually, someone snarked this or something like it at Ace&#039;s place some months back, but it&#039;s still appropriate now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global temperatures are changing, huh? It would take something massive to do such a thing, something on the order of magnitude of our sun. [/snark]</p>
<p>Actually, someone snarked this or something like it at Ace&#8217;s place some months back, but it&#8217;s still appropriate now.</p>
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		<title>By: The Monster</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The record shows 90K year ice ages and 10K year interglacials.  The temperatures go up or down, and then CO2 follows ~800y later.  CO2 is at its highest when the temperature has been falling for centuries, and at its lowest when it has been rising for centuries.  I can understand the &quot;post hoc, ergo propter hoc&#039; fallacy (A happened before B, therefore A caused B).  I can&#039;t begin to grasp the &quot;pre hoc ergo propter hoc&#039; idea that rising CO2 can cause a temperature rise centuries before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The record shows 90K year ice ages and 10K year interglacials.  The temperatures go up or down, and then CO2 follows ~800y later.  CO2 is at its highest when the temperature has been falling for centuries, and at its lowest when it has been rising for centuries.  I can understand the &#8220;post hoc, ergo propter hoc&#8217; fallacy (A happened before B, therefore A caused B).  I can&#8217;t begin to grasp the &#8220;pre hoc ergo propter hoc&#8217; idea that rising CO2 can cause a temperature rise centuries before.</p>
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		<title>By: eaglewingz08</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/03/nasa-still-hiding-correlation-between-solar-activity-temperature-reader-post/#comment-208966</link>
		<dc:creator>eaglewingz08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy talk about your anti science conservative rant, asking the public believe there is any relationship between that vestigial yellow object in the sky and our weather and temperatures. Pure witchcraft. Everyone knows that man is the root of all evil in the world, and western man is the king of the devils.  Trying to pass blame for the climate on the harmless sun, is just despicable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy talk about your anti science conservative rant, asking the public believe there is any relationship between that vestigial yellow object in the sky and our weather and temperatures. Pure witchcraft. Everyone knows that man is the root of all evil in the world, and western man is the king of the devils.  Trying to pass blame for the climate on the harmless sun, is just despicable.</p>
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		<title>By: Aqua</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/03/nasa-still-hiding-correlation-between-solar-activity-temperature-reader-post/#comment-208940</link>
		<dc:creator>Aqua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what you&#039;re saying is that there is a relationship between the Earth&#039;s temperature and the Sun. Hmmmm, who woulda thunk it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what you&#8217;re saying is that there is a relationship between the Earth&#8217;s temperature and the Sun. Hmmmm, who woulda thunk it?</p>
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		<title>By: Unbiased Science in the Age of Obama [Dan Collins]</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/06/03/nasa-still-hiding-correlation-between-solar-activity-temperature-reader-post/#comment-208921</link>
		<dc:creator>Unbiased Science in the Age of Obama [Dan Collins]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article about what NASA and other agencies aren&#8217;t telling us about the correlation between solar activity and climate change.   Posted by Dan Collins @ 7:25 am &#124; Trackback SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &quot;Unbiased Science in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] article about what NASA and other agencies aren&#8217;t telling us about the correlation between solar activity and climate change.   Posted by Dan Collins @ 7:25 am | Trackback SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &#8220;Unbiased Science in the [...]</p>
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