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WHAT DO WE EXPECT FROM A MAN WHO’S MISSION IS TO DESTROY AMERICA, AND SERVE HER CORPSE TO THE WORLD TO GLORIFY HIMSELF?
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/04/obama-signs-bills-and-creates-new-laws.html

This guy is anathema to American principles. I’m beginning to believe that he really thinks he’s a god, how many me’s and I’s were in his speech, and remember in his acceptance speech, no one was on stage with him.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Obama

Maybe he doesn’t want to publish because he thinks the evidence that we saved any lives by torturing is so thin that it would generate momentum to put Cheney on trial for war crimes, and that’s a place America doesn’t want to go. Can you imagine, Cheney in Milosovics old cell at the Hague? That would be a step down the road to civil war.

Bush just bought America some time. Trials based on less than all available evidence are not a judicial procedure. They are Show Trials as the outcome is prejudged before they are convened.

The Hague is not a proper venue for an American issue. This is all hype and vindictive political action at this point. Obama & Holder would love to see the Hague do their dirty work based upon less than complete evidence.

If this happens it will indeed carry ugly consequences for Obama & his merry band.

Mike said: “All I can say is THANK GOD FOR PRESIDENT BUSH! He so decimated Al Queda’s ability to attack the U.S. that it might even save us from the inexperienced, naive and foolish Obama!”

If Bush “so decimated Al Queda’s ability to attack the U.S.” this was after 911 happened. The worst attack on our country’s soil happened on Bush’s watch.
If Bush owns the glory of keeping us safe, he surely owns some responsibility of 911 happening on his watch.

If Bush owns the glory of keeping us safe, he surely owns some responsibility of 911 happening on his watch.

That’s why we had the 911 Commission-to show us all the reasons it happened, to see if it was JUST Bush’s fault, or if there was a problem with the systems designed to protect us. Political partisans chose to blame Bush (ergo, remove Bush/remove the problem/we’re all safe and happy). Others saw past that lack of patriotism, read the report, and supported reforms in our intelligence community…reforms that President Obama is now destroying.

Funny How about all those right wing what was it they call us?

OOPs was wrong they are lefties pictures worth a 1000 words.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5256354/May-Day-demonstrators-riot-in-Germany-and-Turkey.html

May Day demonstrations turned violent in Germany and Turkey, as protesters clashed with police after riots erupted.

OOPS
In Turkey, masked protesters threw stones and Molotov cocktails at the police in central Istanbul, smashing banks and supermarket windows

In all, several thousand union and Left-wing activists took part in the annual protest, chanting “long live the revolution and socialism”.

SO MAYBE growing your own food might not be so crazy after all or having lots of ammo aint a bad either.
Whats that they say a gun in hand is better than 2 cops on the phone.

Catherine

Mooseburger:
Read Clintons Feb. 17, 1998 remarks to pentagon staff. Found at google.

After that you may want to check out how many times US was attacked under Clinton. I think 8 Times. World trade Center in 93 included. CLinton states , “someone made a really bad decision, don’t panic , the law will take care of it, BS. Media kept it minimized . Only 6 died, 8 lower floors taken out.

Then face the fact that all of Clintons intel staff had been in place when bush took office and during the attacks of 9-11. Bush got in late and had not even set his people in place yet. So not a good argument there for you to make is it.

Tenant was the main intel guy , he was not at fault on his own, read about Jamie Gorlick and Janet Renos’ “procedural Wall”. the intel guys called it a job ender. All intel departments could not share actionable intel, because it would interfere with court cases. Court cases. So we were blind for many years, laughed at because we threatened terrorist with law suits. we get 9-11.

Ignorance is Biss with the libs. Which is what Lib leaders want for us all.

Scot said: “Political partisans chose to blame Bush (ergo, remove Bush/remove the problem/we’re all safe and happy). Others saw past that lack of patriotism, read the report, and supported reforms in our intelligence community…reforms that President Obama is now destroying.”

Blaming Bush and saying Bush owns some of the responsibility are two different things.
Blaming Bush would be saying that Bush was the cause of 911, nobody I know of is saying that about him except the Alex Jones conspiracy crowd.

Saying Bush owns some responsibility is no different than how any president gets to be the goat in the eyes of his detractors, just like some here feel about Obama right now. Only Obama hasn’t had 3000 Americans killed in an attack on our soil, only Bush has that modern distinction. Yeah he kept us safe after 911, but he was the man in charge when 911 happened.

As for partisan political blaming, wow, that cuts both ways don’t you think?

I totally-TOTALLY agree that President Bush owns a great deal of the responsibility for the 911 attacks. In fact, I said so in my 2003 book, Iraq’s Smoking Gun (pen name of Sam Pender). I disagree, however, with the idea that only a few nutjobs see it as “some” of Bush’s fault. Fahrenheit 911 made hundreds of millions of dollars as have been many other Blame Bush films. It’s not just Alex Jones kooks. It’s Koskooks and the like as well (those people will believe ANYTHING that blames Bush!).

Would he have bowed to this guy too??

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6201333.ece
May 1, 2009
The 45-minute tape shows a man that the Government of Abu Dhabi has acknowledged is Sheikh Issa bin Zayed al-Nahyan — one of 22 royal brothers of the UAE President and Abu Dhabi Crown Prince — mercilessly and repeatedly beating a man with a cattle prod and a nailed board, burning his genitals and driving his Mercedes over him several times. He is assisted by a uniformed policeman.

[real torture not bugs in a sleeping bag]

Jim McGovern, the Democratic co-chairman of the congressional Human Rights Commission, viewed the tape last week and told The Times that it was “one of the most horrific things I have ever seen in my life”. In the tape the sheikh is seen torturing an Afghan grain salesman he claims has cheated him.

[now I’m sure he has seen the tapes from GETMO]

The UAE is one of Iran’s biggest trading partners, and security checks at its ports are lax, prompting worries about the leakage of nuclear technology to Tehran.

OH MY nothing likr the real thing could this be who and what country was talking about?
Thought that flu was stronger than it is>

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/iran_america_zionists/2009/04/30/209386.html
Ahmadinejad: America on ‘Verge of Death’
April 30, 2009
In the interview, broadcast on IRINN –TV on April 22, Ahmadinejad
“I felt very sorry for him, so I put my hand on his shoulder, and said: ‘Dear sir, don’t be so afraid of America. Don’t be afraid of those Zionists. They are on the verge of death

OH MY

Catherine

“Only Obama hasn’t had 3000 Americans killed in an attack on our soil”…..YET.

Do you believe that a neutered CIA will even see the next one coming?

@mynameis: So you think Cheney requested those memos to be released so he could be charged with war crimes? Come on! Your comment is sooo lame!

Don’t be silly. If we’re attacked again it will be attributed to the rage caused by Bush and his torture of those loveable terrorists! (Er, that is, those perpetrators of man made disasters.)

@Catherine:

Speaking of our “friend,” Abu Dhabi…

Remember how Bush wanted to give control of US ports (and their security) to a Dubai firm (really operated by Abu Dhabi)?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11517474/
“Dubai Ports World is effectively controlled by the government in Abu Dhabi.”
He couldn’t see any problem with that. He gave Democrats the high ground when they were able to quite rightly oppose him on that foolish idea.

Bush may have been a whole lot better than B. HUSSEIN O’Cipher, but he was clueless enough on plenty of important issues, like immigration just to mention just one other.

But that’s not to be construed as a defense of Hussein O, because his policies are indefensible. All I’m saying is that Bush was no Conservative hero, though I do strongly disagree with Scott that Bush had any significant responsibility for 9/11. I’ve never seen ANY evidence that supports that. Of all the “issues” I have with the man , that is not one of ’em (especially since that idiot, Gore, distracted him from making preparations for entering office by trying to steal the election while accusing Bush of same).

Things that IMO are Bush’s fault:

*Failure to conduct Military Tribunals ASAP
*Failure to act on classic signs of an insurgency in Iraq
*Failure to pursue Taliban/Al Q aggressively
*Diplomatic failures in dealing with Pakistan
*Diplomatic failure in getting NATO on board in the Stans, early
*Failure to get the Eastern Europe Missile Defense Shield up, early
*Wasting tax dollars on Africa for things Africans should have cared for(Malaria, HIV)
*Trusting the UN to accomplish anything, re: Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, N. Korea
*Allowing Earmarks in every piece of Legislation
*Not putting America on a Total War footing after 911
*Allowing Rumsfeld to head DOD after he proved to be incompetent

Now, after 28 years in the Military and 3 Wars, I am now Retired. I can speak out.
We warned DOD that Iraq was going badly and the Rumsfeld DOD never listened.
After tours in Afghanistan & Iraq, I saw the problems and so did other Career Military Officers.

As our Military is Commanded by Career Bureaucrats (Civilians) and the Temporary resident of
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, a Politician, Congress that is by and large not experts in anything but spending tax dollars, mistakes are made. Obama & his merry band are more ignorant than the past administration and less likely to listen to Military Professionals with no political ambitions.

Actionable intelligence gained by “extreme measures” that are no more harmful than Frat House pranks hazing and yielded results. I was SERE trained many years ago and was told that our Enemies observe no Geneva Convention rules and to expect worse treatment if captured.

So, lets knock off the BS about a moral high ground that does not exist in wars. Unless you have been to one, it is all high minded speculation and crap. There is no Sunday School version
of effective interrogation. Our current foes consider torture to be amusement.

Sorry for the length of my posting but I feel that we are dealing with PC separate realities here.
The Mosques & Islamic Clerics create Terrorists in their schools. We did not by any actions. They view mercy as a weakness to be exploited.

As Infidels your options are:

*Resist successfully and defeat them
*Convert
*Die
I have spent 12 years in the Middle East and learned that.
Obama has his head up his backside on Islam.

@Old Trooper:

I agree with a large portion of what you had to say regarding Bush.

I disagree, however, with Scott’s contention that Bush bears a large portion of responsibility regarding the 9/11 attacks.

I hope that Scott will elaborate on what he meant when he posted that comment.

@Old Trooper:

“Obama has his head up his backside on Islam.”

As did Bush who foolishly said “Islam is a religion of peace” while speaking in a mosque where they taught that the CIA perpetrated 9/11, and can’t see them for the demons they are.

Nice list, btw, though in Bush’s defense it’s impossible to know how much more he would have gotten right if only the Dems hadn’t been so relentlessly obstructive of EVERYTHING he did. On the other hand, a great man performs greatly under pressure…. nuf said.

Two excellent must read articles on the torture debate:

From the Washington Post:
Torture? No. Except . . .
By Charles Krauthammer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/30/AR2009043003108_pf.html

And
via National Review Institute
Andrew C. McCarthy’s ‘Thanks But No Thanks Letter’ to A.G. Holder
http://nrinstitute.org/mustread.php

I am so glad these two fine gentlemen are on the ‘right’ side of this issue.
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My criticism is based upon personal observations over 28 years of being deployable anywhere in 72 hours, having been deployed and never been political in my adult life. My job was to get a mission accomplished successfully, look after the training, welfare and lives of Soldiers that were placed in my care. We went with the gear we were given, sent to noble causes, fools ventures and lost causes where diplomacy fell on it’s ass. Decisions made above my pay grade came down from National Command authority. I never refused a mission. Those that sent me met their standards. I was held to a higher standard. I was both responsible and accountable. That was my choice and I don’t regret a day of that.

I was subject to compliance with the US Constitution, UCMJ, Geneva Convention, numerous Status of Forces Agreements, Treaties and sent forth at the whim of the Temporary Resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, often poorly supported by Congress and subject to abuse from the media.
There is no Statute of Limitations on War Crimes. There is a Statute of Limitations on Residents of Pennsylvania Avenue. However, We just have to live with the consequences forever. Bad Laws, Political Debt appointments to SCOTUS, Deficit Spending that enslaves my Grand Children to a burden of Debt, forfeiture of US Sovereignty by Fools in Office to the UN, Destruction of The Bill of Rights and manipulation of the Constitution offends me.

Those that grew up safe under the umbrella of protection that I held proudly, were educated falsely, took Freedom for granted but were never taught responsibility elected the least qualified President in history. We have to live with that.

On torture, it is all relative until you have seen mutilated bodies or were shot at to find those murdered or held hostage and subject to real torture. We had a few of Us captured by AQI and their bodies were disfigured and booby trapped to kill the rescue troopers. So all of You Peanut Gallery Moralists can kiss my backside. They were Tortured and died a horrible death. They were not held at GITMO and secured but pampered.

That is where I am coming from. I was not Organizing Communities on an Affirmative Action ride
or doing coke in College or smoking dope. I was busy with deployments to Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Thailand, the Phillipines, Iraq & Afghanistan. I am a UNC Chapel Hill Grad, War College and JFK Warfare Center. The School of Hard Knocks, a PHD.

Prosecution of former Administration folks can establish a legal precedent. Serve at your own Risk and be persecuted later on the whim of the next Administration.

If we get hit again, it is Obama’s Legacy. A one term amateur, supported by those that want Americas destruction. I did not vote for the SOB.

Whatever people may think of Bush, one thing is clear: He looks better and better every single day Obama is in office.

@philly_nj: I was just getting ready to post that letter from McCarthy. Great stuff!

yonason, I am not defending either Bush. The one that stopped short of Baghdad or the one that saw Islam as an oil source but not as a source of 8th Century evil that saw the US as dependent and weak.

Mike’s America:
@philly_nj: I was just getting ready to post that letter from McCarthy. Great stuff!

I also think this in Krauthammer’s article is ‘great stuff’

“*Some people, however, believe you never torture. Ever. They are akin to conscientious objectors who will never fight in any war under any circumstances, and for whom we correctly show respect by exempting them from war duty. But we would never make one of them Centcom commander. Private principles are fine, but you don’t entrust such a person with the military decisions upon which hinges the safety of the nation. It is similarly imprudent to have a person who would abjure torture in all circumstances making national security decisions upon which depends the protection of 300 million countrymen.

Good folk speaking up in and in doing so defending President Bush and Vice President Cheney.
🙂

Shocked I tell you. The media kept the Plame joke alive for years. Why would any of his media buddies ask why not?

And notice how ABC outed real CIA agents when it was political favorable?

ahahahha!! So you boldly state that Obama will refuse to declassify them, yet in your actual post you offer absolutely no evidence, no quotes, other than simple idle speculation. What world do you live in where your predictions translate into fact? What the hell kind of blog are you running here? Are you going to make an apology if he ever does release the memos? Of course you won’t!

Stephen has a point. It’s always risky making predictions like this. For all you know, the memos may be declassified and released within the next few weeks. Then what? Will you amend this post? There’s more than enough to work with using Obama’s actual statements….

“Stephen
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ahahahha!! So you boldly state that Obama will refuse to declassify them, yet in your actual post you offer absolutely no evidence, no quotes, other than simple idle speculation. What world do you live in where your predictions translate into fact? What the hell kind of blog are you running here? Are you going to make an apology if he ever does release the memos? Of course you won’t!”
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Your point, stated clean or your trolling opportunity failed here Skippy.
Come back after you can be coherent and sober. If you don’t like it here,
there are options for punks like you. Find some!

@Stephen:
@Grace Nearing:

There’s really no risk in making these predictions.

None at all.

The pattern of behavior has been well established by this administration.

They are cherry-picking the memos and information that they want out there in order to cast the previous administration and the intelligence community in the worst possible light.

They claim that they won’t play “hide and seek” with the information and then they turn right around and do just that.

If they were interested in getting the truth out for the American people to evaluate then they would have released all of the info at once.

However, that is not what they are interested in. They want to shape the narrative, and thus public opinion, all the while hoping that the sheeple will pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Cheney called Obie’s bluff on this one and now everyone knows that there is more information that has not been released.

The only logical reason that information has not been put out there is because it doesn’t fit the narrative.

The facts don’t fit your arguments.

Better luck next time.

@Old Troopeer:

Not meant personally, at all. Just addressing the crackposts who say we love Bush so we hate Obama, before they start squacking. It wasn’t meant as criticism, just supplimental material.

@philly_nj: I agree Krauthammer’s column is also “good stuff.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/30/AR2009043003108_pf.html

and for those who are not registered at the Wash Post site this link will work:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/05/01/torture_no_except_96283.html

@Grace Nearing: @Stephen:

Please do me a favor and hold your breath waiting for these memos to be declassified.

Surely it won’t do your brain any harm to be deprived of oxygen.

“Your point, stated clean or your trolling opportunity failed here Skippy.
Come back after you can be coherent and sober. If you don’t like it here,
there are options for punks like you. Find some!”

What exactly was incoherent about my message? The fact that I was laughing at your pathetic attempt to pass off pessimism as fact?

Fine, I’ll state my argument more cohesively and without any insult:

You claim in the title and in the beginning of the blog post that Obama *will not* declassify the memos. You do not claim that he “might,” you state it as fact: “Suddenly, he rediscovers the need to protect secrets!” Such a statement does not make sense unless you are trying to make the claim that he definitively will not release the memos.

That is your claim. However, I say that the arguments to support your claim in fact do not support it. Let’s go over them. First, you say, “Obama admitted he had read the memos but refused to go into detail about the information learned and the plots they stopped. No mention was made on whether he would release these memos for all to see.” No mention was made. This does not necessarily indicate that he would not release the memos. Secondly, he didn’t talk about the memos in question because *they are still classified.*

Your second, and only other “evidence” is simply stating: “Somehow they’ll claim protecting national security prevents them from declassifying those memos.” A simple, bold faced assertion by you with nothing to back it up except the fact that your target audience will agree with your assertion.

So if now you deny the fact that you weren’t trying to make a statement of fact, but rather pessimistically predict what Obama is going to do, I ask: what is the point of this blog post? Simply to say you don’t think Obama will do what you think he should? Isn’t that point moot on this blog? My next claim was that you will refuse to admit you were wrong if indeed Obama does release the memos. Are you willing to state here and now that you will make a post in the future that says you were wrong about this if he does?

@Stephen: Still holding your breath Stephen?

Fine by me. Let us know where to send condolences.

yonason, no offense taken.

@Grace Nearing: @Stephen: Pick on someone of your skill level. I do not suffer fools kindly.
Classified Information kept clowns like You safe. I owe allegiance to My Oath, the Constitution the Nation that I Defended, You did not and You do not value that. Others did and you piss on their boots for amusement.

Stevie & Gracie, You are oxygen thieves. Presidents come and go. When You grow up, You will come to know that. Coming here to make a cute political statement may be fashionable in your social circle. Making sense of things that were done to keep you safe is beyond your grasp. You have Freedom. How safe you may be in the future is not in my hands anymore since:

*I am retired after 28 years of selfless service
*53% of America hated it America enough to vote for Obama
*911 did not wake you up to the threat to Freedom
*I paid Your Dues for Your Current Freedoms
*You do not posess the good sense that God gave a crowbar
*Folks that I trained to keep You Safe will continue to do that
*War Crimes are Specified in the Geneva Conventions, the UCMJ and other laws that You never read or understand.
*I do not take your comments seriously but do not have the time to educate you

Do not expect an invite for Christmas Dinner at my house. There may be a lot of folks in uniform
that are Family and Friends that are willing to deploy again to keep you safe.

Stephen, what is Your Security Classification or Specific “need to know”?

So let me get this straight. Clinton did next to nothing about Al-Q and the Taliban. Clinton and co. blinded and crippled our intelligence agencies. His people were still in place when 9/11 happened, yet it’s largely Bush’s fault? Riiiiiiight. So you are saying A+B=Q. Yup. Makes perfect sense.

All I can say is THANK GOD FOR PRESIDENT BUSH! He so decimated Al Queda’s ability to attack the U.S. that it might even save us from the inexperienced, naive and foolish Obama! But if we are attacked again, it may be because Obama …

Is this a joke, Mike? If we’re safe it’s because of Bush but if we’re attacked it’s because of Obama. I’m starting to think your posts are very subtle satire.

@trizzlor.myopenid.com: Did President Bush decimate Al Queda or not? Did President Bush prevent America from being attacked again or not?

I suggest if there is a joke here it is coming from the folks like you who can’t figure out just how good you had it under Bush. Sadly, you’ll have a clear contrast with Obama and the less indoctrinated among you will realize the difference between the two and just how good you had it when the adults were still in charge.

Yon #16… sorry, guy. We part company on the DP world purchase of ports. In fact, they have some of the greatest and most advanced security. The *only* western nation that went into an anti-Arab tizzy about DP World was the US, led by pols with tons of misinformation.

As a result, the US port have inferior screening security, and what DP World would have provided, Congress has made sure we … the US taxpayer… will have to bear the cost of that same equipment.

Meanwhile Britain and Australia, Canada? No problems with the port security after the DP World buyout. It was pure hype.

Old Trooper… you need to do long posts far more often, guy….

Old Trooper: First, I did not resort to personal attacks and I would appreciate the same courtesy. Second, I am not a clown and I wouldn’t know a fashionable circle if I tripped over it. Third, my two points were that (1) making political predictions fills airtime and blog space but doesn’t change reality and (2) when people’s predictions fail to pan out, they rarely own up to missing the mark.

Ask me if Obama will declassify and release the info that Cheney referred to and I will tell you: I do not know. It wouldn’t surprise me if they were released before Memorial Day and it wouldn’t surprise me if I died of old age and the info still hadn’t been released.

@Grace Nearing: Do you have any reason to expect that Obama WILL release the memos which Cheney says prove how waterboarding has saved lives?

If so, then please share that information with us.

If Obama does release the memos you can BET we will report on it.

However, if he does not how long will you wait before you return here to this comment stream and apologize for casting aspersions on the veracity of the conclusions reached in this post?

Do you have any reason to expect that Obama WILL release the memos which Cheney says prove how waterboarding has saved lives?

Regarding this issue, I have no reason to believe ANYTHING. That’s my point. I can’t make it any clearer. The subject is controversial. The documents are classified. No information is known to me first-hand. In the simplest of terms, WTF do any of us know about this? Do we know that the memos Cheney refers to exist? No. Do we know they don’t exist? No. Do we know what Obama intends to do? No. Do we know what Obama intends not to do? No.

As to when I could return to apologize to Old Trooper should he have guessed correctly, the earliest date logically would be Obama’s last day in office (either January 2013 or January 2017). Let’s circle our calendars.

@Old Trooper:

Stephen is a real comedian. (that or a Lefty hypocrite)

Stephen said “My next claim was that you will refuse to admit you were wrong if indeed Obama does release the memos.”

Which is exactly what he is criticizing you for, stating as fact something that hasn’t happened yet. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot.

He can’t possibly know that, because he doesn’t know you. However, we DO know Obama, because we know that Obama has OFTEN lied in the past and everything he does is to hurt the opposition and make himself look good, so he has an M.O. that we can SOLIDLY base our opinions on.

Bottom line, O’Bunko WILL NOT release ANY information that doesn’t further his agenda. The fact that he has released classified material which WILL harm our security, and for no other reason than political gain, is ample proof of that. So, the claim that the cipher will not release memos which, at least at present, do not help him disseminate his propaganda, is a VERY solid one.

However, I personally would leave open the option that Obama MIGHT release those documents, but ONLY if he sees it as a benefit to himself and/or if it is harmful to his opponents. If he does so for those reasons, you have absolutely no need to appologize, even though I suspect someone like Stephen might demand it, as if he were proven right.

Also, we are far more likely to admit we were wrong, and gladly so, if the people we thought weren’t any good turn out to be. That’s the kind of crow I like to eat. BUT, when you are proven right, and the Lefty Stephen is proven wrong, will he come back and appologize? Don’t count on it. Sure, it would be a positive development, but I won’t hold my breath waiting.

Also, ditto what Mata said in her comment #41.

@Grace Nearing: said “I have no reason to believe ANYTHING”

Well let’s lay out what we DO KNOW and then see what additional information emerges.

Former V.P. Cheney asserts that there are documents which show the information we gathered using enhanced interrogation techniques stopped attacks that saved American lives.

Obama admits he read the memos, but instead of addressing the entire point of why they were brought up in the first place attempts to derail the debate and talk about the POSSIBILITY that we could have gotten the information another way.

To an objective person that smells like a dodge.

Unfortunately, we do not have a free press which has the access to the President necessary to ask the question and get an answer. Instead we have tightly scripted press conferences where it is prearranged who will ask questions.

Obama released the series of Dept. of Justice/CIA memos with a political purpose to appease his left wing base by further tarnishing the reputation of the Bush Administration. If there was any possibility of releasing these additional memos which show how effective the Bush policy was in keeping Americans safe Obama would have said when they would be released or would have released them by now.

The fact that they have not been released speaks volumes.

And as I said in my post above, if you think they are going to be released I suggest you don’t hold your breath waiting for them.

@MataHarley:

Interesting. Of course, that could explain why the Dems were so against it. Do you have any links on that? Thanks in advance.

First, apologies to Mike’s A for this brief diversion to provide Yon with some info.

Yon, me man… instead of hijacking this thread on another aside, I shall provide you a link to my 37 posts on DP World from 2006 and 2007 at my old pre-FA blogspot, Sea2Sea.

The newest posts so up first, so if you want to read in order, scroll down to the bottom post showing, and use the “older posts” link to the right… then work your way backwards. Have at it.

Remember that this is 3 years ago, so some links may not work anymore. But it was an interesting time where I found myself on the opposite side to just about everyone… conservative and liberal… on the issue. But Condi and I were on the same page… LOL

However to show you how absurd the US approach was, even Israel had no problems with DP World. And who could be more worried about jihad terrorists than the Israelis??

Added: one post in particular. called Port Ops Perspectives points out this asset acquisition includes ports in Canada, Australia, Germany, and Spain, among others, as well. None of these countries’ are raising a stink about national security risks. In fact, around the same time, Australia was negotiating a trade pact with the UAE.

BTW, Michelle Malkin linked to my “Perspectives” Sea2Sea post that I gave above.

/End Diversion…

Remember that this is 3 years ago, so some links may not work anymore. But it was an interesting time where I found myself on the opposite side to just about everyone… conservative and liberal… on the issue. But Condi and I were on the same page… LOL

Mata,

If memory serves,

Curt, Mike (when did you start posting on FA, Mike?), and I were all in alignment on this as well.

ah, that could be. However in 2006-07, I was totally unaware of FA’s existance. I led a sheltered blog life…. LOL

Wish I’d known. Felt like David with a pea shooter against the world of Goliath. Coulda used the company.

UPDATE: I see, looking thru the archives, that FA was as blissfully unaware of me at Sea2Sea as I was of you guys. Don’t see a link to my stuff there, tho I appeared with AJ on Michelle’s links that day. LOL

I see, looking thru the archives, that FA was as blissfully unaware of me at Sea2Sea as I was of you guys

Unaware….but not for long =)

@MataHarley:

Sorry about diversion, but if it brings me up to speed I do appreciate the info. Also, even if links are old, sometimes one can still get them with “wayback” and key words can be searched to uncover other sources of the same info. That’s one good thing about internet redundancy.

regards

When you pile thru my links, you can then run thru the FA port archives that Wordsmith just provided.

So Mike… you still talking to us after we did a “hijack”? Well, let me try to remedy that. Did a search to see where Mike’s America was back then…. another voice in harmony.

Curt said “Unaware….but not for long =)” Reminds me of an episode of Futurama but if I share that one this thread will veer seriously off course.

I’m not sure why the Dubai Ports Deal got inserted into a thread on the declassification of memos related to foiled terror attacks but I’ll go this far.

My last comment on that subject from the link Mata supplied:

“Now that this deal is dead. What new Democrat manufactured hysteria will rise to take it’s place? Stay tuned!”

How many more episodes of Democrat manufactured hysteria have we seen since then? Someone want to make a list?

OK… can we get back to topic now?

It’s like a trip thru memory lane, eh Mike? :0)