Lies And Liars [Reader Post]

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Last week saw an unusual number of outright lies from our media and political class. Lies that went virtually unchallenged. Yawn.

Lie #1: ABC, celebrating Obama’s 100 day mark, announced he is enjoying the best presidential job approval rating of any president at this point in 20 years. Not so. A simple google search shows that George W. Bush, at the 100 day mark in his presidency, enjoyed a 62% approval rating. Obama, alas, enjoys only a 52% approval rating. ABC lied.

Lie #2: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi announced to the world that she was never told during a congressional briefing in 2002 that waterboarding or other “enhanced” interrogation techniques were being used on terrorism suspects. This directly contradicts a 2007 Washington Post article  saying that the California Democrat and three other lawmakers had received an hour-long secret briefing on the interrogation tactics, including waterboarding, and that they raised no objections at the time. In plain English – Nancy Pelosi lied.

Not mentioned in this brou ha ha is the fact that waterboarding of American military personnel, as part of their training, far exceeded the three times this heinous method was used on terrorists. But torture applied to members of the U.S. military is justified, because the left has already pronounced them guilty, unlike the poor terrorists who have yet to enjoy their day in American courts.

Lie #3: Next up, California Congressman Henry Waxman. After accusing Newt Gingrich of trying to scare people into opposing ‘climate legislation’, Waxman flatly stated that the cap and trade legislation currently being hatched in Congress was designed to “contain energy cost increases.”

If Waxman wasn’t so smart, I would classify his statement as merely a misstatement. But Waxman does his home work. Policy wonk that he is, he had to be aware of the numerous analysis that predict this same cap and trade legislation will increase yearly energy costs for the average family by $1,800 to $3,900. Conclusion: Waxman lied.

Lie #4: Our list of liars would be woefully incomplete without inclusion of Father Earth, Algore. Gore told a House hearing that the Democratic climate bill would limit carbon dioxide and other pollution linked to a warming of the earth and would simultaneously solve the problems of the climate, economy and national security. No supporting facts were given as to how taxing air will help the economy, much less improve our security. None were necessary because Algore has a Nobel Prize. (Lie #5: Nobel Prize recipients don’t lie.)  

Completely overlooked also, was Gore’s underlying premise that man made pollution is linked to climate change. Despite widespread acceptance of this ‘fake but accurate’ premise, no science has been able to definitively link climate change to man, despite billions of our tax dollars and years of trying. Steve Milloy of JunkScience.com offered $100,000 to anyone who could supply this missing link. To date, he has recieved no takers. Hmmm…. 

I’m not 100% sure I can call Gore a liar. After all, a lie is a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive. And there remains the slight possibility that Algore might actually believe the nonsense he spouts.

Another widely accepted premise that has gone unchallenged is that Bush lied. Any liberal, oops, progressive, worth his salt knows for a fact that Bush lied. But strangely enough, not one person has ever taken me up on my oft repeated offer of $100 to anyone who could point out a specific instance where Bush actually lied.

From this I can conclude one of two things: Either Bush didn’t lie, or liberals are so busy feeding at the public trough that they don’t need my measly $100 bucks.

Google search is invaluable in supplying facts and credible rebuttals to the avalanche of misstatements, out of context statements, and outright lies that are mistakenly accepted as truth these days. Unfortunately, there are two things this search engine can’t find: a list of the new politically correct rules we are all now obliged to live by, and a list of the new definitions of old words.

Since I still have that $100 bucks proving Bush didn’t lie, I’m going to go out on a limb and offer it to any liberal, oops, progressive, who can supply me with two things. An up to date list of politically correct rules and a current list of the new definitions of old words. I’ll increase this amount to a cool $1,000 bucks to anyone who can tell me when Americans voted on these new rules and definitions.

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Nancy your figures are skewed to make your point so who is really the LIAR here???

Check out the real numbers!!!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Real clear politics shows Obama approval rating as of 4/26 to be 62%.
CBS news has him at 68%
CNN 63%
Gallup 65%
Rasmussen the lowest at 55%
ABC 69%
Fox Noise 62%

Wrong answer cRAP. You obviously didn’t read the post all the way through. Gallups poll out today shows 56% for the first 100 days. The only modern president to have a lower ranking after 100 days was…Slick Willie.

Obama at 100

RAM,
My facts are correct – The point made was that ABC deliberately skewed their poll conclusion and named him the most popular president at that time in history. That was the lie.

BTW: I am sometimes mistaken, despite my careful checking of sources. Just like Bush, that doesn’t fit the definition of a liar. You should verify your own facts before you slander me. I happen to take great umbrage at being called a liar. Especially when you’re wrong.

And here’s another take:

President Obama’s media cheerleaders are hailing how loved he is. But at the 100-day mark of his presidency, Mr. Obama is the second-least-popular president in 40 years.

According to Gallup’s April survey, Americans have a lower approval of Mr. Obama at this point than all but one president since Gallup began tracking this in 1969. The only new president less popular was Bill Clinton, who got off to a notoriously bad start after trying to force homosexuals on the military and a federal raid in Waco, Texas, that killed 86. Mr. Obama’s current approval rating of 56 percent is only one tick higher than the 55-percent approval Mr. Clinton had during those crises.

As the attached chart shows, five presidents rated higher than Mr. Obama after 100 days in office. Ronald Reagan topped the charts in April 1981 with 67 percent approval. Following the Gipper, in order of popularity, were: Jimmy Carter with 63 percent in 1977; George W. Bush with 62 percent in 2001; Richard Nixon with 61 percent in 1969; and George H.W. Bush with 58 percent in 1989.

It’s no surprise the liberal media aren’t anxious to point out that their darling is less popular than George W. Bush. But given the Gallup numbers, their hurrahs could be more subdued. USA Today’s front page touted the April poll results as positive, with the headline: “Public thinks highly of Obama.” The current cover of Newsweek magazine ponders “The Secret of His [Mr. Obama’s] Success.” The comparison with previous presidents is useful because they are usually popular during their first few months in office – and most presidents have been more popular than Mr. Obama.

The explanation for Mr. Obama’s low approval is that he ran as a moderate but has governed from the far left. The fawning and self-deceiving press won’t go there. On Sunday’s “Meet the Press,” host David Gregory asked a panel about critics who “would say one of the things that he’s done in 100 days already is expand the role of government, the size of government.” Historian Doris Kearns Goodwin claimed, “That’s what he ran for the presidency in the first place for.”

Perplexed about complaints over Mr. Obama’s expansion of government, Newsweek editor Jon Meacham asked: “does no one listen during campaigns?”

It was these pundits who weren’t paying attention during last year’s campaign. In all three presidential debates, Mr. Obama promised to cut government spending and reduce the size of the deficit. He blamed the economic crisis on excessive deficits. At no time did candidate Barack Obama say that more deficit-spending was the solution.

Mr. Obama’s popularity after 100 days is the second-lowest for a simple reason: He is more partisan and divisive than his predecessors – including Richard Nixon.

Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval = 63% as of yesterday.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Here is the poll where Aqua got his numbers.

In First 100 Days, Obama Meets or Exceeds Expectations
Praise for Obama on the economy, foreign policy; criticism on budgetary matters

http://www.gallup.com/poll/117853/First-100-Days-Obama-Meets-Exceeds-Expectations.aspx

That “approval” thing can be largely attributed solely to Democrats in polls… and I’m not much on polls at all.

However for a more current Presidential Gallup poll (CRAP has to go back to mid April for his preferred numbers), this break down of O’approval by party. There’s 64% of “just okay” between GOP and Indys. That’s no glowing endorsement. And CRAP, you can’t wrap up the “just okays” into “excellent” and “good” to get your 63%.

BTW, the “high praise” on the economy is incorrect. Note on page two the highest percentage for criticism for the worst thing he has done is spending too much money on the bailouts. “high praise”?? in what language?

The problem with using the five-ratings poll, and comparing that to approval ratings, is that it’s apples and oranges. If you look at the Gallup poll, they explicitly mention that this is a different methodology than plain old approval ratings (which apparently tend to be higher than just summing up ‘good’ + ‘excellent’).
At any rate, I think some sort of source for your 52% figure would be apropos. ABC I think is probably just guilty of using a poll that suits them.
But Pelosi, Waxman and Gore are liars, all right.

Since I still have that $100 bucks proving Bush didn’t lie

Offering fake ‘bets’ where you get to be the judge is lame.

I would venture to say that given the undersampling of republicans and oversampling of democraps in the polls going back at least to Clinton, that Obama’s poll numbers are even lower, perhaps not even breaking fifty percent, were a party identification sampling used.

Mata

April 25th to April 27th is not MID April under anyones standards…

the first numbers ended on April 26….

You are in Right wing world’s dream land.

CRAP, your link to the dailty, then led to the “average” article dated Apr 17th. The “daily” does not break down the data, but the “average”article does.

You are living in your prozac induced progressive world.

“Since I still have that $100 bucks proving Bush didn’t lie

Offering fake ‘bets’ where you get to be the judge is lame.”

If its so lame, why don’t you take me up on it?

cRAP, the first line in the link I put up is exactly what Nancy posted. President Obama begins the second 100 days of his presidency with 56% of Americans believing he has done an excellent or good job thus far.
56% = lower than any modern president except Slick Willie. Most presidents have high poll numbers for their first 100 days. President Obama just didn’t measure up to the best, which we all know is Reagan.

RAP you aren’t going to convince the people on this site, who look at more than one news source, that the skewed numbers from the Liberal news outlets are legit. I worked for a polling and market research firm for 3 years, they showed me you can make any poll say what you want to with enough effort.

Aleric

That is precisely why I go to the Real Clear Politics web site for most of my polling info.
if you look at my first response in this string that is where I am getting my information from.
It is a combination of multiple polls. That is what I gave the results of multiple polls!