They show that enhanced interrogations saved thousands of American lives!

Last week the Obama Administration released a selected batch of memos detailing the Bush Administration’s scrupulous efforts to maintain humane, yet effective interrogations of the most vile Al Queda terrorists in our custody. That move was opposed by former CIA Chief Michael Hayden as well as four current and former CIA chiefs and others who realized that it only served to help future captured terrorists resist providing the information needed to save American lives.

In an interview with Sean Hannity on Monday, former Vice President Cheney called on the Obama Administration to release additional memos which prove how effective advanced interrogation methods were in preventing future attacks:

CHENEY: “I know specifically of reports that I read, that I saw that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process and what the consequences were for the country.

And I’ve now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify those memos so we can lay them out there and the American people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and how good the intelligence was, as well as to see this debate over the legal opinions.”

However, there was some evidence tucked away in the memos which hasn’t been highlighted by the sensationalist media reporting over so-called “torture:”

The CIA’s Questioning Worked
By Marc A. Thiessen
Washington Post
Tuesday, April 21, 2009


In releasing highly classified documents on the CIA interrogation program last week, President Obama declared that the techniques used to question captured terrorists “did not make us safer.” This is patently false. The proof is in the memos Obama made public — in sections that have gone virtually unreported in the media.

Consider the Justice Department memo of May 30, 2005. It notes that “the CIA believes ‘the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qaeda has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.’ . . . In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including [Khalid Sheik Mohammed] and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques.” The memo continues: “Before the CIA used enhanced techniques . . . KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, ‘Soon you will find out.’ ” Once the techniques were applied, “interrogations have led to specific, actionable intelligence, as well as a general increase in the amount of intelligence regarding al Qaeda and its affiliates.”

Specifically, interrogation with enhanced techniques “led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.” KSM later acknowledged before a military commission at Guantanamo Bay that the target was the Library Tower, the tallest building on the West Coast. The memo explains that “information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discovery of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemmah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave.’ ” In other words, without enhanced interrogations, there could be a hole in the ground in Los Angeles to match the one in New York.

There is more here and you will want to read it all.
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In September 2006 President Bush described how enhanced interrogation techniques spared us from the horror of another day like September 11th but few listened. The Democrats with their allies in the “news” media were more interested in scoring cheap political points by accusing Bush of “torture” for his treatment of the worst of the worst Al Queda terrorists which included Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the man who personally sawed the head off a screaming Daniel Pearl (pictured moments before in photo at right) and held it up to the cameras for all to see.

Democrats Fully Informed on Interrogations

In the selective memory of Democrats and their media allies it’s easy to forget that Democrats had a much different attitude towards what some now call “torture.” Via Peter Wehner at Commentary Magazine we are reminded of this:

Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002
In Meetings, Spy Panels’ Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say
By Joby Warrick and Dan Eggen
Washington Post
Sunday, December 9, 2007

In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA’s overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.

Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.

“The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough,” said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.

Saved Lives Bush’s Legacy and Democrat’s Shame!

President Bush’s finest legacy will be the thousands of lives saved as a result of foiled terrorist plots many of which were foiled because of intelligence we gained as a result of enhanced interrogations. Every day, the people who work in the Library Tower in Los Angeles (pictured above) or those who cross the Brooklyn Bridge into New York should contemplate how different their lives would be had the planned attacks succeeded.

And yet every day, Democrats pretend that these successes never happened and that Bush’s policy made us less safe. What a shame they are not held to the same standard of accountability that Bush has been.

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13 comments so far

ThomNJ
 1Reply to this comment  

Yeah, getting waterboarded numerous times was SOOOOO much worse than what poor Daniel Pearl got. How outrageously idiotic is the political spin on this topic by all politicians wishing to “score” points with the public – the majority of them seem to not care a whit what we think and only how they can position themselves for the next election. Truly disgusting. And truly disgusting are so many of our countrymen who seem to be completely dead from the neck up.

April 21st, 2009 at 9:53 am
Wordsmith
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What I find interesting in the released memos is a sense of serious deliberation and stringency on what was and was not allowed to be done. Lawyers consulted…and it’s because the Geneva Convention was taken seriously AND respected by the Administration that non-uniformed terrorists were not given the same status as uniformed soldiers of an enemy state that’s signed onto the Geneva Convention. To fail to make the distinction only endangers innocent civilians who may be used as human shields to hide amongst.

I think releasing the memos only makes the Bush Administration look good.

Now, release the ones that demonstrates how the limited use of harsh interrogation methods led to actionable intelligence.

April 21st, 2009 at 10:53 am
Hard Right
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Word, if they released such memos it would undermine their claim
that the “bushies” were evil for using such techniques and their justification for not using those methods.
You might as well ask them to admit they were wrong…about anything.

April 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Missy
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So much for a leader. Robert Gibbs had quite the time trying to explain the abrupt change from Obama not being interested in prosecuting as of the Sunday talk shows to the door is open, no one is above the law today. MoveOn has their petitions going, Feinstein, Leahy and Feingold are whining. But, it’s the responsibility of Eric Holder to decide, not Obama. Why even have a president?

I was reading through comments on Marc Theissen’s piece today, what a shame that after 911 and all we’ve been through we still have people that are so locked into opposition to all and anything Bush that they see no problem in putting this country at risk for another attack.

April 21st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
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@Wordsmith: I don’t agree that the release of the memos was a good idea even if it does vindicate Bush policy. Remember all the Dems who said Bush had to “listen to the generals?” Well, apparently Obama doesn’t have to listen to the CIA Directors who lined up in opposition to his release of the memos.

And later today we learned:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/21/cheney-obama-cia-torture-memos

“Senior Bush figures could be prosecuted for torture, says Obama
President says use of waterboarding showed US had ‘lost moral bearings’ as Dick Cheney says CIA memos showed torture delivered ‘good’ intelligence”

I’m posting on that ASAP.

April 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pm
john lorenz
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So now they want to investigate the attorneys, working at the President’s request, who reviewed then existing law to determine if these enhanced interrogation techniques were proper expressions of a President’s war powers. The problem began when we let these “patriots” define the terms in the absence of anything, since they were “supposedly” secret said by the Bush Administration. It’s amazing that someone can be waterboarded 183 times and show no apparent impact. I bet SKM can raise his arms over his head. John McCain who was tortured, can’t. Go figure. Well it’s all on Comrade O now.

April 21st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
jarman
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As you can read here:

http://www.slate.com/id/2216601/?from=rss

Khalid was captured AFTER the Bush administration captured the leader of the cell and the members of the cell said it had already been cancelled. This comes straight from a Bush press briefing, so assuming that the administration wasn’t lying, these are the facts. So how could his “enhanced” interrogation have led to stopping an attack which had already been called off before the interrogation? Answer: It couldn’t! So yeah, you’re probably right – this is more than likely what Cheney was talking about – incorrectly. If this is the best that they can come up with for a justification, then it just points out how wrong we were to stain our reputation and moral standing to get obsolete “information”.

So, in the end, neither you, nor Cheney nor unearthed documents nor Bush nor anyone in his administration have shown that even one life was saved, let alone the “thousands” you fancifully imagine. I think you’re right, though – that probably will be his legacy.

April 21st, 2009 at 7:33 pm
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How does “believed to be” canceled somehow translated into *was* canceled, jarman? Are you suggesting that just because the cell leader was arrested, they were impotent to complete the mission?

And are you suggesting that KSM’s only value was a single plot?

April 21st, 2009 at 8:21 pm
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@jarman: From your link: “Al-Qaida’s plot to bomb the Library Tower was not worth torturing anyone over.”

Tell that to the people who work there. What would have happened if Bush had not succeeded in foiling that plot? The lefties would have gone even more berserk.

The facts are indisputable. Bush foiled plots with information gathered from waterboarding JUST THREE OF THESE MONSTERS.

This false piety about “torture” is torture to me.

April 21st, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Wordsmith
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@Mike’s America #5:

I don’t agree that the release of the memos was a good idea even if it does vindicate Bush policy.

Mike, I didn’t say the release of the memos was “a good idea”; I think in my previous thread or elsewhere in the blogosphere, I questioned what purpose the release serves, and whether it makes America safer, or cause us harm.

What I said:

I think releasing the memos only makes the Bush Administration look good.

To clarify: Browsing through the released memos, more than anything, I think it demonstrates to the world that lawyers were consulted, deliberations were made with gravity, and that nothing the Administration endorsed amounted to the hysteria and hyperventilation the “torture” critics have believed about what took place.

April 21st, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Hattie Mae
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I wish it wasn’t so, but I just knew Obama would change his tack on this. You know, you have to bow down not only to show respect but to lose it too, like to kiss @$$. I think this was one of his carrots on his World Wide Apology Tour, a bargaining chip in his bid for being the High Muckah Muckah of the World . Muslim Messiah that he is fancied to be by some.

April 22nd, 2009 at 5:18 am
Missy
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@jarman:

Perhaps you can get that unnamed FBI official to straighten the CIA out on a few things.

CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles

CNSNews.com…) – The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com… today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) — including the use of waterboarding — caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.

The May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that details what happened in this regard was written by then-Principal Deputy Attorney General Steven G. Bradbury to John A. Rizzo, the senior deputy general counsel for the CIA.

“You have informed us that the interrogation of KSM—once enhanced techniques were employed—led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles,” says the memo.

“You have informed us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discover of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemaah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave,’” reads the memo. “More specifically, we understand that KSM admitted that he had [redaction] large sum of money to an al Qaeda associate [redaction] … Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair), who was then captured. Zubair, in turn, provided information that led to the arrest of Hambali. The information acquired from these captures allowed CIA interrogators to pose more specific questions to KSM, which led the CIA to Hambali’s brother, al Hadi. Using information obtained from multiple sources, al-Hadi was captured, and he subsequently identified the Garuba cell. With the aid of this additional information, interrogations of Hambali confirmed much of what was learned from KSM.”

A CIA spokesman confirmed to CNSNews.com… today that the CIA stands by the factual assertions made here.

In the memo itself, the Justice Department’s Bradbury told the CIA’s Rossi: “Your office has informed us that the CIA believes that ‘the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qa’ida has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46949

WASHINGTON – President Obama’s national intelligence director told colleagues in a private memo last week that the harsh interrogation techniques banned by the White House did produce significant information that helped the nation in its struggle with terrorists.

“High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa’ida organization that was attacking this country,” Adm. Dennis C. Blair, the intelligence director, wrote in a memo to his staff last Thursday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us/politics/22blair.html?_r=1&hp

April 22nd, 2009 at 6:00 am

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