Well, it had to happen sooner or later, ladies and gentlemen; the Department of Homeland Security (the Motherland, sic) has put out a nine page report to the police that lists all the ‘right wing radicals’ whom poise a threat to the country today. “A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines “rightwing extremism in the United States” as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority. “It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration,” the warning says.
As I understand it, the report basically starts on supposedly the ‘far right’, lists everything in existence nearing the ‘center’ and lists everything to the left of center as acceptable radicalism. Likely this report is going to become a classic and anyone who feels they have an affinity for Washington, Jefferson, Madison, to Reagan and so forth will be insulted should they not appear on subsequent lists naming the potential malefactors that have to be ‘kept an eye on.’
According to the report, we need to keep a close watch on returning veterans since “Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists,” it says. I guess those veterans who were lucky enough to make it back home have to be labeled something sinister to keep them from getting all those wonderful military benefits they are entitled to. Chris Dodd is obviously jealous that their benefits may eat into his retirement, so the less drain there, the more to go around. “DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities.”
The report also mentions “‘end times’ prophecies could motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition and weapons. These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as the violent Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement.” Oh my, as a member of the Georgia Right to Life and a student of ‘end times’ prophecy, I guess I fit the bill.
The report also warned law enforcement agencies to watch for suspicious individuals who may have bumper stickers for third-party political candidates such as Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin. That’s right since any candidate having different ideas than the mirror image republican-democrats is a radical and anyone who gives them the time of day likely is a raving lunatic with a hoard of AK-47’s and other assorted specimens and ammo in their fallout shelter.
The White House has distanced itself from the analysis. When asked for comment on its contents, White House spokesman Nick Shapiro said, “The President is focused not on politics but rather taking the steps necessary to protect all Americans from the threat of violence and terrorism regardless of its origins. He also believes those who serve represent the best of this country, and he will continue to ensure that our veterans receive the respect and benefits they have earned.” Of course, exactly as it distanced itself from the Somalia pirates until they could generate maximum positive publicity from it. Obama distances himself from Everything until he determines if it can be spun to the positive. Everyone loves Obama, to 88% of Democrats , he is still the messiah, and I simply cannot see how 28% of those who call themselves Republicans believe he rose from the dead this past Sunday and now sits on the right hand of the Father.
Give it a little more time, folks and this One World consortium will come to reality. The only question will be who wins the jockeying for Big Kahuna.
I just read this article on Yahoo! about a half and hour ago, and became quite concerned. I even sent it to the Flopping Aces email address. As my copy of the email ended up in my spam folder, I assume it did for you guys as well. Then I found you had already posted on it!
What alarmed me was not so much the report. I get it that the political climate right now could inspire some looneys of the Fred Phelps type to really go to extremes, but the rhetoric in the report seems to point to anyone with a Conservative viewpoint. Having not read the actual report, but the news article about the report (a report on the report!), I assumed it was the media making this spin. I hope that’s the case.
One of my favorite quotes is by Friedrich Nietzsche:
“The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.”
And it pains me to see the attempted spin by those on my side of the political fence who try to paint your side as inherently criminal across the board.
But I do have to say that, while I personally completely applaud support your right and effort to dissent and protest, most of my friends on the left are not paying too much attention to the tea parties, and those who are are just “making fun” of it all.
i.e. = —
(do not watch if you are easily offended by sexually crass humor)
So, I have to disagree that this has anything to do with the events you guys have planned tomorrow. If the media really wants to suppress you, they’ll just not report it. This is a bigger political game by the media, meant to vilify you guys for simply thinking differently. True liberals and moderates can see it as clear as day, and we don’t like it as much as you.
@trizzlor
That 2001 document named specific groups. It did not put out a blanket condemation of people/groups which include those “horrible” people who want a sillly thing call 1st, 2nd and 10th amendment upheld. Now go read all of it…And yes you’re a libtard, cuz this gang of thieves want to contol the web, as well. But I guess you’ll be OK with that cuz The One says it’s so.
(Thnx Mata)
@Patvann: And the 2001 report is also 33 pages long with examples going all the way back to the 1960’s; it has just as much vague conjecture about left-leaning groups as this new report, it not more. Besides, would you honestly be satisfied if the new report directly mentioned a few survivalist and supremacist groups? Your problem is that the report isn’t thorough enough?
During the election, there were a number of incidents where extremists were violently targeting Obama or his campaign. Lately, you guys have been sending tea, silly putty, whatever to various state representatives (this is just an example, I’m not making an equivalence between such protest and true extremism) who were initially bewildered and thought these were potentially lethal substances. Considering they are against a left-wing president, the simplest way to classify these guys is as right-wing and to do some prep research on the motivations.
The 2001 report says that many extremists are motivated by concern for the environment, should this offend me as someone who also cares about the environment? I think that would be ludicrous.
Also, I don’t know who you’re referring to as The One?
@trizzlor:
So many glittering jewels.
So little time.
Anarchy is not a state of complete social control. Anarchy is a state of no control and no law whatsoever.
Again, you’re confused. Right wing principles do not in any way espouse large, sweeping government control. Nor do right wing principles include rabid environmentalism.
It may seem “logical” to you but your logic is simply, and provably, wrong.
It’s not a matter of making myself feel better. It’s about telling the truth.
Shall I cite for you all of the efforts by the Democrats in which they supported slavery, racism, the KKK, and opposed the civil rights movement?
Shall I cite the record of the KKK plank in the Democrat National Convention platform?
I have history and fact on my side.
You, not so much.
You can make whatever claims you wish to make but unless you can produce some sort of source to support your contentions then you are wasting your time.
History is very clear about what went on in Germany and the political ideas and policies which took that country down it’s path.
The Democrats remained the party of racist policies and beliefs all the way to the Johnson administration.
The only way civil rights legislation was passed in this country was through, get this, Republican votes.
Care to see the voting records?
Show me another government report that has the broadly sweeping generalizations that this report contains.
I quoted the portion of the report that concerns me in post #11.
Until you can show me other reports that contain that sort of information you’re just spinning.
Again, you’re putting words in my mouth. I am sure I’ve already asked you not to do that.
I haven’t “denounced” the targeting of white supremacists. Nor have I allowed the “anarcho-communists” to get off the hook.
trizzlor:
It never ceases to amaze me the disconnect you guys have with the real world.
One of the little tidbits I have difficulty on with my math is how can one get a tax ‘refund’ when they did not pay any taxes in the first place? New semantics? Under The Table Reparations?
The other is why should I send in my taxes to be conscripted and be given to make the monthly payments for someone living in a house they cannot afford, could never afford, and have no business occupying? “From Each According To His Ability To Each According To His Need?”
The other is why should I send in my taxes to to help pay for digging my grave and the graves of my children since Obama is putting this country under a burden that can NEVER be repaid?
And lastly, since there is limited space here, Where Has Your Socialism ever succeeded? Yeah, thought so, there are always stupid fools out there wanting to try it again because THEY can make it work. Only problem is that with liberals they feel if only they are given enough chances they can make it work, never mind the trail of destruction in their midst.
Well, you tell me, if we are just getting started on this Obama spend-a-thon, where the hell will we be in 20 years? You tell me.
Then I am in good company, FA! It appears that I, too, am a Radical Right Wing Extremist.
KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainian security agents have arrested a regional lawmaker and two companions for trying to sell a radioactive substance that could be used in making a dirty bomb, officials said Tuesday.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gH_89sNbRUaG-_lfZN4aiuWyYoawD97I9GPO0
Maybe they should go after the real terrorist.
http://euobserver.com/9/27941
Recession spurs growth in EU ‘shadow economy’
The “shadow economy” – which includes untaxed trade in goods and services, such as cash-in-hand construction work or car repairs, but excludes serious crime such as illegal drugs and prostitution – is predicted to expand by 0.3 to 0.9 percent this year in 14 rich EU states, which are also members of the OECD.
OH MY
The research gathers together motivating factors such as rising taxation, unemployment and mistrust in the state as well as direct indices such as demand for cash from banks and trends in the use of electricity.
OH MY
Theft and burglary may go up during a recession. At the same time, income from prostitution is likely to go down, as businessmen have less money to spend.
SAY IT AINT SO.
Catherine
@Aye Chihuahua: We’re swirling down the drain with this debate, but let’s give it another go.
This is an extremely common misconception, but the political movement known as Anarchism does not advocate Anarchy as you describe it. At its heart, Anarchism tries to balance individual liberties with a collectivist attitude – Anarchists have laws, they have judges and juries, and they have a militia/police force – they’re simply all civilian organized. In fact, because modern day Anarchists want to move away from your kind of definition, they have recently referred to themselves as “Libertarian socialists,” which is much closer to their true ideology.
If you want to argue that fascism isn’t at the far end of the right-wing, we’re simply going to have to disagree as this is an age old question – my point is that it’s a meaningless classification that makes it easier to split the political spectrum into two groups. Like I said, what defines you are your ideas not your movement.
Look, I didn’t discount your historical arguments because of lack of citations, rather, I assumed you were being honest and presented counter-examples – this is called arguing in good faith. If you think that Hitler was not against the Communists/Socialists, or that the Dixiecrats and Southern Strategy didn’t exist, feel free to point that out. Otherwise this is just turning into two monologues.
As far as specific generalizations from the report, here are a few:
@trizzlor:
Swirling down indeed.
In post #50 you said:
I responded by telling you that anarchists espouse the view of no government and no law whatsoever.
Then, in post 58, you tell me that description is a common misconception.
Hmmmm.
Here’s a definition:
Here’s another:
The absence of a master, of a sovereign would make it rather difficult to have complete social control.
Individuals freely cooperating also does not indicate “control”.
I looked at what you termed to be “generalizations” in the left-wing report, however, I don’t see anything there that the common citizen would be threatened by. For that matter, most common citizens would not even fit into any of those categories.
Here are a few generalizations from the DHS report which was the heart of the original post:
Wide swaths of the American citizenry are covered by these two paragraphs alone. There are other pieces of information in the report which do the same.
When a government report is released that is so generic, so broad, so open to interpretation that it could potentially be used to cover nearly 50% of the American people, that’s a problem.
Anyone who refuses to see what is in this report and the potential harmful effects of it is just fooling themselves into believing that the fed gov’t is some benign entity that has no potential to do harm to the Citizen.
AyeChihuahua:
No sense chasing your tail. The guy will spin everything you put out.
Those two paragraphs cover the entire American heartland.
DHS report on left wing extremists:
LINK
Get some help people.
@Fit fit: GOOOOO to a Tea Party Nit Wit. Get back in touch with the roots of REAL AMERICANS!
Real crazy Americans… I will be enjoying a nice glass of southern style sweet tea tonight while giggling at all the tea bag innuendos.
@MataHarley: Good video but it will be the Muslims coming for us with no one to stop them.
@ Hard Right
I hope you were able to pick-up an X-29 Space Modulator before they were all sold out.
In all seriousness, in regards to said report: At the risk of sounding like a “right-wing extremist” isn’t this exactly how the German National Socialist Party operated?
(1) Set up a secret police to protect the homeland.
(2) Elect a charismatic leader to lead the nation into change
(3) Define the undesirable parts of society that have to be investigated to protect the homeland.
(4) Crank-up up the propaganda machine against those portions of society (listed in #2,) and against all political opposition.
(5) Create and enforce strict regulatory control of all business.
(6) Create a civilian corps to serve the party and to intimidate and harass those who are not members of the party. Set up a system of rewards to favor those who support the party.
(7) Build more prisons.
Sometimes people are paranoid. Sometimes rightly so.
ditto: ‘right wing’ according to WHOM?
1: There’s a 20,000 member storm trooper group set up and doing maneuvers in various cities as ‘terrorist response’ (although we no longer use ‘terrorists’).
2: Barack Obama
3: The just mentioned ‘report’.
4: As Napolitano is doing just now and the above report as sent to the State Patrols.
5: Barack Obama’s proposals through the treasury.
6: ACORN
7: an unavoidable consequence of the above………..
@Steve Rowland:
Hmmm, about #4. Wonder what she’s going to send to Sheriff Arpaio? Beware of “right wing” extremist feds sabotaging state, county and local law enforcement?
Missy:
You know, I strongly believe that there ‘ain’t no liberals’ in Law Enforcement…they have seen too much shit created by misguided ‘progressive’ representation by both parties.
@Steve Rowland:
I do know of one. My son-in-law has a boss elected by everyone other than the guys on the force. Shortly after becoming sheriff, he was arrested for DUI. When I get out there later this month, I’m going to ask how a county sheriff functions without a driver’s license and who drives him around. He’s cut hours and pay so surely he wouldn’t think of expecting his deputies to chauffer him around. cough.
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Just came across this blog, he’s discussing how Napalitano stopped using terrorist in describing…… terrorists. She decided we should now refer to terrorism as a “man caused disaster.”
Except when she’s referring to the right-wing, as the term terrorist was used 15 times in the 10 page document.
http://hollycrud.com/2009/04/janet-napoli-nutso-dhss-woman-caused.html
I tried to edit my comment and a little sign told me it was marked as spam. Oh well.
Here’s what it was all about. I found this blog that reminded me of when Napalitano changed the term terrorist to “man caused disaster.”
Except in the 10 page document she uses terrorist against right-wing citizens in her own country.
http://hollycrud.com/2009/04/janet-napoli-nutso-dhss-woman-caused.html
MIssy:
I agree there, the sheriff is elected and fires all those who does not support him. I wil be waiting to hear that.
That old witch. She’s also a lesbian to boot I will wager you. “MAN CAUSED” Disaster……….
@Steve Rowland
“ditto: ‘right wing’ according to WHOM?”
Why according to the Left wing who wrote the security report of course.
Hey, Curt: I’m floored!
Now I gotta go out and buy a whole house security system and dig a tunnel under the slab to the creek culvert out back to make a quick escape…..:-)
Attention Flopping Aces Hosters. New Department of Homeland Security logo to be prominantly displayed in all right-wing blog side bars. Explanation and logos available in content in site below:
http://atrueobamanation.blogspot.com/2009/04/dhs-unveils-new-seal-and-threat-table.html
Thanks Missy! “Hillary’ ious!
Steve