Comments on: Doin’ the Shuck-N-Jive on ESC Research – [Reader Post] http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/03/16/doin-the-shuck-n-jive-on-esc-research-reader-post/ Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:35:37 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Scott http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/03/16/doin-the-shuck-n-jive-on-esc-research-reader-post/#comment-178749 Scott Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:01:02 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=18478#comment-178749 Already starting, but the reality is....when the first crisis comes about that makes good play on TV. That's when it'll turn. The Great Recession is bad-arguably worse than 911, Iraq, and Katrina combined in terms of costs and lives effected (though not lost thank God), but it lacks TV coverage. There's no soup lines in the burbs. Now, when there's a war w Iran, or the next hurricane hits etc...if Obama does get good footage to marry up w the crisis, then he's kaput. Already starting, but the reality is….when the first crisis comes about that makes good play on TV. That’s when it’ll turn. The Great Recession is bad-arguably worse than 911, Iraq, and Katrina combined in terms of costs and lives effected (though not lost thank God), but it lacks TV coverage. There’s no soup lines in the burbs. Now, when there’s a war w Iran, or the next hurricane hits etc…if Obama does get good footage to marry up w the crisis, then he’s kaput.

]]> By: Tom N http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/03/16/doin-the-shuck-n-jive-on-esc-research-reader-post/#comment-178719 Tom N Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:07:37 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=18478#comment-178719 I wonder at what point the main steam media will turn on him and the public will find out about his numerous faults. I wonder at what point the main steam media will turn on him and the public will find out about his numerous faults.

]]> By: Hard Right http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/03/16/doin-the-shuck-n-jive-on-esc-research-reader-post/#comment-178485 Hard Right Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:14:02 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=18478#comment-178485 Of course the MSM libs celebrated: Murder the innocent but protect the guilty is one of their core beliefs. Of course the MSM libs celebrated:
Murder the innocent but protect the guilty is one of their core beliefs.

]]> By: thebronze http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/03/16/doin-the-shuck-n-jive-on-esc-research-reader-post/#comment-178231 thebronze Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:56:32 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=18478#comment-178231 <blockquote>Doin’ the Shuck-N-Jive </blockquote> RAAAAAAACIST!!!!!!!

Doin’ the Shuck-N-Jive

RAAAAAAACIST!!!!!!!

]]> By: pdill http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/03/16/doin-the-shuck-n-jive-on-esc-research-reader-post/#comment-178154 pdill Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:01:22 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=18478#comment-178154 Jeff I don't think Obama CAN repeal Dickey-Wicker, only Congress. He can certainly influence it, which I believe he did with the NYT's and Clinton/Gupta, and no doubt, lots more where that came from. Give it 3 months and we will all be heartless Luddites for not supporting the overturn of Dickey-Wicker. Jeff I don’t think Obama CAN repeal Dickey-Wicker, only Congress. He can certainly influence it, which I believe he did with the NYT’s and Clinton/Gupta, and no doubt, lots more where that came from. Give it 3 months and we will all be heartless Luddites for not supporting the overturn of Dickey-Wicker.

]]> By: ruaqtpi2 http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/03/16/doin-the-shuck-n-jive-on-esc-research-reader-post/#comment-178152 ruaqtpi2 Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:51:44 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=18478#comment-178152 It's hard to say right now how long it will take for scientists to decide that the several hundred newer ESC lines need to be expanded into the thousasands (or more), but when that happens, you know there will be pressure on Obama to issue an Executive Order repealing Dickey-Wicker. Based on his leanings to date, I doubt he would hesitate much. Jeff V P.S. It just occurred to me that Obama is an amalgamation of three main characters who accompany Dorothy Gale in the Wizard of Oz. He's got the scarecrow's ability to think for himself, the Tin Man's compassion (for truly responsible taxpayers), and the Cowardly Lion's courage (when dealing with Pelosi and Reid.) Maybe he deserves a new nickname - somthing along the lines of Obama - the Cowardly Tin Scarecrow? Just a thought. It’s hard to say right now how long it will take for scientists to decide that the several hundred newer ESC lines need to be expanded into the thousasands (or more), but when that happens, you know there will be pressure on Obama to issue an Executive Order repealing Dickey-Wicker. Based on his leanings to date, I doubt he would hesitate much.

Jeff V

P.S. It just occurred to me that Obama is an amalgamation of three main characters who accompany Dorothy Gale in the Wizard of Oz. He’s got the scarecrow’s ability to think for himself, the Tin Man’s compassion (for truly responsible taxpayers), and the Cowardly Lion’s courage (when dealing with Pelosi and Reid.) Maybe he deserves a new nickname – somthing along the lines of Obama – the Cowardly Tin Scarecrow? Just a thought.

]]> By: pdill http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/03/16/doin-the-shuck-n-jive-on-esc-research-reader-post/#comment-178143 pdill Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:27:30 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=18478#comment-178143 <strong>Smarter than a Rhode Scholar and a Brain Surgeon?</strong> Aye if I would have had more time today, I would have done a related but somewhat different take on the stem cell saga, prompted by seeing a bit of Clinton and Sanjay Gupta on Larry King last night. Glad you posted this! It’s my take (for whatever that is worth), that this is typical Obama doing what he does best; speaking out of both sides of his mouth, trying to be loved by everyone, while essentially voting “present.” Here’s the deal. The Wickey Amendment comes up every year for “renewal.” I think September 30 is the date. For the past 13 years, Congress has not even come close to lifting it, but they will this year. Obama “put it into motion”, and will leave it to Congress to do his usual dirty work (actually the have to on this one, but I believe it’s all very calculated). Let me give you two examples. For starters, the NY Times wasted NO time in calling for the “reversal” of Dickey. Consequently, Sanjay Gupta and Bill Clinton had a rather interesting interview this past week, which I caught a little of last evening. During the interview, Gupta asks Clinton if “ESC” will be the new “abortion” issue. To my shock, Mr. Rhode Scholar told Mr. Brain Surgeon that pretty much, “no big deal” UNLESS it’s a fertilized egg OR reproductive cloning. If that wasn’t bad enough, Clinton used the word “fertilized” at least 5 or 6 times, as in "our research embryos are NOT fertilized. I believe this was deliberate propaganda. For the record, ALL embryos are FERTILIZED, (biology 101). Even worse, Gupta didn’t correct him! So, are we all dumber than a Rhode Scholar and a Neurosurgeon or is this more of the “verbal gymnastics” that has always gone with the pro choice agenda? After all, after 50,000 abortions, we still can’t finish the sentence of a women’s right to chose WHAT? Furthermore, for the record, human cloning HAS already occurred in this country, (with private funding), last year. A CEO of a private Biotech company in La Jolla, Samuel Wood, cloned himself (5 times if my memory serves me correctly). Of course it’s still illegal to implant a human clone, but human cloing has been done. I can’t even image what it must have been like to look at a clone of ones self under a microscope and then KILL the clones (they HAD to kill the clones). BTW, I remember that it took almost THIRTY human eggs for one clone. My point of the above is that for all the things Clinton is, stupid isn’t one of them. Gupta is not only an MD but a guy fed news 24/7, so I will never believe that he too was clueless. There can only be two ways to go with this. If they are that clueless, what does that say for the “rash” decisions/laws that are being made regarding human life? This is the moral giant of our times, so who could believe that these types of decisions are made off the cuff? I think the better explanation is it’s all part of the “desenitiszation.” Either way, it’s not too early to start sounding the bell that America will NOT go down the road to barbarism by unleashing the Dickey Amendment. We’ve got 6 months to educate America. p.s. Video of Clinton and Gupta is easily found on line as well as references to all my other "claims." Sorry I"m in a bit if a hurry right now but wanted to post this. p.p.s. UPDATE: I concure with Gaff; they still are getting plenty of mileage out of this "as is." Smarter than a Rhode Scholar and a Brain Surgeon?

Aye if I would have had more time today, I would have done a related but somewhat different take on the stem cell saga, prompted by seeing a bit of Clinton and Sanjay Gupta on Larry King last night. Glad you posted this!

It’s my take (for whatever that is worth), that this is typical Obama doing what he does best; speaking out of both sides of his mouth, trying to be loved by everyone, while
essentially voting “present.”

Here’s the deal. The Wickey Amendment comes up every year for “renewal.” I think September 30 is the date. For the past 13 years, Congress has not even come close to lifting it, but they will this year. Obama “put it into motion”, and will leave it to Congress to do his usual dirty work (actually the have to on this one, but I believe it’s all very calculated). Let me give you two examples.

For starters, the NY Times wasted NO time in calling for the “reversal” of Dickey. Consequently, Sanjay Gupta and Bill Clinton had a rather interesting interview this past week, which I caught a little of last evening. During the interview, Gupta asks Clinton if “ESC” will be the new “abortion” issue. To my shock, Mr. Rhode Scholar told Mr. Brain Surgeon that pretty much, “no big deal” UNLESS it’s a fertilized egg OR reproductive cloning.

If that wasn’t bad enough, Clinton used the word “fertilized” at least 5 or 6 times, as in “our research embryos are NOT fertilized. I believe this was deliberate propaganda. For the record, ALL embryos are FERTILIZED, (biology 101). Even worse, Gupta didn’t correct him! So, are we all dumber than a Rhode Scholar and a Neurosurgeon or is this more of the “verbal gymnastics” that has always gone with the pro choice agenda? After all, after 50,000 abortions, we still can’t finish the sentence of a women’s right to chose WHAT?

Furthermore, for the record, human cloning HAS already occurred in this country, (with private funding), last year. A CEO of a private Biotech company in La Jolla, Samuel Wood, cloned himself (5 times if my memory serves me correctly). Of course it’s still illegal to implant a human clone, but human cloing has been done. I can’t even image what it must have been like to look at a clone of ones self under a microscope and then KILL the clones (they HAD to kill the clones). BTW, I remember that it took almost THIRTY human eggs for one clone.

My point of the above is that for all the things Clinton is, stupid isn’t one of them. Gupta is not only an MD but a guy fed news 24/7, so I will never believe that he too was clueless. There can only be two ways to go with this. If they are that clueless, what does that say for the “rash” decisions/laws that are being made regarding human life? This is the moral giant of our times, so who could believe that these types of decisions are made off the cuff? I think the better explanation is it’s all part of the “desenitiszation.”

Either way, it’s not too early to start sounding the bell that America will NOT go down the road to barbarism by unleashing the Dickey Amendment. We’ve got 6 months to educate America.

p.s. Video of Clinton and Gupta is easily found on line as well as references to all my other “claims.” Sorry I”m in a bit if a hurry right now but wanted to post this.

p.p.s. UPDATE: I concure with Gaff; they still are getting plenty of mileage out of this “as is.”

]]> By: GaffaUK http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/03/16/doin-the-shuck-n-jive-on-esc-research-reader-post/#comment-178141 GaffaUK Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:23:51 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=18478#comment-178141 Not quite. Although messy - apparently Obama lifting of the ban enables scientists to use 'existing' stem cell lines but not create new ones. Also there are attempts to repeal the Dickey-Wicker amendment. "Bush's executive policy additionally had limited researchers receiving federal aid to just 21 stem cell lines created before August 2001. Obama's reversal allows them to use hundreds of other stem cell lines already in existence. But the Dickey-Wicker provision still prevents federally backed researches from creating their own stem cell lines" "Reps. Diana DeGette, D-Colo., and Mike Castle, R-Del., are seeking a quick vote on legislation to repeal the amendment, after failing twice in the past to overturn Bush's restrictions" http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/14/obamas-approval-stem-cell-research-needs-congressional-action/ Not quite. Although messy – apparently Obama lifting of the ban enables scientists to use ‘existing’ stem cell lines but not create new ones. Also there are attempts to repeal the Dickey-Wicker amendment.

“Bush’s executive policy additionally had limited researchers receiving federal aid to just 21 stem cell lines created before August 2001. Obama’s reversal allows them to use hundreds of other stem cell lines already in existence. But the Dickey-Wicker provision still prevents federally backed researches from creating their own stem cell lines”

“Reps. Diana DeGette, D-Colo., and Mike Castle, R-Del., are seeking a quick vote on legislation to repeal the amendment, after failing twice in the past to overturn Bush’s restrictions”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/14/obamas-approval-stem-cell-research-needs-congressional-action/

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