Saturday in West Chester, Pa

@skye – I think it’s great that you are organising such campaigns – especially as most people are apathetic. However don’t you think some of the kids there look a bit young to be politicized? Do they know what they are campaigning for or against independently or are they just following without question what their parents believe?

I love the “Obama Lied, Economy Dies” sign.

P.S. Where is the full report from CPAC????

Re: GaffaUK

“What kids are taught at school is a valid point but another subject. I’m sure whatever kids are taught at school can be refuted by their parents when they get home, they can change school, do homeschooling if necessary.”

So then anything goes and others can teach your children anything they want? Any political or even extreme agenda if fine, so long as the parent knows that they are free to try to reprogram their kids later when they insist “But my teacher said ______!”? I guess you don’t really have a problem if children are taught about religion, abstinence, the right to life, etc..? Any kind of indoctrination is acceptable? You don’t even mind if Al Queda sympathizers or gang members were invited into the classroom to teach children what they know? It’s all ok with GaffaUK because hey, if you don’t like what your child was taught, you are free to pull them out of school, quite your job and try to do all the teaching yourself. (Even though you will not get a re-imbursement voucher, so it’s going to cost you even more.)

You DO understand historically how the children were indoctrinated by communist party teachers and Hitler youth programs? How fanatics have taught children how to become suicide bombers to serve jihad causes?

Are you really sure you’re fine with the politicizing and indoctrination of innocent children?

@Fit fit: You mean the two aren’t synonymous?!

@GaffaUK:

I’m sure it’s impossible to have any school curriculum where all parents are going to be happy. Do teachers only teach things which have no controversy attached (what would like leave in history for instance) or teachers teach kids every possible theory out there.

Gaffa,

I agree with what you’re trying to point out; but do you not see a problem when teachers DON’T honestly present both sides, but push an agenda? Why are schools presenting only one side of a debate-not-over on the global warming issue? Or when they present “the other view”, it’s through a liberal’s interpretive lens? So “gay marriage” becomes the next civil rights struggle of our times and if you’re against federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, then you must be putting ideology over science.

Fit: Proof positive that Skye’s little group is about advancing a partisan political agenda more than supporting out troops…

Piss poor attempt at a cheap shot, Fit. Any reason why the group cannot do both? It’s not like you have no “partisan political agenda”, ya know.

However I would dare say that da Sheepdogs see the conservative political agenda as an extension of supporting the troops. That you think differently is your right. We do still allow dissent in this country (for now…). However your snide comments do little but show how “intolerant” the liberal/progressives are … all while holding high the banner of “tolerance”, of course.

My understanding was the West Chester rallies were to support the troops. That would also entail supporting friends of America (such as Israel) and opposing enemies of America (Iran, Jihadists, etc.) But it is a reach to say that would extend to protesting ‘The One’s’ economic program.

The other side held sway in West Chester for many years before Rich Davis showed up. They not only protested the war, but President Bush, the American free enterprise system, the life of the unborn, etc. Personally, I see no reason to dilute the pro-troops message by picking other fights.

Yes, I agree with the lady’s sign that BO is talking down the economy.

GaffaUK,

Remember it’s the “libs” who are all angry and hate filled…

@Skye

If you treat a liberal as being responsible for all things that other liberals have done which you disagree with – then can I treat you being responsible for all the bad things that any conservative has done or said?

You are treating the world as if it is in two camps – Conservative or Liberal – as two tribes at war who all think the same within their own camp.

You know the world and individuals ar more complex than that.

I’m not dependent on racial discord, I don’t use violence or condone violence against others who have differeent views, I don’t think I’m particularly xenophobic, I don’t have a blind hatred of freedom and I don’t have a preference of death actually. lol

C’mon lighten up and tried seeing a spectrum of views and distinguish between political badges and people:)

Gaffa, mind if I do a bit of friendly editing on your “list”?? LOL

* Friendly people… check
* Opportunity… under assault… unless you qualify for affirmative action, that is
* Optimism not with daily doom n gloom from the delegator in chief
* Hollywood
* Fast Food… under assault
* Big cities with character
* Countryside and the size of the place
* The history (War of Independence, Civil war, WWII etc)
* English speaking with British roots
* Weather – at least in California/Florida
* Freedom of speech…. under assault from stealth legislation
* Mixture of cultures
* American TV (Sopranos/Lost/Frasier etc)
* American accents… we have “accents”??? LOL yeah, I know. Demographic speak is vast
* American Chinese/Taiwan clothes – jeans etc
* American music (Fleetwood Mac/Simon&Garfunkel/Tori Amos etc)
* Long road trips… under assault when you may be forced into an electric car…
* US humour (Bill Hicks, Emo Philips etc)

I do believe some pertinent excerpts are in order from your link, Ms. Skye.

A new report from the Congressional Budget Office shows why some military retirees and veterans could face higher out-of-pocket costs if the Obama administration and Congress take bold moves to reform the U.S. health system and to make federal health programs more efficient.

Among 115 “options” presented, though not endorsed, in the CBO report, several focus on raising Tricare out-of-pocket costs for retirees and one targets families. Others would tighten access to VA hospitals and clinics, or raise VA health fees, for veterans with no service-connected conditions.

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Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance, but was told by lawmakers that it would be “dead on arrival” if sent to Congress.

No official proposal to create such a program has been announced publicly, but veterans groups wrote a pre-emptive letter last week to President Obama opposing the idea after hearing the plan was under consideration. The groups also noticed an increase in “third-party collections” estimated in the 2010 budget proposal—something they said could only be achieved if the VA started billing for service-related injuries.

Let’s consider that “no official proposal” bit…. Like, for example, how does this affect Obama’s budget math for his civilian health care proposal? i.e. was he counting on increased costs being borne by the US warriors as part of the plan?

Again, the gap between Obama’s proposed spending, and his anticipated revenue, will widen with reality.

BTW, I’m with Mike (much to his chagrin, no doubt… LOL) Where’s the CPAC report, girl?? Surely you and your dancing stillettos have had time to recoup.

Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance

Ummm…

I seem to recall caveats in health care coverage that state that the insurer will not be responsible for injuries which occur as a result of “act of war.”

Now, wouldn’t service-related injuries fall into that category?

BTW, I’m with Mike

Ummm…..

Mike, as in Mike’s America Mike?

Someone should have told me.

Mata: Then cross your fingers that Iraq will not re’escalate along with Afghanistan, and our casualties and injuries rise astronomically.

This I am always crossing my fingers for.

Gaffa, if you’re looking for American cotton in tees, it’s hard to find. Even made in USA jeans has been getting hard to find.

So yes, you are correct in that you are admiring American “style” trends. However, they are not necessarily American made anymore.

But it’s nice to hear that, amidst our many disagreements, you find the “colonialists” admirable in many ways. And we here, across the puddle, hope we can keep it that way.