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Disgusting. God forbid this nutjob is able to pull off anything. If he can, it will be Obama’s fault (though I have no doubt that pinhead won’t try to pass the blame off on someone else like he always does).

I thought Obama + Democrat majority was going to be mighty bad. That’s why I voted for a problematic candidate like McCain, as the only bulwark available. It’s turning out to be even worse than I imagined.

To quote frequent poster Mandy Manners over at LGF: I hope all the people who didn’t vote for McCain because he wasn’t conservative enough are fucking happy now.

I am beginning to think that they really intend to destroy the United States. I am up for whatever Tea Party or similar protest I can get to. At some point I may be up for much more than that. It all depends.

We have to be a force for civilization and the rule of law.

Hey Acting President Obama sees that BJ Clinton skated from responsibility for causing 9/11 so why not.

It’s only been a month, and it is worse than I thought. I really do think the left wants to destroy the USA, but to what end and why, I cannot fathom. I share Sherman’s sentiments – I also backed McCain, because the alternative in Barking Obama was just so bad. Now that obama has extended an invite to palestinians to come here – it will truly get worse.

from the Federal Register:

Presidential Documents
Federal Register / Vol. 74, No. 22 /Wednesday, February 4, 2009 / Presidential Documents 6115
Presidential Determination No. 2009–15 of January 27, 2009
Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related To
Gaza
Memorandum for the Secretary of State
By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the
United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance
Act of 1962 (the ‘‘Act’’), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine,
pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the Act, that it is important to the
national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not
to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and
Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent
refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international,
governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative
expenses of Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the
Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees
and conflict victims in Gaza.
You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal
Register.

Here is the link:

http://frwebgate3.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/TEXTgate.cgi?WAISdocID=15997218479+0+1+0&WAISaction=retrieve

So, what’s the evidence against this guy again?

We have to be a force for civilization and the rule of law.

That’s pretty rich. It was the rule of law that set this guy free. Or does your ‘rule of law’ involve flying suspects around to various other countries so that confessions can be extracted under torture? Don’t know how relevant you think it is, but it was under Bush that the decision was made not to actually try this guy. Maybe the evidence was crap, or maybe the specifics of his case were too embarrassing; regardless, once you decide that you don’t actually want to charge someone, releasing them is a logical next step.

Who issued the order to release this guy, and which of the enemy combatants is due to be released next? What forum does the public have to voice their opinions AND BE HEARD when so much is at stake?

Jeff V

Wm T Sherman,

I got banned from LGF for not agreeing with everything they stand for. It was over the Evolution vs. Creation argument because it wasn’t a debate.

Most of them think conservatives like me cost the election even though I voted for McCain. The core circle at LGF believe the republicans need more moderates which it didn’t turn out will as history tells us.

The only reason McCain lost the election was because of McCain, not the base. Reagan won re-election 49 out of 50 states for being a Conservative, not putting down his own party and going after moderates.

As far as LGF they need to stop acting like Democrats and let people voice their opinions rather silencing differing opinions.

Maybe the next time this guy faces American troops on the battlefield will be breathing his last breathe with Hell opening up underneath him as he passes into eternity.

@ruaqtpi2:

Jeff, From the article linked at the top of this blog story, it was mentioned that Holder was visiting GITMO Monday and they were expecting the release of this terrorist. Don’t know if they meant that it had anything to do with Holder, but farther down in the main story by Thomas Joscelyn, is this:

This review is expected to take some time, but President Obama, who has ordered Guantánamo shuttered within one year of his taking office, is being called on to intervene in Mohamed’s case. Given the public outcry and the pressure from British authorities, Binyam Mohamed may be one of the first detainees whose destiny the new administration will decide.

http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/2009/02/21/binyam-mohamed-the-false-martyr/

Perhaps Holder put the finishing touches on what has been going back and forth between countries.

Though Britian took him back they now have to decide what to do with him because he is not a citizen and his permission to stay in country expired five years ago. He may be free to go anywhere he wants in the very near future.

The above blog has done a few stories regarding this man over the past couple of weeks, I don’t remember if they have archives or a search function. It’s an interesting site.

@b1jetmech:

The core circle at LGF believe the republicans need more moderates which it didn’t turn out will as history tells us.

The only reason McCain lost the election was because of McCain, not the base.

Bullshit. You said it yourself: You held your nose and voted for McCain. Conservatives did come out to bat (whether for McCain, for Palin, or against Obama), because we knew the alternative was far worse.

McCain ran a lousy campaign with an inconsistent message. The timing of the economic crisis in September, his response to it, a media that didn’t do its job, an American public that was Bush-fatigued, all worked against us in this election cycle. Compound that with an uber-candidate that not even a Clinton shoe-in/birth-right nomination could overcome, you have an election that was bigger than laying scapegoating blame on McCain. Any conservative dream candidate would have had an uphill battle to wage this time around. Just look at the messianic-like fervor of Obama supporters; the desire amongst many Americans to see the glass-ceiling break, of putting into office a non-white president.

Like it or not, when the country is split down the middle 50/50, you’re going to need the wishy-washy conservatives like myself and center-right/center-left moderates as well as cross-over Democrat voters to win future elections. You’re not going to win elections by shrinking the party. I do agree, however, that conservative principles and ideology should not be abandoned, but better espoused. Which is why we need a better ‘delivery system”; someone who can charismatically get across the conservative message and make it “hip” and “cool” and attractive. Substance alone isn’t enough without good packaging/marketing- something Obama has in spades (minus the substance).

I really don’t think McCain lost because “he wasn’t conservative enough”. Look at how candidates in state elections who are hard-core conservatives fared even worse than McCain. He lost because Obama ran the better campaign, had the more appealing “packaging” and “message”.

McCain didn’t lose because he isn’t conservative enough; and Obama didn’t win because he’s liberal too much. It all comes down to how you’re able to market the message.

Word: I really don’t think McCain lost because “he wasn’t conservative enough”. Look at how candidates in state elections who are hard-core conservatives fared even worse than McCain. He lost because Obama ran the better campaign, had the more appealing “packaging” and “message”.

McCain didn’t lose because he isn’t conservative enough; and Obama didn’t win because he’s liberal too much. It all comes down to how you’re able to market the message.

Obama won on the conservative promise of tax cuts, and that he wasn’t a Republican and George W. Bush. Oddly enough, McCain made Obama *look* conservative. Scary, eh?

Smooth campaign? Heck yeah. But then just because a used Ferrari car salesman is smooth, doesn’t mean it’s a smart buy for a consumer. Problem is the electorate has a problem with math… along with the Delegator-in-Chief. The tax cuts, combined with the monstrous amount of frivolous spending thus far, and the promised spending to come, will be short lived at best. Even Larry admits you can’t give tax cuts without decreasing spending. And boyo… that ain’t about to happen with a Pelosi/Reid Congress. Spending is what they live for.

So I’ll somewhat agree with the better marketing statement you made. However when you’re marketing lies and toxic policy waste, there is nothing admirable about the outcome. That, of course, will royally PO Larry with the twinkle in eye -increasingly mesmerized with the superficial, Hollywood presentation of political flash. Economically Obama and his Clintonian economic team losers are dangerous. And Obama is not much more effective in foreign policy.

But don’t he look “elegant” doing it?

Feh

bbart: Maybe the evidence was crap, or maybe the specifics of his case were too embarrassing; regardless, once you decide that you don’t actually want to charge someone, releasing them is a logical next step.

The charges against Binyam were dropped last October. This, however, does not mean that the man isn’t guilty as sin. Merely that what they could prove in whatever tribunal or court may not be sufficient. Since then, the US and Brits have been at a standoff on his release. The US was not inclined to want to let him loose. And small wonder.

From a BBC profile, as well as a NYT’s profile both here, and here, the guy was born in Ethiopia, lived in the US for a few years as a teen, moved to Britain, converted to Islam in 2001 and headed to Afghanistan… supposedly to “kick a drug habit”. Yeah… that’s where I’d go as a newly converted Muslim… to the main poppy field in the world.

He was picked up in Pakistan (what? did they have better poppy fields??) in 2002 by British and American intelligence agents, and sent to Morocco where the alleged torture was supposed to happen. Yet the info he gave up in interrogations happened after that time.

In a related development, a veteran military interrogator said Mr. Mohamed had provided him with detailed descriptions of abandoned terrorist training camps and helped to identify suspected terrorists, The Associated Press reported. The unidentified interrogator said he met Mr. Mohamed at an American military base in Afghanistan in 2004, according to an affidavit filed in United States District Court in Washington; this would have been after the time that his lawyers say he spent in a Moroccan prison.

Funny that he knows so much about terrorist training camps in his drug rehab, eh? Yeah… innocent as the pure driven snow. But then, he’s got lots of buds in Britain to hang out with.

@MataHarley: “Larry with the twinkle in eye -increasingly mesmerized with the superficial, Hollywood presentation of political flash.”
AMEN SISTER!

@Wordsmith:
@b1jetmech:

I really hate to be the thread Nanny, but I don’t want this discussion of Obama’s terrorist detention policy to deteriorate into a subject we have already covered on numerous occasions. But I do want to put in my four cents.

Franky though, I don’t see Wordsmith as being all that much of a wishy-washy conservative. He is just more polite than I would be most likely a consequence of living in La La land.

What doomed McCain was the banking collapse and the trap laid by Democrats at the White House after McCain stupidly suspended his campaign then endorsed the first of the bailouts that have now become the drug of choice for big spenders in Washington.

McCain’s polling numbers prior to that had been very encouraging (mostly due to Palin) but just went in the tank and stayed there after McCain fumbled the ball at the White Houe bailout meeting where Reid, Pelosi and Obama were just waiting to sand bag him.

Could McCain have won if the financial collapse had not happened? Hard to say. But one thing is sure, the Dems did everything but cause that collapse to happen and played their cards perfectly when it did.

It’s my strong, and never humble, opinion that elected GOPrs have learned their lesson and the unified presentation of conservative principles we are seeing now in the wake of the stimulus boondoggle is paying off.

Mike,

Your not going to ban me are you???

Ha Ha! Just kidding!

Mike, I don’t mean to drag this on in a thread of a different subject nature.

You all debated this through and through but the debate is far from over over the fact there is a “Civil war” going on in the Republican party. It’s going on between the Conservatives and the moderates, however this isn’t the first time.

This goes back to 1964 when Barry Goldwater won the Republican primary against Rockefeller. In so doing, the moderates left Goldwater out to dry (by not standing by him) and lost the election in a landslide against LBJ. Here we are 45 years later at it again. The Republicans haven’t been themselves for 8 years coupled with McCaine’s, Campaign finance reform, No-to-Gitmo, cap n’ trade on top of cussing out fella Repubs while high fiving Democrats and flip-flop in ideology…it’s wonder why he received 5million votes less the GW Bush in 04′. The chickens have come home to roost for McCaine.

McCaine’s primary victories were mostly won by states whom allowed crossover voters like New Hampshire. On top of that there was Huckabee running interference against Romney allowed McCaine coast to the nomination.

Wordsmith: The country isn’t 50/50 it’s 60/40, 60% conservative/center right. The republican party can’t be “all things” to all people. McCaine tried that and failed.

If we need the moderate vote or Democrat vote we do it by having them come to us not compromise our principles for them. It worked for Reagan we can do it again.

The Republicans who lost this last go-around were mostly moderates in liberals states. They should have sailed through re-election because they were all things to all people but they didn’t.

Okay, sorry for being off subject!

Was this terrorist pardon by the Attorney General? Was this Terrorist member of the FALN?

@b1jetmech: I usually don’t ban people I agree with.

Heck, I don’t ban anyone, even though there are one or two that I would like to but they usually gets sorted out in the wash anyway.

The charges were dropped in October. So they couldn’t take a shot
at it again with him? It seems the covert way the drop was done
was meant to minimize fallout.

BTW BL Jetmech, I just got banned from LGF too. The funny thing is
my views on Creationism are almsot identical to CJ’s.

We probably should continue the discussion on why McCain lost the election, but we shouldn’t hijack this thread to do so.

Does any one of the admins or moderators want to start a new thread?

Jeff V

@ruaqtpi2: Jeff, at this point the cat is out of the bag.

wordsmith: Which is why we need a better ‘delivery system”; someone who can charismatically get across the conservative message and make it “hip” and “cool” and attractive. Substance alone isn’t enough without good packaging/marketing- something Obama has in spades (minus the substance).

Don’t you think the fallout from the Iraq War, Hurricane Katrina, HUGE deficits and the tumbling economy was not part of why the Republican “brand” was tarnished? Hip and cool might get you so far, but see how hip and cool combined with lack of preparation has permanently damaged Sarah Palin.

Who has determined that Sarah Palin has been permanently damaged? Sound like something that the MSM has published as part of their 24 hour per day Democratic propaganda free advertising.
During the last campaign Sarah Palin was the only one who was prepared, IMO.

The MSM is doing what they do best, pushing the Republicans that they think can be beat and trying to destroy the ones that can’t.

pagar: Who has determined that Sarah Palin has been permanently damaged?

I think Gov Palin was permanently damaged. I am not saying that is fair, but it is life. Lets see how well she runs in 2012, if ever.

Hard Right:

How in the world did you get banned from LGF? Were you not backstabbing fellow members of your party?

Mike,

Glad you have a “tolerance” of letting the opposite view have their say in this forum. Because of them doing so, helps us to be steadfast in our ideology.

@b1jetmech: Not all that “tolerant” b1. We’ve had plenty of loons parading around here that were just itching to get smacked down.

And I’m not as nice as Wordsmith and Mata.

b1jetmech, no I wasn’t. I had the nerve to challenge CJ’s belief that the number of
Google results for “Sara Palin Creationist” was NOT proof that creationism was one of the
reasons the GOP lost the election. Well that and having a problem with him being snotty and condescending to me about it. Then after a few of his sycophants down dinged me (right after CJ did), I returned the favor on about 4 posts of one person in particular, but it wasn’t CJ.
That gave him the final excuse to ban someone who is in his words, “in denial.”

I like CJ and many of the people on that site, but I think the relentless creationist attacks have made him hypersensitive, especially when he thinks you might be a closet creationist.
I’m not bashing him, but the way he reacted to my legitimate and civil questions was inappropriate and unlike him. I’ve been pretty active there (approx 3k posts in about 2 years) and wasn’t a trouble maker so I was really taken aback by his attitude. Really tho, it’s ok because I think I had pretty much outgrown the place.
I do agree with him that creationsim is a time bomb that is likely to blow up in the GOPs face in 2012. I also don’t want it taught in schools as science or an alternative to evolution.

@blast:

wordsmith: Which is why we need a better ‘delivery system”; someone who can charismatically get across the conservative message and make it “hip” and “cool” and attractive. Substance alone isn’t enough without good packaging/marketing- something Obama has in spades (minus the substance).

Don’t you think the fallout from the Iraq War, Hurricane Katrina, HUGE deficits and the tumbling economy was not part of why the Republican “brand” was tarnished?

Which is covered in my comment. (Re: “Bush-fatigued” nation).

@b1jetmech:

Wordsmith: The country isn’t 50/50 it’s 60/40, 60% conservative/center right. The republican party can’t be “all things” to all people. McCaine tried that and failed.

Agreed. McCain had an inconsistent message, and I think that might be due to his campaign handlers trying to get him to “say all the right things”. The base were aching for him to hammer Obama hard on his radical ties; when he relented, it was in a half-assed manner, providing fodder for liberals in the media and Democrats to characterize McCain as running a negative campaign. The whole Palin comment about “palling around with terrorists” worked against the McCain campaign, because they never followed through with why it mattered; when McCain finally mentioned Ayers in the debates, it was as though he expected the media to do the public’s homework for them and report to the electorate why the ties mattered- which was more than about what Ayers did in the 60’s. McCain should either not bring the topic up at all, or he should go “all the way” and highlight, underline, and underscore why Ayers mattered.

As far as “republican party can’t be ‘all things’ to all people”, I agree; which is why I said in comment #10 that “conservative principles and ideology should not be abandoned, but better espoused”. Hence my talk about having a “charismatic” “delivery system”.

This may be insulting to the American people, but the truth of the matter is, there are a number of voters who will turn out on Election Day and vote without being well-informed. There’s a reason why campaign slogans like “Country First” and “Hope and Change” become mantras for candidates. Messages often need to be condensed and simplified for public consumption.

From Hugh Hewitt’s 2004 book, Ch14 on Majorities Require the Votes of Some Not-Very-Bright People, pg 85:

Huge numbers of people who simply cannot read a sentence vote in elections.

~~~

Just like the uncomfortable fact that all elections depend upon the votes of grade school and high school dropouts. Except for criminals, everyone gets to vote if they want to. Even though most illiterates don’t vote, vast numbers do as do vast numbers of dropouts.

Elections are decided by people you wouldn’t want to change your oil or make change at the local supermarket.

Which explains why politics requires simple messages.

A lack of education does not mean a lack of character or a lack of patriotism. It can often mean, however, that the individual without much education is not in a position to respond to intricate arguments and big words.

Politics often comes down to slogans and pictures and music because candidates need to communicate with broad ranges of people, some of whom don’t have the mental equipment to deal with policy papers.

The mandatory simplicity of a lot of politics puts off some people.

They want to talk big ideas and they scorn simple speech.

A lot of intellectuals and pseudo-intellectuals fall into the trap of ignoring the need to communicate with every possible voter.

Hence my fixation in this thread on “packaging” and “marketing” the message. We conservatives may think we are the party of ideas and substance, but it does us no good if we are unable to communicate the ideology. The image of the GOP and conservative ideology has been successfully (mis)characterized by its opponents: We’re supposedly the “party of the selfish rich”, “religious nuts”, racists, anti-gay bigots, uncaring of the poor and the homeless, warmongers, anti-environment, and close-minded; a party primarily made up of an “old white men’s” club.

Even though most conservatives I know espouse what I deem to be the correct message of MLK, which is to not obsess over skin-color, unlike Democrats who’s election wins depend upon “the black vote”, from a political standpoint, the Jindals and the Steeles are important to the party….*sigh*….because of skin color. It’s a frustrating paradox. But for the sake of image, the Jindals and the Steeles are important to the future of the GOP, because they are eloquent conduits of conservative principles and ideology. And for the side of the aisle who is still “stuck on race”, they might not be tuned into listening to a Fred Thompson; but they just might prick their ears up for one moment and forget the oreo-throwing to listen to the message of the messenger who is not your stereotypical old, white, rich Republican.

If we need the moderate vote or Democrat vote we do it by having them come to us not compromise our principles for them.

Which is why I’m not too keen on the concept of “bipartisanship”. At least not in the sense that it means diluting oneself of conservativism, creating an inferior and lameduck product.

But when you say “have them come to us”, well of course! But sometimes that does mean “compromise” and exercising “diplomacy”. The “all-or-nothing-at-all” angry conservative who will sit on his hands come election time because a candidate is never “pure” enough for them is childish and will lose us elections. We never agree with anyone 100% of the time. If that’s the candidate we’re looking for, then we should nominate ourselves each time.

When Mike talks of me being “nice” to the opposition, it’s not a matter of me trying to “go along to get along”, as Mike put it in another post somewhere; it’s a matter of exercising “civility” to ultimately get what I want; which is more converts to the conservative cause. You don’t do that by bludgeoning people over the head with your message; you don’t do it by throwing out the moderates and alienating them with insults. Usually when you insult people and resort to name-calling in debates, all you will succeed in doing is make the other person defensive and bunker down rather than listen, ponder, and engage the merits of what you’re actually saying.

The Republicans who lost this last go-around were mostly moderates in liberals states. They should have sailed through re-election because they were all things to all people but they didn’t.

Republicans who fared better than McCain in states with close elections were those candidates perceived, like McCain, as as “independent” or “moderate” (like Lindsey Graham, Gordon Smith, and ….er….Susan Collins- doh!).

In those places where McCain was on the ballot with a local conservative candidate, I don’t recall a single state where a Republican further to the right than McCain ran better than him.

In regards to the claim that McCain received “5million votes less the GW Bush in 04′”, this was due to him losing the votes of self-described independents. The number of Republican voters who turned out was about the same in ’04 as it was in ’08. The base became energized by the Palin-McCain ticket and were highly driven by an anti-Obama fervor.

In order to win elections you need the independent voters and self-described moderates. You don’t do that by pissing away at voters within the party you deem too impure. Yes, there are CINOs that drive me as crazy as they drive you within the Party. But this RINO witch-hunt is somewhat of a losing strategy. More focus should be paid to communicating conservative ideology in an inclusive manner that will attract voters to adopt conservatism in order to “grow the Party”; not shrink it. The way you build a majority is by dealing with people who are different from yourself in a way that will win them over as converts to the conservative movement.

A moderate isn’t a RINO Wordsmith. A RINO is someone with an R next to their name that
Usually votes with the Dems on the most critical issues. Moderates do need to be watched and
even punished when they break away on critical votes. RINOs need to be purged-period.