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		<title>By: Rodney G. Graves</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/17/to-the-maximum-extent-of-the-law-reader-post/#comment-143895</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodney G. Graves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blast

Molon labe.</description>
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<p>Molon labe.</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/17/to-the-maximum-extent-of-the-law-reader-post/#comment-143890</link>
		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and add Robert Fram to the list.</description>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/17/to-the-maximum-extent-of-the-law-reader-post/#comment-143889</link>
		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cute, but I&#039;m not buying it. You ARE indirectly defending him. YOU are saying that the NSA surveillance was illegal. Therefore he did the right thing per your reasoning. Really, I have definitely lost some respect for you. You make post after post showing where you stand, then want me to belive you didn&#039;t mean any of it. Let me make it clear to you, the NSA surveilance was NOT illegal. Tamm deserves to be prosecuted by what he himself has said.

You also defended lawfare with your sarcastic little response. Your ignorance on Lawfare is showing. Google Michael Ratner and Jon Eisenberg to learn something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cute, but I&#8217;m not buying it. You ARE indirectly defending him. YOU are saying that the NSA surveillance was illegal. Therefore he did the right thing per your reasoning. Really, I have definitely lost some respect for you. You make post after post showing where you stand, then want me to belive you didn&#8217;t mean any of it. Let me make it clear to you, the NSA surveilance was NOT illegal. Tamm deserves to be prosecuted by what he himself has said.</p>
<p>You also defended lawfare with your sarcastic little response. Your ignorance on Lawfare is showing. Google Michael Ratner and Jon Eisenberg to learn something.</p>
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		<title>By: blast</title>
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		<dc:creator>blast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hard Right: Your defense of him and “lawfare” is despicable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Find where I defend Tamm...  you won&#039;t find it because I haven&#039;t.  Get your facts straight.

Rod, read my comment #60 to answer you question on Tamm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hard Right: Your defense of him and “lawfare” is despicable.</p></blockquote>
<p>Find where I defend Tamm&#8230;  you won&#8217;t find it because I haven&#8217;t.  Get your facts straight.</p>
<p>Rod, read my comment #60 to answer you question on Tamm.</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blast, he did not follow the proper whistle blower channels. He deserves to be prosecuted. Not to mention he decided on his own it was an illegal program--which was not his place or area of knowledge. There is NO excuse or justification for what he did. PERIOD. Your defense of him and &quot;lawfare&quot; is despicable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blast, he did not follow the proper whistle blower channels. He deserves to be prosecuted. Not to mention he decided on his own it was an illegal program&#8211;which was not his place or area of knowledge. There is NO excuse or justification for what he did. PERIOD. Your defense of him and &#8220;lawfare&#8221; is despicable.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney G. Graves</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/17/to-the-maximum-extent-of-the-law-reader-post/#comment-143871</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodney G. Graves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blasted,

Enough already of your moral equivocations.  Should Thomas Tamm be prosecuted or not.</description>
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<p>Enough already of your moral equivocations.  Should Thomas Tamm be prosecuted or not.</p>
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		<title>By: blast</title>
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		<dc:creator>blast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rodney, enough already.  Do you think the government should have closed down or revoked the FCC licenses of companies that released the Abu Grab photos?  You know their first Amendment protections allowed them to release that scum and it cost American lives.  Well, they didn&#039;t because of the protection.  Was it right to release it, no, but that is how our system works.  And that case I believe actually can be connected to lives lost. 

I don&#039;t buy your argument about the endangering the troops with safeguards on the fourth Amendment. Maybe you trust the government to be honest brokers on all matters, but I don&#039;t.  While you are crusading to save lives, why not take guns away from people in the USA.  There are many people killed with handguns etc, why not take them all away?  Because we have the 2nd Amendment to protect us from the whims of any given leader.  Maybe if they leaked Obama was listening in on &quot;terrorist&quot; groups in the USA and the groups were actually conservative political organizations you might change your mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodney, enough already.  Do you think the government should have closed down or revoked the FCC licenses of companies that released the Abu Grab photos?  You know their first Amendment protections allowed them to release that scum and it cost American lives.  Well, they didn&#8217;t because of the protection.  Was it right to release it, no, but that is how our system works.  And that case I believe actually can be connected to lives lost. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy your argument about the endangering the troops with safeguards on the fourth Amendment. Maybe you trust the government to be honest brokers on all matters, but I don&#8217;t.  While you are crusading to save lives, why not take guns away from people in the USA.  There are many people killed with handguns etc, why not take them all away?  Because we have the 2nd Amendment to protect us from the whims of any given leader.  Maybe if they leaked Obama was listening in on &#8220;terrorist&#8221; groups in the USA and the groups were actually conservative political organizations you might change your mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney G. Graves</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/17/to-the-maximum-extent-of-the-law-reader-post/#comment-143858</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodney G. Graves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blast,

I never claimed to be the only one to have worn the uniform of my country.  You claim to have done so as well, and you should know better than to propose policies which endanger our servicemen.

That makes your position even less forgivable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blast,</p>
<p>I never claimed to be the only one to have worn the uniform of my country.  You claim to have done so as well, and you should know better than to propose policies which endanger our servicemen.</p>
<p>That makes your position even less forgivable.</p>
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		<title>By: blast</title>
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		<dc:creator>blast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MataHarley, your rant was warranted, so no harm no foul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MataHarley, your rant was warranted, so no harm no foul.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/17/to-the-maximum-extent-of-the-law-reader-post/#comment-143853</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the apology, blast.  I apologize for my rant, as normally I&#039;d just let it pass with silence.  But as I said... you were the final straw on finally speaking out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the apology, blast.  I apologize for my rant, as normally I&#8217;d just let it pass with silence.  But as I said&#8230; you were the final straw on finally speaking out.</p>
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		<title>By: blast</title>
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		<dc:creator>blast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rod, you can find whatever you want reprehensible, but you are not the only one to wear the uniform.  I gave my pound of flesh, I have buddies that did not come home, so don&#039;t lecture me on support of the troops I served and did my duty.  They are not only your brothers and sisters in arms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod, you can find whatever you want reprehensible, but you are not the only one to wear the uniform.  I gave my pound of flesh, I have buddies that did not come home, so don&#8217;t lecture me on support of the troops I served and did my duty.  They are not only your brothers and sisters in arms.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney G. Graves</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/17/to-the-maximum-extent-of-the-law-reader-post/#comment-143851</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodney G. Graves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blasted,

Why should a veteran be ashamed of pointing out that the consequences of the positions you hold present a clear danger to my former brothers in arms?  You whine and kvetch about injuries you cannot substantiate, while ignoring the blood price of your own position paid by my brothers and sisters in arms.

I find that reprehensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blasted,</p>
<p>Why should a veteran be ashamed of pointing out that the consequences of the positions you hold present a clear danger to my former brothers in arms?  You whine and kvetch about injuries you cannot substantiate, while ignoring the blood price of your own position paid by my brothers and sisters in arms.</p>
<p>I find that reprehensible.</p>
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		<title>By: blast</title>
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		<dc:creator>blast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;mataharley, And since when is silence to be construed as support, or disgust? Just because some of us don’t want to step into other’s battles, do not be so presumptuous as to assume our opinions of those battles.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are correct, I am a big boy and can speak for myself.  I think a raw nerve was hit by Rod with the insinuation he made about my support for the troops.  

I retract my assertion about about hypocrisy and apologize for making it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>mataharley, And since when is silence to be construed as support, or disgust? Just because some of us don’t want to step into other’s battles, do not be so presumptuous as to assume our opinions of those battles.</p></blockquote>
<p>You are correct, I am a big boy and can speak for myself.  I think a raw nerve was hit by Rod with the insinuation he made about my support for the troops.  </p>
<p>I retract my assertion about about hypocrisy and apologize for making it.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;blast:  The problem here in this blog is when there are disagreements with someone perceived to be “left” folks are silent to point out the hypocrisy. It is always a pile on mentality or be rude and claim to be more American than the next guy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What is this lately... this notion that either we authors, or regulars, are supposed to point out &quot;hypocrisy&quot; (from either left or right commenters)?  I&#039;m sorry, but it this a mandate of some kind?  I must miss that happening at any other blogs... you know, Huffpo, DailyKOs, Firedoglake... hang.... any blog - progressive or conservative.

This is a op-ed posting forum with different degrees of conservative leanings.  The comments are a cyber discussion that expands from that post.  Each and every one of us responds to who, and whatever comment we want.   There are no requirements to either &quot;circle the wagons&quot;, or straighten out a fellow poster.  It&#039;s all done by choice only.   

But I&#039;m getting irritated with the notion by a few that any of us are supposed to play referee for cyber battles... or issue some label of &quot;hypocrisy&quot;...  just so others believe this blog fits their personal &quot;fairness doctrine&quot;..    This comment has been made not only by you, blast... let&#039;s just say you just tipped my patience on this BS.

Sorry... don&#039;t work that way.  

And since when is silence to be construed as support?  Just because some of us don&#039;t want to step into other&#039;s battles, do not be so presumptuous as to assume our opinions of those battles.

It is what it is.  And frankly, I see we have a wider mix of voices  - and generally higher level of discussion (with the exception of a notable few...) - than at most other blogs.

FA is a community of authors and commenters.  And this blanket insult directed to the entire community - merely because someone doesn&#039;t &quot;ride to the rescue&quot; of another to project some warp&#039;ed view of &quot;fairness&quot; -  is unwarranted.  Don&#039;t like the community?  You all know where the saloon door is.  No one is forcibly holding your feet to the bar stool foot rest.

Now back to more snow shoveling.... gotta love this &quot;global warming&quot; crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>blast:  The problem here in this blog is when there are disagreements with someone perceived to be “left” folks are silent to point out the hypocrisy. It is always a pile on mentality or be rude and claim to be more American than the next guy.</p></blockquote>
<p>What is this lately&#8230; this notion that either we authors, or regulars, are supposed to point out &#8220;hypocrisy&#8221; (from either left or right commenters)?  I&#8217;m sorry, but it this a mandate of some kind?  I must miss that happening at any other blogs&#8230; you know, Huffpo, DailyKOs, Firedoglake&#8230; hang&#8230;. any blog &#8211; progressive or conservative.</p>
<p>This is a op-ed posting forum with different degrees of conservative leanings.  The comments are a cyber discussion that expands from that post.  Each and every one of us responds to who, and whatever comment we want.   There are no requirements to either &#8220;circle the wagons&#8221;, or straighten out a fellow poster.  It&#8217;s all done by choice only.   </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m getting irritated with the notion by a few that any of us are supposed to play referee for cyber battles&#8230; or issue some label of &#8220;hypocrisy&#8221;&#8230;  just so others believe this blog fits their personal &#8220;fairness doctrine&#8221;..    This comment has been made not only by you, blast&#8230; let&#8217;s just say you just tipped my patience on this BS.</p>
<p>Sorry&#8230; don&#8217;t work that way.  </p>
<p>And since when is silence to be construed as support?  Just because some of us don&#8217;t want to step into other&#8217;s battles, do not be so presumptuous as to assume our opinions of those battles.</p>
<p>It is what it is.  And frankly, I see we have a wider mix of voices  &#8211; and generally higher level of discussion (with the exception of a notable few&#8230;) &#8211; than at most other blogs.</p>
<p>FA is a community of authors and commenters.  And this blanket insult directed to the entire community &#8211; merely because someone doesn&#8217;t &#8220;ride to the rescue&#8221; of another to project some warp&#8217;ed view of &#8220;fairness&#8221; &#8211;  is unwarranted.  Don&#8217;t like the community?  You all know where the saloon door is.  No one is forcibly holding your feet to the bar stool foot rest.</p>
<p>Now back to more snow shoveling&#8230;. gotta love this &#8220;global warming&#8221; crap.</p>
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		<title>By: blast</title>
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		<dc:creator>blast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rod, you continue to shamelessly bring up the troops as your cover in a pathetic way.  You have no right to invoke their honor to suit your partisan view.  You might not like the language I used as a reaction to your misappropriation of the honor of the troops, but I stand behind it, you are an asshole for both invoking them and not retracting your statement.  Like I said before you have no shame.  

I read the article and was not defending Tamm, I did not make one statement about him or his actions.  So you need to pay attention and stop assuming, jumping to conclusions and going off have cocked.  Unlike you, I am not going to make some sweeping judgment without knowing more of the facts.  Oh, I forgot you are a know-it-all and don&#039;t need all of the facts.  

One last thing.  It seems like sport for you to attempt to diminish me with your bogus claim about my feelings for our service men and women.  Why try to sucker punch someone online with such a powerful statement as, &quot;I don’t know you. All I know is what you post here which is manifestly uncaring towards the lives of our service members.&quot; That seriously is about the lowest crap I have heard dished out online.  I hope people who read your posts see how caviler you are by continuing to speak in that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod, you continue to shamelessly bring up the troops as your cover in a pathetic way.  You have no right to invoke their honor to suit your partisan view.  You might not like the language I used as a reaction to your misappropriation of the honor of the troops, but I stand behind it, you are an asshole for both invoking them and not retracting your statement.  Like I said before you have no shame.  </p>
<p>I read the article and was not defending Tamm, I did not make one statement about him or his actions.  So you need to pay attention and stop assuming, jumping to conclusions and going off have cocked.  Unlike you, I am not going to make some sweeping judgment without knowing more of the facts.  Oh, I forgot you are a know-it-all and don&#8217;t need all of the facts.  </p>
<p>One last thing.  It seems like sport for you to attempt to diminish me with your bogus claim about my feelings for our service men and women.  Why try to sucker punch someone online with such a powerful statement as, &#8220;I don’t know you. All I know is what you post here which is manifestly uncaring towards the lives of our service members.&#8221; That seriously is about the lowest crap I have heard dished out online.  I hope people who read your posts see how caviler you are by continuing to speak in that way.</p>
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