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	<title>Comments on: Fannie &amp; Freddie hearings &#8211; &#8220;feel good&#8221; dance to bury the truth</title>
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		<title>By: Rocky_B</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/fannie-freddie-hearings-feel-good-dance-to-bury-the-truth/#comment-139889</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocky_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve;
Oh agreed on the high prices in Europe. Even as far back as 1989 when I was in Iceland. You didn&#039;t buy gas or goods off base because the exchange rate in their economy for everything set prices at 3 times what one would reasonably pay in the states. NATO ally visitors to Keflavic NAS I talked to were also very surprised at the prices we paid on base compared to what they paid back home. And Keflavic purchased it&#039;s fuel for vehicles and our aircraft from the USSR. It&#039;s rather ironic that same aircraft fuel was being used to intercept and escort their Migs &amp; Bear aircraft testing our defenses, but that&#039;s another story.

Granted Iceland&#039;s minimum wage at the time was over $20 (U.S.) per hour. I haven&#039;t seen the breakdown of why gas prices in Europe are so high, perhaps someone following this thread could provide that info, but IMO the driving forces for the high gas prices in Europe is taxation and lack of natural resources (where America is hardly in that same category, which I&#039;ll explain next). I also agree the Dems would just love to increase gas prices with additional taxes to European standards. That was one of the issues (Global Warming &amp; Environmentalist suggestions the U.S. should raise gasoline prices to $10 per gallon through taxes) posed by Tom Brocaw in his interview with Obama, who gave Tom a, &quot;you sonofabitch&quot; look, then proceeded to dodge the question.  

There is big problem with Dems justifying such taxation measures and that is our own national reserves. I&#039;m old enough to remember Nixon giving a SOTU &amp; addressing the issue in Cold War terms. He told the American people that we had enough capped-off oil reserves estimated to operate this country WITHOUT ANY use of foreign imports for at least 60 years (at our then current rate of consumption). However, he stated those reserves would remain capped for strategic and emergency reasons (to keep America capable of remaining self sufficienct during an extended world block-aid, sanctions, or similar crisis). The other part of the strategy was that eventually after every other countries oil supplies ran dry. America would become the new world source for crude oil. As I understand it, the owners of the land where we have capped off reserves are paid a subsidy much like farmers are to keep fields fallow. These reserves do not even take into consideration the oil under Alaska or offshore. In truth, North America is one of the richest of continents in untapped resources. The others are Africa &amp; South America. Even if the myth, were correct that it would take 10 years before we could see any oil out Alaska. If it were not for the fact that we have become complacent in the construction of new refineries, we could cut off all foreign oil imports NOW, use our reserves and never experience any interruption in oil supply before Alaskan oil started flowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve;<br />
Oh agreed on the high prices in Europe. Even as far back as 1989 when I was in Iceland. You didn&#8217;t buy gas or goods off base because the exchange rate in their economy for everything set prices at 3 times what one would reasonably pay in the states. NATO ally visitors to Keflavic NAS I talked to were also very surprised at the prices we paid on base compared to what they paid back home. And Keflavic purchased it&#8217;s fuel for vehicles and our aircraft from the USSR. It&#8217;s rather ironic that same aircraft fuel was being used to intercept and escort their Migs &amp; Bear aircraft testing our defenses, but that&#8217;s another story.</p>
<p>Granted Iceland&#8217;s minimum wage at the time was over $20 (U.S.) per hour. I haven&#8217;t seen the breakdown of why gas prices in Europe are so high, perhaps someone following this thread could provide that info, but IMO the driving forces for the high gas prices in Europe is taxation and lack of natural resources (where America is hardly in that same category, which I&#8217;ll explain next). I also agree the Dems would just love to increase gas prices with additional taxes to European standards. That was one of the issues (Global Warming &amp; Environmentalist suggestions the U.S. should raise gasoline prices to $10 per gallon through taxes) posed by Tom Brocaw in his interview with Obama, who gave Tom a, &#8220;you sonofabitch&#8221; look, then proceeded to dodge the question.  </p>
<p>There is big problem with Dems justifying such taxation measures and that is our own national reserves. I&#8217;m old enough to remember Nixon giving a SOTU &amp; addressing the issue in Cold War terms. He told the American people that we had enough capped-off oil reserves estimated to operate this country WITHOUT ANY use of foreign imports for at least 60 years (at our then current rate of consumption). However, he stated those reserves would remain capped for strategic and emergency reasons (to keep America capable of remaining self sufficienct during an extended world block-aid, sanctions, or similar crisis). The other part of the strategy was that eventually after every other countries oil supplies ran dry. America would become the new world source for crude oil. As I understand it, the owners of the land where we have capped off reserves are paid a subsidy much like farmers are to keep fields fallow. These reserves do not even take into consideration the oil under Alaska or offshore. In truth, North America is one of the richest of continents in untapped resources. The others are Africa &amp; South America. Even if the myth, were correct that it would take 10 years before we could see any oil out Alaska. If it were not for the fact that we have become complacent in the construction of new refineries, we could cut off all foreign oil imports NOW, use our reserves and never experience any interruption in oil supply before Alaskan oil started flowing.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rowland</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/fannie-freddie-hearings-feel-good-dance-to-bury-the-truth/#comment-139765</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Rowland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rocky: I stand corrected.....apologies to Mata :-)   But don&#039;t forget Europe has been paying high prices for ages and it is said that the US pay&#039;s artifically low. of course, there are specific reasons the gas is lower in the US, but the Democrats have had advisers for years that the US policies should be set that forces the US to gradually fall in line with European prices and that&#039;s part of what they have been clandestinely trying to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rocky: I stand corrected&#8230;..apologies to Mata <img src='http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />    But don&#8217;t forget Europe has been paying high prices for ages and it is said that the US pay&#8217;s artifically low. of course, there are specific reasons the gas is lower in the US, but the Democrats have had advisers for years that the US policies should be set that forces the US to gradually fall in line with European prices and that&#8217;s part of what they have been clandestinely trying to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rowland</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/fannie-freddie-hearings-feel-good-dance-to-bury-the-truth/#comment-139764</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Rowland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mata: I stand corrected.  :-)  Tkx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mata: I stand corrected.  <img src='http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Tkx.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky_B</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/fannie-freddie-hearings-feel-good-dance-to-bury-the-truth/#comment-139412</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocky_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to follow up on HR, The Dems were in control of Congress for How Long prior to the Republicans got their short time of control (which was certainly not filibuster-proof and only a slight majority ONLY if you include the RINOS as Republicans)? Going back to the days of FDR if I recall correctly.

The Media certainly was scoffing then too stating that those elections were not a mandate from the people they were on board with the &quot;Contract With America&quot;. But yeah, best Libs continue sipping their Koolaid, coloring, and cheering for their &quot;real life&quot; cartoon hero Obama, while the Grown-ups talk about real issues.

BTW Steve; 
Gas prices are not artificially low. They were artificially high before. OPEC countries took a big loss along with the rest of the world &amp; were also seriously damaged financially by America&#039;s market failures and bail-outs. &quot;The Donald&quot; came out when people were still talking about the first bail-out deal and predicted a silver lining and oil prices would plummet if it didn&#039;t get signed the first time. The reason the prices continued to drop was the &quot;Domino Effect&quot; of our market, upon the rest of the world:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,430583,00.html

The hurricane bought oil companies a little time to continue trying to keep them artificially high for a few weeks, but once it dropped to under $100 a barrel, consumer demands upon local governments to look into prosecution for those guilty of price gouging forced them to give it up &amp; cut the crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to follow up on HR, The Dems were in control of Congress for How Long prior to the Republicans got their short time of control (which was certainly not filibuster-proof and only a slight majority ONLY if you include the RINOS as Republicans)? Going back to the days of FDR if I recall correctly.</p>
<p>The Media certainly was scoffing then too stating that those elections were not a mandate from the people they were on board with the &#8220;Contract With America&#8221;. But yeah, best Libs continue sipping their Koolaid, coloring, and cheering for their &#8220;real life&#8221; cartoon hero Obama, while the Grown-ups talk about real issues.</p>
<p>BTW Steve;<br />
Gas prices are not artificially low. They were artificially high before. OPEC countries took a big loss along with the rest of the world &amp; were also seriously damaged financially by America&#8217;s market failures and bail-outs. &#8220;The Donald&#8221; came out when people were still talking about the first bail-out deal and predicted a silver lining and oil prices would plummet if it didn&#8217;t get signed the first time. The reason the prices continued to drop was the &#8220;Domino Effect&#8221; of our market, upon the rest of the world:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,430583,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,430583,00.html</a></p>
<p>The hurricane bought oil companies a little time to continue trying to keep them artificially high for a few weeks, but once it dropped to under $100 a barrel, consumer demands upon local governments to look into prosecution for those guilty of price gouging forced them to give it up &amp; cut the crap.</p>
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		<title>By: The Truth About Fannie and Freddie - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/fannie-freddie-hearings-feel-good-dance-to-bury-the-truth/#comment-139081</link>
		<dc:creator>The Truth About Fannie and Freddie - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MataHarley at the right-wing site Flopping Aces couldn&#8217;t agree more: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/fannie-freddie-hearings-feel-good-dance-to-bury-the-truth/#comment-139067</link>
		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I am trying to be nicer when they make a post that isn&#039;t hateful or pure leftwing propaganda. I don&#039;t want to run off those of a more open mind who wish to debate, but don&#039;t know the idiot poster like we do. This is a great site and I don&#039;t want to someone who hurts it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am trying to be nicer when they make a post that isn&#8217;t hateful or pure leftwing propaganda. I don&#8217;t want to run off those of a more open mind who wish to debate, but don&#8217;t know the idiot poster like we do. This is a great site and I don&#8217;t want to someone who hurts it.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/fannie-freddie-hearings-feel-good-dance-to-bury-the-truth/#comment-139049</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting find in that Reuters article, Missy.... altho they are not necessarily a renegotiation of subprime mortgages.   Afterall, after the restructuring, they were no longer subprime mortgages...

Instead it proves that any renegotations with an insolvent buyer who should have never gotten either 1:  a loan for the amount they did, or 2: at all... isn&#039;t working.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Dugan said recent data showed that after three months, nearly 36 percent of borrowers who received restructured mortgages in the first quarter re-defaulted.

The rate of re-default jumped to about 53 percent after six months and 58 percent after eight months, Dugan said, without providing an explanation for the trend.

Regulators speaking at an OTS-housing forum did not provide any explanations for the causes behind the data.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve said many times that the foreclosures aren&#039;t really the base problem.  It&#039;s the fact that the banks can&#039;t foreclose on the home for the note value (which they paid out at closing...) and recouperate that same amount (less the foreclosure costs which they can write off) on a resale because of the abnormal inflation on housing prices.  Otherwise just swap one insolvent buyer for a solvent buyer, as we&#039;ve done for decades.  Not possible anymore.

Hard Right?  Can&#039;t believe you had the patience to respond to John Ryan...  someone that ill-informed and partisan is the type I generally use a can of Raid on.  Kudos to your kindness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting find in that Reuters article, Missy&#8230;. altho they are not necessarily a renegotiation of subprime mortgages.   Afterall, after the restructuring, they were no longer subprime mortgages&#8230;</p>
<p>Instead it proves that any renegotations with an insolvent buyer who should have never gotten either 1:  a loan for the amount they did, or 2: at all&#8230; isn&#8217;t working.</p>
<blockquote><p>Dugan said recent data showed that after three months, nearly 36 percent of borrowers who received restructured mortgages in the first quarter re-defaulted.</p>
<p>The rate of re-default jumped to about 53 percent after six months and 58 percent after eight months, Dugan said, without providing an explanation for the trend.</p>
<p>Regulators speaking at an OTS-housing forum did not provide any explanations for the causes behind the data.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve said many times that the foreclosures aren&#8217;t really the base problem.  It&#8217;s the fact that the banks can&#8217;t foreclose on the home for the note value (which they paid out at closing&#8230;) and recouperate that same amount (less the foreclosure costs which they can write off) on a resale because of the abnormal inflation on housing prices.  Otherwise just swap one insolvent buyer for a solvent buyer, as we&#8217;ve done for decades.  Not possible anymore.</p>
<p>Hard Right?  Can&#8217;t believe you had the patience to respond to John Ryan&#8230;  someone that ill-informed and partisan is the type I generally use a can of Raid on.  Kudos to your kindness.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rowland</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/fannie-freddie-hearings-feel-good-dance-to-bury-the-truth/#comment-139045</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Rowland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the entire scenario just now with gas at artificially low prices due to manipulation (imho) is to keep us fat, lazy, and happy. We as individuals don&#039;t really feel the pain and scope of the billions that are created and doled out simply with the push of a key. We can&#039;t see it or feel it, we simply fork out that check every April 15, and go about our business. Now, GAS! Gas is something that we feel in our pocketbook practically every day. What better way to keep the heat down than to keep the consumers off the backs of the politicians and since gas is the immediate quick fix, and is sold on the commodities market, and the entire world is needing a fix, get the gas down and everyone is fat, lazy, and happy, those wasted billions are in far off never never land.

John Ryan: when did a Republican have control of the workings of Fannie and Freddie, besides, regardless of the &#039;number of years&#039;, both McCain and Bush tried repeatedly in the past years to get the Democrats to regulate that thing and Old Barney refused. Tough, huh,  it would be a cakewalk if the MSM was not trying to keep the heat off the Democrats 24/7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the entire scenario just now with gas at artificially low prices due to manipulation (imho) is to keep us fat, lazy, and happy. We as individuals don&#8217;t really feel the pain and scope of the billions that are created and doled out simply with the push of a key. We can&#8217;t see it or feel it, we simply fork out that check every April 15, and go about our business. Now, GAS! Gas is something that we feel in our pocketbook practically every day. What better way to keep the heat down than to keep the consumers off the backs of the politicians and since gas is the immediate quick fix, and is sold on the commodities market, and the entire world is needing a fix, get the gas down and everyone is fat, lazy, and happy, those wasted billions are in far off never never land.</p>
<p>John Ryan: when did a Republican have control of the workings of Fannie and Freddie, besides, regardless of the &#8216;number of years&#8217;, both McCain and Bush tried repeatedly in the past years to get the Democrats to regulate that thing and Old Barney refused. Tough, huh,  it would be a cakewalk if the MSM was not trying to keep the heat off the Democrats 24/7.</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/fannie-freddie-hearings-feel-good-dance-to-bury-the-truth/#comment-139042</link>
		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, it took only a few RINOs to tip the balance. You are correct, tho. With the MSM acting as the dem propaganda machine the truth will not see the light of day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, it took only a few RINOs to tip the balance. You are correct, tho. With the MSM acting as the dem propaganda machine the truth will not see the light of day.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/fannie-freddie-hearings-feel-good-dance-to-bury-the-truth/#comment-139030</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The republicans were in control of Congress for a long long time prior to 2006. The republicans were in control of the white House from 2000 and still are. trying to pin this on the Democrats is going to be tough to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The republicans were in control of Congress for a long long time prior to 2006. The republicans were in control of the white House from 2000 and still are. trying to pin this on the Democrats is going to be tough to do.</p>
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		<title>By: luva the scissors</title>
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		<dc:creator>luva the scissors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we need to stop the madness, stop handing out our money.  we need to say enough is enough.  i couldn&#039;t run my household like this, it is irresponsible and stupid.  when will our &quot;leaders&quot; stand up and say that they were wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we need to stop the madness, stop handing out our money.  we need to say enough is enough.  i couldn&#8217;t run my household like this, it is irresponsible and stupid.  when will our &#8220;leaders&#8221; stand up and say that they were wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How nice, it&#039;s all working so well. sarc  Most of the defaults mentioned in this reuters article are of the sub-prime flavor.  Guess we should just pay off their houses and be done with it.  more sarc.


&quot;However, data which is to be issued by the OCC and the Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS) next week could throw cold water on a push by some U.S. policymakers for loan modifications as the key remedy for the ailing U.S. financial and economic crisis. 

Dugan said recent data showed that after three months, nearly 36 percent of borrowers who received restructured mortgages in the first quarter re-defaulted. 

The rate of re-default jumped to about 53 percent after six months and 58 percent after eight months, Dugan said, without providing an explanation for the trend. 

Regulators speaking at an OTS-housing forum did not provide any explanations for the causes behind the data. &quot;





http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Housing/idUSTRE4B75A220081208</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How nice, it&#8217;s all working so well. sarc  Most of the defaults mentioned in this reuters article are of the sub-prime flavor.  Guess we should just pay off their houses and be done with it.  more sarc.</p>
<p>&#8220;However, data which is to be issued by the OCC and the Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS) next week could throw cold water on a push by some U.S. policymakers for loan modifications as the key remedy for the ailing U.S. financial and economic crisis. </p>
<p>Dugan said recent data showed that after three months, nearly 36 percent of borrowers who received restructured mortgages in the first quarter re-defaulted. </p>
<p>The rate of re-default jumped to about 53 percent after six months and 58 percent after eight months, Dugan said, without providing an explanation for the trend. </p>
<p>Regulators speaking at an OTS-housing forum did not provide any explanations for the causes behind the data. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Housing/idUSTRE4B75A220081208" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Housing/idUSTRE4B75A220081208</a></p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/fannie-freddie-hearings-feel-good-dance-to-bury-the-truth/#comment-138940</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I forgot to mention in my original post that both Fannie and Freddie are getting ready to ask for their second bailout money....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I forgot to mention in my original post that both Fannie and Freddie are getting ready to ask for their second bailout money&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/fannie-freddie-hearings-feel-good-dance-to-bury-the-truth/#comment-138939</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, Bill, I think all of Congress is going to join hands, sing kumbayah and do a collective &quot;duck&quot; on this one...  with the exception of the few voices who remained constant on echoing the warnings from 2003-2006.   Very few have a politically clean bill of health on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, Bill, I think all of Congress is going to join hands, sing kumbayah and do a collective &#8220;duck&#8221; on this one&#8230;  with the exception of the few voices who remained constant on echoing the warnings from 2003-2006.   Very few have a politically clean bill of health on this.</p>
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		<title>By: bill-tb</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/11/fannie-freddie-hearings-feel-good-dance-to-bury-the-truth/#comment-138937</link>
		<dc:creator>bill-tb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the GSEs had not given the &quot;full faith and credit stamp&quot; to the mortgages, the derivatives would have never existed -- No one would have been that dumb.

Do you think the Reps are just going along, or are they trying to get to the truth. It&#039;s an open question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the GSEs had not given the &#8220;full faith and credit stamp&#8221; to the mortgages, the derivatives would have never existed &#8212; No one would have been that dumb.</p>
<p>Do you think the Reps are just going along, or are they trying to get to the truth. It&#8217;s an open question.</p>
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