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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Palin Power&#8221; Holds Georgia Senate Seat and Filibuster for GOP</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Rowland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Rowland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JeffUSMC:

Well, I&#039;m proud that Georgia dissed the Great Anointed. These &#039;Soutners&#039; do think for themselves and see what a empty suit we have ready to inhabit the oval office. The US of A is going to get what it deserves, since he was asked for, get ready to bend over.</description>
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<p>Well, I&#8217;m proud that Georgia dissed the Great Anointed. These &#8216;Soutners&#8217; do think for themselves and see what a empty suit we have ready to inhabit the oval office. The US of A is going to get what it deserves, since he was asked for, get ready to bend over.</p>
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		<title>By: wesmorgan1</title>
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		<dc:creator>wesmorgan1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:&lt;blockquote&gt;Martin campaigns with gangsta rappers. That might get you a handful of young thug votes but it surely loses you hundreds more white votes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;First McCain runs with Daddy Yankee, now this...collectively, they just don&#039;t get it, do they?  *laugh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:<br />
<blockquote>Martin campaigns with gangsta rappers. That might get you a handful of young thug votes but it surely loses you hundreds more white votes.</p></blockquote>
<p>First McCain runs with Daddy Yankee, now this&#8230;collectively, they just don&#8217;t get it, do they?  *laugh*</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff: Would you rather we had lost?</description>
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		<title>By: JeffUSMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffUSMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is *awesome* that Republicans can hold a seat in Georgia, of all places. That we won in November. Hooah! Go Republicans!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is *awesome* that Republicans can hold a seat in Georgia, of all places. That we won in November. Hooah! Go Republicans!!</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geeze....you Palin naysayers, keep smokin it, REALLY, keep smokin it. 

She&#039;s been in the spotlight for three months, from a remote state, overhandled by the mangers, backstabbed by malcontents, where the MSM and detractors have been trying to define her (not to mention the political hit squads).  You say she only &quot;attracts to the base&quot; but without that, she no future in the party (something McCain forgot, hence her recruitment).  Give me a friggin break boyos.  She just got to the dance....let the cards play out a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geeze&#8230;.you Palin naysayers, keep smokin it, REALLY, keep smokin it. </p>
<p>She&#8217;s been in the spotlight for three months, from a remote state, overhandled by the mangers, backstabbed by malcontents, where the MSM and detractors have been trying to define her (not to mention the political hit squads).  You say she only &#8220;attracts to the base&#8221; but without that, she no future in the party (something McCain forgot, hence her recruitment).  Give me a friggin break boyos.  She just got to the dance&#8230;.let the cards play out a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ric,


What RINO from Nebraska?  Hagel is bye-bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric,</p>
<p>What RINO from Nebraska?  Hagel is bye-bye.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nit Wit: Among other things I have actually worked for a member of the U.S. Senate. So I might know a little bit about it.

Larry: Anyway you want to spin it you cannot deny that if Chambliss had lost the press would be blaming Palin and claiming Obama was responsible for Martin&#039;s victory.

Since that did not happen, it&#039;s not unreasonable to give Palin some of the credit and to reflect on the fact that Obama&#039;s effort was for naught.

I suggest you stop spinning before you get dizzy and fall down or become disoriented like Fit Fit.

Missy: Thanks for that link to Red State. That video reminds me of Fit Fit for some reason. The photo, which the Boston Globe story cited above also used was interesting:

&lt;img src=&quot;http://jeffemanuel.net/files/martin-rappers.jpg&quot;/&gt;

Martin campaigns with gangsta rappers. That might get you a handful of young thug votes but it surely loses you hundreds more white votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nit Wit: Among other things I have actually worked for a member of the U.S. Senate. So I might know a little bit about it.</p>
<p>Larry: Anyway you want to spin it you cannot deny that if Chambliss had lost the press would be blaming Palin and claiming Obama was responsible for Martin&#8217;s victory.</p>
<p>Since that did not happen, it&#8217;s not unreasonable to give Palin some of the credit and to reflect on the fact that Obama&#8217;s effort was for naught.</p>
<p>I suggest you stop spinning before you get dizzy and fall down or become disoriented like Fit Fit.</p>
<p>Missy: Thanks for that link to Red State. That video reminds me of Fit Fit for some reason. The photo, which the Boston Globe story cited above also used was interesting:</p>
<p><img src="http://jeffemanuel.net/files/martin-rappers.jpg"/></p>
<p>Martin campaigns with gangsta rappers. That might get you a handful of young thug votes but it surely loses you hundreds more white votes.</p>
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		<title>By: wesmorgan1</title>
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		<dc:creator>wesmorgan1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, Governor Palin certainly energizes the GOP base; there&#039;s no doubt of that.  She does not, however, energize moderates or independents in her favor.  She plays well to packed GOP houses--perhaps &quot;packed to order&quot; would be a better term, since we&#039;re talking about the party faithful, yes?--but she didn&#039;t do a great deal for the larger electorate.

Having said all of this, there&#039;s no doubt that she helped Chambliss.  Runoff elections are notorious for low turnout, and Martin couldn&#039;t sustain the bounce he got from early/absentee voting to create the runoff in the first place.  If you go read some of the blogs on the left side, they were as surprised as you on Election Day.  Palin definitely kept some GOP faithful in line to vote for the runoff.

I don&#039;t think this was an &quot;all-out effort&quot; by Obama, since he didn&#039;t even show up in Georgia.  Frankly, I think that such was a smart move on his part; if he played the &quot;let&#039;s get 60!&quot; game, it would have come across as a total power grab.  If I had to guess, he&#039;s playing hands-off in GA and MN (and the other still-undecided spots; there are a few) for a very specific reason; he&#039;s sustaining the &quot;post-partisan&quot; meme that won the election for him.  He is NOT the political neophyte as which he has been characterized.

All in all, it was a fairly typical runoff situation.  Runoffs usually tend to favor incumbents more than do general elections, even dirtball incumbents--think Jefferson in LA--and Chambliss fit the mold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, Governor Palin certainly energizes the GOP base; there&#8217;s no doubt of that.  She does not, however, energize moderates or independents in her favor.  She plays well to packed GOP houses&#8211;perhaps &#8220;packed to order&#8221; would be a better term, since we&#8217;re talking about the party faithful, yes?&#8211;but she didn&#8217;t do a great deal for the larger electorate.</p>
<p>Having said all of this, there&#8217;s no doubt that she helped Chambliss.  Runoff elections are notorious for low turnout, and Martin couldn&#8217;t sustain the bounce he got from early/absentee voting to create the runoff in the first place.  If you go read some of the blogs on the left side, they were as surprised as you on Election Day.  Palin definitely kept some GOP faithful in line to vote for the runoff.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this was an &#8220;all-out effort&#8221; by Obama, since he didn&#8217;t even show up in Georgia.  Frankly, I think that such was a smart move on his part; if he played the &#8220;let&#8217;s get 60!&#8221; game, it would have come across as a total power grab.  If I had to guess, he&#8217;s playing hands-off in GA and MN (and the other still-undecided spots; there are a few) for a very specific reason; he&#8217;s sustaining the &#8220;post-partisan&#8221; meme that won the election for him.  He is NOT the political neophyte as which he has been characterized.</p>
<p>All in all, it was a fairly typical runoff situation.  Runoffs usually tend to favor incumbents more than do general elections, even dirtball incumbents&#8211;think Jefferson in LA&#8211;and Chambliss fit the mold.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry,

Boy you are a sore loser.   I have never met anyone with such intense insincerity.   Would it kill you to recognize that Sarah can reallly pack the house everywhere she goes and energize everyone?   Is your ego as big as Obama or what?   Like attracts like... they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry,</p>
<p>Boy you are a sore loser.   I have never met anyone with such intense insincerity.   Would it kill you to recognize that Sarah can reallly pack the house everywhere she goes and energize everyone?   Is your ego as big as Obama or what?   Like attracts like&#8230; they say.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe you need to spend more time in reality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re the one so caught up in the tribalism of partisan politics that you talk like you&#039;re a member of the Senate.  Kinda sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maybe you need to spend more time in reality.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re the one so caught up in the tribalism of partisan politics that you talk like you&#8217;re a member of the Senate.  Kinda sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Weisenthal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Weisenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Besides, I was there. I saw the energy that Palin generated and even McCain had been to Georgia for Chambliss and couldn’t match it. The salue to our troops got bigger applause then when John McCain’s name was mentioned.

Obama not only cut an ad for Martin, if you read the Boston Globe article you will note that he lent his offices and staff. Clinton and Gore went to the state (if Gore was here that explains the record cold front). Hundreds of Obama people from all over the country poured into the state.

Any way you want to spin it Larry this was a stop Obama vote.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Let&#039;s take things in order:

1. Impact of Palin.  There is no doubt that Palin currently inspires the most loyal segment of the GOP base.  That is proven by her very fervent supporters on this blog. Georgia is a deeply red state.  Democrats have no business being close in a state-wide election.  What happened on the day of the Presidential election was an aberration.  There was an enormous African-American turnout and there was a sizable youth (age 18-29) vote.  We have to see what the demographics of the run-off election show. I&#039;ll wager that they showed a dramatic fall off in turnout among both African Americans and in younger voters.  I&#039;ll wager that this accounted for most of the increased margin in the vote for Chambliss; so it wasn&#039;t so much Palin bringing voters to Chambliss as it was Obama failing to bring voters for Martin.  But I do concede that Palin did probably bring out some increased numbers of the GOP base.  It will take a study of the voting demographics to determine if Chambliss owes more to Republicans coming out or to Democrats staying home.

2. Effort Obama made.  This wasn&#039;t anything like an &quot;all out effort.&quot;  Martin asked Obama to come and campaign.  Obama stayed in Chicago.  With regard to the Obama volunteers going to Georgia, this was a token effort, at best.  There were literally thousands of Obama volunteers from California who descended on tiny Nevada, for weeks before the election, right on up to the day of the election.  This sort of effort was made in all of the battleground states.  Not so in the Georgia run-off.

3. The so-called &quot;stop Obama&quot; vote:  As I stated in my original post, I&#039;m sure that a good portion of the votes were cast to deny the Democrats a filibuster-proof Senate majority.  This is by no means a repudiation of Obama, who&#039;s approval rating has &lt;strong&gt;increased substantially&lt;/strong&gt; since his election.  

Were this a referendum on Obama, Martin would have again been very close to Chambliss.  Instead, it&#039;s just a reflection that wise voters (including my immodest self) don&#039;t like seeing one party have a filibuster-proof margin in the Senate, with the same party also holding the House and the Presidency.  Again, I&#039;m proof of the principle that a great many voters don&#039;t want to see too much power concentrated in one political party, as evidenced by my votes for both Barack Obama and (hard right GOPer) Dana Rohrabacher (California did not elect a Senator, in the recent election).

- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Besides, I was there. I saw the energy that Palin generated and even McCain had been to Georgia for Chambliss and couldn’t match it. The salue to our troops got bigger applause then when John McCain’s name was mentioned.</p>
<p>Obama not only cut an ad for Martin, if you read the Boston Globe article you will note that he lent his offices and staff. Clinton and Gore went to the state (if Gore was here that explains the record cold front). Hundreds of Obama people from all over the country poured into the state.</p>
<p>Any way you want to spin it Larry this was a stop Obama vote.</p></blockquote>
<p>Let&#8217;s take things in order:</p>
<p>1. Impact of Palin.  There is no doubt that Palin currently inspires the most loyal segment of the GOP base.  That is proven by her very fervent supporters on this blog. Georgia is a deeply red state.  Democrats have no business being close in a state-wide election.  What happened on the day of the Presidential election was an aberration.  There was an enormous African-American turnout and there was a sizable youth (age 18-29) vote.  We have to see what the demographics of the run-off election show. I&#8217;ll wager that they showed a dramatic fall off in turnout among both African Americans and in younger voters.  I&#8217;ll wager that this accounted for most of the increased margin in the vote for Chambliss; so it wasn&#8217;t so much Palin bringing voters to Chambliss as it was Obama failing to bring voters for Martin.  But I do concede that Palin did probably bring out some increased numbers of the GOP base.  It will take a study of the voting demographics to determine if Chambliss owes more to Republicans coming out or to Democrats staying home.</p>
<p>2. Effort Obama made.  This wasn&#8217;t anything like an &#8220;all out effort.&#8221;  Martin asked Obama to come and campaign.  Obama stayed in Chicago.  With regard to the Obama volunteers going to Georgia, this was a token effort, at best.  There were literally thousands of Obama volunteers from California who descended on tiny Nevada, for weeks before the election, right on up to the day of the election.  This sort of effort was made in all of the battleground states.  Not so in the Georgia run-off.</p>
<p>3. The so-called &#8220;stop Obama&#8221; vote:  As I stated in my original post, I&#8217;m sure that a good portion of the votes were cast to deny the Democrats a filibuster-proof Senate majority.  This is by no means a repudiation of Obama, who&#8217;s approval rating has <strong>increased substantially</strong> since his election.  </p>
<p>Were this a referendum on Obama, Martin would have again been very close to Chambliss.  Instead, it&#8217;s just a reflection that wise voters (including my immodest self) don&#8217;t like seeing one party have a filibuster-proof margin in the Senate, with the same party also holding the House and the Presidency.  Again, I&#8217;m proof of the principle that a great many voters don&#8217;t want to see too much power concentrated in one political party, as evidenced by my votes for both Barack Obama and (hard right GOPer) Dana Rohrabacher (California did not elect a Senator, in the recent election).</p>
<p>- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still we get more nonsense about Palin&#039;s star power, appears the dems can&#039;t bear to admit that there is a reason she draws a crowd, her conservatism and her accomplishments.  I&#039;s a record I hope she seeks higher office on in the future.

As far as the Chambliss/Martin race.   The dem rock-stars(Clinton-Gore) evidently couldn&#039;t accomplish much, yet all we hear from the opposition is more Palin bashing.  Nothing about worn out, washed up dem figure heads well past their prime.

At the very least, one would think the Dem party could have at least provided updated campaign literature, that was pathetic.

BTW, has anyone visited RedState lately?  Heh:

http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/dec/03/now-that-were-done-with-jim-martin-let-me-s/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still we get more nonsense about Palin&#8217;s star power, appears the dems can&#8217;t bear to admit that there is a reason she draws a crowd, her conservatism and her accomplishments.  I&#8217;s a record I hope she seeks higher office on in the future.</p>
<p>As far as the Chambliss/Martin race.   The dem rock-stars(Clinton-Gore) evidently couldn&#8217;t accomplish much, yet all we hear from the opposition is more Palin bashing.  Nothing about worn out, washed up dem figure heads well past their prime.</p>
<p>At the very least, one would think the Dem party could have at least provided updated campaign literature, that was pathetic.</p>
<p>BTW, has anyone visited RedState lately?  Heh:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/dec/03/now-that-were-done-with-jim-martin-let-me-s/" rel="nofollow">http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/dec/03/now-that-were-done-with-jim-martin-let-me-s/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nit Wit: We very well could &quot;do any of that&quot; and we may be able to count on at least one or two Dems to join us.

Maybe you need to spend more time in reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nit Wit: We very well could &#8220;do any of that&#8221; and we may be able to count on at least one or two Dems to join us.</p>
<p>Maybe you need to spend more time in reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We will not be doing any of that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

More like they won&#039;t be able to do any of that.  

&lt;em&gt;We?&lt;/em&gt;  I think maybe you need to spend more time in your garden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We will not be doing any of that.</p></blockquote>
<p>More like they won&#8217;t be able to do any of that.  </p>
<p><em>We?</em>  I think maybe you need to spend more time in your garden.</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, we aren&#039;t as vindictive as the dems. And PLEASE DO remind McCain of what he said and that it needs to be used. I&#039;m so sick of wimps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, we aren&#8217;t as vindictive as the dems. And PLEASE DO remind McCain of what he said and that it needs to be used. I&#8217;m so sick of wimps.</p>
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