Terrorists and their supporters(all islamofanatics) will never win against the US and its allies.
They are actually fighting against the modern world.

Look, the terrorists just LOST everything and their grandmother also in Iraq. They got kicked out of afghanistan and had to run like DOGS to hide in Waziristan. They are losers who only manage a small victory now and then. In one week, everything will go back to the same in Mumbai. What did you win??? Nothing.

Win small, lose big.

These islamojerkoffs are not like the chinese, who after making the US military leave vietnam, managed to change their societies and build thriving economies that are slowing entering the modern world in terms of human rights, democracy and social maturity. SEAsia and china have lent almost a trillion dollars to america.(OK, not N.Korea, but that is because Kim is an idiot)

In contrast do we see anything from the arab world??? Name one global product that comes from the middle east, besides terrorism. Honda, Toyota??? Sony?? Microsoft????

Please, these terrorists are the laughing stock of the world.

PS–I understand terrorist hero Azam is being used for porn films now by the bollywood porn industry. They love the way he begs for mercy.

I’ll repeat. Dying is the easy exit for cowards. It is living, and the quest to change what takes place around you that is difficult.

Assuming your “teen” years are similar to ours, you have lived in a violent world as a teen for over a decade…. perhaps longer in your younger years. That’s two Prime Minister terms of Benazir Bhutto, three of Nawaz Sharif, and one of Musharraf (and three or four others inbetween until Gilani today). Pakistan did not become an ally with the US in the fight against the global jihad movement until after Sept 11, 2001. That is seven years.

So it’s telling that when you speak of being “desensitized” to homeland violence, you single out the US as the cause with the predator drones. They have not been flying in your airspace since your teens.

Your violence does not come from the US, but from the terrorist elements who live in your homeland who wish to force Shariah law and strict fundamentalist Islam upon your country. Your fellow country men and women do not desire this, and have stated so via elections.

Why do I not feel sorry for you? You’re 23 years old, and you are a quitter. You are the quintessential victim “woe is me” mentality.

Look around your region and you will find the lives of the Iraqis under Saddam were no picnic, and fraught with raids in the middle of the night and mass graves. The Israelis and Palestinians also live with such constant violence in their lives. North Africa also experiences such nightmares as part of their lives. Many nations have lived under despots and dictators, or in a world constantly at war… and many have achieved change.

But they didn’t do it because they were nations of quitters like you.

Our men and women in our armed forces can, and do enlist, at the age of 18. We have those younger than you who not only see the same carnage you see, but are the actual targets in the sights of the enemies. Unlike you, they do not abandon their hope and humanity to “desensitization”.

The difference between you, and those in the above nations – and our military personnel – is that they do not give up. They remain outraged that such a small minority of violent thugs affect other innocent human’s daily lives. They fight with every fiber of their being to change that.

You? You consider these animals “courageous”.

You say you know it’s wrong, but you give yourself a “pass” because it’s how you “feel”. Camel manure…. you’re lazy, self-indulgent, and weak.

No, Safyan. I do not consider you representative of your fellow Pakistanis. I admire their independence, their quest for modernization and to engage with the rest of the world. And I most admire their determination not to settle for violence, but to fight for peace in their lives.

No, you do not speak the views of your countrymen. You are embarrassment to Pakistanis.

“I feel nothing when i hear of a Predator drone bombing someone’s home. Screw them. I don’t care if i die either. I don’t care if someone kills a bunch of people anywhere anymore.” (Safyan)

This is the saddest thing that I have ever read. You are like a living dead man; a Zombie who lack full consciousness. You feel nothing. Somewhere on the road you have lost your soul. I really feel sorry for you, I really do.

“I’m just saying i find it an extraordinary display of courage to do something like that. The whole rampage, carnage… just a handful of young boys of my age causing so much destruction, bringing millions of people to their knees.” (Safyan)

Yes, no consciousness at all. You are not able to make a distinction between courage and cowardliness, good and evil. And by the way, nobody is on their knees, this is why we fight them with courage and will win this war on terrorism. We only find their actions despicable and feel sorry for all the innocent people they have killed in vain and in such a coward way.

“Those who say they were afraid to face the commando’s and the military are out of their f’ng minds. They knew they were going to die. They walked into their own deaths. God bless the souls of those sick maniacs.” (Safyan)

Those terrorists do not value life; they only value death and the promised 72 virgins waiting for them in hell. These people do not have the courage to live and try to make the World a better place for Humans. They have no guts. They are incapable of the least fertility and capable only to envy the other fertility, this is why a destruction spirit animates them.

Hope they give his testicles a nice massage…..with electricity.

It takes no particular skill or courage to spray bullets at civilian people in hotels and cafes who do not expect it, have no guns to shoot back, to kill women and children. Such are the acts of cowards and jerkoffs who cannot succeed in any other aspect of life.

If they had attacked a US warship or US embassy, it is still wrong, but at least we can respect them for it. I understand many of the terrorists were very poor shooters and actually shot themselves by mistake. How cool is that?

In the end they were so frightened when the indians attacked them, that they took their own lives rather than fight the indians. Not very cool.
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Brother Safyan, If you want to know what is REAL fighting, we chinese fought the US military face to face in vietnam and korea. We did not shoot women and children, we did not shoot civilian people eating in hotels and cafes, like everytime your muslim terrorists try to do as your Number One strategy. We fought their soldiers. And they killed many of us, but eventually we drove them back and out. Now maybe we did not fight them for the right reason, but at least we did not fight them like cowards.

But these islamic terrorists, they fight like cowards, and all the world should spit on them, and treat them worse than dogs in the street.

Freedom fighter of one nation is terrorist of other. I repeat again. Obv world see Osama as terrrorist coz he is terrorist for one part of world. But what about the other part.

I draw a strong distinction between freedom fighters and terrorists. What freedom are the Islamists fighting for? To repress people under strict fundamentalism/Sharia? The terrorists we face today are non-uniformed, hiding amongst civilians, using them as human shields, intentionally targeting unarmed men, women, and children for violence, using the mentally handicapped to carry out sick homicide bombings, etc.

You don’t see an objective difference?

Btw, welcome to FA! Your voice and perspective are important to hear.

I don’t care if i die either. I don’t care if someone kills a bunch of people anywhere anymore. I’m just saying i find it an extraordinary display of courage to do something like that. The whole rampage, carnage… just a handful of young boys of my age causing so much destruction, bringing millions of people to their knees. Those who say they were afraid to face the commando’s and the military are out of their f’ng minds. They knew they were going to die. They walked into their own deaths. God bless the souls of those sick maniacs. Cheers to you all. P.S: I know i’m terribly wrong, just in case you’re thinking i think i’m right. But what can i say, that’s just the way i feel and think.

One of the “brave” heroes you blessed:

Azam who was tight-lipped initially, cracked upon seeing the mutilated body of his colleague and pleaded with the medical staff at Nair to save his life. “I do not want to die,” he reportedly said. “Please put me on saline.”

Ammunition, a satellite phone and a layout plan of CST was recovered from him. According to sources the young terrorist has given the investigators vital leads including how the chief planner of the Mumbai terror plot had come to the city a month ago, took picture and filmed strategic locations and trained their group and instructed them to “kill till the last breath.” Every man was given six to seven magazines with fifty bullets each, eight hand grenades per terrorist with one AK-57 , an automaticloading revolver and a supply of dry fruits.

Azam reportedly disclosed that the group left Karachi in one boat and upon reaching Gujarat they hoisted a white flag on their boat and were intercepted by two officers of the coast guard near Porbandar and while they were being questioned one of the terrorists grappled with one of the officers slit his throat and threw the body in the boat. The other officer was told to help the group reach Mumbai. When they were four nautical miles away from Mumbai there were three speedboats waiting for them where the other coastguard officer was killed. All the ammo was then shifted into these three spedboats they reached Colaba jetty on Wednesday night and the ten men broke up into groups of two each. Four of these men went to the Taj Mahal hotel, two of them to the Trident hotel, two towards Nariman House at Colaba and two of which Azam was one moved to CST.

Azam, who was at Nair hospital for nearly four hours, was taken away by the intelligence agencies in the early hours of Thursday to an unknown location after the hospital authorities had removed the bullet from his hand and declared that his condition stable. But it seems the police grilling was so intense that before he left the hospital for an undisclosed location he pleaded with the police and the medical staff to kill him. “Now , I don’t want to live,” he said.

i would like to have a view. very interesting

They are as follows

MataHarley
6 Wade, I’m not sure of the point you wish to make. It is no secret that the Pakistan intelligence agencies and army are rift with corruption…

MataHarley
11 Mustafa, we are honored to have you here, giving us the Pakistani perspective. Please understand I don’t believe your entire ISI or army is corrupt. It only takes a few bad apples to affect the barrel and cause serious damage

sigmundringeck
13 Those filthy islamojerkoffs just managed to kill one of our locals in the Mumbai Oberoi

MataHarley
20

Using your own definition, you’ve just described jihad. And I agree that is illegal.

blast
24

Mustafa, you are totally wrong if you think blowing yourself up as a good strategy or is gutsier than our military. Our warfighters are taught to KILL the enemy, not themselves.

If you are in Pakistan it is time for you to stand up and clean up your country.

sigmundringeck
25

Abang

It may surprise u to know that I have many muslim friends.

Problem is, not all muslims are good and tolerant.

Some are crazy about grabbing power and killing people. They think it is good and interpret many parts of the koran to justify their actions. As u know the koran has many sections where you are advised to kill infidels and u will go to paradise.

Safyan
26 Hello everyone. So i’m a 23 year old Pakistani and i’m a pakhtun.

it’s always the same shit being talked about over and over again…

some intolerant brit using derogatory slurs, a sensible boy and girl trying to stay neutral, a pakistani with partially messed up english trying hard to deliver his point of view, an angry person here a more relaxed one there… it leads to nowhere.

But it’s the natural order of life… some people kill, some defend, some get killed, others watch from afar and discuss… it’s the way the world is. But yeah, it was awesome. Take care people.

MataHarley

27 There you go, Mustafa from Lahore… meet one of your fellow compatriots from Islamabad.

Evidently your fellow countryman, Safyan, can. He thinks the terrorists “kick ass”, and “it’s just cool”. He thinks it takes balls for armed to the teeth human cockroaches to enter a building filled with unarmed men, women and children, and blow them to bits.

This is a man who walks on your soil, Mustafa. And I daresay he has friends who are also as demented and impressionable. The stupid are influenced easily by such “glory”.

You wouldn’t last long in my ‘hood, Safyan. And I, personally, would celebrate your kind of defective mentality passing from this planet.

Mustafa, if you think Mumbai was some set up by Indian Hindus for political/election purposes, it’s more likely the current officials will be losing their bid for re’election over this. So that’s an unlikely tangent.

I fixed your quote for you. The global jihad movement, which includes many groups in their alliance, is bent on overthrowing any state they consider an apostate regime… one who is not imposing Shariah law as rule of the land and over the people (Muslim or not).

Unless you are of this same belief, my enemy is your enemy. We may never agree or understand each other’s culture, but we can work together against a shared enemy that threatens both your and my way of life.

The US coalition forces, NATO forces and the Iraq security forces do not target the innocent. The innocent die sometimes, as they have in all wars. But there is a huge difference between waging war deliberately attacking innocents, as these “far from brave” jihad cockroaches do, and facing off an armed enemy fighter. I have nothing but disdain for these jihad movements… not an iota of respect.

Dying is easy. It is living, and facing the struggle daily to make this a better world, that is the more difficult path

Unfortunately, Benazir’s regime was the same who started the Taliban with Mulla Omar and Maulana Fazlur Rahman when she was PM. Her intent was honest… to protect cotton shipments during the Pak drought from being pirated when coming thru Afghanistan.

I personally don’t believe the Pakistan government has anything to do with Mumbai. I do, however, believe that elements in your country (the only surviving terrorist gunner is Pakistani) organize, plan and train for these assaults.

Mike’s America
28 Safyan:

I’m hoping that what you said was some kind of sick joke.

But seeing that your IP registers in Peshawar, Pakistan (116.71.218.214) I’ll take you seriously for a moment.

suppose you must also think it is “cool” when the next Predator drone blasts one of these bastards in Pakistan?

Frankly, if you’d like to provide a bit more detail about your location such as a GPS coordinate, perhaps we can let you see in person how “cool” it is.

Craig
29
Oh boy! You call this COURAGE? This is cowardliness. Blow yourself in bounded public places among innocent people and your own brothers, you call that courage? I guess we will never be able to understand one another.

These people are not fighting for freedom, right or security. They are fighting a Holy war that will give them a Caliphate. They hate the freedom and the rights of Western civilization. It is a war between Civilization and Barbary. They see us as Infidels and they want to kill every one of us. Their goal is to install Sharia laws all over the planet.

Safyan
31

Mike’s America, MataHarley and all others offended by my comment. Take note, i do NOT in any way express the views of all my country men. It’s just me, a 23 year old rock musician from peshawar, pakistan. I have the least regard for any religion of the world. You have to be in my shoes and more appropriately in my head to know why i said the things i did. You might’ve been just as desensitized to bombings, killings, genocide and terrorism if you were a pakistani who lived amidst the heart of it all like me.

The whole rampage, carnage… just a handful of young boys of my age causing so much destruction, bringing millions of people to their knees. Those who say they were afraid to face the commando’s and the military are out of their f’ng minds. They knew they were going to die. They walked into their own deaths.

DEAR ALL…. IF YOU REVIEW THESE POSTS… U WILL SURELY FIND SOME ANSWERS. I CLAIM THAT I AM A MODERATE MUSLIM. SUFYAN TENDS TO EVEN UN RELIGIOUS. NOW YOU ALL ARE MAY BE CHRISTIANS JEWS OR HINDUS.

I TALK ABOUT NO RELIGION. JUST SOLUTIONS.

HERE ARE THESE POSTS. I WILL REPLY THEM SHORTLY

REGARDS…

P.S it is of utmost important for the whole world esp USA to win this war only with co operation of moderated Pakistan and Pakis. And if they dont think Pakistan is important then please wipe Pakistan off first.

these all posts require my address.

I will.

DONT DISCUSS WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS NOT. WE KNOW WHO IS WRONG.
TELL ME HOW TO STOP THEM.

BY KILLING THEM AS PER YOU.

OK

FINE

KILL THEM

AND WAIT………..

i will reply in detail after december 3. and i request you all.,

not to be judgmental about religion, nations and regimes. be neutral. be unbiased.

and do try to be patient. like you all.

and not impatient. like muslims (as per few of above posters)

God bless America and other nations. and not only Amercia and if only America then no America….

thats bottom line.

I am sorry i will reply after dec 3. I have financial mgt paper.

rgrds