Seems you cannot do that or even give a civil or even polite welcome

Cary,

I for one welcome you here. I don’t believe Reasic is new.

I think I drive my side nuts for civility and the perception that I am a wishy-washy CINO. Whatever.

Partisanly-speaking but doing so as objectively as I can, there are some really great stuff here. If hardball rudeness isn’t your cup of tea, simply bypass those comment responses and address what you perceive as the substance.

As I’ve said already, I’ve no reason reason to “lure”, whine, demand, or stomp – I already got what I wanted. Perhaps, in time, you’ll be able to cleanse your palate of the sour grapes and actually offer a discussion we both might benefit from. Until then, best of luck to you all.

In case you have wondered, doubtful, but, we *have* had intelligent debates about the Ayres/Obama relationship, policies, background, etc. for months, check the archives. FA hosts have provided a vast assortment of source material, wishing you two would study up, lose the attitude and come back. You also might want to consider the fact that few are bothering with this thread, could be because your cyber personalities aren’t attractive. Whew! I appreciate the libs we have in here that can state their opinions and sources without the whining and demanding.

Now, this is an opinion of a cyber great-granny with children older than you, not the foot-stomping demanding kind I’m witnessing in here. This is my opinion and it is *not* debatable.

Cheers.

I’m STILL waiting for an intelligent conversation. I’ve offered to discuss any number of issues in detail, including the smears that you are so concerned about, and have yet to see anyone come even close. However, I’m still willing, should you decide to discuss Obama’s background or policies in detail. So far, you’ve talked only in generalities about Obama’s past, assuming the worst and demonizing everyone in your path.

But I agree with you that it is much more comforting to think that 60+ million people voted for Obama out of sheer ignorance than to think that 60+ million people agree with socialism, Marxism, communism, racism of the likes of Rev Wright and Bill Ayers and have no problem with the anti-America, Black Supremacist ideologies of Wright and Ayers and knowing their President spent his entire two+ decade political career with these ideologies as his core.

I won’t say 60 million plus were 100% informed, because I’m sure there were people out there who voted for him for other reasons. However, I will say that I am one of many who voted for Obama because we understood both candidates’ policies and preferred Obama’s to McCain’s. I’ve heard all of the smears about Obama, and have come to the conclusion that the claims are exaggerated — classic partisan mud slinging. Now, if you’d like to discuss these smears in detail, instead of just drinking the Hannity/Limbaugh kool-aid, I’d be glad to do that. Something tells me you’d rather believe that Obama is the devil, though. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

So, please, stop with the “name calling and bad mouthing will get you nowhere” crap. Because the Left, the Democrats and the mass media have been doing it for years to great reward and success.

Michael, you’re generalizing here. I was not asking you to never take part in these activities — although it would be nice. I was asking you, or anyone else here, to have an intelligent conversation with ME. I am not the entire Democratic Party, the “Left”, or the media. Sure, politics happens, but I’m asking for a reasonable discussion, so what other people have done is of no consequence in this case.

Furthermore, my family converted from Catholicism when I was nine. So any of my numerous imperfections that need to be worked out with God will be done so directly, and certainly not here. I’ve not come here to persuade you to my views, I know that will never happen, and it doesn’t matter right now, as I’ve pretty much gotten what I wanted with my vote. I’ve also not come here to gloat or rub the current Democratic victory in your face, as is evident in my posts. I’ve come here out of good will, in an effort to help both sides understand where each is coming from, even if we don’t agree on much. There have been a very small few who have understood this and reciprocated, and for them I am appreciative. I just don’t know what anyone would expect to gain by responding to something that wasn’t actually brought up in the discussion, unless it were to avoid addressing something that was. So, until someone can respond to what both Gen. Powell and I agree on, I’ll accept it as a concession to these particular points. Thanks very much.

If you’ve come here for personal absolution, you’ve come to the wrong place. Look for the nearest Catholic church find a priest and make your case. We don’t know you, we only know your arguments and that is the focus of our replies.

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Actually, guilt by association does in fact hinge on when the event in question occurred. That is the ONLY thing is hinges on. The point is that Obama’s associations with Ayers do make him guilty of condoning what Ayers did in the past. What is your purpose of stressing over and pretending the extent of this relationship was nothing when everything proves that to be a lie? Do you really think that Obama is not sympathetic to the ideals of terrorist since those are the ONLY people he has chosen as close friends and confidants? Are you really so blind as to not see that he’s going to try to ruin this country by turning our polices to indulge and appease those who use such tactics? The insinuation that follows your logical fallacy is ludicrous. If you really think that Obama or his supporters are just as patriotic and just as concerned about the direction of this country, then YOU are the one who is misinformed.

Right after you find just one instance where I personally accused you of anything.