I am also curious about the idea that the one who pays tax (specifically the income tax) is the one allowed to vote in the election. I somehow agree about this because if a citizen is really determined to play his part to the society, then he will do his obligation to pay tax. No one will evade income tax payments. Then, tax evasion crime will be reduced. Another is that a large portion of the government fund came from income taxes. So the income tax payers is more concerned about where their money goes.

The problem is what about the citizens who do not have the sufficient income but are willing to take active part in our society. Do they have to stay mute about their opinions and idealism?

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The other taxes? You pay the gas tax at the gas pump. You pay sales tax at the stores. You pay property taxes to your appropriate city/county. Licensing fees for vehicles are paid at the DMV. You can deduct the property taxes on your IRS filing (at least for now…. that could change and would be a tacit “tax increase”.)

But if you did, and it brought you into a category where you didn’t make enough to pay income tax to Uncle Sam (after allowable deductions), that doesn’t mean you didn’t pay taxes and shouldn’t be allow to have representation for your taxation.

And every citizen (and actually illegal alien) pays sales tax… depending on their state… and gas tax. Even if they are living in the shadows.

So you see, everyone who functions within our borders is actually taxed in some way.

Anyways, lets forget it, it will never happen. Let the ignorant idiots vote. But as the ignorant crowd gets bigger, something one day will have to be done, otherwise, you will be stuck with stupid ignorant leftist democrats till the end of times.

Even if someone doesn’t hit the threshold of paying income tax, with current law, that doesn’t mean they aren’t subject to some for of taxes.

Remember our colonial battle cry… “No taxation without representation!”

Okay! There was a flaw. But then it still could be for people who filed an income tax report, whether they pay taxes or not. At least they are working and bying stuff and paying taxes on what they buy. That would be much better. It would only eliminate students and welfare people.

And one who doesn’t pay taxes this year, may next year depending on his income…. and vice versa. See what I mean?

The problem with you idea is that a lot of people don’t pay income taxes. When you don’t have enough income you don’t file income taxes. Some have a lot of children and/or medical bills or something else. And seniors who have paid taxes all their lives mostly do not pay income tax. Should they be eliminated from voting? I would kick and scream about that. The truth is that we cannot tell anyone they can’t vote if they are a citizen.

What we really need to do is have a national ID voting card just for voting identification nothing else. This would eliminate people being registered everywhere they lived and failed to notify that registry office. It wold also eleiminate duplicate voters. We need to make it a law people have to register 30 days before an election and have to come to the registry office to sign up. No more man on the street registering the same people multiple times. That ID card should be sent through a machine to show that person has already voted. That should eliminate dead voters and illegal voters and duplicate voters. But the democrats are against every one of these ideas. They are the ones who enacted ACORN, no IDs. They did this because it causes confusion and graft and voter crime so they can win.

1. WHAT, you mean that the Bush policies on fighting Terrorism (intell, prosecution, air strikes) are STAYING THE SAME????

2. The government is taking OVER my 401k??? WTF?!?!?!?!

3. What do you mean that I can’t vote for a union in SECRET?

4. Cap and trade is putting me out of business!!!!

5. What NO MORE COAL???

Speaking of children, the national obsession with the “youth vote” is one of the great embarrassments of deliberative democracy. Why is the participation of youth so vital? The “youth activists” say it’s because they bring so much “passion” to politics. Passion, again, isn’t necessarily a good thing. Mobs and small children are passionate.

There was a time when voting was supposed to be a matter for sober, mature reflection. Now it’s more like a fashion statement. “In America,” remarked Oscar Wilde long ago, “the young are always ready to give those who are older than themselves the full benefits of their inexperience.” The only difference now is they get to vote.

In fact, the country is experimenting with ever-more-novel ways to make it easier for people to join “the process,” which makes democracy sound like a digestive phenomenon. Gone entirely is the tradition of Election Day. Now it’s Election Week or even Election Month in some states.

Voting by mail, online voting, even voting by phone are increasingly in vogue, because it’s assumed that we desperately need input from voters who couldn’t be bothered to get off the couch for a normal Election Day but can be coaxed to vote if it doesn’t interfere with their video-game schedule.

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So exotic are these creatures, most of the journalists observed them from the other side of a two-way mirror, like visitors to the “Earthling Exhibit.” During the debates, the creatures were monitored every second, their instant reactions charted, often in real time. Invariably, they complained they didn’t get enough “specifics,” as if presidential debates are the proper source of basic campaign information.

And that proves the point. These people are undecided because they don’t do their homework. CNN profiled an undecided voter from Nebraska the day before the election who said he is “definitely pro-life” and a single-issue voter on abortion. But, CNN reported, he was still trying to figure out which candidate was pro-life.

Um, really? Don’t strain yourself trying to figure that one out.

I agree that it’s our Constitutional right to vote. But I also think it is our moral responsibility to case an informed vote. But now, we have volume… sorta… but not quality input. I have no answer to the dilemma.. but it’s seriousness weighs heavily on my mind.

Grassfire is trying to collect 1 million signatures by Jan. 20th to stop this nonsense before it gets off the ground.

Please forward the link to others !

http://www.grassfire.org/111/petition.asp?PID=18712815&NID=1

Hitler knew he could take France, not because he studied their military history after WWI…..
Hitler knew he could take France because he studied their social history and knew that after WWI their school systems took a left turn and whole generation(s) had been schooled by left wing pacifists.

So…who let those assholes start teaching in their schools ?…maybe it was a slow infiltration…..Hmm…sounds familiar, unfortunately.

This has already been happening here…for how long ?
This shit needs to stop.

Do 18, 19 year olds and 20-somethings even KNOW who Hitler was ?

Few understand how this could have happened. It’s really quite simple. Out education system has turned our students against things that conservatives believe in like self-reliance, personal responsibility, competition, free enterprise, and capitalism.

The educators are so far left many of them make Karl Marx seem libertarian.

If you want your country back first you must take back the education system.

Where is Newt when we need him most?