I am neither republican nor democrat. I vote as an independent so there is no pressure for me to vote a straight “party line”.

Personally, I believe that all nations fail in the end… Look at Rome, and other civilizations before us. It is my opinion that this country will, at some time, fail also. It’s just a natural sort of cycle….

But, I can’t even find any consistency about Al Gore’s “Global Warming”. According to that camp, since I live in Florida…. I’ll be 20 ft. under water in a few years. But the latest National Geographic study indicates that the earth itself will undergo another total ice age. I guess it’s “Take your pick.” LOL!

Looks to me like O is trying for a world government and monetary system also…. I wonder what they will call the new currency? Wooden nickels?

What I mean when I say “following” (my fault, since I am not an native English nor do I live in a English speaking country), is not a generalization of the American people has his blind followers, because I am happy to see Americans questioning his actions and intentions. What I mean is the power that his presence and speech has over a mass majority of the people, they behave similarly like Germans did towards Hitler, some kind of a numb adoration which I must say it is rather impressive. JFK was a great speaker and he did not have that, nor Martin Luther, and even Hitler, since Hitler had the German people behind him and Obama has not only a majority of Americans but he has also charmed a huge amount of Europeans, Africans and Asians.

His power is atm huge, but can he cope with it? History is clear than with great power in one man comes great madness. I am not certain madness will come, but I have questions that are not being answered, like the reason of his Youth Brigade, the Patriot act, REX 84 camps, his birth certificate, new possible north American union and now the French President backed by England wanting that American Union and the European Union as one in the next 4 years. One Federation, one Market, one currency and a central leadership. The reading about the possible end of the US dollar all this start to make a scary sense.

“Zero votes (well 3) from the Repubs looks awesome, because when the backlash comes (which is a 100% certainty) they will have been proven correct in their votes.”

But don’t you think at a time when the entire nation is in dire straights, we should pull together as one unified body in order to survive? I’m not talking politics here… I’m talking survival. Obama is apologizing to other countries…. even France.. and I do not understand that. To the leaders of other countries, that could easily be taken as a sign of weakness.

Bruno… “But it is ironic when those responsible for the world’s memory of that war, that leader and the Holocaust, are in line, blindly following a man with similar actions.”

The person who is responsible for for the world’s memory of the Holocaust, is really none other than Dwight D. Eisenhower. At the time I believe he was a Major when he came across Hitler’s death camps. He made a statement that his men MUST get all of the photographs possible of these morbid and horrid places….because in time, someone will say that it never happened. He sure was right on that call. There are still Muslims who don’t believe the Holocaust ever happened, among others. Those pictures prove that it happened…

I believe you feel as i do that the American public has become like cattle… They are in line. But who are you say they are following? I don’t like Obama but I don’t think he’s going to take similar actions. I must have missed what you were getting at.

In the long run, what I expect from Obama is a continuation of inviting more immigrants to our country who have not contributed one thing…. but he has guaranteed them food, shelter and access to our Social Security. He promised that to everyone in Palestine. Good idea, bring even more immigrants in and give them what we’ve all worked for all of our lives. And, how ready are you for Socialized Medical Care? Are you ready to endure what is happening in Canada now? Let’s say you need a colonoscopy. You will wait for months to have that procedure done. Let’s say they find colon cancer. You will die waiting for that treatment. You have fallen to the bottom of the pile because you’re probably not going to be productive for the country….or you might die after your cancer treatments. Whether it’s meant to be or not, this will become the survival of the fittest. The story about the death while waiting for cancer treatment is true. A good friend of mine in Canada lost his brother that way.

But, unless you can pay for your own medical care out of your pocket, socialized medicine will not work here any better than it has in Canada or Australia. The same pertains to any moves to ban guns. Look at the crime rates in England, Australia and Canada. And ALL of it is because criminals are not afraid to rob, rape, or kill you because they have guns but they know you don’t. One of the main reasons the Japanese did not try to land in the USA was because they knew that nearly every American had a gun and would fight back. That’s a historical fact.

We need to remember history in order not to repeat it, the US made sure no one forgot World War 2 and painted Hitler as a criminal even hiding some of his positive work regarding building an huge economy from a destroyed country. But it is ironic when those responsible for the world’s memory of that war, that leader and the Holocaust, are in line, blindly following a man with similar actions.

Well then we agree as voters which candidate was the least good for the country.

I still disagree about #3. Government involvement in the private sector equals socialism. Where does it stop. Now they want to put a cap on employee bonuses!

The birth certificate thing is neither here nor there as far as importance now. It wasn’t pushed during the campaign because the media wouldn’t bring it up and there were bigger issues like Ayres and such to focus on.

Zero votes (well 3) from the Repubs looks awesome, because when the backlash comes (which is a 100% certainty) they will have been proven correct in their votes.

Sorry about killing the messenger, I will try to stay on topics and not messenger.

Just like many areas in our world, there is a pattern in presidents and politics. Lately, (since 1976) it has been a democratic president messes up, and then a repub gets elected and cleans up for a while. Then he has issues and they try a democrat again and he screws up and another republican gets elected.

Like you, I think the two party dominance is terrible. We need someone other than a politician as a president. Perhaps a businessman? But who would want the job these days.

Koolaid? I don’t drink it myself, but I did hear about people in Jonestown and others in Waco drinking it.

1. The issue of no birth certificate has circulated since the beginning of O’s campaign. If it was that important, am I mistaken to think that thousands who complained about would have come up with something by now? Is it on record in Hawaii, where he was born? Yes, I believe it is.

2. Government getting their hands into the corporations was the only way to save this nation from total economic collapse. You can call it what you want. Does it work? I don’t know, … the DOW went back up … and o’s making them give back the money for their absurd bonuses.

3. Well, we disagree. AIG was big enough to have brought the nation down if they had declared chapter 11 or chapter 7. If you saw O on recent talk shows….he says it himself. They HAD to keep AIG out of the dumpster. He certainly didn’t WANT to throw that much money at them.

4. I can’t get off the “inherited” line. Are you trying to say that none of these economic catastrophes were caused by “W”? O fell in the hole that Bush was digging. The economic problems existed when he took the oath. He’s doing his best to straighten it out, but the unthinkable is the thought that Democrats & Republicans should be working together to save the economy. Zero votes from the Repubs doesn’t look good. It would also be nice if you didn’t kill the messenger in your posts. You can’t make this kind of stuff up!

5. I agree with you on this one… but it was way too little … way too late.

Also, make no mistake. I did not vote for O. Neither did I vote for McCain. I voted for a way lesser candidate just to pull my vote away from either of the above. A two party system only works if both parties work together for the betterment of the greater cause of the country. The Repubs aren’t working. …. Why does this sound so familiar?

pure bullshit Larry and you know it!

For every GOP lobbyist there were TEN Dem lobbyists.

And the top two Senators on the money train were….drum roll please….

OBAMA

&

DODD

And another thing Larry… how many GOP party hacks took home multi-million dollar bonuses from Fannie and Freddie?

We’ve been over this ground a hundred times and there is ample proof all the way around to show Dems in deep in preventing reforms at both Fannie and Freddie all the while they were on the gravy train.

You should be embarrassed to come here and try and LIE about the issue once again.

Shame on you!

I don’t want to get into trying to prove who was responsible or not. We could both spend all day finding articles about where the fault lies for Freddy Mac and Fanny May. Of course popular wisdom shows that it is mostly Barney Frank who caused it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/23/barbara-walters-cracks-vi_n_178082.html

But again, you can probably find hundreds of articles blaming Bush (well with the media bias against him maybe thousands) and I can find articles showing it was Frank and the rest of the democratic wiz kids (Nancy Puke-losi among them) that were at fault.

Bottom line is, the direction Obama is currently taking us is dangerous and based on history heading towards big problems for this nation.

By the way, I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but it was the Bush administration that brought up the problems about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and wanted to have more regulations put in place. They were shot down.

They were shot down by GOP lobbyists, not by Democrats.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-10-20-fannie-freddie_N.htm

- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA

“Socialized medicine”

Obama’s health care plan is essentially just an extension of Medicare. The George W Bush/GOP prescription drug plan was also just an extension of Medicare.

Wake up call:

Medicare is the best health insurance plan available in America today. No other major health plan gives as much free choice in doctors. No other major health plan requires less in the way of “pre-authorization.” No other major health plan shows as much flexibility in paying for new treatments and diagnostics. No other major health plan is as portable (across state borders). No other major health plan provides equivalent quality of care for less money (i.e. is as cost effective). No other major health plan has as much consumer satisfaction. No other major health plan produces fewer personal bankruptcies owing to medical illness or injury (the number one cause of personal bankruptcies in the USA today).

I’m a physician who has to buy his own health insurance. I will be happy to trade my private insurance for Medicare coverage. Even if I had to pay for Medicare out of pocket (the full yearly cost), I’d trade my private health insurance for Medicare coverage in a New York minute.

Medicare isn’t “socialized” medicine. Medicare doesn’t employ the doctors which treat the patients. Medicare doesn’t own the hospitals. Medicare doesn’t tell patients what doctors they can see or what hospitals they need to go to.

Americans pay nearly twice as much for medical care as other Western countries. Our medical outcomes are no better and often worse. We endure twice as much unnecessary surgery (though, under Medicare, we are free to get as much surgery as we want and by whatever surgeons are willing to cut us open).

US companies are at a huge competitive disadvantage, compared to the rest of the world. General Motors pays more for employee health than it pays for steel.

We are penny-wise and pound foolish in wanting not to pay federal taxes for health care and instead to pay much more for an inferior product in the profit-driven private health care system, where the emphasis is on providing procedures and services to make money as opposed to emphasis on improving and maintaining wellness.

- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA

Still drinking the Koolaid? Without going into every detail you listed,

1. Birth status may not be an issue because he is president already, but still an issue in that he has never produced a valid one.

2. Socialism – Yes, not just health care, it is everything he is trying to do. Government getting there hands into corporations is socialism. It doesn’t work, and history shows that.

3. No company or corporation is bigger than the entire economy. AIG and all others should be allowed to fail and go through chapter 11. That is what it was created for.

4. Get off the “inherited” line already. As of now, the stimulus package is 100% on his watch. He and the democrats (except for 3 republicans) pushed it through.

By the way, I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but it was the Bush administration that brought up the problems about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and wanted to have more regulations put in place. They were shot down.

I certainly didn’t read every message here, but I see a lot of people trying to tie Obama to Communists, Socialism, and the issue of his birth certificate.

1. The birth certificate issue is dead. Obama is now your president! You really cannot do much about that now.

2. Someone show me his ties to Communism, please.

3.Socialism? Perhaps in one form or another…probably health care.

4. The Bailout: I cannot believe it when I read or hear people say, “Well, they should have just let AIG go belly up!” Do you realize what would happen? If AIG goes bankrupt, they take our entire economy with them. The bailout was NECESSARY to keep this from happening. The waste in doing it was the fault of George Bush. He spewed out tons of money with no tracking and no accountability. Why blame Obama for something he inherited?

5. Our currency: Several countries like China and Russia are trying to create a universal coin to “buy out” the American dollar. It would be like a Euro…and we all know how well that went over in Europe. So, today I hear the coin will be a common universal coin to be used in North America. It will be called the “Americus”. God, another Susan B. Anthony coin!!!

That said, most of the world hated nazis. Today, most of the world loves obama.

Conclusion:
Civil War is inevitable

It was 40 pages of watching for the highlighted web links, didn’t pay attention to what they were writing on that thread. In the tag thread, I only read a number of the posts that were posting plate numbers, discription and location of drivers, photos of a couple of people and photos of cars, it only took a few pages in that thread to get worried.