Obama Youth Brigades?

HAIL OBAMA!

I saw this a few days ago and the spam filter kept eating the posts. Notice they say Obama helped them become something as if he just snapped his fingers and it was so.

Notice they say Obama helped them become something as if he just snapped his fingers and it was so.

Well, no.

They say that he “inspired” them to “be the next” whatever it is they want to be when they grow up. Whether or not you like the idea of it, there are many people who find inspiration in the fact that a black man will likely be the next president of the United States. Would that all our leaders could be inspirational.

Second, this is a step team. Step teams have been around for a long time, and they have nothing to do with the Hitler youth movement.

“During the mid-20th century, traditionally Black fraternities and sororities on United States college campuses traditionally sang and chanted to celebrate “crossing over” into membership of their respective organizations. Notwithstanding its collegiate roots, stepping is also performed by schools, churches, cheerleading squads and drill teams.”

I could continue for 10 pages of what this Obama is all about… but I guess that by now, you’ve got my point.

Yes, I suppose you could. All of it, however, would be off the topic of my post. Gregory Dittman described what they were saying as, “Notice they say Obama helped them become something as if he just snapped his fingers and it was so.” That’s not at all what they say, and I was pointing that out. I’m not saying anything one way or the other about whether Obama in particular should inspire them, although I did mention that it would be nice for our leaders to be inspirational.

We don’t need no stinking reasons, were Obambi’s army. Seems I heard all this before, Seig heil. History means nothing unless you learn from it. it’s obvious some pay no attention to it, and that is not only scary, it’s suicidal.

I’ve checked the list that Dave Noble provided three times and, for the life of me, I have been unable to find a single person in there who consorted with, was close friends with, and worked for a person who bombed the Pentagon and the Capitol.

I also don’t find anyone in that list who sat for 20 plus years in a church pew every Sunday while someone like Jerry Wright was spewing hate.

There’s also not a person in your list who has accepted campaign money from foreign terror groups.

Perhaps I just missed that name, or perhaps your efforts at moral equivalence fail once again.

I’d bet on the latter.

Character calculator indeed.

Barrack Obama has never done anything in his life that would be inspirational to young blacks?

Not being the editor of the law review of one of the top five law schools in the country?

Not being a constitutional law professor for 12 years at what interestingly is one of the more conservative law schools in the country?

Not being a Illinois state senator who pushed through a law reguiring the videotaping of police station confessions? Which BTW is now the law in my state. And if you think that’s an anti-law and order requirement, I would suggest to you that it rather ensures that a jury can see the confession and not have a defense attorney make unfounded suggestions about what really took place at the station.

Not being a United States Senator who joined with Republican Senator Richard Lugar to co-sponsor a bill to expand the Nunn-Lugar program for monitoring nuclear stockpiles and keeping nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists?

Why, doggone, resumes like that are a dime a dozen.

Aye Chi,

Wrong on the “close friend” – “Friendly as in lived in the same neighborhood and their kids went to same schools” —-David Axelrod.

Substantiate the allegation of receiving campaign contributions from foreign terrorist groups.

Sorry to steer off-topic, but….

All men are flawed, Mata.

Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner.

How is that “a flaw”, other than by judging the 18th century by 20th and 21st century moral standards? Easy to do, today, armchaired by the distance of history.

Thomas Jefferson openly denounced slavery as a profound evil. To actually abolish slavery and free slaves was no simple task. In some places, it was legally impossible to do. Taking into consideration the context of the times that they lived in is vital to understanding why those who were against slavery were often at odds with the abolitionists, let alone with a world that “grew up” on the institution of slavery.

Thomas Sowell (“The Real History of Slavery”, in Black Rednecks and White Liberals):

One of the early battles that was lost [in the anti-slavery sentiments growing amongst colonialists] was Jefferson’s first draft of the Declaration of Independence, which criticized King George III for having enslaved Africans and for over-riding colonial Virginia’s attempt to ban slavery. The Continental Congress removed that phrase under pressure from representatives from the South.

When Jefferson drafted a state constitution for Virginia in 1776, his draft included a clause prohibiting any more importation of slaves an, in 1783, Jefferson included in a new draft of a Virginia constitution a proposal for gradual emancipation of slaves. He was defeated in both these efforts. on the national scene, Jefferson returned to the battle once again in 1784, proposing a law declaring slavery illegal in all western territories of the country as it existed at the that time. Such a ban would have kept slavery out of Alabama and Mississippi. The bill lost by one vote, that of a legislator too sick to come and vote. Afterwards, Jefferson said that the fate “of millions unborn” was “hanging on the tongue of one man, and heaven was silent in that awful moment.”

Three years later, however, Congress compromised by passing the Northwest Ordinance, making slavery illegal in the upper western territories, while allowing it in the lower western territories. Congress was later authorized to ban the African slave trade and Jefferson, now President, urged that they use that authority to stop Americans “from all further participation in those violations of human rights which has been so long continued on the unoffending inhabitants of Africa. Congress followed his urging.

Abstract moral decisions are much easier to make on paper or in a classroom in later centuries than in the midst of the dilemmas actually faced by those living in very different circumstances, including serious dangers.

One way to understand the constraints of the times and their effects on public attitudes is to examine the difference between the way that many in nineteenth-century America saw the slave trade, as distinguished from the way that they saw slavery itself. If the institution of slavery and the presence of millions of slaves were facts of life, within which many decision-makers felt trapped by having inherited the consequences of decisions made by others in generations before them, the continuing trade in slaves, whether from Africa or within the United States, was a contemporary problem that was within their control. Thus, decades before slavery was abolished, the United States joined in the outlawing of the international slave trade. Even many Americans not yet ready to support the abolition of slavery as an institution nevertheless made the bringing of more slaves from Africa a capital offense in the United States.

The moral distinction between slave trading and the continuation of slavery as an institution might be hard for some in later centuries to understand because, in the abstract, there is no moral difference. Only in the concrete circumstances faced by the people of the times was there a practical social difference.

doug,

You totally missed the point. Or did you just skim what I wrote and what was blockquoted? Try putting yourself in the context of the times, and the social constraints of what was possible. Your casting moral judgment is anachronistic. Moral choices can be made only from options that are actually available to be made. More excerpts from Sowell’s Black Rednecks and White Liberals:

We cannot assume twenty-first century options, or even present-day knowledge, when judging decisions made in the 19th century. Nor can we assume that we have superior knowledge of the social realities of an earlier era that we never lived through, compared to the first-hand knowledge of those who confronted those realities daily and inescapably.

Moral Questions about slavery have been, almost exclusively, Western moral questions.. Non-Western societies had neither moral concerns about slavery nor, in most cases, the power to decide on the continuance or extinction of the institution for themselves during the era of European imperialism, when slavery was suppressed over most of the world by the West. Not only has the West’s crucial role in the destruction of slavery around the world gone largely unnoticed, standards applied almost exclusively to the West have been used to condemn European and European offshoot societies for having once had slavery.

Even those Western leaders who sought to end slavery are condemned by critics today for not having done it sooner or faster. The dangers and constraints of their times have too often been either ignored or brushed aside as mere excuses, as if elected leaders operating under the constitutional law could simply decree whatever they felt was right.

Even those slaveholders with aversions to slavery in principle were constrained by a strong tradition of stewardship, in which the family inheritance was not theirs to dispose of in their own lifetime, but to pass on to others as it had been passed on to them. George Washington was one of those who had inherited slaves and, dying childless, freed his slaves in his will, effective on the death of his wife. His will also provided that slaves too old or too beset with “bodily infirmities” to take care of themselves should be taken care of by his estate, and that the children were to be “taught to read and write” and trained for “some useful occupation”.

This is an important point to highlight, because some like Jefferson and Washington understood that simply freeing slaves without giving them the necessary tools and means to survive in society was more like abandonment than liberation. They did consider the possibility of sending freed slaves back to Africa. But the reality was, many of these slaves no longer had ties to Africa, either.

One concrete result of the back-to-Africa movement was the establishment of the colony of Liberia on the West African coast, to which freed American blacks were sent during the administration of James Monroe, for whom they named their capital Monrovia. These first settlers were decimated by African diseases to which they no longer had biological resistance- which was just one of the problems of trying to undo the past.

Frederick Douglass himself, refused the offer to be sent to Africa, seeing himself as an American.

[Washington's] estate in fact continued to pay for the support of some freed slaves for decades after his death, in accordance to his will.

The part of Washington’s will dealing with slaves filled almost three pages, and the tone as well as the length of it showed his concerns.

The language of the will was written in very legalistic terms; but when it came to speaking about what was to become of his slaves, he spoke with the passionate command of issuing an executive decree: “I do hereby expressly forbid the sale…of any Slave I may die possessed of, under any pretext whatsoever.”

“There is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it.” Washington once said, in regards to slavery as a national issue. The moral question for him was easy; but how to carry it out with compassion and foresight planning was a complex matter. Only through legislation, did Washington see it as a realistic possibility to end the institution; and he said that the legislator who could achieve that, would get his vote.

During his public life, Washington was known to leave behind slaves he brought with him on his travels to the north, in effect, freeing them. His behavior as a slaveowner is also noted in Richard Brookhiser’s Founding Father:

Beginning in the early 1770’s, he rarely bought a slave and he would not sell one, unless the slave consented, which never happened. not selling slaves was an economic loss. Slave labor on a plantation with soil as poor as Mount Veronon brought in little or nothing…The only profit a man in his position would make was by selling slaves to states where agriculture was more flourishing. Washington would not. “I am principled against selling negroes as you would do cattle at a market…” From 1775 until his death, the slave population at Mount Vernon more than doubled.

Wordsmith, few drop bottom to an absolute and full cultural and historical anthropological construction of human morality than I. Yet, Jefferson and Washington cannot be equated to typical slave owners, being men of many means.

Obviously, I’m going to disagree with Sowell and many of his thoughts. (If you want to discuss his ideas after the election, I’ll be game then.)

Can’t have that sort of thing out there now, can we…! Looks like the poster might have been “caught”…guess Missouri has a lot of Obama supporters.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/06/middle-school-teacher-suspended-obama-frat-spat/

Gotta wonder about lots of things about this…the article says the teacher was sent a letter telling him not to post the video…why? who else received the letter? what did the letter say?
Is race a factor here? all the boys on the “team” are black, and the school is a charter school…is everybody there black? is the teacher? the superintendant? Given the comment about the coach who intends to vote for Obama based solely on his race, is that a factor here?

Don Ess,

You have forgotten to ask Dave about Obama and Odinga connections. That dictator in Kenya, where Obama went in 2006 with your tax money to help him win the election.

“What should Americans make of Mr. Obama’s Kenyan connection? If he has been putting tribal or family considerations above America’s national interest by supporting Mr. Odinga’s anti-Western candidacy, it raises serious questions about his judgement.

If Mr. Obama did not know about Mr. Odinga’s electoral deal with the Kenyan Islamists when he offered his support, then he should have known. If he did know, then he is guilty of lending the prestige of his office to America’s enemies in the global war on terror. We need to know exactly what Mr. Obama knew about Mr. Odinga, and precisely when he knew it.”

Read the rest:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/01/atlas-sighting.html

These look like the fat Albert Kids…… german hitler youth ?

Obama will make a geat president to me i dont care about some one he met when he was 8 so quite with the crying already all you pubican do his cry and wine you all make me laugh like your doing actual detective work and then listen to on air idiots about there personal live I dont give a heck about there personal business ass long as they can run this country who care what they do on there own time sorry for the fast write down but in a hurry LOL you all really make me laugh that you all gettin work up over this election crap who ever it is mckain a scare away from the heart attack rather have obama if he drop the ball atleast biden there for help sorry palin and her red lipstick can go home to me

Ummm…..

He didn’t meet Ayers when he was eight.

You really don’t have a clue do you?

Imagine how the Millhouse supporters will act if their canidate looses…………

maybe someone should put this on tv as a commercial. scary doesnt even come close.

if you love your personal and civil rights wake up and vote!!!

This is the scariest thing I’ve ever seen. We cannot let this man into the White House. We cannot.

Don Ess (#32),

Those 18 items in your list should make a perfect ad for McCain.

The title could be:
WHAT YOU WILL NEVER KNOW ABOUT OBAMA
Imagine viewers reading that list on TV as it would unroll?

Dave Noble’s Obama accomplishments:

Not being the editor of the law review of one of the top five law schools in the country?

This is an accomplishment, yes. Is it a swooner for anyone? I doubt any one of these kids idolizes Obama because he was an editor of an elite law rag.

Not being a constitutional law professor for 12 years at what interestingly is one of the more conservative law schools in the country?

I’m sorry… I didn’t realize Obama was the first black professor…. LOL I also didn’t realize professors had such world wide inspirational appeal.

Not being a Illinois state senator who pushed through … snip

Funny about that Obama IL state record. His correspondence and records are unavailable… destroyed, I hear. But according to most accounts, his record as a state Senator are about as listless and scant as his US record. Not much being touted on the campaign trail either.

Not being a United States Senator who joined with Republican Senator Richard Lugar to co-sponsor a bill to expand the Nunn-Lugar program for monitoring nuclear stockpiles and keeping nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists?

Oh, you mean the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction Act of 2005 that went to the Committee for Armed Services and was never heard from again? The same one that had 38 other sponsors, besides Obama and not including Lugar? This is what you’re giving him credit for?

That bill wasn’t designed to do anything but modify where they could use program funds. Are you under some impression it’s an accomplishment for any of the 40 bipartisan Senators? ANd where the heck did you get the notion that flipping around the program funds would “keep nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists”?? It’s a budget issue. Oh, and perhaps an over exaggerated Obama talking point. He doesn’t have much else to talk about.

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Now, compare Obama’s lackluster career with Clarence Thomas… another lawyer. Obama got out of school… sorta, as profs never really leave school… and tied himself up with the Chicago political machine and ACORN as a community organizer fundraiser.

Clarence Thomas was graduated from Yale, then became an Asst AG in Missouri. It seems the law firms didn’t want to take his Yale degree seriously because they thought it was just affirmative action. Obama, of course, did not have that problem in Harvard…. different era, different world. Hardly as “uphill”

But that hasn’t stopped Obama from complaining that America is not what it once was… good thing for his butt, or that law review editor gig wouldn’t have been.

A few years later, Thomas became Danforth’s Legislative Asst. After that, he was in Reagan’s Education Dept as Asst. Secy of Education for the Office of Civil Rights. And he did all that by the time he was 34 years old.

Where was Obama by that age? He was newbie fresh with ACORN training experience, and part of alegal support team defense in suing banks for redlining…. the perfect experience for getting tapped by fellow Woods Fund board member, William Ayers, to help funnel $160 mil of funds to political friends with the CAC money.

Thomas was four years younger than Obama is today when he was appointed to the SCOTUS. Today Obama’s riding the media wave frenzy with no notable experience but a good speech in 2004. He’s been a drive thru member in the IL Senate, and the same in the US Senate.

Inspiration has always been there for those that were looking. It just didn’t come packaged in flash and rock star stage settings. ANd I find it sad that someone like Thomas can be discarded, and an empty suit like Obama becomes an idol.

Other than that, I agree with “what the”… it’s good these kids are inspired and have some direction. I’m just sorry they think they couldn’t do it without Obama. Fact is, they never needed him. There were so many around with far more to offer.

I do not need a marxist like obama to inspire me. god can do that. the marxist obama with other people’s money can rent people to say and do any thing that he want them to say or do.
then they can go out and buy them some more crack with the money.

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR THE LONGEST TIME!!! PEOPLE — LISTEN!!! CANT FOLKS SEE BY GIVING THE FAR LEFT DEMOCRATS THE PRESIDENCY AND A FILIBUSTER PROOF CONGRESS IS THE EQUAL TO HOW HITLER BEGAN??? AND WHO THIS TIME WILL THEY PICK TO PERSECUTE ??? WHO NOW WILL SUFFER?

listen to this crap!!!!!!
Author: THE LIGHT
Comment:
ARE ALL OF YOU SERIOUS WITH YOUR IGNORANT RHETORIC!!! THIS IS ACTUALLY CALLED STEPPING. IT’S IN THE OLD TRADITION WITHIN AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY THAT IS UTILIZED IN FRATERNAL ORGANIZIONS AND THE LIKE. I CAN ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE WONDERFUL REBUPLICAN SPIN ON A TRADITION TO SIDE WITH THAT GREAT IMPOSTER OF A MAVERICK! THIS IS IGNORANCE AT IT’S FINEST!

DUH

AN OLD TRADITION—FROM WHO??? HITLER YOUTH SQUADS !!!
WE HAVE AMERICAN TRADITIONS —- WE DONT NEED ANY ETHNIC TRADITIONS!!!!
WE ARE ALL AMERICANS AND ONLY LIBS LOVE TO DIVIDE US

I’M SORRY PROFESSOR. SOMEHOW I OVERLOOKED A MINOR GRAMMATICAL ERROR. THE ESSENCE OF STEPPING INCLUDES CHANTING. I UNDERSTAND HOW THIS MAY BE A LITTLE INTIMIDATING FOR YOU AND CHET ESPECIALLY, WHO DOESN’T NEED ANY ETHNIC TRADITIONS!

WELL CHET, IF WE DO NOT NEED ANY ETHNIC TRADITIONS, YOU DO NOT NEED AMERICA APPARENTLY! HAVE YOU HAD ANY ITALIAN DISHES LATELY? SOME CHINESE TAKEOUT MAYBE? RIDE A RAILROAD LATELY? WEAR ANY CLOTHING MADE OF COTTON? THE FABRIC OF THIS COUNTRY IS BUILT ON A MULTITUDE OF ETHNICITIES. MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE A GANDER AT THE PICTURE POSTED BELOW THE YOUTUBE CLIP. DOES IT LOOK FAMILIAR TO YOU? AMOST LIKE LOOKING INTO A MIRROR, HUH?

Light, that should be “I’m sorry COMMA professor” unless you’re trying to say you are a sorry professor. BUT I do agree 100% with you about the fabric of this great country being built on a multitude of ethnicities. As you know, a great deal of what makes our country unique (and great) comes from that diversity. Compare the benefits and freedom we enjoy as Americans with a culture where there is allowed just one ethnicity, oh, let’s say, as in every Muslim country? Do not fool yourself with the thought that Lil’ Barry Hussein Obama has forsaken his Muslim roots. He has too many unexplained (and mainstream media-ignored) ties with shady Muslims. Or does that not bother you? Do you know how he got into Harvard Law School?
Let me tell you. He had the assistance of Khalid Al-Mansour, a Black Muslim and Black Nationalist, a mentor to the founders of the Black Panther party.

Btw, the FEC asked the Obama campaign to verify a series of $25 donations from a contributor identified as “Will, Good” from Austin, Texas. Mr. Goodwill made more than 1,000 contributions of $25 with the same credit card. “Pro Doodad” also gave similar contributions, as did many, many others. There are 11,500 listed contributions of more than $34 million from Iran, Saudi Arabia and Middle Eastern countries. Any of THAT bother you?

Can any of you posters affix a time, or date to this very chilling video clip.

Yeah,

Obama inspired them the same way Reverend Wright inspired him! Maybe they are students from one of the schools that Obama funded with William Ayres!

Here’s what aired on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 last night.

If the left leaning CNN can find this much damning info, one can only imagine how much more remains that they wouldn’t air.

Some of the things said by Mark Levin and others on this site, and the radio station, (WMAL, D.C.),
I listen to sometime each day, are racist comments. Hannity, Limbaugh, etc., have been
assinating Senator Obama’s character since before this Presidential race began. And now it is
actually unbelievable some of the things I hear you guys say about this man. When all of you
conservatives say that Obama is friends with a terrorist, you are basically saying that Obama is
a TERRORIST. You all know that is not true. You say he attends a racist church. People go
to church to worship. What Reverend Wright has to say, and what you have to say about his
church, should be directed to Reverend Wright, and not Senator Obama.

You conservatives swear you are the MOST INTELLIGENT minds in the world.
You concervatives think you are the only ones that love this great country of America.
I am sure most liberals love this country as much if not more that all of you.
I am here to tell you that if you all are so intelligent, why aren’t YOU RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT ?

I am sick of all the garbage all of you guys spit out each day.

Here on this site you say that a bunch of kids in camoflage pants, supporting Obama is
“SCARY”. You need to get a grip. If you want to be afraid of something and publish it, you
should be putting some utube videos of those racist Skinheads para-military training. But,
I know, that probably does not frighten you.

Obama’s not scary, but the majority of you are. You pray for God not to elect someone you don’t like? Who are you to tell God what his will is? You call Obama un-American, yet sing praises of Palin who praised her husbands party that wanted to succeed from America, whose leader said he wouldn’t be buried under the US flag. Palin also praises a witch hunter who laid hands on her, this witch hunter drove out a poor woman in Africa for being ‘a witch’, thought we stopped that in Salem 300 years ago? This is your icon?

You guys then go on to question Obama’s background? McCain has so many skeletons in his closet it’s not funny, do yourself a favor and look up Keating 5. He ditched his wife after she was in an accident.

Palin saying Obama ‘pals around with terrorists’, a person at her rally calling for Obama’s death, you guys comparing him to Hitler? You guys are the most frightning thing about this country, those who refuse change and threaten it with violence, or slander it with lies.

Hahahahaahahaha. I think its true. All the black people voted for Obama because hes black. So itll happen.

H.L. said:
I listen to sometime each day, are racist comments. Hannity, Limbaugh, etc., have been
assinating Senator Obama’s character since before this Presidential race began.

character: 1. a person, esp. with reference to behavior or personality
2. moral or ethical quality
3. the aggregate of features and traits that form the individual nature of some
person, or thing
4. moral or ethical quality
5. reputation (the ONLY thing that can be carried to the grave with you)

Character isn’t everything, it’s the ONLY thing.

Obama’s not scary, but the majority of you are. You pray for God not to elect someone you don’t like? Who are you to tell God what his will is? You call Obama un-American, yet sing praises of Palin who praised her husbands party that wanted to succeed from America, whose leader said he wouldn’t be buried under the US flag. Palin also praises a witch hunter who laid hands on her, this witch hunter drove out a poor woman in Africa for being ‘a witch’, thought we stopped that in Salem 300 years ago? This is your icon?

You guys then go on to question Obama’s background? McCain has so many skeletons in his closet it’s not funny, do yourself a favor and look up Keating 5. He ditched his wife after she was in an accident.

Palin saying Obama ‘pals around with terrorists’, a person at her rally calling for Obama’s death, you guys comparing him to Hitler? You guys are the most frightning thing about this country, those who refuse change and threaten it with violence, or slander it with lies.

*sniff*…..that was…beautiful.

More please. I want to hear more about Palin the friend of witch hunters and her Salem connection.

Soooooooooo….cool!!!!!!

If it steps like a goose…..

@mck: This has nothing to do with race and has everything to do with what they are saying. It is scary when kids think a person can make them achieve without earning it or getting an education. HAIL OBAMA– ALL GIVING– ALL CARING– ALL KNOWING– LORD MESIAH!!!!!!!!!!!

I think we scared Wow away!

from Human Events:
“The high-risk subprime mortgage social engineering community service experiment by left-wing ACORN and Obama has created the largest financial crisis since The Great Depression. The full reach of the corruption and scandal may never be known but those who created it must not be rewarded. The architects, primarily left-wing Democrats, created laws, took donations, looked the other way and instead were too busy overseeing donations to their own presidential campaigns and robbing main street blind. Now these same left-wing Democrats blame everyone else and get up on their high horses and say, “we are here to save you” from the crises they created.”

The something for nothing crowd has struck again.

god bless obama he has my vote!

Pat, I’m not sure what God plans to do but when Barry Hussein Obama el Cid looks for a blessing my money is on Allah.
But, really now, what has he accomplished and what are his qualifications for the most important job in the Free World? I know you know the answers to those two Qs are “zip” and “zilch”. That’s it! He’s not about Hope and Change…he’s about Zip and Zilch.

Mike:
I think you’ve nailed it, unfortunately.

I am sick to my stomach. Please check out my blog for my personal tale: Secret Service showing up on my steps to interrogate me after an offended Obama campaign volunteer’s call to my cell phone.

Has anyone commented on what they are saying as they march in? It took me a couple listens but they are saying “Alpha! Omega!”

Jesus Christ said He was the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. We are in dangerous territory here with this cultic following. Fascism has always been a youth movement, never forget it.

According to most
Conservatives, African Americans will vote for Senator Obama simply because he’s Black.
Please give us credit for a little more intelligence than that. African Americans have to live and support their families here in this country, just as you all do.

H.L. I don’t think all blacks are voting simply because of this; but I think there are those who are- even if they aren’t consciously aware, or willing to admit it to themselves. This is anecdotal, but here’s an email a friend of mine sent me:

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:07 AM, donna wrote:

So tonight at the college while Nika was training , I spoke with a black
guy coach doing his privates.
He had Obama written on his chest.
I asked him in one sentence why Obama, he said
” he’s black, end of story”

I let him go on and basically he represents a future for his son, that if he
can make it to the white house than his son can.
I told him, but what if, what if>>>> he’s not the right guy, the smartest choice?
He said, blood is thicker than water, and his pigmentation says he’s the right guy.

This coach is no idiot either….but his passion ran so deep, he was jumping off
the walls talking about it.
Interesting huh?

And then there are those who feel the tug of race identity loyalty and the breaking of glass ceilings. I listened to conservative John McWhorter who admitted that he disagrees on policy issues with Obama; but that it didn’t matter. He was going to hold his nose on political differences and vote for Obama anyway, because he felt the symbolic, historic nature of a black president in office will do more healing for the country than the harm an Obama presidency will bring about, policy-wise. I don’t think it will. It will not end the racial divide. Nor, do I think it’s worth the cost to find out.

If EVERY African
American in this country voted for Senator Obama, it still would not assure him the Presidency.

No, of course not, when only 13%-18%(?) of the population is black.

There are MILLIONS of White Americans that support this man. Would you like to have me believe
that all of these people have been blinded by Senator Obama’s charisma, smile or novelty. Of
coruse not. They know of this man’s background.

I believe many of them suffer from “white guilt”. Hence, they are liberal, trying to tell people how blacks feel, perpetuating the victim mentality and the belief that racism and slavery are uniquely American.

Others are simply party loyalists, who vote Democrat and are dye-in-the-wool, liberal sheep. They’d vote for whatever candidate the Party put forth. Then there are those who are mesmerized by Obama’s magnatism, charisma, and his campaign of hope and change, because they’ve been misled into believing that the last 8 years, they’ve been living in the age of the Apocalypse…even if they have two homes, 4 cars, and a yacht. Somehow, the sky is falling, and the Bush years are the worst years of their lives.

From my interactions with people, his supporters DON’T know the man’s background. And those who have access to listen to those inquiring into Obama’s background, refuse to look. How much do you really know about the man? I think we know very little:

Why much of the public and the media have been so mesmerized by the words and the image of Obama, and so little interested in learning about the factual reality, was perhaps best explained by an official of the Democratic Party: “People don’t come to Obama for what he’s done, they come because of what they hope he can be.”

H.L., I would be willing to bet a sizeable amount of the money that you KNOW very little, or virtually nothing about the history of Barack Hussein Obama. Go buy, or check it out of the library, a book written by a distinguished writer by the name of Jerome R Corsi PhD. The title of the book is “The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics And The Cult Of Personality.” The information in Dr Corsi’s book is all documented. The man carries a huge amount of baggage that, in my humble opinion, makes him unelectable. He has yet to break the magic 50% internals poll.
I’m going to make an educated assumption that you are a man of color. 95% of the black community is going to vote for Obama SOLELY on the color of his skin, and the majority of that 95% wouldn’t know what an issue was if it jumped up and smacked them in the face. The 15% of the black community that aren’t going to vote for Obama are the ones that have done their homework, and see the man for what he really is–an empty suited, tax and spend marxist, that speaks well, when in front of a teleprompter, but stumbles badly when away from it.

Percentages no, turnout yes. I’m sticking to my math statement as well.

FOR TRUCKINJARHEAD -

YES, I AM AN AFRICAN AMERICAN – THAT’S AT LEAST ONE THING YOU GOT RIGHT!
WHAT YOU DON’T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU HAVE MADE IT YOUR BUSINESS TO
TRY TO INVESTIGATE SENATOR OBAMA’S BACKGROUND AND HISTORY. WHY, BECAUSE HE DOES
NOT “LOOK” LIKE YOU. I KNOW, (AS WELL AS MANY OTHER INTELLIGENT AMERICANS), ALL I
NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS MAN. FURTHER, DID YOU MAKE IT A POINT TO PRY INTO YOUR
CURRENT PRESIDENT’S BACKGROUND EIGHT YEARS AGO? I AM SURE YOU DID NOT. YOU JUST
ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT HE WAS A WHITE MALE. SO THAT MADE IT O.K., BECAUSE HE LOOKS
LIKE YOU.
AND, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOUR OPINION SHOULD BE HUMBLED, BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG.
BUT PLEASE, CONTINUE READING THESE BOOKS ON PEOPLES LIVES. BUT PLEASE MAKE SURE
YOU READ UP ON EVERYONE, INCLUDING LOSERS LIKE GUN TOTIN SARA AND GUN SHOOTIN
CHANEY.

@H.L.:

I KNOW, (AS WELL AS MANY OTHER INTELLIGENT AMERICANS), ALL I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS MAN.

Tell me HL, what is Obama’s position on the BAIPA?

Tell me HL about Obama’s connections to ACORN.

Tell me HL about the money that Obama got from FreddieMac and FannieMae.

Tell me HL about how Obama was able to get Alice Palmer disqualified in order for him to go on to be the Dim nominee for Senate.

Tell me HL about how Obama sat in church for 20 plus years listening to Rev. Jeremiah Wright spewing hate.

Tell me about Obama’s membership in the “New Party” in IL.

Tell me about Obama’s friendship with a confessed, non-repentant terrorist.

Tell me about Obama’s job at the Sidley & Austin Law Firm, where, oddly enough, Bernadine Dorhn was also working.

Tell me about how Obama supported gay marriage when he ran for the IL Senate in 1996.

Tell me about Obama’s membership in the Students for Economic Democracy (SED), a radical socialist “cousin” organization of the Students for a Democratic Society. (1981, New York)

Tell me HL.

If you know everything you need to know about Obama, then this should be light work for you.

Let’s see if you are as informed as you as you would like for us to believe.

Let’s see how intelligent you are.

Let’s see.

By the way, lose the ALL CAPS.

On the Internet that is considered to be shouting and is regarded as rude.

EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PRESIDENTAL ELECTION IS ABOUT RACE.

That’s such a load of horse shit.

I’m voting based on the issues.

Not on skin color.

I like to follow the words and ideas of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Remember him?

This is what he said:

“I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”

I have examined him closely and find his character to be sorely lacking.

Tell me sir, exactly, what has Barack Obama done in his life that qualifies him to be President of the United States.

What accomplishments does he have that would possibly override his character issues?

Why should I vote for someone for President of the United States of America when the candidate in question would not even be able to get a security clearance as a civilian?

Tell me.

What do I not know?

No use waisting good oxygen on H.L. anymore. True to his liberal viewpoint, he refuses to answer your fact based questions and instead asks us non fact base questions in response.

Sorry if he feels that we are “brainwashed” by constitutional lawyers who know more about the constitution than most past presidents and current candidates. I would rather put my trust in their opinions than a former Saturday Night Live second rate cast member!

Furthermore, anyone voting for a candidate based on skin color, sex, age or any other personal traits like that don’t really belong in a voting booth. They need to have a presidential election in the American idol format to vote. Obviously the issues are not even in there thought process.

EMJAY,

To get something done in your country, it is very easy… get rid of all Democrats lesfists. Then you will be on the right path to get things done. As easy as that.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. fought for EQUALITY, not for black dominance. And just like Aye quoted, he wanted a nation where the blacks wouldn’t be judged for the color of their skin but for the content of their character. Obama was the one who brought up the race card, implicating McCain as being racist in the first place. You cannot compare this man to Dr. King. I’d say that by voting and voting ONLY based on the color of skin, all those celebrities including Ludacris and Diddy are putting the Dr. to shame.

H.L. —-
WORDSMITH
You are so very correct, this election is about race. The only reason I am forced to listen to Barrack spout his ideas is because he is black. It certainly is not because he is the most qualified democratic candidate. He is just the candidate that got the nod because the Dems think his “blackness will win them the election, he is being used and knows it but is willing because of what it means to him and to Black Americans. He will be the Democratic pawn president. The sad part is that the underqualified Sarah Palin is also in to offset his blackness with her womaness…lol
I voted for Bush because he was the lesser of the evils and he has provided some disappointment with his domestic policies. I will again vote republican just because it is the lesser of two evils. Now that your foaming at the mouth H.L. I will add that if we could get a good ticket like Mrs. Rice and Mr. Powell, I could get the “white guilt” vote out of my system and get two candidates I would willingly support ,someone qualfied for the job as well. Senator Obama is an intelligent man that wants to be president, he may just get that. The democratic party is full of men more qualified and perhaps even more intelligent, why are they not the candidates- his blackness gives him an edge………
Wordsmith-
You are right on target.
None of them will fix a damn thing, we can only hope they don’t break anything else.

@Jason:

What’s really ironic is that Obama’s ancestors were slave traders.

Obama for next president…..NOT!

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-international-socialist-connections/

Uhm…can someone do an IP check on these users who are using all caps lock? It’s getting kinda annoying…

“I long for the day that a conservative candidate will run for the presidency or any other office using conservative values in the campaign.”(Chadwick)

That will be Sarah Palin in 2012, after 4 years of experience as a VP… be patient.

I’m just turning 18 and this is my first election to vote in….Of course my family is wanting me to vote for who they are voting for, Obama, but as i read over all of the past posts my decision that I’m going to make is becoming unclear because both parties are making valid points.

I am a young black female who was raised believing that all men are created equal and though I believe race is an issue it’s not what this election is solely based on. One comment I strongly disagree with is one that said 95% of black peolple are voting for Obama because he is black. Yes, there are those voting for him for that reason, but there are others who do research the past and what he is doing in the present such as his financial advisor(well used to be) Franklin Raines who was offiliated with the fannie mae and freddie mac scandal and alot of his contributions came from these companies

I know this post may not have any meaning being that I’m not taking any parties side yet. but I just wanted to point out that my generation is out there listening and doing just as much research as others, not all of us are sitting around on myspace all day and we do want to be heard in this election.

As far as the video goes, growing up in a black community this is a very common sight and is thought of as a form of expression and i didnt really see any harm in it, evry one has a right to their own opinion, so if they feel that Obama has done that for them then we should give them accolades for wanting do something positive in theor lives.

FOR AYE CHIHUAHUA -

I typed in ALL CAPS because I was SHOUTING !! You guys are so locked in you just don’t get it.
I know this is basically a “Conservative” site, but doesn’t seem strange to you that there doesn’t
seem to be ANY conversation from any of you “Obama Haters” , stressing information on
your nominees McCain or Palin. Almost everything in this post, (from you so-called non-racists),
is something NEGATIVE about Senator Obama. As I stated in a previous e-mail, I know all I care
to know about Senator Obama and I don’t need to TELL YOU anything. Who are you supposed to be? You are just another person on this site that has an opinion and 1 vote, just as I do. So you
vote for whom you please as will I.

What you and all of the other “Obama Haters” here need to do is stop spreading this nonsense about Senator Obama and start writing wholeheartedly about what McCain and Palin can do for this country. I guess that ’s a pretty tall task seeing that either of them has not done it yet in any debate so far. And what about the negative backgrounds for each of them? Are you going to tell me that each of them have and had “Pristine” lives. Absolutely not, but I am sure you care not to venture there.

Some here have called me a racist. Well all I can say about that is for any of you that feel that way about me to JUST LOOK IN THE MIRROR !!!

@H.L.:

Almost everything in this post, (from you so-called non-racists), is something NEGATIVE about Senator Obama.

So, it’s your contention that everyone who criticizes Obama is doing it from a racial standpoint.

Interesting.

As I stated in a previous e-mail, I know all I care to know about Senator Obama

Really?

Then tell me what you know.

Tell me why you are voting for him?

Give us the reasons why you find him qualified.

What are his accomplishments?

I’ve provided you with just a partial listing of why I WON’T be voting for him.

What you and all of the other “Obama Haters” here need to do is stop spreading this nonsense about Senator Obama and start writing wholeheartedly about what McCain and Palin can do for this country. I guess that ’s a pretty tall task seeing that either of them has not done it yet in any debate so far.

You should do a little more looking around here to find out exactly what has been posted regarding McCain and Palin.

You’ll be surprised how thoroughly we have evaluated their plans for our country.

Is McCain the perfect candidate? No.

Is he much better than Obama in every aspect? Absolutely.

And what about the negative backgrounds for each of them? Are you going to tell me that each of them have and had “Pristine” lives. Absolutely not, but I am sure you care not to venture there.

What about their backgrounds is negative?

If you have anything to back that assertion up it should be very easy for you to do so.

Present that info for us to evaluate.

Support your position.

Until then, it’s just another false accusation that you have slung out there.

Some here have called me a racist.

Your words are all there for everyone to evaluate and reach their own conclusions.

If the shoe fits, lace it up and wear it.

We see this today in China, North Korea, Iran and formerly Iraq and the list goes on. The one thing you know is they are far from democratic societies and nowhere close to what we want in America. If Barry Obama is elected and he has shows where thousands of Flag twirling youths march to Hitleresque trappings we can be sure his mentors, the Rev Wright, Chickens have come home, not to roost but to promote Obama’s socialist society.

American Pie:
I am new to reading blogs and I can tell you that an all caps post appears to be what I would call spam and trying to read the post does aggravate my eyes. One reason I think that using caps would indicate that the words are meant to be yelled, is your last post. The “DON’T READ IT!!!!!!!!!!” appears to be someone wanting to make the statement loudly and with great emphasis. If you put your entire post in caps I see a person with large eyes and turning red faced and in the end simply insane.

Excellent post, geokstr.

As far as I’m concerned, I love Bush, always did, always will. Bush is a created monster by the leftists MSM. That’s all. And ignorant people go for that.

Chadwick: Just leave the clueless child alone. Dealing with him will only cause you unnecessary headaches.

This election is all about race, Aye. It’s a truly sickening thought that the black community hasn’t participated in the American elections before because it was white men running on both sides. Really says something about how racism still lingers in our society after all we have gone through, after all the lives sacrificed. It makes me think that the words of the great Dr. King Jr have gone to waste. That’s why we still have people like Farrakhan and Wright in our world.

I guess the Dems pulled out the heavy artillery in this race for complete domination of the American government – knowing that choosing a black man will get them almost all the votes of a popular race here in America, they nominated Obama. Now the people are so eluded by his speeches and so blind to his policies that they’ll vote for him no matter what, ignoring the fact that this is a man who is willing to “encourage” democracy in Muslim countries, countries who already hate us for all that we stand for (ie our freedoms and our system of government).

Aye,
That video gives goose pimples. Should be seen by all white American voters, so none will be tempted to vote for Obama.

Rocky,
Of course there will be riots. Most people who riot won’t even know why they are doing so ,but , they will go out and “get some.” Do you remember Rodney King? They turned over LA and looted anything they could get there hands on. Anything for free!!!!! Our country is very much on the brink of dangerous times. This is just the beginning. Our government is very much satisfied the way things are going. Ever hear of the New World Order? We are going that way. They want to disarm America so that you won’t be able to protect you and your family. They want to take away our guns so we are helpless in any given situation. But , the criminal will always get his weapon no matter what. Read the book Rule by Secrecy by Jim Marrs , it will scare the hell out of you. At the same time , you will see what i am saying to you. Look at the stock market. Our dollar will not be worth anything very soon. Enter , the Euro Dollar. Same currency for the whole world. We are heading towards that way of living. Everyday our rights are being diminished. They want the average guy to have nothing. Big brother was just a little later than was expected. It’s happening all around us.

I don’t see what every one is afraid of. Just some kids with a plan for the future. Hitler has nothing to do with this.

@MataHarley:

I don’t see what every one is afraid of. Just some kids with a plan for the future. Hitler has nothing to do with this.

Sure…….

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA..

American Pie;
Actually my riot question was rhetorical. I’m old school Reform Party. Former NAFTA opposed, Perot supporter & Chuck Harder listener. So I’m knowledgeable of the Illuminati, Top Secret Magic, Buildeburgers, Magestic, the Clinton Conspiracys, Skull & Crossbones, Trilateral Commission, One Worlders, etceteras, so I know where you’re coming from.

Yes, the Socialist Agenda could easily tie into it as well. However, if it is more of the elitist Illuminoid secret society faction, it doesn’t make a lot of sense. Socialism failed them woefully with the Nazi Germany Republic and USSR Empire Building Experiments. Socialism was a complete failure with both and the former USSR turned to Capitalism. Again, it just doesn’t make sense.

I never quite get what stealing big screen TV’s had to do with Rodney King, Civil Rights, or the first O.J. trial, but that is a small taste of what we’re in for. Any excuse is a good excuse for the lawless in our society to raise Hell. The post was just to pass on a hint from yer ol’ Uncle Rock; Best stock up the groceries & gas before this election and keep your travel to school, work, and home for say around two weeks after you vote. If Obama loses folk’s, it’s gonna’ get plenty ugly out there.

Oh, speaking of which, I saw today where the Reform Party has thrown their support behind the McCain-Palin ticket, that should be a big tap on the shoulder to my fellow Indies. They haven’t supported either DNC or GOP candidates since the Perot run.

@Wow:

Yes…what about the Keating 5? You should read the actual history of that case. The attorney who tried that case (a Democrat b/t/w – Bob Bennett) after reviewing the facts of the record, recommended McCain be exhonorated – should have never been a part of the claim in the first place. This recommended was squashed becuase the others involved were…uh…DEMs and you know, we can’t have a case naming only DEMs…Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI) – so they denied the recommendation to clear Senator McCain. THIS is your big skeleton. Scawy.

AND…his skeletons AREn’t in his closet – they’re paraded about every day where if anyone on the “other side” asks a pointed question about Obama, we are called racists and the question is blown off. What a bunch of crap.

Rocky,
My hat is off to you!

Macsdragon3:
I would love to have a bumper sticker that reads “You can either make an informed decision, or you can vote DEMOCRAT”. That statement perfectly sums up my feelings toward democrat politics.

Moby Alert!

Moby Alert!

Aisle 156.

Growlroo,
The Democrats (your chosen party) are only interested in keeping people like you addicted to government programs. If they weren’t, they would have changed all the social programs (that I pay for with my tax dollars) so that homeless, jobless people like you would get off your lazy backsides and find a job, find a place to live, and contribute to the economy instead of mooching off of my hard-earned pay. But, since their voter base is made up of lazy, good-for-nothing losers like yourself, they keep you addicted to the government checks and programs. That way, the more they give you, of my money, the more you will like them and vote them back into power.
As for being “joe-sixpack”. I am very proud of the fact that I actually get up in the morning and go to work at a job that I enjoy that pays me enough to live a very comfortable life. I ride my Harley, drive my BMW, and my wife drives her new jeep. We go where we want when we want because I have a real job that pays me sufficient income to enjoy life.
Now, if you want to vote for a man that has yet to tell the truth about his past life, that is your choice. But, when intelligent, logical thinking people like myself examine his record (or lack thereof) look into his backround and find the glaring lies and deceptions, and point them out to you; you “goose-step” your way right behind him and, with no facts and no explanations, believe what he says and back him up.
So you go ahead and keep Nancy in charge, vote for Obama, and since I have a job, I will sit back and watch the nation fall on its face with your people in charge. Your man voted for the bailout as well. Me, I think it was a mistake and would have voted against it had I had a vote on the matter. I think that the bailout needed to include clauses that hold the corporations liable and responsible for their actions and punished those in charge financially as well as punitively. No, the bailout will not help me since I am already financially sound and have no difficulty paying my mortgage on my own. It will not help you out either since you don’t have a job and cannot afford to purchase a home of your own. So, you just enjoy your HUD home that I am helping pay for, and keep sitting on your backside waiting for the checks that are being paid for out of my salary.

Thanks Emjay,
It is nice to find out that there are other “intelligent” people out there that are involved in the process.

I noticed that you didn’t take a stand either way. Nothing wrong with that and I actually respect that you said your piece without stating which party you favor. It makes it much more difficult for the nut cases out there to attack if they don’t know which beliefs you hold.

Understanding other cultures while loving America,

The first problem you have here is the biggest problem facing America and you have made it completely evident with your choice of words. What is it? Simple! You are not a member of the American society.

Why do I say this? You are a member of the exclusive “Black society”. You are either an American, or an African, you can not be both! If more people understood that there is only one society in America, and that all of the individuals in America belong to it, our problems with race, religion, ethnicity, gender, and every other difference would not exist. The laws in America are not written to apply to just balck people, just asian people, just white people, or any other groups. The problem is that there are too many individuals, like yourself, that stress that they are a member of the “Black” or “Hispanic” or “Asian” or “Gay” or whatever other “society” they claim to be a part of. You state that you are a member of a “black” Greek letter organization, not just a member of a Greek letter organization. That, in itself, shows that your are racist and have racist views. You are stating that a white man, or hispanic man, or asian man (yes, you can read women instead of man since it makes no difference in this context) is not welcome in your “Black” Greek letter organization. This exclusion is racist and is the root problem in America!

I am an American! Period! My ancestors were from other countries, but, I am American. That makes me part of the greatest nation ever to grace the earth. If all of the individuals in America would just stop harping on their differences and start concentrating on their similarities, the racism, sexism, nationalism, and other biggotries would cease to be a factor. But, having groups of people who are more interested in their differences and insisting on pointing them out, just exacerbates the problems. I am tired of every ethnic group thinking they need to be singled out for special treatment and recognition because of their differences! I want America to celebrate America because of its similarities instead of focusing on the differences. Until we all stop harping on individuals as being “black” men, “Asian” men, “white” men, “gay” men and just calling them men (yes, you can insert women in place of men, I just used men as an example) we will be a country divided instead of a country that is united.

Thank you Wordsmith.
Who said only ignorant people log onto these sites and make comments?

Hey Macsdragon3,

For the record I am for less government in my life.

The ONLY thing that I ever heard Whoopi Goldberg say, that made any sense to me, was, “I’m NOT an African American, I’m a black American.”

How is this video scary? Yes, it maybe a little weird, but scary? If you want to see scary, watch “Jesus Camp.” Little kids being told to pray to a cardboard cutout of George Bush? Absolutely terrifying. I always find it funny that Conservatives always take things like this out of context. “Oh my God!” A step team doing a routine about Obama!” It’s the end of the world!” And then the picture underneath, with the Nazi youth. Come on. What is that? I think its time to settle down. And more importantly; grow up a little. Seeing some of these posts…”Oh please God, don’t let this man be the next President!” These are the same people that say things like: “Look! There goes Osama!” “Oops! I mean, “Obama.” Come on people. Really? I know I’m wasting my breath here. I know from experience that this isn’t going to change anyone’s mind. I just felt I needed to write something after seeing what I have seen. Mccain is going to win anyway, and I’ll be on my way to Canada. So call me what you will…Anti-American, Communist…Whatever. I’m going to go on with my life. I’m not going to waste it here going back and forth like a little kid.

How is this video scary? Yes, it maybe a little weird, but scary?

If you would take the time to read all 172 comments previous to yours, you might find your answer.

If you want to see scary, watch “Jesus Camp.”

Propaganda film. But yeah, that stuff is disturbing, too. Kind of misses the point of the video in this post, though. Try again.

Little kids being told to pray to a cardboard cutout of George Bush? Absolutely terrifying.

Actually, they were more like praying for him. But whatever.

At least they’re not out there fainting at rallies, calling him “the messiah”, talking about “is he ‘The One’?”

I always find it funny that Conservatives always take things like this out of context.

Yes, liberals would never, ever do that.

I know I’m wasting my breath here.

And yet that didn’t prevent you from being a mouth-breather, anyway.

Breath mint?

Like it , or not , the election is over. The secret societies already know who our president is going to be. The problem with a lot of these people on this forum is that they believe what is jammed down their throats from the newspapers and tv. They don’t want you to know the truth about anything. You’re going to tell me that these two guys are the best either party can come up with? I believe everyone is so sick of seeing these two guys all over the place. It seems like this election has lasted a lifetime. Enough already! Vote salt or peeper which ever is you choosing and get on with life. All you are is a social security number and that’s it. Noboby cares about you. They don’t know who any of us are.

Buzz, the judge threw the case out.

THE OBAMA “BRIGADES” IF THEY EVER GET OFF THE GROUND ,(EVEN DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS) WOULD BE TOO SCARED TO FUND THIS GARBAGE. OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT END UP[***]. YOU GUYS WHO KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT WITH THESE NUMBERS .

If this doesn’t scare you, well maybe this will open your eyes.

http://theobamaforum.com/showthread.php?t=1779

Mike, I scanned over 40 pages in the conservative website thread to make sure FA wasn’t on their list. What a cruddy experience, couldn’t make it through all 77 pages, sorry.

Also checked the license plate thread to see if they were really posting people’s plate number, they were and a couple of them claimed to have keyed the cars, one claimed he busted out the windshield, they are absolutely nuts.

One thing did catch my eye from a poster that was there to aggravate them:

One
Big
A$$
Mistake
America

I read about that site on a blog, the blogger discussed how the place was getting children to turn in parents that weren’t Obama supporters. I decided to find out how much of a threat those people are. That place should be checked into and I definately won’t be putting any stickers on my car.

It was 40 pages of watching for the highlighted web links, didn’t pay attention to what they were writing on that thread. In the tag thread, I only read a number of the posts that were posting plate numbers, discription and location of drivers, photos of a couple of people and photos of cars, it only took a few pages in that thread to get worried.

I must be lost. Is this the “I Hate Obama” thread?

I certainly didn’t read every message here, but I see a lot of people trying to tie Obama to Communists, Socialism, and the issue of his birth certificate.

1. The birth certificate issue is dead. Obama is now your president! You really cannot do much about that now.

2. Someone show me his ties to Communism, please.

3.Socialism? Perhaps in one form or another…probably health care.

4. The Bailout: I cannot believe it when I read or hear people say, “Well, they should have just let AIG go belly up!” Do you realize what would happen? If AIG goes bankrupt, they take our entire economy with them. The bailout was NECESSARY to keep this from happening. The waste in doing it was the fault of George Bush. He spewed out tons of money with no tracking and no accountability. Why blame Obama for something he inherited?

5. Our currency: Several countries like China and Russia are trying to create a universal coin to “buy out” the American dollar. It would be like a Euro…and we all know how well that went over in Europe. So, today I hear the coin will be a common universal coin to be used in North America. It will be called the “Americus”. God, another Susan B. Anthony coin!!!

“Socialized medicine”

Obama’s health care plan is essentially just an extension of Medicare. The George W Bush/GOP prescription drug plan was also just an extension of Medicare.

Wake up call:

Medicare is the best health insurance plan available in America today. No other major health plan gives as much free choice in doctors. No other major health plan requires less in the way of “pre-authorization.” No other major health plan shows as much flexibility in paying for new treatments and diagnostics. No other major health plan is as portable (across state borders). No other major health plan provides equivalent quality of care for less money (i.e. is as cost effective). No other major health plan has as much consumer satisfaction. No other major health plan produces fewer personal bankruptcies owing to medical illness or injury (the number one cause of personal bankruptcies in the USA today).

I’m a physician who has to buy his own health insurance. I will be happy to trade my private insurance for Medicare coverage. Even if I had to pay for Medicare out of pocket (the full yearly cost), I’d trade my private health insurance for Medicare coverage in a New York minute.

Medicare isn’t “socialized” medicine. Medicare doesn’t employ the doctors which treat the patients. Medicare doesn’t own the hospitals. Medicare doesn’t tell patients what doctors they can see or what hospitals they need to go to.

Americans pay nearly twice as much for medical care as other Western countries. Our medical outcomes are no better and often worse. We endure twice as much unnecessary surgery (though, under Medicare, we are free to get as much surgery as we want and by whatever surgeons are willing to cut us open).

US companies are at a huge competitive disadvantage, compared to the rest of the world. General Motors pays more for employee health than it pays for steel.

We are penny-wise and pound foolish in wanting not to pay federal taxes for health care and instead to pay much more for an inferior product in the profit-driven private health care system, where the emphasis is on providing procedures and services to make money as opposed to emphasis on improving and maintaining wellness.

- Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA

Hey Larry,

I don’t want to get into trying to prove who was responsible or not. We could both spend all day finding articles about where the fault lies for Freddy Mac and Fanny May. Of course popular wisdom shows that it is mostly Barney Frank who caused it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/23/barbara-walters-cracks-vi_n_178082.html

But again, you can probably find hundreds of articles blaming Bush (well with the media bias against him maybe thousands) and I can find articles showing it was Frank and the rest of the democratic wiz kids (Nancy Puke-losi among them) that were at fault.

Bottom line is, the direction Obama is currently taking us is dangerous and based on history heading towards big problems for this nation.

Hey, Emjay,

Koolaid? I don’t drink it myself, but I did hear about people in Jonestown and others in Waco drinking it.

1. The issue of no birth certificate has circulated since the beginning of O’s campaign. If it was that important, am I mistaken to think that thousands who complained about would have come up with something by now? Is it on record in Hawaii, where he was born? Yes, I believe it is.

2. Government getting their hands into the corporations was the only way to save this nation from total economic collapse. You can call it what you want. Does it work? I don’t know, … the DOW went back up … and o’s making them give back the money for their absurd bonuses.

3. Well, we disagree. AIG was big enough to have brought the nation down if they had declared chapter 11 or chapter 7. If you saw O on recent talk shows….he says it himself. They HAD to keep AIG out of the dumpster. He certainly didn’t WANT to throw that much money at them.

4. I can’t get off the “inherited” line. Are you trying to say that none of these economic catastrophes were caused by “W”? O fell in the hole that Bush was digging. The economic problems existed when he took the oath. He’s doing his best to straighten it out, but the unthinkable is the thought that Democrats & Republicans should be working together to save the economy. Zero votes from the Repubs doesn’t look good. It would also be nice if you didn’t kill the messenger in your posts. You can’t make this kind of stuff up!

5. I agree with you on this one… but it was way too little … way too late.

Also, make no mistake. I did not vote for O. Neither did I vote for McCain. I voted for a way lesser candidate just to pull my vote away from either of the above. A two party system only works if both parties work together for the betterment of the greater cause of the country. The Repubs aren’t working. …. Why does this sound so familiar?

It does not matter if they say “helped” or “inspired”, the danger is when they say “In the name of Obama I am aspired to be xxxxxx”, this is the Hitler Youth speaking when they did all for the leader and not for themselves. If those kids want to be doctors it should be FOR THEMSELVES and not for a temporary leader… that is, if he is temporary…

We need to remember history in order not to repeat it, the US made sure no one forgot World War 2 and painted Hitler as a criminal even hiding some of his positive work regarding building an huge economy from a destroyed country. But it is ironic when those responsible for the world’s memory of that war, that leader and the Holocaust, are in line, blindly following a man with similar actions.

“I believe you feel as i do that the American public has become like cattle… They are in line. But who are you say they are following? I don’t like Obama but I don’t think he’s going to take similar actions. I must have missed what you were getting at.”

What I mean when I say “following” (my fault, since I am not an native English nor do I live in a English speaking country), is not a generalization of the American people has his blind followers, because I am happy to see Americans questioning his actions and intentions. What I mean is the power that his presence and speech has over a mass majority of the people, they behave similarly like Germans did towards Hitler, some kind of a numb adoration which I must say it is rather impressive. JFK was a great speaker and he did not have that, nor Martin Luther, and even Hitler, since Hitler had the German people behind him and Obama has not only a majority of Americans but he has also charmed a huge amount of Europeans, Africans and Asians.

His power is atm huge, but can he cope with it? History is clear than with great power in one man comes great madness. I am not certain madness will come, but I have questions that are not being answered, like the reason of his Youth Brigade, the Patriot act, REX 84 camps, his birth certificate, new possible north American union and now the French President backed by England wanting that American Union and the European Union as one in the next 4 years. One Federation, one Market, one currency and a central leadership. The reading about the possible end of the US dollar all this start to make a scary sense.