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		<title>By: DCRepublican.com &#187; 5 reasons why some might believe the rumor that Joe Biden is stepping down</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/09/23/obamas-october-surprise-osamas-october-surprise-reader-post/#comment-114385</link>
		<dc:creator>DCRepublican.com &#187; 5 reasons why some might believe the rumor that Joe Biden is stepping down</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/09/23/obamas-october-surprise-osamas-october-surprise-reader-post/#comment-114333</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know you&#039;re aware of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (which documents their relationship over years, plus their shared monetary responsibilities), AdrianS, back from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/21/steve-diamond-lawyerblogger-hot-on-the-obama-ayers-trail-his-annenberg-challenge-story/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;my Aug 21st post,&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; as well as the Philip Berg lawsuit &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; I *know* you are aware of.

It seems World Net Daily is over a month behind the rest of us, eh?  .... that&#039;s very unlike Joe.  But glad they&#039;re finally catching up.  Actually didn&#039;t see anything new in their &quot;breaking&quot; story that Steve Diamond hasn&#039;t already brought out on his website over a month ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you&#8217;re aware of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (which documents their relationship over years, plus their shared monetary responsibilities), AdrianS, back from <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/21/steve-diamond-lawyerblogger-hot-on-the-obama-ayers-trail-his-annenberg-challenge-story/" rel="nofollow"><b>my Aug 21st post,</b></a> as well as the Philip Berg lawsuit  I *know* you are aware of.</p>
<p>It seems World Net Daily is over a month behind the rest of us, eh?  &#8230;. that&#8217;s very unlike Joe.  But glad they&#8217;re finally catching up.  Actually didn&#8217;t see anything new in their &#8220;breaking&#8221; story that Steve Diamond hasn&#8217;t already brought out on his website over a month ago.</p>
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		<title>By: AdrianS</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/09/23/obamas-october-surprise-osamas-october-surprise-reader-post/#comment-114326</link>
		<dc:creator>AdrianS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>September 23, 2008   FYI:

JERUSALEM – In spite of Sen. Barack Obama&#039;s claims to the contrary, the Democratic presidential nominee had a close working relationship with former Weathermen terrorist leader William Ayers when the two served alongside each other on a hundred-million-dollar education foundation, according to the group&#039;s own archived records.

The records also show Obama&#039;s and Ayers&#039; foundation granted money to radical leftist activist causes.

Obama worked closely with terrorist Bill Ayers
Records show collaboration on funding leftists despite claim he&#039;s just &#039;a guy&#039; in neighborhood

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=76022</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>September 23, 2008   FYI:</p>
<p>JERUSALEM – In spite of Sen. Barack Obama&#8217;s claims to the contrary, the Democratic presidential nominee had a close working relationship with former Weathermen terrorist leader William Ayers when the two served alongside each other on a hundred-million-dollar education foundation, according to the group&#8217;s own archived records.</p>
<p>The records also show Obama&#8217;s and Ayers&#8217; foundation granted money to radical leftist activist causes.</p>
<p>Obama worked closely with terrorist Bill Ayers<br />
Records show collaboration on funding leftists despite claim he&#8217;s just &#8216;a guy&#8217; in neighborhood</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=76022" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=76022</a></p>
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		<title>By: halfacarafe</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/09/23/obamas-october-surprise-osamas-october-surprise-reader-post/#comment-114314</link>
		<dc:creator>halfacarafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not forget if Biden steps down due to health reasons, he is also running for re-election in the Senate.  If he is too ill to be the VP choice, how will that sit with being able to still retain his senate seat.  I don&#039;t see Slo Joe going quietly into the night on his government gig so &#039;Bami has a better chance to win.  Also, Hillary playing 2nd fiddle, no way.  Two for one, baby.  BJ down the hall hittin&#039; on Michelle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not forget if Biden steps down due to health reasons, he is also running for re-election in the Senate.  If he is too ill to be the VP choice, how will that sit with being able to still retain his senate seat.  I don&#8217;t see Slo Joe going quietly into the night on his government gig so &#8216;Bami has a better chance to win.  Also, Hillary playing 2nd fiddle, no way.  Two for one, baby.  BJ down the hall hittin&#8217; on Michelle?</p>
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		<title>By: Janelle</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/09/23/obamas-october-surprise-osamas-october-surprise-reader-post/#comment-114272</link>
		<dc:creator>Janelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mata....Thanks for the clarification on those things.
I don&#039;t think Hillary would take the back seat either - not at this point anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mata&#8230;.Thanks for the clarification on those things.<br />
I don&#8217;t think Hillary would take the back seat either &#8211; not at this point anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rowland</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/09/23/obamas-october-surprise-osamas-october-surprise-reader-post/#comment-114268</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Rowland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its an Urban Legend.....http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/vpchange.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its an Urban Legend&#8230;..http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/vpchange.asp</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/09/23/obamas-october-surprise-osamas-october-surprise-reader-post/#comment-114264</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a major problem with Texas Fred&#039;s post JD linked to above.  Not his fault, mind you tho.  A question of timing.

You see this rumor of Hillary replacing Biden isn&#039;t new.  I first got that email back on Sept 10th-11th.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/09/10/hillary-replacing-biden-on-dnc-ticket/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Scott did a post on the long shot of it happening&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; on the 10th.

But Texas Fred&#039;s opinion that Hillary &lt;i&gt;&quot;would literally jump at the chance to step into the VP slot, that is a known fact, regardless of what she or her husband say&quot;&lt;/i&gt; is pure conjecture on Fred&#039;s part, and I think without sound political backroom strategy.  I am curious as to how he can state what Hillary feels with such convictions.  Especially when Teflon Bill&#039;s making the rounds announcing differently to a large audience.

Remember, if Obama is to let Biden go, he has to have Hillary safely in his pocket first.  That means negotiations have to be going on now.  Bill&#039;s interview does not suggest this to be the case.

My own opinion is also conjecture.  But I&#039;m assuming that when Bill Clinton says Hillary wasn&#039;t particularly thrilled about being Obama&#039;s running mate, he&#039;s speaking the truth.  And I believe that.  The Clinton&#039;s aren&#039;t back seat kind of people...

The other is the political reality that if Obama loses this, the DNC will not rerun him in 2012.  And unless something major comes down between now and 2010-11, Hillary would be the likely shoe in.  

Does she want to relegate herself to the back seat in the WH to possibly 2016, and depend upon the DNC winning a third term?  Or would she like to see Obama fail by his own hand and judgment, and walk away with a good shot at the driver&#039;s seat in 2012.

Nope... Hillary&#039;s not literally leaping at a veep spot.  

What the real question is, if Obama tries to back her into the corner as his and the DNC &quot;saviour&quot; with a last minute offering, can she dodge it without appearing the spoiler?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a major problem with Texas Fred&#8217;s post JD linked to above.  Not his fault, mind you tho.  A question of timing.</p>
<p>You see this rumor of Hillary replacing Biden isn&#8217;t new.  I first got that email back on Sept 10th-11th.  <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/09/10/hillary-replacing-biden-on-dnc-ticket/" rel="nofollow"><b>Scott did a post on the long shot of it happening</b></a> on the 10th.</p>
<p>But Texas Fred&#8217;s opinion that Hillary <i>&#8220;would literally jump at the chance to step into the VP slot, that is a known fact, regardless of what she or her husband say&#8221;</i> is pure conjecture on Fred&#8217;s part, and I think without sound political backroom strategy.  I am curious as to how he can state what Hillary feels with such convictions.  Especially when Teflon Bill&#8217;s making the rounds announcing differently to a large audience.</p>
<p>Remember, if Obama is to let Biden go, he has to have Hillary safely in his pocket first.  That means negotiations have to be going on now.  Bill&#8217;s interview does not suggest this to be the case.</p>
<p>My own opinion is also conjecture.  But I&#8217;m assuming that when Bill Clinton says Hillary wasn&#8217;t particularly thrilled about being Obama&#8217;s running mate, he&#8217;s speaking the truth.  And I believe that.  The Clinton&#8217;s aren&#8217;t back seat kind of people&#8230;</p>
<p>The other is the political reality that if Obama loses this, the DNC will not rerun him in 2012.  And unless something major comes down between now and 2010-11, Hillary would be the likely shoe in.  </p>
<p>Does she want to relegate herself to the back seat in the WH to possibly 2016, and depend upon the DNC winning a third term?  Or would she like to see Obama fail by his own hand and judgment, and walk away with a good shot at the driver&#8217;s seat in 2012.</p>
<p>Nope&#8230; Hillary&#8217;s not literally leaping at a veep spot.  </p>
<p>What the real question is, if Obama tries to back her into the corner as his and the DNC &#8220;saviour&#8221; with a last minute offering, can she dodge it without appearing the spoiler?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillary would never take the chance to be defeated by Sarah Palin.    Having lost to Obama was enough for her... but to be defeated by Sarah?    No way!   Her ego would never recuperate from that insult.     Because let&#039;s face it, if Hillary steps in, the race will not be between Obama and McCain, it will be between Hillary an Sarah.   So forget that option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary would never take the chance to be defeated by Sarah Palin.    Having lost to Obama was enough for her&#8230; but to be defeated by Sarah?    No way!   Her ego would never recuperate from that insult.     Because let&#8217;s face it, if Hillary steps in, the race will not be between Obama and McCain, it will be between Hillary an Sarah.   So forget that option.</p>
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		<title>By: Janelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the link from Texas Fred, and he&#039;s Right on the money! I&#039;m waiting to hear back from him about my being able to post on his blog.

I think this is just a rumor as well, but if they are stupid enough to try to pull it off, I think it will hurt Obama&#039;s campaign more than it will help it.  People aren&#039;t THAT stupid - they&#039;ll see right through him.  
And I also agree that if Biden SHOULD step down, he should also step down from his seat in the Senate.

Janelle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the link from Texas Fred, and he&#8217;s Right on the money! I&#8217;m waiting to hear back from him about my being able to post on his blog.</p>
<p>I think this is just a rumor as well, but if they are stupid enough to try to pull it off, I think it will hurt Obama&#8217;s campaign more than it will help it.  People aren&#8217;t THAT stupid &#8211; they&#8217;ll see right through him.<br />
And I also agree that if Biden SHOULD step down, he should also step down from his seat in the Senate.</p>
<p>Janelle</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD, why do you think Biden stepping down is a godsend to the GOP?  Right now, he&#039;s an ideal buffoon.  Obama may pick someone more adept in his wake... and more popular.  

While I doubt he&#039;d pick Hillary, or that Hillary would agree (hang... she&#039;d be in better shape if Obama lost), there might be someone out there that can re&#039;stimulate their base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD, why do you think Biden stepping down is a godsend to the GOP?  Right now, he&#8217;s an ideal buffoon.  Obama may pick someone more adept in his wake&#8230; and more popular.  </p>
<p>While I doubt he&#8217;d pick Hillary, or that Hillary would agree (hang&#8230; she&#8217;d be in better shape if Obama lost), there might be someone out there that can re&#8217;stimulate their base.</p>
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		<title>By: Jewells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jewells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not buying it either.  I would love to trace these rumors back to their origin.  If it were to happen, any credibility Obama may have had left would disappear.  On the other hand, you will have some voters, so in love with the CLinton&#039;s they won&#039;t see this for what it is. But in the end, this would sink Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not buying it either.  I would love to trace these rumors back to their origin.  If it were to happen, any credibility Obama may have had left would disappear.  On the other hand, you will have some voters, so in love with the CLinton&#8217;s they won&#8217;t see this for what it is. But in the end, this would sink Obama.</p>
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