Just for the benefit of our readers I’ll reprint the SIECUS.ORG… guidelines for sex education for Kindergartners which formed the basis of the Illinois Bill Obama voted for:

Level 1 middle childhood,
ages 5 through 8;

early elementary school

• Each body part has a correct name and a specific function.

• A person’s genitals, reproductive organs, and genes determine whether the person is male or female.

• A boy/man has nipples, a penis, a scrotum, and testicles.

• A girl/woman has breasts, nipples, a vulva, a clitoris, a vagina, a uterus, and ovaries.

• Some sexual or reproductive organs, such as penises and vulvas, are external or on the outside of

the body while others, such as ovaries and testicles, are internal or inside the body.

• Both boys and girls have body parts that feel good when touched.

• Bodies change as children grow older.

• Puberty is a time of physical and emotional change that happens as children become teenagers.

• People are able to have children only after they have reached puberty.

• Men and women have reproductive organs that enable them to have a child.

• Men and women have specific cells in their bodies (sperm cells and egg cells) that enable them to

reproduce.

• Reproduction requires that a sperm and egg join.

• Vaginal intercourse – when a penis is placed inside a vagina – is the most common way for a sperm

and egg to join.

• When a woman is pregnant, the fetus grows inside her body in her uterus.

• A woman can be pregnant with more than one fetus at a time.

• Babies usually come out of a woman’s body through an opening called a vagina.

• Some babies are born by an operation called a Caesarian Section.

• A woman’s breasts can provide milk for a baby.

• Not all men and women have children.

• People who cannot have children may choose to adopt.

• Individual bodies are different sizes, shapes, and colors.

• All bodies are equally special, including those that are disabled.

• Differences make us unique.

• Good health habits, such as eating well and exercising, can improve the way a person feels about

his or her body.

• Each person can be proud of his/her body.

• Human beings can love people of the same gender and people of another gender.

• Some people are heterosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someone

of another gender.

• Some people are homosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someone

of the same gender.

• Homosexual men and women are also known as gay men and lesbians.

• People deserve respect regardless of who they are attracted to.

• Making fun of people by calling them gay (e.g. “homo,” “fag,” “queer”) is disrespectful and hurtful.

• A family consists of two or more people who care for each

other in many ways.

• There are different kinds of families.

• Children may live with one or more parents or caregivers including biological parents, step-parents,

foster parents, adoptive parents, grandparents, friends, or other combinations of adults.

• All members of a family may not live in the same place.

• The makeup of individual families may change over time.

• Each member of a family has something unique to contribute.

• Families have rules to help members live together.

• Family members take care of each other.

• Many adults may help care for children.

• Family members show love for each other.

• Change in a family may make its members happy or sad.

• When a baby is born or a child is adopted into a family, some parts of life will change for family

members.

Struck from the bill were the following:

(2) Course material and instruction shall teach
29 honor and respect for monogamous heterosexual marriage.
30 (3) Course material and instruction shall stress
31 that pupils should abstain from sexual intercourse until
32 they are ready for marriage.
33 (4) Course material and instruction shall include a
34 discussion of the possible emotional and psychological

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1 consequences of preadolescent and adolescent sexual
2 intercourse outside of marriage and the consequences of
3 unwanted adolescent pregnancy.

And it’s undeniable that Obama voted FOR the bill in Committee.

I guess you can’t call it one of his accomplishments since the bill failed to pass. But Obama certainly supported it. If that’s your excuse to trash the entire ad, which you have done, then your claim is weak.

Meanwhile, perhaps you can fill me in on the effort you have made to get the lefties to stop saying McCain would fight the war in Iraq for one hundred years? Or, if you can’t do that, can you show me where you have expressed your disagreement with lefties on ANYTHING?

I have three problems with the ad, it was not his accomplishment, it did not pass and it did not promote explict sex ed for kindergarteners. I linked to fact check a site that Dick Cheney himself called fair and that is the end of my argument.

In the meantime the issues that Mata and now AYECHI bring up are the real reasons for a commercial.

Why can’t you and I simply agree to disagree on this one? I am sure there will be plenty to fight about in the future.

Here is an interesting article about the CAC.

It’s becoming more and more obvious that this may be the Achilles Heel.

Obama’s Plumbers

by John Batchelor (more by this author)

Posted 09/12/2008 ET

There is a secret group in the Obama-Biden campaign tasked with shutting off any leaks from the record that links Barack Obama to his longtime adviser and mentor Bill Ayers, professor of education at the University of Illinois and unrepentant Weatherman terrorist and fugitive from the 1970s.

This surprising fact has been developed by Chicago-born and Ralph Nader-supporting Professor Steve Diamond of Santa Clara University Law School, who maintains the Global Labor and Politics blog and has pieced together over many months the unusual surreptitious activity around the public records of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) grant now housed at the University of Illinois and Brown University.

Since the spring, Diamond has led the investigation into the intimate working relationship between Obama and Ayers that dates back at least to the beginning of 1995 and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Grants.

Diamond believes this group is not harmless. “It’s a ‘Plumbers’ unit. You know, we are old enough to recall the Plumbers in Richard Nixon’s White House. This is like that. The job is to stop anyone trying to use the (Chicago) Annenberg (Challenge) papers to figure out how Ayers and Obama worked together on education.”

The “Plumbers” were a Nixon administration fiasco, the so-called secret White House Special Investigative Unit 24 tasked to stop the leaks of classified material. Once revealed, the Plumbers unit led to more bizarre discoveries that culminated in the Watergate impeachment and resignation of Richard Nixon in 1974.

Diamond believes this Obama-Biden “Plumbers” unit was responsible for the harassment of Stanley Kurtz of National Review, who sought access to public records of the now defunct CAC at the University of Illinois Library in Chicago in mid-August. He also believes it may have played a part in frustrating his own investigation of similar CAC records in the papers of the nationwide Annenberg Challenge program that are housed at Brown University. The question now is who among the major figures in the Chicago progressive circle, as well as former Annenberg Challenge officials, are unofficial members of Obama’s Plumbers? And who among other responsible officials of the University of Illinois are their unwitting allies?

>snip<

So let’s review the ad with the text from the link Buker provided and then you can ad your acerbic assessment:

ANNCR: Education Week says Obama “hasn’t made a significant mark on education”.

•Education Week: “In His Eight Years In The State Senate And Two Years In The U.S. Senate, Mr. Obama Hasn’t Made A Significant Mark On Education Policy.” (”Obama’s Annenberg Stint Informs White House Bid,” Education Week, 3/7/07)
ANNCR: That he’s “elusive” on accountability.
•The Washington Post: Barack Obama “Elusive” On School Accountability. “Mr. Obama, as the New York Times’ David Brooks recently observed, has promised dozens of crowd-pleasing programs but has been elusive on such thorny issues as teacher tenure and school accountability.” (Editorial, “Focus On School Reform,” The Washington Post, 7/7/08)
ANNCR: A “staunch defender of the existing public school monopoly”.
•Chicago Tribune’s Steve Chapman: “Obama Is The Staunch Defender Of The Existing Public School Monopoly.” “On the subject of elementary and secondary education, the two seem to have gotten their roles completely mixed up. Obama is the staunch defender of the existing public school monopoly, and he’s allergic to anything that subverts it. John McCain, on the other hand, went before the NAACP last week to argue for something new and daring.” (Steve Chapman, Op-Ed, “Change: A Matter Of Convenience,” Chicago Tribune, 7/20/08)
ANNCR: Obama’s one accomplishment? Legislation to teach “comprehensive sex education” to kindergartners. Learning about sex before learning to read? Barack Obama. Wrong on education. Wrong for your family.

JOHN MCCAIN: I’m John McCain and I approved this message.
•”Before His Election To The U.S. Senate, Obama Was A State Senator And Chairman Of A Committee That Approved Legislation That Would Have Altered Illinois’ Sex Education Standards To Include Instruction In Any Grade From Kindergarten Through 12th, Rather Than Grades 6-12.” (Jim Davenport, “Romney Tries To Build SC Support With Appeal To Conservatives,” The Associated Press, 7/19/07)
•In Committee, Barack Obama Voted In Favor Of Legislation (S.B. 99) That Would Amend Requirements For Sex Education Classes. “Amends the School Code and the Critical Health Problems and Comprehensive Health Education Act. Changes and adds criteria that sex education classes and comprehensive health education programs must satisfy.” (S.B. 99: Illinois Senate Health And Human Services Committee, Passed, 7-4-0, 3/6/03, Obama Voted Yea)
•The Full Text Of S.B. 99 Included Changes That Would Offer Sex Education To Children Beginning In Kindergarten. “Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.” (S.B. 99: Illinois Senate Health And Human Services Committee, Passed, 7-4-0, 3/6/03, Obama Voted Yea)
•”ABC News’ Teddy Davis And Lindsey Ellerson Report: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., Told Planned Parenthood … That Sex Education For Kindergarteners, As Long As It Is ‘Age-Appropriate,’ Is ‘The Right Thing To Do.’” (”Sex Ed for Kindergarteners ‘Right Thing to Do,’ Says Obama,” ABC News’ “Political Radar” Blog, blogs.abcnews.com…, Accessed 7/19/07)
•The Obama Campaign Tells First Read: “You Can Teach A Kid About What’s Appropriate And Not Appropriate To Protect Them From Predators Out There.” (”Obama And Sex Ed For Kids,” NBC News’ “First Read,” firstread.msnbc.msn.com…, Accessed 7/19/07)
•The Obama Campaign Issues Document Citing Sex-Education Curriculum For Kindergarteners From The SIECUS And Oregon Department Of Education. “In addition, he issued a document showing that the Oregon Department of Education has guidelines for sex education for children in grades K-3 (which includes understanding the difference between a good touch and a bad touch), and that the Sexuality Information And Education Council of the United States [SIECUS] has curriculum for those in kindergarten.” (”Obama And Sex Ed For Kids,” NBC News’ “First Read,” firstread.msnbc.msn.com…, Accessed 7/19/07)
•Click Here To Read The SEICUS Guidelines For Children Between The Ages Of 5 And 8: http://www.siecus.org/_data/global/images/guidelines.pdf
•The Full Text Of S.B. 99 Included Changes That Would Offer Sex Education To Children Beginning In Kindergarten. “Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.” (S.B. 99: Illinois Senate Health And Human Services Committee, Passed, 7-4-0, 3/6/03, Obama Voted Yea)

Ever non partisan fact checking organization has said that it is dishonest because it is dishonest and that is my problem. We are not focusing on the real issues because this lie is sexy. Eventually that will come back to bite JM on the butt if we do not focus on the real issues.

He did not author the legislation even though the ad calls it an accomplishment – FALSE
It did not pass the senate even though it is described as an accomplishment – FALSE
It propsed to teach what inappropriate touching was as I posted above but the ad says “comprehensive sex education” – FALSE

This is not about weak points. It is about producing an ad that is false.

If Dick Cheney trusts factcheck.org… – why won’t you?

http://www.siecus.org/_data/global/images/guidelines.pdf

Although the second link is included in the first – well – you will see when you read it.

The “93″ denotes the 93rd session (2004-2005)

We still have the same problem. Obama didn’t assume IL Senate seat (federal) until Jan 2005.

He was in the IL legislature from January 8, 1997 – November 4, 2004

UPDATE… mea culpa correction…. you mean his last IL Senate days? duh…. It’s a 911 type of day, and I’m distracted…

Still a session problem in facts, guy…. no matter whether federal or state.

And you KNOW I don’t want to defend Obama!

Cent always latches onto whatever weak point he can find in an argument to undermine the central thesis.

P.S. Mata has another fan! You go girl! He’s all yours!

I agree with your assessment of the CAC.

Unfortunately, the insiders were tipped that there were those preparing to sniff around the records.

Remember the delay in getting the records opened up and released?

I’m afraid that much of the incriminating stuff has been scrubbed/purged/shredded.

I don’t see a vote record via member via site as it says:

No vote detail available for the selected legislation.

So I can’t assess whether a first year IL Senator Obama voted pro, con or his infamous “present”.

The fact remains… this is not an Obama sponsored bill. We’ll be lucky if a first year Obama showed up to vote. In fact, when it comes to Obama, he has zip, nada, nothing to show for education except two things…

1: campaign talks
2: Chicago Annenberg Challengenge

It’s really a dead issue, Aye. Frankly, let the boy go down this road. Can you say piece’o'cake?? Otherwise, concentrate on what we can prove to the national audience.

Again, I say to you… CAC. I’ll say it again louder.

CAC!

The “93″ denotes the 93rd session (2004-2005). This current session is #95 (2007-2008).

The link in scofflaw’s post is correct. It goes directly to a pdf file of the bill. Here is a link to the legislation on the General Assembly site.

Now, back to you CentFla.

You claimed that the ad is false.

I say that it’s not.

You made some statement about child molestation when that is not the point of the ad at all. Nor was that the point of the bill. That is simply a convenient excuse that the Left is tossing out there to see if anyone will run with the bait.

The ad says that Obama was in favor of sex ed for Kindergarten.

The legislation that he passed out of his committee did just that.

Yes, the legislation PASSED his committee. The committee that he was Chairman of.

He reaffirmed his desire for sex ed for Kindergarten students in his speech before Planned Parenthood.

So, is it your position that Obama OPPOSED sex ed for Kindergarten students?

Tell me what, PRECISELY, is false about the ad.