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	<title>Comments on: UPDATED: Annenberg&#8217;s Political Fact Check declares BHO&#8217;s birth certificate authentic</title>
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		<title>By: Rocky_B</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/24/annenbergs-political-fact-check-declares-bhos-birth-certificate-authentic/#comment-127033</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocky_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update for you all:
According to  Israeli Insider, Hawaii has now confirmed that the COLB &quot;birth&quot; certificate being circulated as Obama&#039;s is NOT the original.

http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/hawaiian-officials-admit. 

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According to an AP report, Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday that she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama&#039;s original birth certificate.

But they won&#039;t say one word about what&#039;s on it.

Conspicuously, Hawaiian officials refuse to confirm that the information on the &quot;original&quot; certificate conforms to what has appeared on the &quot;Certification of Live Birth&quot; produced in 2007 that has so far been passed off as original by the Obama &quot;Fight the Smears&quot; site (here) and the Annenberg-backed site FactCheck.org (here). The latter dedicated a photoshoot to examining in pornographic detail a computer-generated facsimile that may bear no relation to the original document that the State of Hawaii now admits holding.
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Of course we still won&#039;t know anything until at least November 18th when it goes to court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update for you all:<br />
According to  Israeli Insider, Hawaii has now confirmed that the COLB &#8220;birth&#8221; certificate being circulated as Obama&#8217;s is NOT the original.</p>
<p><a href="http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/hawaiian-officials-admit" rel="nofollow">http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/hawaiian-officials-admit</a>. </p>
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According to an AP report, Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday that she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama&#8217;s original birth certificate.</p>
<p>But they won&#8217;t say one word about what&#8217;s on it.</p>
<p>Conspicuously, Hawaiian officials refuse to confirm that the information on the &#8220;original&#8221; certificate conforms to what has appeared on the &#8220;Certification of Live Birth&#8221; produced in 2007 that has so far been passed off as original by the Obama &#8220;Fight the Smears&#8221; site (here) and the Annenberg-backed site <a href="http://FactCheck.org" title="http://FactCheck.org" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">FactCheck.org&#8230;</a> (here). The latter dedicated a photoshoot to examining in pornographic detail a computer-generated facsimile that may bear no relation to the original document that the State of Hawaii now admits holding.
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<p>Of course we still won&#8217;t know anything until at least November 18th when it goes to court.</p>
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		<title>By: luva the scissors</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/24/annenbergs-political-fact-check-declares-bhos-birth-certificate-authentic/#comment-107258</link>
		<dc:creator>luva the scissors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, i think we need to get one of the better investigatorsfrom FA on this.  i have no idea how to dig or even opost a link, but this has way to many questions to it.  if all is on the upa nd up with obama, why not just put it all out there and dispell any rumors, they must be loving&quot;the attack&quot;.  this is crazy.  anyone else would have had to show much more proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, i think we need to get one of the better investigatorsfrom FA on this.  i have no idea how to dig or even opost a link, but this has way to many questions to it.  if all is on the upa nd up with obama, why not just put it all out there and dispell any rumors, they must be loving&#8221;the attack&#8221;.  this is crazy.  anyone else would have had to show much more proof.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/24/annenbergs-political-fact-check-declares-bhos-birth-certificate-authentic/#comment-107245</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or if you want to check out Berg&#039;s site yourself, check here:

http://www.obamacrimes.com/


&gt;&gt;if he was given indonesian citizenship as a child and was adopted there by lo sortero, would that make his natural born citizenship null and void? and what about the rumors that he wasn’t born in hawaii, but in africa? am i missing something? what does his living in indonesia do to his citizenship and could he have duel citizenship? i would love for someone to explain all of this.&gt;&gt;

I&#039;ll make a stab at it.  There are two possibilities:a) he was born in Hawaii and b) he was born in Kenya.  (There are other possibilities offered by different people, but these seem to be the most likely currently)
a)1) he was adopted by Soetoro, had his US citizenship renounced when they went to Indonesia, in order to become an Indonesian citizen(supposedly this was required in order to go to school there).
a)2) In the process of adoption, his original birth certificate was sealed, and a new one - which he chooses not to make public - was issued in the name of Barry Soetoro

b)1) there are supposedly hospital records from Kenya which indicate he was born there, and so far, no hospital records in Hawaii have indicated that he was born _there_.  Supposedly, members of Obama&#039;s family in Kenya have stated that they were present when he was born.

b)2) If he was born in Kenya, his mother could not have passed the &quot;natural born&quot; status to him, because she was not old enough at the time he was born to have met the requirements of the law.

A question this raises to me is that the Hawaiian birth certificate being used to establish Barack&#039;s natural born status is his sister&#039;s - who it is stated, was most definitely born in Indonesia.  How can she have a BC from Hawaii?  And if she can - when she was born in Indonesia, why can&#039;t he, if he was born in Kenya?

If he can prove he was born in Hawaii, then he establishes his natural born citizen status.  If his mother renounced his US citizenship, and if he later became naturalized, can he regain his natural born status??  

Why doesn&#039;t he simply produce his official Birth Certificate?  Berg says that&#039;s all he has to do, and the suit will disappear...so why doesn&#039;t he?

If Obama and Biden are nominated, and Obama is disqualified, does Biden become the Dem&#039;s Presidential candidate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or if you want to check out Berg&#8217;s site yourself, check here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.obamacrimes.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.obamacrimes.com/</a></p>
<p>&gt;&gt;if he was given indonesian citizenship as a child and was adopted there by lo sortero, would that make his natural born citizenship null and void? and what about the rumors that he wasn’t born in hawaii, but in africa? am i missing something? what does his living in indonesia do to his citizenship and could he have duel citizenship? i would love for someone to explain all of this.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll make a stab at it.  There are two possibilities:a) he was born in Hawaii and b) he was born in Kenya.  (There are other possibilities offered by different people, but these seem to be the most likely currently)<br />
a)1) he was adopted by Soetoro, had his US citizenship renounced when they went to Indonesia, in order to become an Indonesian citizen(supposedly this was required in order to go to school there).<br />
a)2) In the process of adoption, his original birth certificate was sealed, and a new one &#8211; which he chooses not to make public &#8211; was issued in the name of Barry Soetoro</p>
<p>b)1) there are supposedly hospital records from Kenya which indicate he was born there, and so far, no hospital records in Hawaii have indicated that he was born _there_.  Supposedly, members of Obama&#8217;s family in Kenya have stated that they were present when he was born.</p>
<p>b)2) If he was born in Kenya, his mother could not have passed the &#8220;natural born&#8221; status to him, because she was not old enough at the time he was born to have met the requirements of the law.</p>
<p>A question this raises to me is that the Hawaiian birth certificate being used to establish Barack&#8217;s natural born status is his sister&#8217;s &#8211; who it is stated, was most definitely born in Indonesia.  How can she have a BC from Hawaii?  And if she can &#8211; when she was born in Indonesia, why can&#8217;t he, if he was born in Kenya?</p>
<p>If he can prove he was born in Hawaii, then he establishes his natural born citizen status.  If his mother renounced his US citizenship, and if he later became naturalized, can he regain his natural born status??  </p>
<p>Why doesn&#8217;t he simply produce his official Birth Certificate?  Berg says that&#8217;s all he has to do, and the suit will disappear&#8230;so why doesn&#8217;t he?</p>
<p>If Obama and Biden are nominated, and Obama is disqualified, does Biden become the Dem&#8217;s Presidential candidate?</p>
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		<title>By: sherlock</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/24/annenbergs-political-fact-check-declares-bhos-birth-certificate-authentic/#comment-107244</link>
		<dc:creator>sherlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been handled so shabbily by the Obama campaign that it naturally evokes skepticism.  If a Republican had responded this way, he or she would have been accused, tried,  and found guilty in the media, and by now their foreigness would be &quot;common knowledge&quot; just like Bush &quot;jumping the queue&quot; into the Texas ANG... fake, but just &quot;too good not to be true&quot;.

And if a Republican had a paper trail as scrubbed, bleached and sanitized as Obama&#039;s they couldn&#039;t get elected dogcatcher!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been handled so shabbily by the Obama campaign that it naturally evokes skepticism.  If a Republican had responded this way, he or she would have been accused, tried,  and found guilty in the media, and by now their foreigness would be &#8220;common knowledge&#8221; just like Bush &#8220;jumping the queue&#8221; into the Texas ANG&#8230; fake, but just &#8220;too good not to be true&#8221;.</p>
<p>And if a Republican had a paper trail as scrubbed, bleached and sanitized as Obama&#8217;s they couldn&#8217;t get elected dogcatcher!</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/24/annenbergs-political-fact-check-declares-bhos-birth-certificate-authentic/#comment-107200</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>apparently he traveled using his indonesian passport as late as age 20. So when exactly did he revoke that citizenship and become a NATURALIZED US citizen?

Does being naturalized remove your natural born status?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>apparently he traveled using his indonesian passport as late as age 20. So when exactly did he revoke that citizenship and become a NATURALIZED US citizen?</p>
<p>Does being naturalized remove your natural born status?</p>
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		<title>By: luva the scissors</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/24/annenbergs-political-fact-check-declares-bhos-birth-certificate-authentic/#comment-107186</link>
		<dc:creator>luva the scissors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i guess i need some one to explain to me something.  if he was given indonesian citizenship as a child and was adopted there by lo sortero, would that make his natural born citizenship null and void?  and what about the rumors that he wasn&#039;t born in hawaii, but in africa?  am i missing something?  what does his living in indonesia do to his citizenship and could he have duel citizenship?  i would love for someone to explain all of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess i need some one to explain to me something.  if he was given indonesian citizenship as a child and was adopted there by lo sortero, would that make his natural born citizenship null and void?  and what about the rumors that he wasn&#8217;t born in hawaii, but in africa?  am i missing something?  what does his living in indonesia do to his citizenship and could he have duel citizenship?  i would love for someone to explain all of this.</p>
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		<title>By: AdrianS</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/24/annenbergs-political-fact-check-declares-bhos-birth-certificate-authentic/#comment-107183</link>
		<dc:creator>AdrianS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question remains as to why Obama issued a fake certificate that was presented to the public.

And, this second certificate was not placed on the Internet as a stand alone close-up, but rather was hand-held at a distance and then photographed from afar.  This precludes the same kind of thorough analysis that the first certificate was subjected to.

Besides, this recent COLB is dated June of last year.  What?  This means we got an intentional fake and then Obama posted the &quot;real&quot; (maybe fake?) COLB later?  Sound like Obama. Mind games? ... Like notifying his diminishing supporters of his VP choice at 3AM in the morning.

And, why was his sister&#039;s COLB used (her name was found underneath Obama&#039;s) when it is said that she was most definitely born in Indonesia.  Is there a bit of fraud here? 

More bad news for Obama is that he declared to the Illinois State Bar that he had used no other name(s) previously.  This information can be verified simply by Goggling.  And, we know that Obama was known to have used other names such as (and his adopted name is) Barry Soetoro.  Barry&#039;s Indonesian school registration form reads, &quot;Name: Barry Soetoro&quot;, and, &quot;Religion: Islam.&quot;  Google for these facts.  Thus, Obama claims he was never a Muslim and also that he never used other names.  Not true.

Phillip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania attorney, claims (in his lawsuit to have Obama disqualified as a candiate) that Obama perjured himself by responding &quot;No&quot; on his application to the state bar.

What&#039;s really interesting is that the MSM has done a complete black-out of the news of this lawsuit.  There has been no coverage on Berg&#039;s lawsuit except in the blogosphere.

There was however, much to Roger Hedgecock&#039;s credit, a KGO radio station interview Mr. Hedgecock had with Berg on Friday.  And, following the interview Hedgecock took phone calls.  A caller asked if the lawsuit filed could be summarily dismissed as being frivilous.  Mr. Hedgecock, having read the complaint,  replied that he thought perhaps it wouldn&#039;t be because Mr. Berg&#039;s lawsuit appeared to have merit.  Mr. Hedgecock is an attorney.

Is Barack Obama a natural born citizen?  As the Israeli Insider suggests, http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13075.htm,  &quot;That question, it now seems, will need to be answered in federal court.&quot;

Here&#039;s the complete information on Mr. Phillip J. Bergs complaint/lawsuit against Mr. Obama and the DNC: http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=43.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question remains as to why Obama issued a fake certificate that was presented to the public.</p>
<p>And, this second certificate was not placed on the Internet as a stand alone close-up, but rather was hand-held at a distance and then photographed from afar.  This precludes the same kind of thorough analysis that the first certificate was subjected to.</p>
<p>Besides, this recent COLB is dated June of last year.  What?  This means we got an intentional fake and then Obama posted the &#8220;real&#8221; (maybe fake?) COLB later?  Sound like Obama. Mind games? &#8230; Like notifying his diminishing supporters of his VP choice at 3AM in the morning.</p>
<p>And, why was his sister&#8217;s COLB used (her name was found underneath Obama&#8217;s) when it is said that she was most definitely born in Indonesia.  Is there a bit of fraud here? </p>
<p>More bad news for Obama is that he declared to the Illinois State Bar that he had used no other name(s) previously.  This information can be verified simply by Goggling.  And, we know that Obama was known to have used other names such as (and his adopted name is) Barry Soetoro.  Barry&#8217;s Indonesian school registration form reads, &#8220;Name: Barry Soetoro&#8221;, and, &#8220;Religion: Islam.&#8221;  Google for these facts.  Thus, Obama claims he was never a Muslim and also that he never used other names.  Not true.</p>
<p>Phillip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania attorney, claims (in his lawsuit to have Obama disqualified as a candiate) that Obama perjured himself by responding &#8220;No&#8221; on his application to the state bar.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s really interesting is that the MSM has done a complete black-out of the news of this lawsuit.  There has been no coverage on Berg&#8217;s lawsuit except in the blogosphere.</p>
<p>There was however, much to Roger Hedgecock&#8217;s credit, a KGO radio station interview Mr. Hedgecock had with Berg on Friday.  And, following the interview Hedgecock took phone calls.  A caller asked if the lawsuit filed could be summarily dismissed as being frivilous.  Mr. Hedgecock, having read the complaint,  replied that he thought perhaps it wouldn&#8217;t be because Mr. Berg&#8217;s lawsuit appeared to have merit.  Mr. Hedgecock is an attorney.</p>
<p>Is Barack Obama a natural born citizen?  As the Israeli Insider suggests, <a href="http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13075.htm" rel="nofollow">http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13075.htm</a>,  &#8220;That question, it now seems, will need to be answered in federal court.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the complete information on Mr. Phillip J. Bergs complaint/lawsuit against Mr. Obama and the DNC: <a href="http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=43" rel="nofollow">http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=43</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annenberg is the same outfit that Obama and Ayers worked with in the big public housing scam back in the day in Chicage.  THEY  are the ones that certified the fraudulent birth certificate???  Oh OK...I guess that&#039;s offical then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annenberg is the same outfit that Obama and Ayers worked with in the big public housing scam back in the day in Chicage.  THEY  are the ones that certified the fraudulent birth certificate???  Oh OK&#8230;I guess that&#8217;s offical then.</p>
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