Comments on: Follow The Leader http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/10/follow-the-leader/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:48:07 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: The Baltimore Reporter http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/10/follow-the-leader/#comment-104955 The Baltimore Reporter Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:08:47 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=6651#comment-104955 [...] Curt noted that John McCain called the President of Georgia, whom he has meet on previous occasions, and issued this statement: I again call on the Government of Russia to immediately and unconditionally withdraw its forces from the territory of Georgia. Given this threat to Euro-Atlantic security, I am pleased to see the United States, the European Union, and NATO acting together by sending a delegation to the region, in an effort to broker a cease fire. This is an important first step. [...] [...] Curt noted that John McCain called the President of Georgia, whom he has meet on previous occasions, and issued this statement: I again call on the Government of Russia to immediately and unconditionally withdraw its forces from the territory of Georgia. Given this threat to Euro-Atlantic security, I am pleased to see the United States, the European Union, and NATO acting together by sending a delegation to the region, in an effort to broker a cease fire. This is an important first step. [...]

]]> By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » Russian Invasion of Georgian Republic The Perfect Illustration of Difference Between Presidential Candidates http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/10/follow-the-leader/#comment-104873 Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » Russian Invasion of Georgian Republic The Perfect Illustration of Difference Between Presidential Candidates Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:41:40 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=6651#comment-104873 [...] Curt noted that John McCain called the President of Georgia, whom he has meet on previous occasions, and issued this statement: I again call on the Government of Russia to immediately and unconditionally withdraw its forces from the territory of Georgia. Given this threat to Euro-Atlantic security, I am pleased to see the United States, the European Union, and NATO acting together by sending a delegation to the region, in an effort to broker a cease fire. This is an important first step. [...] [...] Curt noted that John McCain called the President of Georgia, whom he has meet on previous occasions, and issued this statement: I again call on the Government of Russia to immediately and unconditionally withdraw its forces from the territory of Georgia. Given this threat to Euro-Atlantic security, I am pleased to see the United States, the European Union, and NATO acting together by sending a delegation to the region, in an effort to broker a cease fire. This is an important first step. [...]

]]> By: bbartlog http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/10/follow-the-leader/#comment-104824 bbartlog Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:31:58 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=6651#comment-104824 <i>This probably isn’t going to go well for Russia though. They don’t have the money to replace stuff. At times they have had trouble paying their electric bill.</i> These days they're sitting pretty with their oil and natural gas revenues. Not to say that they have long-term financial stability or anything, but for the moment they are not dirt poor. <i>As for McCain having a better idea of what is actually happening it is no surprise as he has actually visited Ossetia</i> Also one of his campaign staffers was a lobbyist for Georgia. McCain clearly has a lot of knowledge on this area (along with staff who know even more); whether he come in to the situation without a pro-Georgian bias is another question. Also agree with Mike's America, above: this is a (very transparent) setup. The Russians didn't just react with this kind of speed to a provocation (though they might like people to *think* they have that kind of capability) . They planned this. This probably isn’t going to go well for Russia though. They don’t have the money to replace stuff. At times they have had trouble paying their electric bill.

These days they’re sitting pretty with their oil and natural gas revenues. Not to say that they have long-term financial stability or anything, but for the moment they are not dirt poor.

As for McCain having a better idea of what is actually happening it is no surprise as he has actually visited Ossetia

Also one of his campaign staffers was a lobbyist for Georgia. McCain clearly has a lot of knowledge on this area (along with staff who know even more); whether he come in to the situation without a pro-Georgian bias is another question.

Also agree with Mike’s America, above: this is a (very transparent) setup. The Russians didn’t just react with this kind of speed to a provocation (though they might like people to *think* they have that kind of capability) . They planned this.

]]> By: Scrapiron http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/10/follow-the-leader/#comment-104757 Scrapiron Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:25:19 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=6651#comment-104757 "Pity the US didn’t think about that when it bombed Yugoslavia". Wasn't that Slick Willie's war, the one where he bombed the Chinese embassy and the war that continues til this day? Steve Hayes just failed recent history along with the brain scan that showed nothing. “Pity the US didn’t think about that when it bombed Yugoslavia”. Wasn’t that Slick Willie’s war, the one where he bombed the Chinese embassy and the war that continues til this day? Steve Hayes just failed recent history along with the brain scan that showed nothing.

]]> By: Scrapiron http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/10/follow-the-leader/#comment-104756 Scrapiron Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:21:29 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=6651#comment-104756 There some sick democrats around. Russia is simply taking advantage of the 'fact' the democrats have shown their cowardance for the past 16 years. No time like the present to put the USSR back togather. They can expect nothing but 'words' from the democrat candidiate and the congressional leadership. All shows of cowardance comes back to to bite you in the arse sooner or later. This is the sooner part. If Russia had a division in Cuba they could attack the U.S. and the democrats would deny it (anyone remember the Iraqi democrat, they aren't in the country) was happening until we had lost the east coast and they arrived in D.C. Peeeloshi and Reid would take a few months vacation in their choice of communist countries. There some sick democrats around. Russia is simply taking advantage of the ‘fact’ the democrats have shown their cowardance for the past 16 years. No time like the present to put the USSR back togather. They can expect nothing but ‘words’ from the democrat candidiate and the congressional leadership. All shows of cowardance comes back to to bite you in the arse sooner or later. This is the sooner part. If Russia had a division in Cuba they could attack the U.S. and the democrats would deny it (anyone remember the Iraqi democrat, they aren’t in the country) was happening until we had lost the east coast and they arrived in D.C. Peeeloshi and Reid would take a few months vacation in their choice of communist countries.

]]> By: Steve Hayes http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/10/follow-the-leader/#comment-104751 Steve Hayes Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:55:30 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=6651#comment-104751 ‘aggression against a small country in Europe will not be passed over in silence or with meaningless statements equating the victims with the victimizers.’ Pity the US didn't think about that when it bombed Yugoslavia. If Kosovo can be independent, why not South Ossetia? Because the US Republocrat Party won't let it? ‘aggression against a small country in Europe will not be passed over in silence or with meaningless statements equating the victims with the victimizers.’

Pity the US didn’t think about that when it bombed Yugoslavia.

If Kosovo can be independent, why not South Ossetia?

Because the US Republocrat Party won’t let it?

]]> By: Mike's America http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/10/follow-the-leader/#comment-104712 Mike's America Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:44:42 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=6651#comment-104712 Greg: Placing partial blame on Georgia might work but there is one interesting fact left out of the equation. Col. Ralph Peters, who was written some very first rate analysis on military matters, <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/08092008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/raping_georgia_123664.htm" rel="nofollow">summed the current situation </a>up this way: <blockquote>How do I know that the Russians set a trap? Simple: Given the wretched state of Russian military readiness, that brigade could never have shot out of its motor pool on short notice. The Russians obviously "task-organized" the force in advance to make sure it would have working tanks with competent crews. Otherwise, broken-down vehicles would've lined those mountain roads. The Russians planned it. And they hope to push it to the limit. </blockquote> The Russians have been stirring up trouble in this province for years. Their action reminds me of what the Nazis did when they claimed they had to invade Czechoslovakia to protect German natives living there. As for McCain having a better idea of what is actually happening it is no surprise as he has <a href="http://www.unomig.org/media/headlines/?id=6710&y=2006&m=8&%20d=29" rel="nofollow">actually visited Ossetia</a>, the troublespot, twice I believe. He wasn't there for a campaign rally and there was no mob of world media mavens in tow. The contrast between McCain and Obama here can be laid down to one very relevant fact: EXPERIENCE. McCain has it, Obama does not. And Obama's judgement, as demonstrated in this case, is certainly flawed. Greg: Placing partial blame on Georgia might work but there is one interesting fact left out of the equation.

Col. Ralph Peters, who was written some very first rate analysis on military matters, summed the current situation up this way:

How do I know that the Russians set a trap? Simple: Given the wretched state of Russian military readiness, that brigade could never have shot out of its motor pool on short notice. The Russians obviously “task-organized” the force in advance to make sure it would have working tanks with competent crews.

Otherwise, broken-down vehicles would’ve lined those mountain roads.

The Russians planned it. And they hope to push it to the limit.

The Russians have been stirring up trouble in this province for years. Their action reminds me of what the Nazis did when they claimed they had to invade Czechoslovakia to protect German natives living there.

As for McCain having a better idea of what is actually happening it is no surprise as he has actually visited Ossetia, the troublespot, twice I believe.

He wasn’t there for a campaign rally and there was no mob of world media mavens in tow.

The contrast between McCain and Obama here can be laid down to one very relevant fact: EXPERIENCE. McCain has it, Obama does not. And Obama’s judgement, as demonstrated in this case, is certainly flawed.

]]> By: Gregory Dittman http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/10/follow-the-leader/#comment-104701 Gregory Dittman Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:08:49 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=6651#comment-104701 According to Russia it started when Georgia's troops fired on Russian "peace keepers" in the break away (from Georgia) of South Ossetia. Most of the people in that zone are Russian citizens. That's one of the reasons there is little outcry. Somebody attacked Russia and Russia responded. Now Georgia is trying to get the U.S. involved trying to play the victem. Turkey, which borders Georgia, is already giving Georgia humanitarian aid so there won't be a full blockade. Diverting the cargo ship could have been away to prevent the civilian ship from entering a war zone. The U.S. would have done the same thing. This probably isn't going to go well for Russia though. They don't have the money to replace stuff. At times they have had trouble paying their electric bill. On the other hand they can show Russian military equipment in action to counter claims how quickly U.S. destroyed Russian equipment in Iraq. After both Gulf Wars, sales of Russian military equipment dropped dramatically. Nobody is going to listen to Obama, because he will just change his mind 15 minutes later anyways. According to Russia it started when Georgia’s troops fired on Russian “peace keepers” in the break away (from Georgia) of South Ossetia. Most of the people in that zone are Russian citizens. That’s one of the reasons there is little outcry. Somebody attacked Russia and Russia responded. Now Georgia is trying to get the U.S. involved trying to play the victem. Turkey, which borders Georgia, is already giving Georgia humanitarian aid so there won’t be a full blockade. Diverting the cargo ship could have been away to prevent the civilian ship from entering a war zone. The U.S. would have done the same thing. This probably isn’t going to go well for Russia though. They don’t have the money to replace stuff. At times they have had trouble paying their electric bill. On the other hand they can show Russian military equipment in action to counter claims how quickly U.S. destroyed Russian equipment in Iraq. After both Gulf Wars, sales of Russian military equipment dropped dramatically.

Nobody is going to listen to Obama, because he will just change his mind 15 minutes later anyways.

]]> By: bill-tb http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/10/follow-the-leader/#comment-104698 bill-tb Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:31:18 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=6651#comment-104698 Obama is not ready for prime time, no matter what anyone says. Obama is not ready for prime time, no matter what anyone says.

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