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	<title>Comments on: The Hamdan Sentence</title>
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		<title>By: DW 5000</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/08/the-hamden-sentence/#comment-104549</link>
		<dc:creator>DW 5000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
So I say we ust the Geneva Convention and treat them as spies. Then we can just kill them on spot.
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I'll admit that I'm not conversant with with the Conventions to know that rule. It seems to run counter to this:

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&lt;I&gt;Part I. General Provisions
Art. 5 
Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a spy or saboteur, or as a person under definite suspicion of activity hostile to the security of the Occupying Power, such person shall, in those cases where absolute military security so requires, be regarded as having forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention.

&lt;B&gt;In each case, such persons shall nevertheless be treated with humanity and, in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed by the present Convention. They shall also be granted the full rights and privileges of a protected person under the present Convention at the earliest date consistent with the security of the State or Occupying Power, as the case may be.&lt;/B&gt;&lt;/I&gt;
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So I say we ust the Geneva Convention and treat them as spies. Then we can just kill them on spot.
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<p>I&#8217;ll admit that I&#8217;m not conversant with with the Conventions to know that rule. It seems to run counter to this:</p>
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<i>Part I. General Provisions<br />
Art. 5<br />
Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a spy or saboteur, or as a person under definite suspicion of activity hostile to the security of the Occupying Power, such person shall, in those cases where absolute military security so requires, be regarded as having forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention.</p>
<p><b>In each case, such persons shall nevertheless be treated with humanity and, in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed by the present Convention. They shall also be granted the full rights and privileges of a protected person under the present Convention at the earliest date consistent with the security of the State or Occupying Power, as the case may be.</b></i>
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<p>What are the details?</p>
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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/08/the-hamden-sentence/#comment-104547</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Bush should have never called them enemy combatants, he should have called them spies and killed them on spot.  But the military wanted to get intelligence from them so they made up the enemy combatants.    

So I say we ust the Geneva Convention and treat them as spies.  Then we can just kill them on spot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Bush should have never called them enemy combatants, he should have called them spies and killed them on spot.  But the military wanted to get intelligence from them so they made up the enemy combatants.    </p>
<p>So I say we ust the Geneva Convention and treat them as spies.  Then we can just kill them on spot.</p>
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		<title>By: DW 5000</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/08/the-hamden-sentence/#comment-104541</link>
		<dc:creator>DW 5000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Why the hell are we even having court cases with these people. Did we do this in WWII, Civil war, Korean War. This is a joke and we should not have any kind of court cases with these POWs.
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I guess that this is the corner the Administration has painted itself into.  These aren't POWs.  If they were POWs, there would be a whole set of rules that govern how they should be treated.  These guys are "enemy combatants."  And remember:  you can't use WWII or the Korean War or anything else as a precedent.  This is "a different kind of war"--that &lt;I&gt;is&lt;/I&gt; the point the Right has been making for the past seven years, right?  So there need to be different rules that govern what you do.</description>
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Why the hell are we even having court cases with these people. Did we do this in WWII, Civil war, Korean War. This is a joke and we should not have any kind of court cases with these POWs.
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<p>I guess that this is the corner the Administration has painted itself into.  These aren&#8217;t POWs.  If they were POWs, there would be a whole set of rules that govern how they should be treated.  These guys are &#8220;enemy combatants.&#8221;  And remember:  you can&#8217;t use WWII or the Korean War or anything else as a precedent.  This is &#8220;a different kind of war&#8221;&#8211;that <i>is</i> the point the Right has been making for the past seven years, right?  So there need to be different rules that govern what you do.</p>
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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/08/the-hamden-sentence/#comment-104512</link>
		<dc:creator>stix1972</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the hell are we even having court cases with these people.   Did we do this in WWII, Civil war, Korean War.   This is a joke and we should not have any kind of court cases with these POWs.   We should have just called them at the beginnign and kept them until the end of the War on Terror.   And then after we could have Military Tribunals of those that were the instigators in the Al Queda movement.   OR we should have just used the Geneva Convention and shot them on sight, becasue they would be coinsidered spies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the hell are we even having court cases with these people.   Did we do this in WWII, Civil war, Korean War.   This is a joke and we should not have any kind of court cases with these POWs.   We should have just called them at the beginnign and kept them until the end of the War on Terror.   And then after we could have Military Tribunals of those that were the instigators in the Al Queda movement.   OR we should have just used the Geneva Convention and shot them on sight, becasue they would be coinsidered spies.</p>
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		<title>By: bigpapa</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/08/the-hamden-sentence/#comment-104510</link>
		<dc:creator>bigpapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROFLMAO,,,, thanks Arthur I needed that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROFLMAO,,,, thanks Arthur I needed that!</p>
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		<title>By: Arthurstone</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/08/the-hamden-sentence/#comment-104471</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthurstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bigpapa typed:

"This ruling is BS and you know it in you black heart… but you would never admit it….."


This ruling is correct.

The case brought against Hamdan was weak (indeed, many think it was, in your words BS).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bigpapa typed:</p>
<p>&#8220;This ruling is BS and you know it in you black heart… but you would never admit it…..&#8221;</p>
<p>This ruling is correct.</p>
<p>The case brought against Hamdan was weak (indeed, many think it was, in your words BS).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hereby volunteer to pick-up Hamdan when he is released from the detention center and drive him to the airport for the trip back to Yemen.

My friends, Smith and Wesson will be along for the ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hereby volunteer to pick-up Hamdan when he is released from the detention center and drive him to the airport for the trip back to Yemen.</p>
<p>My friends, Smith and Wesson will be along for the ride.</p>
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		<title>By: BarbaraS</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/08/the-hamden-sentence/#comment-104308</link>
		<dc:creator>BarbaraS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 05:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, think of it this way.  This guy has been spilling his guts to the American military.  He has caused other arrests and stopped other operations.  When he gets out will he be safe from his former cohorts?  Or will they kill him horribly to get even?  Do they regard him as a traitor?  It seems unlikely that they will take him to their bosoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, think of it this way.  This guy has been spilling his guts to the American military.  He has caused other arrests and stopped other operations.  When he gets out will he be safe from his former cohorts?  Or will they kill him horribly to get even?  Do they regard him as a traitor?  It seems unlikely that they will take him to their bosoms.</p>
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		<title>By: bigpapa</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/08/the-hamden-sentence/#comment-104288</link>
		<dc:creator>bigpapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 03:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh my Arthur,,,,
you know how I feel about lawyers... no matter where they come from...
your "cheeky" dubious BS is just what it is... BS...

If you were a driver for a mob boss.... and obviously had knowledge of what they did...
would you be guilty too???

Yes you would because by not saying anything that makes you in agreement with their actions... 

This ruling is BS and you know it in you black heart... but you would never admit it.....

Yes,, there are liberal P'sOS in the military... oddly enough they are lawyers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh my Arthur,,,,<br />
you know how I feel about lawyers&#8230; no matter where they come from&#8230;<br />
your &#8220;cheeky&#8221; dubious BS is just what it is&#8230; BS&#8230;</p>
<p>If you were a driver for a mob boss&#8230;. and obviously had knowledge of what they did&#8230;<br />
would you be guilty too???</p>
<p>Yes you would because by not saying anything that makes you in agreement with their actions&#8230; </p>
<p>This ruling is BS and you know it in you black heart&#8230; but you would never admit it&#8230;..</p>
<p>Yes,, there are liberal P&#8217;sOS in the military&#8230; oddly enough they are lawyers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Arthurstone</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/08/the-hamden-sentence/#comment-104191</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthurstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Democrats have infiltrated the military tribunals.

Rather, serious career military officers are not at all persuaded by the dubious legal adventures of the Bush Administration and prefer the actual rule of law and have become sick and tired of GITMO.

Just a hunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Democrats have infiltrated the military tribunals.</p>
<p>Rather, serious career military officers are not at all persuaded by the dubious legal adventures of the Bush Administration and prefer the actual rule of law and have become sick and tired of GITMO.</p>
<p>Just a hunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/08/the-hamden-sentence/#comment-104174</link>
		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did the SCOTUS decision affect this case? I thought that this was already going forward when that decision came down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the SCOTUS decision affect this case? I thought that this was already going forward when that decision came down.</p>
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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/08/the-hamden-sentence/#comment-104156</link>
		<dc:creator>stix1972</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing truly amazing that this scumbag will only get 6 months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing truly amazing that this scumbag will only get 6 months.</p>
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		<title>By: native</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/08/the-hamden-sentence/#comment-104151</link>
		<dc:creator>native</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a desert storm vet i have to say, That makes me sick!  how the hell can these military men do that to our troops?  they need to be fired!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a desert storm vet i have to say, That makes me sick!  how the hell can these military men do that to our troops?  they need to be fired!</p>
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