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		<title>By: bbartlog</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/05/heres-the-fence/#comment-103861</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It galls me to no end to meet someone in this country with both US citizenship and that from another country. I believe you have to make a choice.&lt;/i&gt;

US policy in this regard is pretty reasonable: in order to become a US citizen, you *do* have to renounce your previous citizenship. My parents both gave up their German citizenship in order to become US citizens.
But in order for no one to hold dual citizenship, you would also need to have the US strip citizenship from anyone who became a citizen of a foreign country. There are after all plenty of countries that will grant you citizenship on much more lenient terms than the US (they don't require you to give up your US citizenship). There are countries that may consider you a citizen by bloodline, even if you weren't born there. Korea and Germany are two such countries. If I filed the right paperwork, I could become a German citizen - and from their perspective this is not a *grant* of citizenship as much as a recognition of it. 
So how should the US handle my situation? I suppose it could be required that I formally renounce any possibility of German citizenship, but if the German government itself attached no weight to such a renunciation then my situation isn't really changed, as I could still apply at any time. Alternatively, the US could opt to revoke my citizenship if at any point the German government recognized me as a German citizen. But again, unless the German government were cooperating with this project, enforcement would be difficult - absent some publication of the information, how would the US know that I had been recognized as a German citizen?
Better to focus on significant problems like people who cross our border without any regard for citizenship or laws. People with dual citizenship really aren't much of an issue from what I can tell when it comes to things like crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It galls me to no end to meet someone in this country with both US citizenship and that from another country. I believe you have to make a choice.</i></p>
<p>US policy in this regard is pretty reasonable: in order to become a US citizen, you *do* have to renounce your previous citizenship. My parents both gave up their German citizenship in order to become US citizens.<br />
But in order for no one to hold dual citizenship, you would also need to have the US strip citizenship from anyone who became a citizen of a foreign country. There are after all plenty of countries that will grant you citizenship on much more lenient terms than the US (they don&#8217;t require you to give up your US citizenship). There are countries that may consider you a citizen by bloodline, even if you weren&#8217;t born there. Korea and Germany are two such countries. If I filed the right paperwork, I could become a German citizen - and from their perspective this is not a *grant* of citizenship as much as a recognition of it.<br />
So how should the US handle my situation? I suppose it could be required that I formally renounce any possibility of German citizenship, but if the German government itself attached no weight to such a renunciation then my situation isn&#8217;t really changed, as I could still apply at any time. Alternatively, the US could opt to revoke my citizenship if at any point the German government recognized me as a German citizen. But again, unless the German government were cooperating with this project, enforcement would be difficult - absent some publication of the information, how would the US know that I had been recognized as a German citizen?<br />
Better to focus on significant problems like people who cross our border without any regard for citizenship or laws. People with dual citizenship really aren&#8217;t much of an issue from what I can tell when it comes to things like crime.</p>
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		<title>By: bigpapa</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/05/heres-the-fence/#comment-103691</link>
		<dc:creator>bigpapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suek,

I had seen that earlier,,, funny how well enforcement works!

here's another I just found.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/06/soldiers-cross-into-us-hold-guns-to-agent/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suek,</p>
<p>I had seen that earlier,,, funny how well enforcement works!</p>
<p>here&#8217;s another I just found.<br />
<a href="http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/06/soldiers-cross-into-us-hold-guns-to-agent/" rel="nofollow">http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/06/soldiers-cross-into-us-hold-guns-to-agent/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/05/heres-the-fence/#comment-103689</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fit Fit: When it comes to true ignorance you could teach lessons. Now, did you have ANY contribution to make that wasn't the kind of personal attacks you people constantly complain about?

P.S. For the record, admit you opposed the Reagan strategy to win the Cold War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fit Fit: When it comes to true ignorance you could teach lessons. Now, did you have ANY contribution to make that wasn&#8217;t the kind of personal attacks you people constantly complain about?</p>
<p>P.S. For the record, admit you opposed the Reagan strategy to win the Cold War.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/05/heres-the-fence/#comment-103679</link>
		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: that "illegal aliens declare on the US" article...one year later...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&#38;pageId=70728</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: that &#8220;illegal aliens declare on the US&#8221; article&#8230;one year later&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=70728" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=70728</a></p>
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		<title>By: bigpapa</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/05/heres-the-fence/#comment-103673</link>
		<dc:creator>bigpapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why we need a southern fence.


http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/

http://americandaily.com/article/20128


http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/SR14es.cfm

http://townhall.com/columnists/DouglasMacKinnon/2007/09/07/illegal_aliens_declare_war_on_the_united_states,_part_ii


And lastly one for all you La Raza fans:

http://americandaily.com/article/22827</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why we need a southern fence.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://americandaily.com/article/20128" rel="nofollow">http://americandaily.com/article/20128</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/SR14es.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/SR14es.cfm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/DouglasMacKinnon/2007/09/07/illegal_aliens_declare_war_on_the_united_states,_part_ii" rel="nofollow">http://townhall.com/columnists/DouglasMacKinnon/2007/09/07/illegal_aliens_declare_war_on_the_united_states,_part_ii</a></p>
<p>And lastly one for all you La Raza fans:</p>
<p><a href="http://americandaily.com/article/22827" rel="nofollow">http://americandaily.com/article/22827</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arthurstone</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/05/heres-the-fence/#comment-103657</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthurstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wordsmith typed:

'As for a northern fence….I didn’t know that we had an epidemic problem of Canadian illegals crossing the border.'

We don't yet....

But how much longer before Canadians tire of their socialist state (typified by that horrible medical system) and head south to freedom?

Can't be too careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wordsmith typed:</p>
<p>&#8216;As for a northern fence….I didn’t know that we had an epidemic problem of Canadian illegals crossing the border.&#8217;</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t yet&#8230;.</p>
<p>But how much longer before Canadians tire of their socialist state (typified by that horrible medical system) and head south to freedom?</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t be too careful.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/05/heres-the-fence/#comment-103654</link>
		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ll bet you did everything possible to oppose Ronald Reagan’s vision to bring down the Berlin Wall!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Only true ignorance can produce such beautiful irony.  Thank you Mike, you've made my day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’ll bet you did everything possible to oppose Ronald Reagan’s vision to bring down the Berlin Wall!</p></blockquote>
<p>Only true ignorance can produce such beautiful irony.  Thank you Mike, you&#8217;ve made my day.</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/05/heres-the-fence/#comment-103646</link>
		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We need a northern fence. I for one would like to see fences around individual states as well. “Nothing says ‘freedom’ like a good fence”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

fit fit, do you own a home?  Do you have a fence around the yard?  Do your neighbors offend you should they choose to protect their yards with fences?

As for a northern fence....I didn't know that we had an epidemic problem of Canadian illegals crossing the border.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We need a northern fence. I for one would like to see fences around individual states as well. “Nothing says ‘freedom’ like a good fence”.</p></blockquote>
<p>fit fit, do you own a home?  Do you have a fence around the yard?  Do your neighbors offend you should they choose to protect their yards with fences?</p>
<p>As for a northern fence&#8230;.I didn&#8217;t know that we had an epidemic problem of Canadian illegals crossing the border.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/05/heres-the-fence/#comment-103638</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, we need to put a fence around Charleston so Fit Fit can't get loose.

Do you even understand the difference between a fence to keep people out and a fence to keep people in?

I'll bet you did everything possible to oppose Ronald Reagan's vision to bring down the Berlin Wall!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, we need to put a fence around Charleston so Fit Fit can&#8217;t get loose.</p>
<p>Do you even understand the difference between a fence to keep people out and a fence to keep people in?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet you did everything possible to oppose Ronald Reagan&#8217;s vision to bring down the Berlin Wall!</p>
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		<title>By: Arthurstone</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/05/heres-the-fence/#comment-103626</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthurstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great photo.

Makes me proud  to be a Murcan.

I'm going to get the first really good night's sleep in a long, long while tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great photo.</p>
<p>Makes me proud  to be a Murcan.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to get the first really good night&#8217;s sleep in a long, long while tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;makes a person a bit scared.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed.  We need a northern fence.  I for one would like to see fences around individual states as well.  "Nothing says 'freedom' like a good fence".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>makes a person a bit scared.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed.  We need a northern fence.  I for one would like to see fences around individual states as well.  &#8220;Nothing says &#8216;freedom&#8217; like a good fence&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: A Second Hand Conjecture &#187; A Line in the Sand</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/05/heres-the-fence/#comment-103612</link>
		<dc:creator>A Second Hand Conjecture &#187; A Line in the Sand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is that a border? A real, defined, fenced, national border? For our country?? Trick photography surely.  addthis_url [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Is that a border? A real, defined, fenced, national border? For our country?? Trick photography surely.  addthis_url [...]</p>
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		<title>By: luva the scissors</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/05/heres-the-fence/#comment-103610</link>
		<dc:creator>luva the scissors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like the fence idea, it makes it a bit more difficult for illegals to get into this country.  sad but true, many crimes are commited by illegal aliens, not only ones from mexico but also from other nations.  we need to have strong borders to help keep us safe.  the washtington state border with canada is a ditch in a few places, the canadian border with alaska up near beaver creek is a stand of trees in a meadow.  it is this very long stretch of trees goin on for miles, looks kida cool, but not very safe.  when i was through there there wasn't even a border station or anything, it was llike going from onecounty to the next.  how many nasty people could enter this natin from canada or mexico because our borders aren't secure?  makes a person a bit scared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like the fence idea, it makes it a bit more difficult for illegals to get into this country.  sad but true, many crimes are commited by illegal aliens, not only ones from mexico but also from other nations.  we need to have strong borders to help keep us safe.  the washtington state border with canada is a ditch in a few places, the canadian border with alaska up near beaver creek is a stand of trees in a meadow.  it is this very long stretch of trees goin on for miles, looks kida cool, but not very safe.  when i was through there there wasn&#8217;t even a border station or anything, it was llike going from onecounty to the next.  how many nasty people could enter this natin from canada or mexico because our borders aren&#8217;t secure?  makes a person a bit scared.</p>
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		<title>By: DW 5000</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/05/heres-the-fence/#comment-103609</link>
		<dc:creator>DW 5000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
It galls me to no end to meet someone in this coutnry &lt;B&gt;[sic]&lt;/B&gt; with both US citizenship and that from another country. I beleive &lt;B&gt;[sic]&lt;/B&gt; you have to make a choice.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess not, Einstein, or there wouldn't be any people with dual citizenship.

How is dual citizenship affecting you in any way whatever (aside, of course, from giving you the opportunity for some ginned-up poutrage)?</description>
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It galls me to no end to meet someone in this coutnry <b>[sic]</b> with both US citizenship and that from another country. I beleive <b>[sic]</b> you have to make a choice.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess not, Einstein, or there wouldn&#8217;t be any people with dual citizenship.</p>
<p>How is dual citizenship affecting you in any way whatever (aside, of course, from giving you the opportunity for some ginned-up poutrage)?</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad it will probably be torn down a few years after comprehensive immigration reform gets passed by President McCain or Obama.  Waste of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad it will probably be torn down a few years after comprehensive immigration reform gets passed by President McCain or Obama.  Waste of money.</p>
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