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	<title>Comments on: U.S. official: Iraqis told me WMDs sent to Syria</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/04/us-official-iraqis-told-me-wmds-sent-to-syria/#comment-103834</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or unless the Bush Admin doesn't want to highlight their intel fubars, and force a fresh round of brinkmanship w Syria on a scale similar to that which was presented to Saddam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or unless the Bush Admin doesn&#8217;t want to highlight their intel fubars, and force a fresh round of brinkmanship w Syria on a scale similar to that which was presented to Saddam.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthurstone</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/04/us-official-iraqis-told-me-wmds-sent-to-syria/#comment-103831</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthurstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.

The photo of the eyedroppers sent a chill up my spine.

"A former American overseer of Iraqi prisons says several dozen inmates who were members of Saddam Hussein’s military and intelligence forces boasted of helping transport weapons of mass destruction to Syria and Lebanon in the three months prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Don Bordenkircher – who served two years as national director of prison and jail operations in Iraq– told WND that about 40 prisoners he spoke with “boasted of being involved in the transport of WMD warheads to Syria.”
A smaller number of prisoners, he said, claimed “they knew the locations of the missile hulls buried in Iraq.”


Hey! 

I've got an idea.

Let's go dig them up!

We have occupied the country for five years and will likely do so for another 20-50 so it isn't as if we can't go where we like.

Unless, of course, Bordenkircher was inventing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>The photo of the eyedroppers sent a chill up my spine.</p>
<p>&#8220;A former American overseer of Iraqi prisons says several dozen inmates who were members of Saddam Hussein’s military and intelligence forces boasted of helping transport weapons of mass destruction to Syria and Lebanon in the three months prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom.<br />
Don Bordenkircher – who served two years as national director of prison and jail operations in Iraq– told WND that about 40 prisoners he spoke with “boasted of being involved in the transport of WMD warheads to Syria.”<br />
A smaller number of prisoners, he said, claimed “they knew the locations of the missile hulls buried in Iraq.”</p>
<p>Hey! </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got an idea.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s go dig them up!</p>
<p>We have occupied the country for five years and will likely do so for another 20-50 so it isn&#8217;t as if we can&#8217;t go where we like.</p>
<p>Unless, of course, Bordenkircher was inventing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark E</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/04/us-official-iraqis-told-me-wmds-sent-to-syria/#comment-103811</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yonason,
Can you tell us more about what your intel officer contact said?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yonason,<br />
Can you tell us more about what your intel officer contact said?</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/04/us-official-iraqis-told-me-wmds-sent-to-syria/#comment-103761</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know an Air Force Intelligence Officer who was in Iraq.  When I asked if he knew of any WMD he assured me that there were, for sure, WMD in Iraq.  Everything else I know also says the Dems are the liars.  I just wish Bush had been more aggressive in smacking them down.  I think that was a horrible mistake on his part not to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know an Air Force Intelligence Officer who was in Iraq.  When I asked if he knew of any WMD he assured me that there were, for sure, WMD in Iraq.  Everything else I know also says the Dems are the liars.  I just wish Bush had been more aggressive in smacking them down.  I think that was a horrible mistake on his part not to.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/04/us-official-iraqis-told-me-wmds-sent-to-syria/#comment-103317</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.  It's not like the two biggest drivers of the insurgency (Baath Party remnants/regime remnants and Al Queda groups) weren't based in Syria and operating out of Syria.  Right?

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/harmony/pdf/Sinjar_2_July_23.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.  It&#8217;s not like the two biggest drivers of the insurgency (Baath Party remnants/regime remnants and Al Queda groups) weren&#8217;t based in Syria and operating out of Syria.  Right?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ctc.usma.edu/harmony/pdf/Sinjar_2_July_23.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ctc.usma.edu/harmony/pdf/Sinjar_2_July_23.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/04/us-official-iraqis-told-me-wmds-sent-to-syria/#comment-103316</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This piece is a total fabrication, from beginning to end. NPR tells me so.
Some author was given prime space on the radio this morning (8/5) to promote his new book, in which he documents the fact that there never were any WMD in Iraq, and that orders came from high up in the White House to fabricate evidence against Iraq, and that there was never any purchase of yellowcake uranium by Iraq.
So there.
We know the story is true, because it appeared on NPR.
I guess Dan Rather was not available for doing the interview.
A high-ranking Iraqi defector (paid $5,000,000 to defect) has kindly provided all of this information, and we know that he is an honest man.
So ignore the aerial photographs. They were faked.
Ignore the many interviews with the Iraqi technicians. They all lied.
Ignore the history of Mohammed el Baradei and the UN weapons inspectors. They all lied as well.
Ignore the photos of Iraqi materiel taken at various ports.
Ignore the fact that Russia had to help move the stuff to Syria because their fingerprints were all over everything, as they were the suppliers. 
Ignore the gassing of the Kurds.
Just ignore everything. 
On the other hand, I am reliably informed that there are folk out there who still believe the Earth is flat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece is a total fabrication, from beginning to end. NPR tells me so.<br />
Some author was given prime space on the radio this morning (8/5) to promote his new book, in which he documents the fact that there never were any WMD in Iraq, and that orders came from high up in the White House to fabricate evidence against Iraq, and that there was never any purchase of yellowcake uranium by Iraq.<br />
So there.<br />
We know the story is true, because it appeared on NPR.<br />
I guess Dan Rather was not available for doing the interview.<br />
A high-ranking Iraqi defector (paid $5,000,000 to defect) has kindly provided all of this information, and we know that he is an honest man.<br />
So ignore the aerial photographs. They were faked.<br />
Ignore the many interviews with the Iraqi technicians. They all lied.<br />
Ignore the history of Mohammed el Baradei and the UN weapons inspectors. They all lied as well.<br />
Ignore the photos of Iraqi materiel taken at various ports.<br />
Ignore the fact that Russia had to help move the stuff to Syria because their fingerprints were all over everything, as they were the suppliers.<br />
Ignore the gassing of the Kurds.<br />
Just ignore everything.<br />
On the other hand, I am reliably informed that there are folk out there who still believe the Earth is flat.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/04/us-official-iraqis-told-me-wmds-sent-to-syria/#comment-103174</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I own Sada's book, &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Saddams-Secrets-Georges-Hormuz-Sada/dp/1591454042/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1217895965&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Saddam's Secrets, &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Scott.  Refer to it often, and it's quite the biography of his life.  His accounts that Syria was a recipient to WMD actually run parallel to noted satellite movement by UNMOVIC  observed activity as well.  He has no doubts they not only existed, but were moved in the run up to OIF - the bulk of which to Syria.  

Which is why no one will ever convince me that WMD did not exist.  And they try to qualify that statement with a parsed meaning of WMD.  How can you not consider the stashes we have documented retrieving, mounted on the prosribed Samud missiles Saddam possesses after 1998 as a WMD atop a missile??  I guess they prefer to define it as nuke only, and bioweaponry doesn't count.  Altho Saddam's nuke program was alive and well... under the radar level.... ready to be reconstituted at first opportunity.

Sadly,  the western media shunned Sada's book release, and his statements, by virtually ignoring his presence.  He did not want to write that book, but was pressured into it by those who wanted the truth, as he knew it to be, laid out for the world to see.  The man really preferred to lay low.  Tho Amazon ranks it as #17 in the Iraq history sellers, I suspect more read a romance novel or fiction spy thriller than read real history.  It goes against the grain of what has been pounded into our heads.  But I, for one, would love to see a Hollywood reenactment movie made.  A "true to the book" account, of course.... should such a critter exist.

BTW, are you aware that Sada's brother is the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad?  This man is not removed from the internal contacts between these countries.   Sada, in the book, made a personal plea for his brother  to come clean.  He has not done so, of course (talk about a short lifespan in the wake....)   But Syria and Israel have taken notable diplomatic steps to reconcile differences in the past year.

I'll wager that history has far more to shed on Dubya's term and legacy than we shall ever find in today's media.  Perhaps we will not live to see it... but our kids and grandkids will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own Sada&#8217;s book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Saddams-Secrets-Georges-Hormuz-Sada/dp/1591454042/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1217895965&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"><b>Saddam&#8217;s Secrets, </b></a> Scott.  Refer to it often, and it&#8217;s quite the biography of his life.  His accounts that Syria was a recipient to WMD actually run parallel to noted satellite movement by UNMOVIC  observed activity as well.  He has no doubts they not only existed, but were moved in the run up to OIF - the bulk of which to Syria.  </p>
<p>Which is why no one will ever convince me that WMD did not exist.  And they try to qualify that statement with a parsed meaning of WMD.  How can you not consider the stashes we have documented retrieving, mounted on the prosribed Samud missiles Saddam possesses after 1998 as a WMD atop a missile??  I guess they prefer to define it as nuke only, and bioweaponry doesn&#8217;t count.  Altho Saddam&#8217;s nuke program was alive and well&#8230; under the radar level&#8230;. ready to be reconstituted at first opportunity.</p>
<p>Sadly,  the western media shunned Sada&#8217;s book release, and his statements, by virtually ignoring his presence.  He did not want to write that book, but was pressured into it by those who wanted the truth, as he knew it to be, laid out for the world to see.  The man really preferred to lay low.  Tho Amazon ranks it as #17 in the Iraq history sellers, I suspect more read a romance novel or fiction spy thriller than read real history.  It goes against the grain of what has been pounded into our heads.  But I, for one, would love to see a Hollywood reenactment movie made.  A &#8220;true to the book&#8221; account, of course&#8230;. should such a critter exist.</p>
<p>BTW, are you aware that Sada&#8217;s brother is the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad?  This man is not removed from the internal contacts between these countries.   Sada, in the book, made a personal plea for his brother  to come clean.  He has not done so, of course (talk about a short lifespan in the wake&#8230;.)   But Syria and Israel have taken notable diplomatic steps to reconcile differences in the past year.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll wager that history has far more to shed on Dubya&#8217;s term and legacy than we shall ever find in today&#8217;s media.  Perhaps we will not live to see it&#8230; but our kids and grandkids will.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark E</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/04/us-official-iraqis-told-me-wmds-sent-to-syria/#comment-103161</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice piece Scott.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice piece Scott.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/04/us-official-iraqis-told-me-wmds-sent-to-syria/#comment-103121</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>President Bush gave his Axis of Evil speech in January 2002 (the month after Bin Laden escaped to Pakistan), then invaded Iraq 15months later.  According to opponents of the invasion of Iraq, by invading Iraq 16months after UBL escaped...Pres Bush "took his eye off the ball" so that he could "rush to war" over the subsequent 15 months.

It's called the faux-liberal timeline of history</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President Bush gave his Axis of Evil speech in January 2002 (the month after Bin Laden escaped to Pakistan), then invaded Iraq 15months later.  According to opponents of the invasion of Iraq, by invading Iraq 16months after UBL escaped&#8230;Pres Bush &#8220;took his eye off the ball&#8221; so that he could &#8220;rush to war&#8221; over the subsequent 15 months.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called the faux-liberal timeline of history</p>
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		<title>By: 11B40</title>
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		<dc:creator>11B40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings:

You mean while the US was doing all that wonderful multilateral diplomacy at the UN, Saddam was using that time to prepare for war?  My God, who could have thought of that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings:</p>
<p>You mean while the US was doing all that wonderful multilateral diplomacy at the UN, Saddam was using that time to prepare for war?  My God, who could have thought of that!</p>
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		<title>By: John Davies</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also remember Debka reporting some details on this before the war started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also remember Debka reporting some details on this before the war started.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/04/us-official-iraqis-told-me-wmds-sent-to-syria/#comment-103053</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, you've been after it for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, you&#8217;ve been after it for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: steveegg</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveegg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Morning Scramble (double-barrelled edition) - 8/4/2008...&lt;/strong&gt;

Silent E already put up an abbreviated Scramble back at my main site that can&#8217;t be missed, but I don&#8217;t leave until o-light-hundred (6 am Central) Wednesday.  I may as well combine the two...



 



I'll leave you to decide which.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Morning Scramble (double-barrelled edition) - 8/4/2008&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Silent E already put up an abbreviated Scramble back at my main site that can&#8217;t be missed, but I don&#8217;t leave until o-light-hundred (6 am Central) Wednesday.  I may as well combine the two&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave you to decide which&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: No Runny Eggs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Morning Scramble (extended version) - 8/4/2008</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/04/us-official-iraqis-told-me-wmds-sent-to-syria/#comment-103048</link>
		<dc:creator>No Runny Eggs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Morning Scramble (extended version) - 8/4/2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scott reports high-ranking Saddam-era Iraqi officials are admitting that the Iraqi WMD program went to Syria in the months leading up to Operation Iraqi Freedom. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Scott reports high-ranking Saddam-era Iraqi officials are admitting that the Iraqi WMD program went to Syria in the months leading up to Operation Iraqi Freedom. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/04/us-official-iraqis-told-me-wmds-sent-to-syria/#comment-103039</link>
		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am NOT at all a fan of World Net Daily, but I can vouch for Ryan Mauro’s piece &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is part of the problem, Scott.  Until journalists in the mainstream start talking about it in the New York Times, 60 Minutes, etc., there will not be any significant challenge to the established mainstream "no wmd found" narrative, save perhaps 50 years down the road, by historians.  Openly partisan sources will always have the credibility challenge, other than with the amen chorus.  

The fact that you're a Democrat gives you a default credibility the rest of us lacks in the eyes of knee-jerk Republican rejectionists; the fact that you blog here at Flopping Aces, takes it away.

I'm not saying at all, that putting the information out there, even from partisan sources, doesn't create inroads; but it's difficult to do so, as it's easier for partisans to attack and reject the news source than it is for them to examine the content for any validity to the claims.  Hence why it is usually preferable to cite from the mainstream whenever possible (except FOX News, which is mainstream, but in the eyes of political opponents, held suspect).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am NOT at all a fan of World Net Daily, but I can vouch for Ryan Mauro’s piece </p></blockquote>
<p>This is part of the problem, Scott.  Until journalists in the mainstream start talking about it in the New York Times, 60 Minutes, etc., there will not be any significant challenge to the established mainstream &#8220;no wmd found&#8221; narrative, save perhaps 50 years down the road, by historians.  Openly partisan sources will always have the credibility challenge, other than with the amen chorus.  </p>
<p>The fact that you&#8217;re a Democrat gives you a default credibility the rest of us lacks in the eyes of knee-jerk Republican rejectionists; the fact that you blog here at Flopping Aces, takes it away.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying at all, that putting the information out there, even from partisan sources, doesn&#8217;t create inroads; but it&#8217;s difficult to do so, as it&#8217;s easier for partisans to attack and reject the news source than it is for them to examine the content for any validity to the claims.  Hence why it is usually preferable to cite from the mainstream whenever possible (except FOX News, which is mainstream, but in the eyes of political opponents, held suspect).</p>
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