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Obama’s Ego Grows Larger

Posted by: Curt @ 7:22 am in Barack Obama, MSM Bias  | 35 views

We all knew this day would come. obama8.jpgHow could it not? With the MSM fawning over him like he is their savior and kids barely old enough to vote making videos of their love for him it was just a matter of time before Barack Obama started believing the hype:

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In his closed door meeting with House Democrats this evening, presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama delivered a real zinger. According to a witness, he was waxing lyrical about last week’s trip to Europe, when he concluded, “this is the moment, as Nancy [Pelosi] noted, that the world is waiting for.”

The 200,000 souls who thronged to his speech in Berlin came not just for him, he told the enthralled audience of congressional representatives.obama2.jpg

“I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions,” he said.

Oh boy. What did that prayer of his say again?

“Help me guard against pride……”

This messianic rhetoric matches his recently released ad in which he says “We are a beacon of light around the world. At least that’s what we can be again. That’s what we should be again.” Pretty much saying we are not a beacon of light NOW! (Tell that to the Iraqi’s who know have freedom from tyranny) but when he gets into power his greatness will bring back that beacon of light.

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SFGoth
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After dating a Bulgarian girl for 3 years, I can read Joe’s name in Russian (same alphabet, Cyrillic)

July 30th, 2008 at 7:57 am
Dave Noble
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Curt,

Yes, he’s Lenin, he’s Stalin, he’s the anti-Christ, he’s Chthulhu, the ancient evil come to ravage the earth. But wait a minute, he’s an empty suit who can’t speak without a teleprompter. This reminds me of the way George Bush’s friend Tony Blair was attacked by the conservatives in Great Britain. One minute they were calling him Bambi, the next they were calling him Stalin.

Get your narrative straight.

And realize that for a good portion of the rest of the world, the day we invaded Iraq was not our brightest day, nor have President Bush’s other actions improved global attitudes toward the U.S.
It’s been a rough eight years for our standing in the world.

From a Pew survey taken in 2007:

“A 47-nation survey finds global public opinion increasingly wary of the world’s dominant nations and disapproving of their leaders. Anti-Americanism is extensive, as it has been for the past five years. At the same time, the image of China has slipped significantly among the publics of other major nations. Opinion about Russia is mixed, but confidence in its president, Vladimir Putin, has declined sharply. In fact, the Russian leader’s negatives have soared to the point that they mirror the nearly worldwide lack of confidence in George W. Bush.
Global distrust of American leadership is reflected in increasing disapproval of the cornerstones of U.S. foreign policy. Not only is there worldwide support for a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, but there also is considerable opposition to U.S. and NATO operations in Afghanistan. Western European publics are at best divided about keeping troops there. In nearly every predominantly Muslim country, overwhelming majorities want U.S. and NATO troops withdrawn from Afghanistan as soon as possible. In addition, global support for the U.S.-led war on terrorism ebbs ever lower. And the United States is the nation blamed most often for hurting the world’s environment, at a time of rising global concern about environmental issues.”

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=256

July 30th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Dave Noble
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SFGoth,

Actually that says, “Obama will come!”

July 30th, 2008 at 8:09 am
Neo
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Given the current state of the Obama campaign and Democrats in general in regard to Obama, consider the possibility of John McCain winning.

swallow hard here and think the awful repercussions ..

the first black candidate for President losing .. (the 1st woman VP lost .. won’t cut same)
image it’s close .. it could get ugly (and all those amazing conspiracy stories)

just let your imagination go for a moment

July 30th, 2008 at 8:34 am
DW 5000
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nor have President Bush’s other actions improved global attitudes toward the U.S.

Remember, Dave: only pussies care what the rest of the world thinks! Never mind that we seem to find ourselves needing to build “coalitions” on a regular basis to carry out our foreign policy objectives–what those potential coalition partners think about us matters not a whit.

July 30th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Fit fit
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Now Dave I don’t think anyone’s compared Obama to almighty Cthulhu… besides, wouldn’t Nyarlathotep be more apt. I think if Obama were the anti-Christ, the appropriate thing to do would be to stay home praying with my family on election day. Voting against him would be trying to deny the inevitable.

July 30th, 2008 at 9:42 am
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“nor have President Bush’s other actions improved global attitudes toward the U.S.”

Intersting that with all these negative attitudes towards the U.S. nearly every major Western country, INCLUDING FRANCE, has elected pro-Bush, pro-U.S. leadership in the last few years.

You keep telling that big lie Dave Hussein Noble. Maybe someone will believe it!


July 30th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Fit fit
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Mike would much rather see foreigners burning American flags rather than waving them. He lives on hate not hope.

July 30th, 2008 at 10:12 am
bigpapa
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DW said
“Remember, Dave: only pussies care what the rest of the world thinks! Never mind that we seem to find ourselves needing to build “coalitions” on a regular basis to carry out our foreign policy objectives–what those potential coalition partners think about us matters not a whit.”

So,,, you do care what the rest of the world thinks!
The coalition BS is just for you libs… it really doesn’t matter!

NOBAMA is a freaking socialist, marxist POS…

July 30th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Scrapiron
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How many nations that matter went to war in Iraq right beside the American troops? Over 20 and the only ones that really matter, the rest are on a self destructive tour of Islamic terrorist love. We have been involved in WWI, WWII, Korea, GWI and GWII. Of the hundreds of thousands of Americans who lost their lives fighting for freedom, ‘less than 4500′ lives were lost in wars that started with a Republican in the office of POTUS and more people were freed in the process. Since the democrats tried and didn’t succeed in getting hundreds of thousands of Americans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan they are now resorting to complaining about the dollar cost. It seem to be a good tradeoff and a good way to win a war to me, ’spend dollars to save lives’. But then spending billions of tax dollars to kill babies is a democrats idea of good money management. Go figure.

All liberals, aka democrats, (seem to) hate America, babies, and freedom.

July 30th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Arthurstone
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Scrapiron wondered then concluded:

‘How many nations that matter went to war in Iraq right beside the American troops? Over 20 and the only ones that really matter, the rest are on a self destructive tour of Islamic terrorist love.’

The real question is: “how many nations went to war in Iraq right beside the American troops and paid for it themselves rather than having the US pick up the tab?”

July 30th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Fit fit
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Since the democrats tried and didn’t succeed in getting hundreds of thousands of Americans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan

Nice.

Maybe you should start hanging out with J.D. Atikisson. He needs some friends and you seem to have a lot in common…

July 30th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Neo
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Barack Obama said Friday that persuading NATO allies to contribute more troops to Afghanistan could lead to U.S. troop cuts and help improve the U.S. economy, with reduced military expenditure being diverted into tax cuts to help middle class families.

.. German responds ..

Secretary General of the opposition German Free Democrats, Dieter Niebel, responded to Mr. Obama by telling the Bild am Sonntag that:

“Under no circumstances will the German taxpayer pay with more money and more troops for Afghanistan for tax cuts in the U.S.”

Erwin Huber, chairman of the center-right Christian Social Union of Bavaria, called Mr. Obama’s statement “a disappointment for Europe and Germany.”

Mr. Huber, who belongs to the sister party of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats, also said, “it is the opposite of solidarity and partnership when one side is to make more sacrifices and the other gains an advantage from it.”

Just like 9-11 .. for a couple of hours we are “all Americans” then the other shoe drops.

Obama has ruined our relations with German. It’s all downhill from here.

Obama who is turning out to be more like Bush than McCain; Obama is at least as arrogant as W, just more polished. Are you not ashamed, in these past weeks, of his reckless abandon of any pretense to a moral center …

July 30th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Neo
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Why does this feel so much like Vince Foster deja vu ?

July 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am
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Dave Noble, INRE your comment, Get your narrative straight… there’s nothing in Curt’s narrative that isn’t straight. He is a Marxist/socialist affirmative action candidate with poor debate skills, a repetitive mantra from his speeches, and a totally empty suit.

However Curt’s post was not about what he, or many of us, think about him. It’s about Obama’s perception of self, aided by a fawning media.

July 30th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Fit fit
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Curt’s post was based around a WaPo piece that misquoted Obama. Some people are only interested in what they want to be the truth.

July 30th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
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Fit Fit: Your comment #8 is more absurd than usual.

The point is that foreigners do NOT hate the U.S. more as evidenced by the clear changes in government these last eight years to more pro-American, pro-Bush leadership.

Merkel in Germany, Harper in Canada, Sarkozy in France, Berlusconi in Italy and on and on and on.

Do I need to post the photo of citizens of Albania going wild over the visit by President Bush?

I know I have posted these photos recently, but if you are going to keep telling the big lie over and over and over again I’ll just continue to show these:


President George W. Bush is covered with the hands of Albanians as he’s greeted with an outpouring of welcome Sunday, June 10, 2007, during a stop in Fushe Kruje. The stop marked the first time a sitting U.S. president has visited the country. White House photo by Eric Draper

Courtyard Council of Ministers
Tirana, Albania
June 10, 2007

PRIME MINISTER BERISHA: (As translated.) Today is a beautiful day. Today is a great day, historic for all Albanians. Among us is the greatest and most distinguished guest we have ever had in all times, the President of the United States of America, the leading country of the free world, George W. Bush

They loved Bush so much they put him on their postage stamps:

You might be forgiven for not knowing of these events as Bush wasn’t followed around Europe on this trip, or any other, by the three major network news anchors.

But please, let’s not have any more of the big lie or I will lose ALL respect for you.

July 30th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Fit fit
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I readily agree these leaders are more pro-American, but don’t think anyone ran as a pro-Bush candidate. People can’t even do that here.

If you’re willing to forgive me for my ignorance then I’ll excuse you for trying to hype the only part (Albania) of that trip that he wasn’t greeted by protestors.

In the spirit of fairness, GWB is also popular in Africa. He has probably done more for the continent (with the obvious exception of Darfur) than any American president.

July 30th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
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Fit #16, I don’t need WaPo to point out that BHO is vain and arrogant. He demonstrates that daily. Humility is a characteristic distinctly absent in that man.

July 30th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
suek
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>>A 47-nation survey finds global public opinion increasingly wary of the world’s dominant nations and disapproving of their leaders>>

How many of those 47 nations were islamic? any clue?

July 30th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
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Fit Fit said: “If you’re willing to forgive me for my ignorance then I’ll excuse you for trying to hype the only part (Albania) of that trip that he wasn’t greeted by protestors.”

Protesters? Other than the usual professional welfare queens and Muslim crazies that know every four letter word but work and soap I didn’t notice any big protest contingent on that trip. In fact, the only one where there was a big protest was in London a while back.

Let’s leave Albania and look at some other Bush trips that were also not covered by three television anchors in tow:

Thousands jam St. Marks’s Square in Zagreb to see and hear President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Ivo Sanader of Croatia Saturday, April 5, 2008. White House photo by Chris Greenberg

Thousands gather in Freedom Square to hear President George W. Bush speak in Tbilisi, Georgia, Tuesday, May 10, 2005. “When Georgians gathered here 16 years ago, this square had a different name. Under Lenin’s steely gaze, thousands of Georgians prayed and sang, and demanded their independence, said President Bush. “The Soviet army crushed that day of protest, but they could not crush the spirit of the Georgian people.” White House photo by Paul Morse

I suppose Bush could have gotten a bigger crowds if he had offered free beer and a rock concert but I’m sure where they would have put them all.

Again, the idea that we are not respected around the world IS A LIE!

And just to enlighten you on the contrast that was so key in the recent French election, Sarkozy’s opponent, Mme Royal said, “I am not for a Europe that allies with the U.S. I have never been, and will never.” Voters rejected that appeal soundly. If they hated American as much as you people would like to think they do they had a clear choice to pick Royal.

They did not.

July 30th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Arthurstone
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Albania, Croatia.

Two of Europe’s major powers pulling out all the stops for GWB.

The crowds erupt in a frenzy of adoration.

USA! USA! USA!

July 30th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
bigpapa
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Mike’s
“Again, the idea that we are not respected around the world IS A LIE!”

you have to remember too… who tells that lie..
The MSM and their commie buddies.. they say it often enough that people start to believe it.

Speaking of commies,,, here’s an excellent look at comrade Nobamas roots.

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=302137342405551

July 30th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Scott Malensek
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…and if we play Obama’s “now is the moment” speech backwards, it sounds like Russian. More specifically, it sounds like Vladamir Putin singing, Helter Skelter.

…but that’s just me.

July 30th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
scriptamanent
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Mike, here in Europe, the feeling towards USA is mixed.
I just read “The Anti-American obsession”, which I recommend for all American readers and particularly for leftish European readers. In that book, Revel describes the roots and causes of the anti-American feeling in Europe, particularly in France and particularly in the left.
But you are right, large parts of European societies have a deep respect for USA: the right parties.
Is that different to USA itself? It seems that large parts of American society don’t respect themselves. They usually “blame USA first” for everything.
Also, the MSM in Europe, very often leftish, tend to present usually the most negative aspects of USA. I guess they get the news from the American MSM.

Anyway, it is very likely that the countries that were part of the Soviet Bloc, show deeper respect for USA. They lived in the “Soviet Dream” and they know where freedom is.

In the case of Spain, the leftish people, starting with Zapatero, are completely irrational about USA. Did you know that the Kosovo war was provoked by USA to stop the increasing influence and power that Europe was gathering? What can you say when people with a degree say that?

Zapatero is saying these days that the reason why we are in an economic crisis is… the Iraq invasion by USA!!! It’s pathetic.

July 30th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
SoCal Chris
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“The 200,000 souls who thronged to his speech in Berlin came not just for him, he told the enthralled audience of congressional representatives.”
…No, they came for the free beer and rock concert (as Mike’s America mentioned). Same thing at the Portland, Oregon rally, from what I’ve heard.

On another note, can anyone tell me any person in congress who is LESS qualified in terms of experience, than Sen. Obama? This is not a rhetorical question, btw. The expansion of his ego is solely because of the worshipping media (and the Oprah fan club) and certainly not a result of any accomplishments on his part…oh wait, I forgot–he was a “community organizer”, silly me.

July 30th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
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Scriptament: You are entirely right. There are as many self loathing lefties who LIVE in the U.S. and despise it as there are self loathing lefties in Europe who also despise the U.S.

The minority who go out and bang pots and pans in protest always get more coverage than the decent, quiet hardworking folks who still hold this country in high esteem.

Big Papa: Thanks for sharing that link:

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=302137342405551

We could do a whole post on that subject, but I clipped this paragraph to sum it up:

“Economic justice” simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It’s a euphemism for socialism.”

Obama’s program is entirely neosocialism masquerading as something it is not. I recommend everyone who would deny that truth to read the article before parading their ignorance.

July 30th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
bigpapa
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You’re welcome Mike’s, I really feel this idiot and his handlers are a true danger to our country.

and thanks scriptamanent for the opinion and info…
I have to agree with the “blame USA first” occuring here,,, I just don’t understand it?????

July 30th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
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It’s easy to understand bigpapa: These are self loathing lefties. They don’t like themselves much, but rather than face that truth they blame their unhappiness on the country that gives them so much freedom. Even if it is freedom to fail in their case.

Even if they got their way and the freedom to fail and succeed was replaced with universal mediocrity they would still be unhappy.

Did you ever meet a Russian who thought Communism was the answer to everything? But that doesn’t stop the American left from wanting to try it all again one more time.

July 30th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
bigpapa
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You know Mike’s,, I think that’s what really confuses me about these socialists in our country…
There have been so many examples that it doesn’t work throughout history.. yet they cling to it…
I remember when I was stationed in New Mexico talking with a couple who had been stationed in England and they actually took a tour of East Berlin… not a pretty picture..

I know why the “leaders” do it,, just for the power and money.. but I cannot wrap my little mind around why the middle upper class people do when they are the ones who will lose the most…

Best answer I can come up with is public schools..???
If you have Showtime make sure you watch the latest Penn and Teller BS… about the evironmental movement..
When they interview these brain dead people from Santa Fe… amazing…

Like Unions embracing the democrap party… when they really stand to benefit more from a strong economy and strong business…
More business equals more money I would think,,,

Cut your nose off to spite your face…

July 30th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
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It seems that large parts of American society don’t respect themselves. They usually “blame USA first” for everything.

Well, Scriptamanent… that’s what you get when you graft a population indoctrinated with a “victim” mentality, with the strong narcissistic tendencies we have now. Basically, a nation of “victims” of themselves.

July 30th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
scriptamanent
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Well, you can understand the “blame USA first” in Europe. It has been decades of propaganda from the Soviet Bloc, working inside democracies through the communist parties and many other leftish organizations.

“Blame USA” is the scapegoat used by many Europeans to prevent them from reflecting on all the things that they, Europeans, have done, all their failures. The two World Wars originated in Europe. The most criminal ideologies of the 20th century (communism, nazism, fascism) were European. The colonization of Africa with all the negative consequences that it might have had for its development later was also an European enterprise. Even when people talk about the way Americans colonized the continent and destroyed the Indians, they don’t realize that they were Europeans at that time.

We can criticize USA when they make mistakes, as well as praise them when they do good things. But the “Blame USA first” feeling is irrational, because it criticizes USA for everything, no matter what they do, no matter what way they do it.

But why some Americans have adopted that idea and that language is difficult to understand. The “Blame USA first” is the language of the enemy. Why do many Americans adopt the language of the people that have wanted the destruction of freedom and capitalism (USA) for decades?

Anybody can tell you that you are guilty, but you don’t have to believe it!!!

July 31st, 2008 at 1:49 am
Leah
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Mike and bigpapa:

I’d like to add one more quote from the link you two posted.

In his latest memoir he [Obama] shares that he’d like to “recast” the welfare net that FDR and LBJ cast while rolling back what he derisively calls the “winner-take-all” market economy that Ronald Reagan reignited (with record gains in living standards for all).

I find it funny that candidate Hussein is bringing back the “welfare net” that Reagan saved us from. FDR’s New Deal didn’t help get us out of the Great Depression in the 1930s, and similar policies aren’t going to save the economy now. And it’s even funnier that those brainwashed cannot see this.

July 31st, 2008 at 2:18 am
Buzz
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but don’t think anyone ran as a pro-Bush candidate.

Here’s a simple question: So what? I thought the whole point of the left was about America’s standing in the world and not Bush’s. I don’t give a damn if the leader of a foreign nation is pro-Bush or not. Its a non-issue. And it was a nice little attempt at a goalpost shift. Bush is gone in 6 months. But there just needs to be that belief that W has just utterly destroyed America’s standing in the world and only He who shall not be middlenamed can repair it. Well if only a simple shift of leadership is all that will take to repair America’s image maybe its not as damaged as people want to claim.

BTW, why in the fuck should we care about what the rest of the world thinks of us? And why should we be bending over backwards to cater to their whims and be the ones to adjust ourselves to make them happy? Why don’t they go and adjust themselves to improve our opinion of them? Americans are descendants of people of those countries that said “God this place blows, let’s move to a better place.”

July 31st, 2008 at 6:12 am
Dave Noble
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Suek,

Actually my rough estimate is that approximately ¼ of the countries sampled were Muslim countries.

But what if the majority of those countries are Muslim? There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world. I guess if you want the new Crusades, we can declare war on Islam. We should care what Muslims think of us because that is where AQ recruits.

Mike,

The Pew Global Project carefully surveys 47 countries in North and South America, Europe, Africa, Russia, the Middle East, and Asia and you cherry pick 3 countries. That speaks for itself.
Any evidence will suffice, if you have already decided on the answer.

Mata,

“Empty suit.” You and others seem to love that catch phrase. Please define it.

July 31st, 2008 at 7:34 am
Arthurstone
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Harley typed:

Well, Scriptamanent… that’s what you get when you graft a population indoctrinated with a “victim” mentality, with the strong narcissistic tendencies we have now. Basically, a nation of “victims” of themselves.

Exactly. And they’re best known as ‘Conservatives’.

Victims of ’social engineering’ and governmental ‘intrusion’.

Aching over the ‘loss’ of our values and yearning for the good old days where everyone knew their place.

Frightened of the world and everyone in it who isn’t exactly like themselves.

Fearful of change and new ideas.

You get the point.

An aside.

‘Narcissism’ is nothing new in the American psyche. It isn’t something ‘we have now’.

Always did.

Racial ’superiority’.

‘Manifest destiny’.

‘American exceptionalism’.

July 31st, 2008 at 7:35 am
bigpapa
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Arthurstupid said,
“Exactly. And they’re best known as ‘Conservatives’.

Victims of ’social engineering’ and governmental ‘intrusion’.”

You must be high…
You describe the majority of the welfare/entitlement people in this country and then call them conservative??

Less government and more personal responsibility is what we need..
But then you socialists don’t like that do you???

July 31st, 2008 at 10:27 am
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Big Papa: I found this video by Penn and Teller on the petition to ban water… Hippies signed in droves?

Scriptament: You are so right. Like the left in this country Europeans would rather “blame America” than face up to their own sorry history. I don’t know why anyone would want to emulate a continent which has started more wars with millions killed.

Leah: You noticed that Obama wants to talk like Reagan. But it’s the style he is looking for. He’s totally ignored the substance which was the key to Reagan’s success. The same issue came up when Obama tried to mislead people about talking with no preconditions to Iran. He said Reagan talked to the Soviets while totally ignoring the preconditions and the massive buildup of our military. Obama would the opposite. No “peace through strength” with Obama that is for sure.

July 31st, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Arthurstone
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bigpapa typed:

Arthurstupid said,
“Exactly. And they’re best known as ‘Conservatives’.

Victims of ’social engineering’ and governmental ‘intrusion’.”

Come on admit it.

Someone helped you with ‘Arthurstupid’ didn’t they?

Actually I was thinking more of the thousands upon of thousands of white middle class ‘victims’ of ‘reverse discrimination’ via affirmative action programs and those millions of kids trying to make their way through an educational system with ‘God removed from the classroom’.

July 31st, 2008 at 1:19 pm
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This is one of the few, if ever instances I will address Arthurstone..

‘Narcissism’ is nothing new in the American psyche. It isn’t something ‘we have now’.

My parents are the WWII generation. These is nothing narcissistic about them, or that generation. They know sacrifice, loss, pride in country and humility. They worked for what they had, and took pride in what they earned. They did not feel entitled, nor request welfare programs from cradle to grave.

As far as I’m concerned, the generations of America have gone steadily downhill from there… including (and perhaps most especially) my own baby boomer generation. We made great music, but really suck at governing the country. It was my generation that started us on the road to deplorable public education indoctrination. We took the “love the one you’re with” and “why don’t we do it in the road” mentality, and injected it into our politics and culture… where it has festered and become an out of control monster.

By striving to be “all tolerant”, we have come to stand for nothing. To have a sense of morality, one actually must recognize lines between what is perceived as good, and not good. Those lines are now all but erased in the interest not to “offend”.

We are all consumed with being “loved” by the int’l community. Yet we never were. “The Ugly American” goes back decades. Instead we have so little sense of self – our favorite subject – anymore that we can only judge ourselves thru another’s eyes. And our perception of that comes from what the media writes… not personal experiences.

We are, as I said before “victims” of ourselves. And I, personally, take no pride in it.

July 31st, 2008 at 1:24 pm
bigpapa
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Arthur,,,

Surely you aren’t telling me “what I meant to say was” ??????
Are you?????
I thought you always posted exactly what you meant and expected everyone else to do the same??
.
BTW,,, the is no such thing as “reverse discrimination”,,, it’s just discrimination…

And no,,, I thunked up the stupid part all by myself!! aren’t you proud of me??

July 31st, 2008 at 1:30 pm
yonason
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Well said, MataHarley! Well said!

July 31st, 2008 at 1:49 pm
DW 5000
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Arthur,,,

Surely you aren’t telling me “what I meant to say was” ??????
Are you?????
I thought you always posted exactly what you meant and expected everyone else to do the same??

Heh. I love the way you take your own inability to understand and spin it into somebody else’s inability to communicate. He was restating his ideas for simpletons so you’d finally have a fighting chance at getting something right. Alas, such was not to be. At least he tried.

P.S.: could you please work in some more commas? I haven’t received my RDA yet.

July 31st, 2008 at 2:21 pm
wordsmith
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Fit Fit and Dave Noble usually add something to a debate; Arthurstone seldom (if ever) does.

I readily agree these leaders are more pro-American, but don’t think anyone ran as a pro-Bush candidate.

Aren’t Sarkozy and Berlusconi openly, admittedly, and unapologetically “pro-Bush”?

scriptament wrote:

I just read “The Anti-American obsession”, which I recommend for all American readers and particularly for leftish European readers.

Ah….Revel!

God bless you scriptament!

July 31st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Arthurstone
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MataHarley typed:

‘This is one of the few, if ever instances I will address Arthurstone..’

And he’s honored indeed.

She continued:

‘My parents are the WWII generation. These is nothing narcissistic about them, or that generation. They know sacrifice, loss, pride in country and humility. They worked for what they had, and took pride in what they earned. They did not feel entitled, nor request welfare programs from cradle to grave.’

My parents are of that generation as well. My father is a decorated WWII veteran who has voted Democratic his entire life, opposed the wars in Korea, Vietnam (one of the better examples of American narcissism run amok), Afghanistan & Iraq. But here he’s a traitor. Likewise my parents (Mother grew up extremely poor in East Texas) did not ‘feel entitled’, ‘nor request welfare programs…’ but they perfectly aware others were not so fortunate as they and whether for reasons of health, racial discrimination etc. gov’t programs to assist were and remain a worthwhile investment.

She added:

‘As far as I’m concerned, the generations of America have gone steadily downhill from there… including (and perhaps most especially) my own baby boomer generation. We made great music, but really suck at governing the country. It was my generation that started us on the road to deplorable public education indoctrination. We took the “love the one you’re with” and “why don’t we do it in the road” mentality, and injected it into our politics and culture… where it has festered and become an out of control monster.’

Except they haven’t gone steadily downhill at all. Women have entered the work force in huge numbers. Important civil rights legislation was enacted. More people attend college. Life spans have lengthened. And on and on. Workplace safety has improved. By any standard this is a better place than it was sixty years ago.

‘By striving to be “all tolerant”, we have come to stand for nothing. To have a sense of morality, one actually must recognize lines between what is perceived as good, and not good. Those lines are now all but erased in the interest not to “offend”.’

Nonsense. A dose of respect for people with skin a different color, speakers of different languages, sensitivity to others is a good thing. Did you sleep through kindergarden?

She added:

‘We are all consumed with being “loved” by the int’l community. Yet we never were. “The Ugly American” goes back decades. Instead we have so little sense of self – our favorite subject – anymore that we can only judge ourselves thru another’s eyes. And our perception of that comes from what the media writes… not personal experiences.’

The ugly American does indeed go back decades. Manifest Destiny, American Exceptionalism, The nasty habit of the good old US of A presuming to decide for folks all over the globe just what’s best for them. Far from being consumed wanting to be loved by the int’l community we have ignored since the beginning of the nation what others thought of us. If we’ve been consumed by anything it’s by the idea we as Americans are *better* than the rest of the world.

And it turns out that ain’t so.

July 31st, 2008 at 3:07 pm
bigpapa
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Hey DW,,,
nice to see you’ve pulled your head out of your A$$ to come out and play,,,

I seem to recall a post where dear Arthur whined about me restating something that wasn’t specific enough for his/her likes,,,,,,

But,,,,, I am so happy to have you here to explain things for me since I’m so simple…

Thank you,,,, thank you,,,, you are a prince..

July 31st, 2008 at 3:45 pm
scriptamanent
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Here in Europe, many people show an irrational hate for USA. Particularly in Spain, the left reaches ridiculous levels, while at the same time they worship dictators as Castro. We Europeans are so good, we are so condescending with those rude Americans, our culture is so bright compared to theirs…

But, at the same time…

Most of the movies that are shown on theaters are American. Spanish actors are usually very critic with USA, but they would die for working in Hollywood. Javier Bardem participated in many demonstrations against USA, Bush and the war in Iraq, but then he went running to get the Oscar the Americans gave him.

Seven out of the ten best selling books any week in Spain, are American.

Most of the TV movies and TV series that are shown on Spanish TV are American. Most of the TV shows, contests, realities… are copied from American TV.

The NBA is shown and followed regularly on TV, and not because Gasol is playing in the Lakers.

Every piece of cultural manifestation in USA has the strongest echo here, the last art exhibition in NY, or musicals in Broadway.

As of today, USA is not only the most important power military, but also technologically, economically and CULTURALLY. All over the world people are consuming, imitating, copying the American culture.

Dear American lefties, don’t listen to what we, Europeans, SAY. Look at what we DO. If we are imitating USA, if we want to be like you, maybe USA is not that bad.

July 31st, 2008 at 5:18 pm
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Exemplary personification of what Scriptamanent was talking about, Arthur. We’ll work backwards.

If we’ve been consumed by anything it’s by the idea we as Americans are *better* than the rest of the world.

And it turns out that ain’t so.

We did not think we were better than the rest of the world in the prior generations. We thought we *had* it better than the rest of the world with opportunities here, not available elsewhere. And that *is* so and, for now, remains that way.

But the “gimme” generation has managed to take that positive aspect of Americans “having it better”, and today morphed it into your bizarre negative loathing of self and nation.

But I’ll have to disagree with your analysis that we feel superior. Hatred and embarrassment of self and country is contradictory to feeling superior.

How did we get to that self-loathing? Skipping to the first point now:

…but they [were] perfectly aware others were not so fortunate as they and whether for reasons of health, racial discrimination etc. gov’t programs to assist were and remain a worthwhile investment.

The WWII generation was caring, generous and charitable. They raised the boomer generation, determined that we (their children) would never have to experience what they went thru.

By trying to give us everything, they inadvertently raised the first generation of spoiled, self-centered brats. We took our parents’ charitable characteristics and created govt mandated charity for every cause that tugged at our heartstrings.

The govt charity, of course, backfired mightily. It led to extreme govt waste with little of those charitable benefits getting to the recipients. None of the older generation I cherish supports govt charity where most is skimmed off the top. That’s not what they had in mind when they bought into giving a helping hand. They wanted to help… not support for life.

Nor did they intend to create a society where you could become “too” rich, or “too” successful…. or, for that matter, a society where a lazy sense of entitled kids would rather live off govt programs than strive for excellence.

By trying to equalize society and material possessions amongst the population, you strip all desire to excel from the individual… because excellence no longer exists. We become homogenous…. made up of givers and takers. Until the givers stop generating enough to give and just become takers themselves, that is.

The plethora of govt charity (agreed to in good faith for intent) has led to generations with embedded beliefs that the “haves” have too much, and the “wants” should have dividends doled out by what the govt takes from the “haves”. i.e. an increasing trend towards socialism.

To that end, we fostered increasing resentment for those with wealth, and nurtured a contentment with what we could afford by walking to the mailbox and pulling out a govt check.

Mata: We took the “love the one you’re with” and “why don’t we do it in the road” mentality, and injected it into our politics and culture… where it has festered and become an out of control monster.’

Arthur: Except they haven’t gone steadily downhill at all. Women have entered the work force in huge numbers. Important civil rights legislation was enacted. More people attend college. Life spans have lengthened. And on and on. Workplace safety has improved. By any standard this is a better place than it was sixty years ago.

Veered way off topic there, Arthur. This is about societal attitudes. Not our undeniable advances in medical, technology and civil rights during the decades. We are, and should be, proud of all. Then again, it’s happened while “excel” was still respected and desireable. With those advance came rewards… financial. Strip that away, and those advances will slow, if not stop.

But first a correction: women *re entered* the work force, and by choice. Rosie Riveters held this country together during the war, so they were no strangers to working. They returned home after the war to raise families and start suburbs.

When career women became an emerging trend.. oddly enough around the same time divorces became easy and acceptable by society, marriage less revered, and “love the one you’re with” a 60’s mantra taken to heart … equal rights in the workforce was addressed. A good thing.

However none of these advances has anything to do with increasing narcissism and self-entitlement of the American society. Remember the womens’ rights and work started in the 50-60s. It was still cool to excel then…

Colleges, of which there are more now than then, life spans, work conditions etc etc … all these advances have nothing to do with my point that Americans in the past half century have degenerated into a “gimme gimme” society, demanding entitlements, and wealth redistribution as the answer to a nations’ flaws.

Which brings us again to your final words, which best illustrate all of what Scriptamanent said:

If we’ve been consumed by anything it’s by the idea we as Americans are *better* than the rest of the world.

And it turns out that ain’t so.

Your perception of Americans believing “we are better” – as opposed to earlier generations recognizing we “have it better” – is the perfect example of being the “victims of ourselves” after generations of teaching a homogenous society is better than a society of spectrums.

When wealth distribution didn’t completely take over our capitalistic society in these decades, the socialists decided we didn’t have it so good afterall…. thus the self-loathing they have indoctrinated thru our schools. Big oil, which gave us our industrial growth and technological advances, is now a dirty word. Big business – which used to be a sign of success – is now considered a pariah.

Today we demonize the wealthy and successful. Instead of being thrilled and inspired by success, we became a nation that criticizes excellence and it’s rewards if it means there are those still in need.

Today, you are indicative of a society that asks for the ultimate trade off – lower/tax the excellent, and raise/give to the less than mediocre. In this way, we’ll create a homogenous nation of nothing outstanding or excellent. In this way, you believe we can stop the self-loathing, and not be embarrassed by American success stories.

So it surprises me not that you’d of course say “it turns out that ain’t so”… thus confirming the blame America mentality – all based on an extreme negative narcissism. Or, “victims of ourselves”.

July 31st, 2008 at 6:35 pm
scriptamanent
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“We are better than the rest of the world”.

Believe me, Arthurstone, that could be signed by a French or a Spaniard. The difference is that they have less reasons to say it than Americans.

I live and work in California. During these years I have not seen around me (friends, work partners, people in general) a feeling of superiority towards Europeans. I have seen a feeling of pride for being American. Both things are compatible. I am proud of being Spanish, and at the same time I am able to recognize the many good things of other countries and the things that my country needs to improve.

But you won’t believe this. Many Europeans, particularly Spaniards (and also French), really think that they are better than the rest of the world, particularly better than Americans. The guys that organized two world wars, the same guys that organized communism or nazism, the guys that in the last Kosovo war didn’t know what to do and in fact didn’t do anything until Clinton brought American soldiers to die in Europe (one more time) and solved the problem (by the way, without a resolution of the UN, like in Iraq). The same guys that, when there is a problem, talk and talk and wait to see what USA does, and then criticize them if things go wrong. Those European guys, us, think that we are better than the rest of the world, particularly better than Americans, rude cowboys and farmers.

Of course, none of those Europeans have gone to USA, because those ideas are based on prejudice.

So, Arthurstone, this how it works: Europeans that have never been to USA accuse you of being “imperialistic” (it’s amazing how this relic from the soviet propaganda still works), and accuse the regular American of being arrogant and with a feeling of superiority. But, believe me, that is not what I see around in California. It is not what I see among my students of High School, among my fellow teachers.

Ergo, DON’T BELIEVE THEM just because they say that, don’t accept the language of the enemy.

Now, if you come to Spain or France and I guess many other European countries and you stay long enough to watch and read news and overhear conversations on the bus or the subway… you will find out that…

- The American Educational system is very bad and ours is much better.
- The American Medical system is only for wealthy people and poor people die and our “social security” is much better.
- The American Intelligence Services are a bunch of incompetents that make a lot of mistakes.
- The American society is very violent and all the arms they have cause a lot of deaths. Our societies are more civilized.
- The Judicial system is bad, because it only protects the wealthy people.
- It is a very poor democracy and the election system is very defective (the only country that has been a democracy from birth).
- The 2002 election Gore-Bush was a coup-d’état.
-Bush is a dumb cowboy and Reagan was a series B actor. Both incompetent what reveal the level of the people that elected them.

And on, and on, and on… Believe me, it is really difficult to listen GOOD things about USA here in Europe. It’s true that most of those critics come from the lefties, the same ones that worship Castro, and they are based on prejudice, but at the same time they have permeated among many people without clear political ideas.

I don’t see similar opinions among Americans regarding Europe.

So, who do you think are the ones who feel superior?

July 31st, 2008 at 7:44 pm
DW 5000
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(it’s amazing how this relic from the soviet propaganda still works)

Speaking of Soviet-era relics, let me introduce you to Mike Hussein’s America and His Dancing Soviet Flag of Anachronistic Attack.

accuse the regular American of being arrogant and with a feeling of superiority. But, believe me, that is not what I see around in California.

It would seem that you have not spent much time at Flopping Aces, though, because this is Jingoism Central.

July 31st, 2008 at 8:28 pm
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You really are a legend in your own mind aren’t you comrade Dim Wit?

You’re denial of the ties of the left to a failed neosocialist/Marxist ideology only confirms the point!

Now go inflate your tires you oaf!

July 31st, 2008 at 9:17 pm
scriptamanent
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the ties of the left to a failed neosocialist/Marxist ideology

That is so TRUE, Mike, particularly here in Europe.

When the Soviet Bloc collapsed in 1989 and Socialism bit the dust, the left parties in the democracies were shocked for some time, but they managed to keep the same old rhetoric, although completely detached from reality now. If you ask a socialist what does it mean to be a socialist, he will probably mumble things like progress, social justice, peace and the same old rhetoric, but he won’t really be able to define his political position precisely. They are usually fed with propaganda, not with truth, and socialist leaders tend to despise their supporters and address them like idiots. Does it really matter that in socialist economies unemployment increases and people is poorer, like in Spain now? No, because socialists stand for progress, and social justice, and bla, bla, bla.

But reality has never been a problem for the left, since they openly disregard it. The “Socialist Dream” was a nightmare and they had to build a wall to prevent people from escaping. What do lefties think about that? No problem: the ideas supporting those criminal regimes were and are still good (social justice, progress, peace…), but the “application” was not right. And that means that they will try to apply them again in the future.

It’s not simply ties, Mike. I think is basically the same dog with different ropes.

August 1st, 2008 at 2:46 am
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Dave Noble #35

Mata,

“Empty suit.” You and others seem to love that catch phrase. Please define it.

Sorry for the delay…. playing catch up inbetween work here.

Since the expression, “empty suit” has been around in the good ol’ US since the 60s, I’m surprised you either don’t know it’s meaning, or think it’s some sort of new phrase.

Empty suit is usually applied to business executives or politicians that are ineffectual blowhards with puffed up egos, or a bureaucrat lacking substance and individuality. i.e., a phoney. Or perhaps a waste of time, undeserving of attention. Take your pick. When it comes to BHO, they’re all applicable.

In the 60s hippies/commune heyday, it was used for those living capitalist conformisting lifestyles, and not embracing semi-Marxist theology. Or, basically, “the establishment”… another popular expression of that era.

So it’s an oldie but goodie catch phrase that’s appropriate even today.

August 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Arthurstone
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Mataharley-

Well done.

Marxist thought control and collectivism has led us to wrack and ruin.

Again.

As those platitudes and generalizations you repeat about the “‘WWII’ generation” & ‘baby boomers’ & ‘leftists’ bring you such comfort far be it from me to attempt and persuade you of their imprecision and general uselessness.

Here’s a particular favorite:

‘Today we demonize the wealthy and successful.’

Not where I live. Here Costco, Microsoft and Starbucks millionaires are held in high regard. have you cracked a Vanity Fair or NY Times Sunday Magazine lately? The ‘demonization’ could easily be confused with adoration in my opinion. At the very least there is an endless fascination with ‘the wealthy and successful’ and and endless effort to become one of that crwd.

And just who is this *we*?

A quick question. Did your crowd warn against beginning down that slippery slope of socialism before or after they took advantage of the The Servicemen’s Readjustment Act of 1944, known as the GI Bill?

Scriptament-

Sorry to read you teach high school.

Hope you don’t cover history, civics or current events.

August 1st, 2008 at 3:20 pm
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…..far be it from me to attempt and persuade you of their imprecision and general uselessness.

How odd… as the King of imprecision and general uselessness, Arthur, it’s really the only place you excel. You’d find imprecision in a finely tuned Mercedes engine because that’s who you are and how you think. You’ll find a plug gapped with a nuance of difference than recommended, stand back with pride and say, “see??” It’s because you are so anal, you can’t get cleanly or clearly to any given point of thought or time.

Thus my boredom with you… which runneth over time at the moment.

Marxist thought control and collectivism has led us to wrack and ruin.

Correction…..” has led is leading us to wrack and ruin”. With those such as you, doing more than your fair share.

Today we demonize the wealthy and successful.’

Not where I live.

Oh that’s a hoot… Seatlle, anti-WTO riots. Oh yeah.. they are truly the showcase of urban America – a population that loves big business. And of course Microsoft hasn’t been demonized, Rip Van Arthurstone. Not is the last few minutes, at least.

But I guess if you know a couple locals in the ‘hood that loves Starbucks and their success, or hasn’t muttered obscenities today for any MS software and complained about monopoly, I guess you figure you can ignore the rest of the “big oil” and “big business” and “evil corporation” stuff.

A quick question. Did your crowd warn against beginning down that slippery slope of socialism before or after they took advantage of the The Servicemen’s Readjustment Act of 1944, known as the GI Bill?

Since you suffer from a reading disability… I’ll repeat

The govt charity, of course, backfired mightily. It led to extreme govt waste with little of those charitable benefits getting to the recipients. None of the older generation I cherish supports govt charity where most is skimmed off the top. That’s not what they had in mind when they bought into giving a helping hand. They wanted to help… not support for life.

Govt programs created in good faith were not immediately riddled with corruption. Corruption occurs over time. All socialist policies look and sound good at the onset. Otherwise socialism/Marxism wouldn’t be a threat. If sin weren’t so dang much fun, everyone would be happy to be pious.

I did not discuss any particular govt program, but an observable societal trend. Nor will I be discussing any of the ga-zillion govt programs with you. Frankly, I’m way over quota with tolerance of you already. You’re still boring, and as predictable as a morning dump.

So you can go back to the usual, and address your utterings to others who give a rats arse about what you have to say. I dabbled for awhile, and confirmed it’s as uninteresting as ever. Getting into your head is so unpleasant because of where it resides in your lower orifice…

Ta ta

August 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pm
scriptamanent
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I teach Spanish, Arthurstone. I am from Spain.

Don’t worry about history, civics or current events. Some of those teachers have posters of Che Guevara in the room, or a Palestinian kid throwing stones to an Israeli tank with the word “Apartheid” on it. I have read some essays of 12th graders posted on some classes, insulting Bush and “his war”. Obviously, with the consent of the teacher and I presume with the influence of the teacher, visible for parents when they come for Open Night. All this is absolutely true.

What respect for his students and for himself can an American teacher have when he posts Che Guevara as a model on the walls of the room. Not Reagan, but the dumbass criminal Ernesto Che Guevara.

I don’t understand those American democrats.

Probably you know that the California Teacher Association was asking teachers to vote for Democrats. So, don’t worry, Arthurstone, the leftish ideology is properly covered in schools, (and I cannot vote in USA).

BTW, is Scriptamanent, not Scriptament. It’s a Latin expression, not uncommon: Verba volant, Scripta manent (Words fly away, but writings remain).

August 1st, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Arthurstone
 57Reply to this comment  

WTF??!!

WTO?

Are you kidding me? That is Seattle demonizing the *wealthy*? What a lazy thinker you are.

But I digress.

I asked:

A quick question. Did your crowd warn against beginning down that slippery slope of socialism before or after they took advantage of the The Servicemen’s Readjustment Act of 1944, known as the GI Bill?

Mataharley deigned to answer:

Since you suffer from a reading disability… I’ll repeat

‘ The govt charity, of course, backfired mightily. It led to extreme govt waste with little of those charitable benefits getting to the recipients. None of the older generation I cherish supports govt charity where most is skimmed off the top. That’s not what they had in mind when they bought into giving a helping hand. They wanted to help… not support for life.’

I’ll take that as a no.

But of course *no one* “Wants” ‘gov’t charity where most is skimmed off the top’, which is why such a situation doesn’t exist. And of course even you know RR’s welfare queen in a cadillac is a myth but seems to be one you can’t (won’t) turn loose of.

http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/901/Who-Receives-Benefits-AN-OVERVIEW-WELFARE-PROGRAM-PARTICIPATION.html

And before you get completely misty eyed about the generation you cherish, let me remind you of just what they were capable of:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/promos/wirepicks/story/425725.html

America in decline?

I don’t think so.

I think we’ve made some progress.

Oh and careful with the *arse* business. Sounds arrogant.

August 1st, 2008 at 4:56 pm

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