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]]> By: MataHarley http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/#comment-100529 MataHarley Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:13:35 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5965#comment-100529 John I agree with most all of your statements above. Some of the info is dated... ala the truce pacts with Baitulllah Mehsud have long since been breached, and they've done two more deals since then... both results in the release of inprisoned Taliban fighters. However there are some haps in the last couple weeks that I've archived, and am planning to post in the next day or so as an update. But yes... Obama and his naivety of the Taliban/AQ battle front that eminates from Pakistan and plays out in Afghanistan along the borders is a very dangerous man. Yet the anti-war movement in the US are silent on his "cowboy policy" for the arena. I also agree that while Musharraf is far from perfect, he has been the most effective bridge since 911. The coalition government, majority held by PPP and Nawaz's party, did not obtain power with a coup, but with the February election. Pakistanis have been consistent in voting down Islamic law and the more radical parties that want to implement that as State rule via elections and legislation. So if the militants of Islami do obtain power, it will not be for elections. However latest polls out of Pakistan (gawd, I hate polls.... but what the heck...) indicate that the PPP part has experienced a serious fall from favor in the eyes of the electorate. The highest popularity in that country now belongs to yet another dangerous man, and no friend of the US, Nawaz Sharif with over 80% popularity rating. Gilani is down around 3rd or 4th, and Zadari below him. Pakistan has been quite plain in putting BHO in his place since anouncing his "cowboy policy" in Aug of 2007. He didn't back down one bit while visiting Afghanistan, as I pointed out in the post above, riling the NWFP governor. But there are serious haps going on in Pakistan of late that are escaping the eyes of the media. No surprise there. Because none of these haps will end up playing in BHO's foreign policy favor. But I've said over and over to anyone who will listen... Pakistan will be the next POTUS' largest challenge. And BHO has proven he is not up to the task. John I agree with most all of your statements above. Some of the info is dated… ala the truce pacts with Baitulllah Mehsud have long since been breached, and they’ve done two more deals since then… both results in the release of inprisoned Taliban fighters.

However there are some haps in the last couple weeks that I’ve archived, and am planning to post in the next day or so as an update.

But yes… Obama and his naivety of the Taliban/AQ battle front that eminates from Pakistan and plays out in Afghanistan along the borders is a very dangerous man. Yet the anti-war movement in the US are silent on his “cowboy policy” for the arena.

I also agree that while Musharraf is far from perfect, he has been the most effective bridge since 911. The coalition government, majority held by PPP and Nawaz’s party, did not obtain power with a coup, but with the February election. Pakistanis have been consistent in voting down Islamic law and the more radical parties that want to implement that as State rule via elections and legislation. So if the militants of Islami do obtain power, it will not be for elections.

However latest polls out of Pakistan (gawd, I hate polls…. but what the heck…) indicate that the PPP part has experienced a serious fall from favor in the eyes of the electorate. The highest popularity in that country now belongs to yet another dangerous man, and no friend of the US, Nawaz Sharif with over 80% popularity rating. Gilani is down around 3rd or 4th, and Zadari below him.

Pakistan has been quite plain in putting BHO in his place since anouncing his “cowboy policy” in Aug of 2007. He didn’t back down one bit while visiting Afghanistan, as I pointed out in the post above, riling the NWFP governor.

But there are serious haps going on in Pakistan of late that are escaping the eyes of the media. No surprise there. Because none of these haps will end up playing in BHO’s foreign policy favor. But I’ve said over and over to anyone who will listen… Pakistan will be the next POTUS’ largest challenge. And BHO has proven he is not up to the task.

]]> By: John Maszka http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/#comment-100515 John Maszka Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:25:23 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5965#comment-100515 Senator Obama is a dangerous man. Moving the war on terror to Pakistan could have disastrous consequences on both the political stability in the region, and in the broader balance of power. Scholars such as Richard Betts accurately point out that beyond Iran or North Korea, “Pakistan may harbor the greatest potential danger of all.” With the current instability in Pakistan, Betts points to the danger that a pro-Taliban government would pose in a nuclear Pakistan. This is no minor point to be made. While the Shi’a in Iran are highly unlikely to proliferate WMD to their Sunni enemies, the Pakistanis harbor no such enmity toward Sunni terrorist organizations. Should a pro-Taliban or other similar type of government come to power in Pakistan, Al-Qaeda’s chances of gaining access to nuclear weapons would dramatically increase overnight. There are, of course, two sides to every argument; and this argument is no exception. On the one hand, some insist that American forces are needed in order to maintain political stability and to prevent such a government from rising to power. On the other hand, there are those who believe that a deliberate attack against Pakistan’s state sovereignty will only further enrage its radical population, and serve to radicalize its moderates. I offer the following in support of this latter argument: Pakistan has approximately 160 million people; better than half of the population of the entire Arab world. Pakistan also has some of the deepest underlying ethnic fissures in the region, which could lead to long-term disintegration of the state if exacerbated. Even with an impressive growth in GDP (second only to China in all of Asia), it could be decades before wide-spread poverty is alleviated and a stable middle class is established in Pakistan. Furthermore, the absence of a deeply embedded democratic system in Pakistan presents perhaps the greatest danger to stability. In this country, upon which the facade of democracy has been thrust by outside forces and the current regime came to power by coup, the army fulfills the role of “referee within the political boxing ring.” However, this referee demonstrates a “strong personal interest in the outcome of many of the fights and a strong tendency to make up the rules as he goes along.” The Pakistani army “also has a long record of either joining in the fight on one side or the other, or clubbing both boxers to the ground and taking the prize himself” (Lieven, 2006:43). Pakistan’s army is also unusually large. Thathiah Ravi (2006:119, 121) observes that the army has “outgrown its watchdog role to become the master of this nation state.” Ravi attributes America’s less than dependable alliance with Pakistan to the nature of its army. “Occasionally, it perceives the Pakistan Army as an inescapable ally and at other times as a threat to regional peace and [a] non-proliferation regime.” According to Ravi, India and Afghanistan blame the conflict in Kashmir and the Durand line on the Pakistan Army, accusing it of “inciting, abetting and encouraging terrorism from its soil.” Ravi also blames the “flagrant violations in nuclear proliferation by Pakistan, both as an originator and as a conduit for China and North Korea” on the Pakistan Army, because of its support for terrorists. The point to be made is that the stability of Pakistan depends upon maintaining the delicate balance of power both within the state of Pakistan, and in the broader region. Pakistan is not an island, it has alliances and enemies. Moving American troops into Pakistan will no doubt not only serve to radicalize its population and fuel the popular call for Jihad, it could also spark a proxy war with China that could have long-lasting economic repercussions. Focusing on the more immediate impact American troops would have on the Pakistani population; let’s consider a few past encounters: On January 13, 2006, the United States launched a missile strike on the village of Damadola, Pakistan. Rather than kill the targeted Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda’s deputy leader, the strike instead slaughtered 17 locals. This only served to further weaken the Musharraf government and further destabilize the entire area. In a nuclear state like Pakistan, this was not only unfortunate, it was outright stupid. On October 30, 2006, the Pakistani military, under pressure from the US, attacked a madrassah in the Northwest Frontier province in Pakistan. Immediately following the attack, local residents, convinced that the US military was behind the attack, burned American flags and effigies of President Bush, and shouted “Death to America!” Outraged over an attack on school children, the local residents viewed the attack as an assault against Islam. On November 7, 2006, a suicide bomber retaliated. Further outrage ensued when President Bush extended his condolences to the families of the victims of the suicide attack, and President Musharraf did the same, adding that terrorism will be eliminated “with an iron hand.” The point to be driven home is that the attack on the madrassah was kept as quiet as possible, while the suicide bombing was publicized as a tragedy, and one more reason to maintain the war on terror. Last year trouble escalated when the Pakistani government laid siege to the Red Mosque and more than 100 people were killed. “Even before his soldiers had overrun the Lal Masjid ... the retaliations began.” Suicide attacks originating from both Afghan Taliban and Pakistani tribal militants targeted military convoys and a police recruiting center. Guerrilla attacks that demonstrated a shocking degree of organization and speed-not to mention strategic cunning revealed that they were orchestrated by none other than al-Qaeda’s number two man, Ayman Al-Zawahiri; a fact confirmed by Pakistani and Taliban officials. One such attack occurred on July 15, 2007, when a suicide bomber killed 24 Pakistani troops and injured some 30 others in the village of Daznaray (20 miles to the north of Miran Shah, in North Waziristan). Musharraf ordered thousands of troops into the region to attempt to restore order. But radical groups swore to retaliate against the government for its siege of the mosque and its cooperation with the United States. A July 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) concludes that “al Qaeda is resurgent in Pakistan- and more centrally organized than it has been at any time since 9/11.” The NIE reports that al-Qaeda now enjoys sanctuary in Bajaur and North Waziristan, from which they operate “a complex command, control, training and recruitment base” with an “intact hierarchy of top leadership and operational lieutenants.” In September 2006 Musharraf signed a peace deal with Pashtun tribal elders in North Waziristan. The deal gave pro-Taliban militants full control of security in the area. Al Qaeda provides funding, training and ideological inspiration, while Afghan Taliban and Pakistani Tribal leaders supply the manpower. These forces are so strong that last year Musharraf sent well over 100,000 trained Pakistani soldiers against them, but they were not able to prevail against them. The question remains, what does America do when Pakistan no longer has a Musharraf to bridge the gap? While Musharraf claims that President Bush has assured him of Pakistan’s sovereignty, Senator Obama obviously has no intention of honoring such an assurance. As it is, the Pakistanis do just enough to avoid jeopardizing U.S. support. Musharraf, who is caught between Pakistan’s dependence on American aid and loyalty to the Pakistani people, denies being George Bush’s hand-puppet. Musharraf insists that he is “200 percent certain” that the United States will not unilaterally decide to attack terrorists on Pakistani soil. What happens when we begin to do just that? Senator Obama is a dangerous man. Moving the war on terror to Pakistan could have disastrous consequences on both the political stability in the region, and in the broader balance of power. Scholars such as Richard Betts accurately point out that beyond Iran or North Korea, “Pakistan may harbor the greatest potential danger of all.” With the current instability in Pakistan, Betts points to the danger that a pro-Taliban government would pose in a nuclear Pakistan. This is no minor point to be made. While the Shi’a in Iran are highly unlikely to proliferate WMD to their Sunni enemies, the Pakistanis harbor no such enmity toward Sunni terrorist organizations. Should a pro-Taliban or other similar type of government come to power in Pakistan, Al-Qaeda’s chances of gaining access to nuclear weapons would dramatically increase overnight.

There are, of course, two sides to every argument; and this argument is no exception. On the one hand, some insist that American forces are needed in order to maintain political stability and to prevent such a government from rising to power. On the other hand, there are those who believe that a deliberate attack against Pakistan’s state sovereignty will only further enrage its radical population, and serve to radicalize its moderates. I offer the following in support of this latter argument:

Pakistan has approximately 160 million people; better than half of the population of the entire Arab world. Pakistan also has some of the deepest underlying ethnic fissures in the region, which could lead to long-term disintegration of the state if exacerbated. Even with an impressive growth in GDP (second only to China in all of Asia), it could be decades before wide-spread poverty is alleviated and a stable middle class is established in Pakistan.

Furthermore, the absence of a deeply embedded democratic system in Pakistan presents perhaps the greatest danger to stability. In this country, upon which the facade of democracy has been thrust by outside forces and the current regime came to power by coup, the army fulfills the role of “referee within the political boxing ring.” However, this referee demonstrates a “strong personal interest in the outcome of many of the fights and a strong tendency to make up the rules as he goes along.” The Pakistani army “also has a long record of either joining in the fight on one side or the other, or clubbing both boxers to the ground and taking the prize himself” (Lieven, 2006:43).

Pakistan’s army is also unusually large. Thathiah Ravi (2006:119, 121) observes that the army has “outgrown its watchdog role to become the master of this nation state.” Ravi attributes America’s less than dependable alliance with Pakistan to the nature of its army. “Occasionally, it perceives the Pakistan Army as an inescapable ally and at other times as a threat to regional peace and [a] non-proliferation regime.” According to Ravi, India and Afghanistan blame the conflict in Kashmir and the Durand line on the Pakistan Army, accusing it of “inciting, abetting and encouraging terrorism from its soil.” Ravi also blames the “flagrant violations in nuclear proliferation by Pakistan, both as an originator and as a conduit for China and North Korea” on the Pakistan Army, because of its support for terrorists.

The point to be made is that the stability of Pakistan depends upon maintaining the delicate balance of power both within the state of Pakistan, and in the broader region. Pakistan is not an island, it has alliances and enemies. Moving American troops into Pakistan will no doubt not only serve to radicalize its population and fuel the popular call for Jihad, it could also spark a proxy war with China that could have long-lasting economic repercussions. Focusing on the more immediate impact American troops would have on the Pakistani population; let’s consider a few past encounters:

On January 13, 2006, the United States launched a missile strike on the village of Damadola, Pakistan. Rather than kill the targeted Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda’s deputy leader, the strike instead slaughtered 17 locals. This only served to further weaken the Musharraf government and further destabilize the entire area. In a nuclear state like Pakistan, this was not only unfortunate, it was outright stupid.

On October 30, 2006, the Pakistani military, under pressure from the US, attacked a madrassah in the Northwest Frontier province in Pakistan. Immediately following the attack, local residents, convinced that the US military was behind the attack, burned American flags and effigies of President Bush, and shouted “Death to America!” Outraged over an attack on school children, the local residents viewed the attack as an assault against Islam.
On November 7, 2006, a suicide bomber retaliated. Further outrage ensued when President Bush extended his condolences to the families of the victims of the suicide attack, and President Musharraf did the same, adding that terrorism will be eliminated “with an iron hand.” The point to be driven home is that the attack on the madrassah was kept as quiet as possible, while the suicide bombing was publicized as a tragedy, and one more reason to maintain the war on terror.

Last year trouble escalated when the Pakistani government laid siege to the Red Mosque and more than 100 people were killed. “Even before his soldiers had overrun the Lal Masjid … the retaliations began.” Suicide attacks originating from both Afghan Taliban and Pakistani tribal militants targeted military convoys and a police recruiting center. Guerrilla attacks that demonstrated a shocking degree of organization and speed-not to mention strategic cunning revealed that they were orchestrated by none other than al-Qaeda’s number two man, Ayman Al-Zawahiri; a fact confirmed by Pakistani and Taliban officials. One such attack occurred on July 15, 2007, when a suicide bomber killed 24 Pakistani troops and injured some 30 others in the village of Daznaray (20 miles to the north of Miran Shah, in North Waziristan). Musharraf ordered thousands of troops into the region to attempt to restore order. But radical groups swore to retaliate against the government for its siege of the mosque and its cooperation with the United States.

A July 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) concludes that “al Qaeda is resurgent in Pakistan- and more centrally organized than it has been at any time since 9/11.” The NIE reports that al-Qaeda now enjoys sanctuary in Bajaur and North Waziristan, from which they operate “a complex command, control, training and recruitment base” with an “intact hierarchy of top leadership and operational lieutenants.”

In September 2006 Musharraf signed a peace deal with Pashtun tribal elders in North Waziristan. The deal gave pro-Taliban militants full control of security in the area. Al Qaeda provides funding, training and ideological inspiration, while Afghan Taliban and Pakistani Tribal leaders supply the manpower. These forces are so strong that last year Musharraf sent well over 100,000 trained Pakistani soldiers against them, but they were not able to prevail against them.

The question remains, what does America do when Pakistan no longer has a Musharraf to bridge the gap? While Musharraf claims that President Bush has assured him of Pakistan’s sovereignty, Senator Obama obviously has no intention of honoring such an assurance. As it is, the Pakistanis do just enough to avoid jeopardizing U.S. support. Musharraf, who is caught between Pakistan’s dependence on American aid and loyalty to the Pakistani people, denies being George Bush’s hand-puppet. Musharraf insists that he is “200 percent certain” that the United States will not unilaterally decide to attack terrorists on Pakistani soil. What happens when we begin to do just that?

]]> By: bigpapa http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/#comment-100135 bigpapa Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:19:57 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5965#comment-100135 "It’s unfortunate to see that you live in mortal fear of Venezuela and Cuba. Just so you know: they’re not much of a threat. As I’ve mentioned at this site before, wingnuts seem to be lost if they don’t have anything to live in terror of." DW,,, you are such a simpleton... I gave you those links so you could view the results of communism/socialism.. and their stated goals as it applies to this (USA) country.. I don't live in fear of anyone or anything... I want what is best for this country and my child... I'm not joking about this stuff,, it's real and current... unfortunately I did read your posts... That's how I know what an idiot, liberal socialist wannabe you are... Fortunately for you the newest form of anti-capatilism is the "green" movement ... started by the same dope smoking commie hippies from the 60's.. It's supported by communists just like the muslims are supported by the commies.... But many otherwise intelligent people jump on that tired old bandwagon. You can try to taunt me,,, that's fine... it just shows you really have no facts to back up your "argument"... One last thing.,, do you understand the difference between the "Soviet Union" and Russia???? Obviously you don't,,, the Soviet UNION was the conglomeration of countries forced to live under communist rule,,, Russia is a country that existed before WWII and after the fall of the Berlin wall. So,,, oh foolish one,, the "Soviet Union" no longer exists but Russia and their communist masters most certainly do... you freaking moron... “It’s unfortunate to see that you live in mortal fear of Venezuela and Cuba. Just so you know: they’re not much of a threat. As I’ve mentioned at this site before, wingnuts seem to be lost if they don’t have anything to live in terror of.”

DW,,, you are such a simpleton… I gave you those links so you could view the results of communism/socialism.. and their stated goals as it applies to this (USA) country..

I don’t live in fear of anyone or anything…
I want what is best for this country and my child…

I’m not joking about this stuff,, it’s real and current… unfortunately I did read your posts…
That’s how I know what an idiot, liberal socialist wannabe you are…

Fortunately for you the newest form of anti-capatilism is the “green” movement … started by the same dope smoking commie hippies from the 60’s..
It’s supported by communists just like the muslims are supported by the commies….
But many otherwise intelligent people jump on that tired old bandwagon.

You can try to taunt me,,, that’s fine… it just shows you really have no facts to back up your “argument”…

One last thing.,, do you understand the difference between the “Soviet Union” and Russia????
Obviously you don’t,,, the Soviet UNION was the conglomeration of countries forced to live under communist rule,,, Russia is a country that existed before WWII and after the fall of the Berlin wall.

So,,, oh foolish one,, the “Soviet Union” no longer exists but Russia and their communist masters most certainly do… you freaking moron…

]]> By: Mike's America http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/#comment-100128 Mike's America Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:31:45 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5965#comment-100128 If anyone is "foolish" here it's you Dim Wit. You're a watermelon through and through: Green on the outside, red on the inside. Now, why don't you just go put on a record and practice that singing. <img src="http://weblogs.elearning.ubc.ca/ross/archives/PLP.jpg"/> If anyone is “foolish” here it’s you Dim Wit.

You’re a watermelon through and through:

Green on the outside, red on the inside.

Now, why don’t you just go put on a record and practice that singing.

]]> By: DW 5000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/#comment-100114 DW 5000 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:37:18 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5965#comment-100114 Please tell me that you're joking (emphasis mine): <blockquote> Communist Goals (1963) Documention below Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 <B>January 10, 1963</B> Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES <B>Thursday, January 10, 1963</B> </blockquote> And please tell me that you're joking again (emphasis still mine): <blockquote> I’m not now nor have I ever been afraid of the Soviet Union… <B>which you should note no longer exists</B>… </blockquote> Did you even <I>read</I> my posts, in the course of which I already made that point more than once? A point which, frankly, makes your posts seem foolish? It's unfortunate to see that you live in mortal fear of Venezuela and Cuba. Just so you know: they're not much of a threat. As I've mentioned at this site before, wingnuts seem to be lost if they don't have anything to live in terror of. Please tell me that you’re joking (emphasis mine):

Communist Goals (1963)

Documention below

Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35

January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963

And please tell me that you’re joking again (emphasis still mine):

I’m not now nor have I ever been afraid of the Soviet Union… which you should note no longer exists…

Did you even read my posts, in the course of which I already made that point more than once? A point which, frankly, makes your posts seem foolish?

It’s unfortunate to see that you live in mortal fear of Venezuela and Cuba. Just so you know: they’re not much of a threat. As I’ve mentioned at this site before, wingnuts seem to be lost if they don’t have anything to live in terror of.

]]> By: bigpapa http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/#comment-100107 bigpapa Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:59:07 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5965#comment-100107 Here are a couple of links for you DW... Communism isn't dead,,, thanks to people like you.. http://therealcuba.com/index.htm http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm There are many, many more... You can use the beloved commie google to find them.. Just a primer for you.. I'm not now nor have I ever been afraid of the Soviet Union... which you should note no longer exists... I was a cold warrior and we won.. Reagan made sure of that.... Your dinosaur reference was just plain childish.. like all libs you have to turn to name calling and childish remarks... You and BO could be birds of a feather.... Here are a couple of links for you DW…
Communism isn’t dead,,, thanks to people like you..

http://therealcuba.com/index.htm

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

There are many, many more…

You can use the beloved commie google to find them..

Just a primer for you..

I’m not now nor have I ever been afraid of the Soviet Union… which you should note no longer exists…
I was a cold warrior and we won.. Reagan made sure of that….

Your dinosaur reference was just plain childish.. like all libs you have to turn to name calling and childish remarks…
You and BO could be birds of a feather….

]]> By: bigpapa http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/#comment-100104 bigpapa Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:43:05 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5965#comment-100104 Mata, It never ceases to amaze me how many libs are in lock step with the commies... Nobama is open about it in his history and these idiots just lap it up... Blows my mind... And I agree.. a large part of the problem is public education.. I see it everyday at work,, I teach vocational education and I'm treated like the proverbial red headed step child by the rest of the "enlightened ones"... And I deal with the "gimme gimme" idiots all the time.. there are more everyday.. I think part of the problem is that many of my students ( not the gimme ones) end up making more money than teachers.. I'm sure my Nobama bumper sticker will be a hit at work this year.. Mata,
It never ceases to amaze me how many libs are in lock step with the commies…
Nobama is open about it in his history and these idiots just lap it up…
Blows my mind…

And I agree.. a large part of the problem is public education..
I see it everyday at work,, I teach vocational education and I’m treated like the proverbial red headed step child by the rest of the “enlightened ones”…
And I deal with the “gimme gimme” idiots all the time.. there are more everyday..

I think part of the problem is that many of my students ( not the gimme ones) end up making more money than teachers..

I’m sure my Nobama bumper sticker will be a hit at work this year..

]]> By: DW 5000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/#comment-100097 DW 5000 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:33:21 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5965#comment-100097 <blockquote> it insinuates that the step of socialism/Marxism step, enroute to Communism, is very well accepted and received in American today. </blockquote> ...OR it could mean that the Soviet Union (the flag of which Mike H.'s America used in his post up above) doesn't even exist any more, and that Communism--at least in its guise as a superpower force for us to fear--moves closer and closer each year to biting the proverbial dust. Speaking of simple, it seems <I>you</I> are still afraid of the Soviet Union, bigpapa. Are you afraid of dinosaurs, too? Don't be; like the USSR, they are extinct. They can't get you. Also: NEWS FLASH! Germany is all one big chunk now, and we don't have to worry about the West German judges dumping on our Olympic athletes. USA! USA! USA!

it insinuates that the step of socialism/Marxism step, enroute to Communism, is very well accepted and received in American today.

…OR it could mean that the Soviet Union (the flag of which Mike H.’s America used in his post up above) doesn’t even exist any more, and that Communism–at least in its guise as a superpower force for us to fear–moves closer and closer each year to biting the proverbial dust.

Speaking of simple, it seems you are still afraid of the Soviet Union, bigpapa. Are you afraid of dinosaurs, too? Don’t be; like the USSR, they are extinct. They can’t get you.

Also: NEWS FLASH! Germany is all one big chunk now, and we don’t have to worry about the West German judges dumping on our Olympic athletes.

USA! USA! USA!

]]> By: MataHarley http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/#comment-100089 MataHarley Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:06:56 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5965#comment-100089 You know, bigpapa... This isn't the first time I've seen that <i>"25 years ago this kind of thing might have stung"</i> statement before, along with the rest of the schpiel. It stuck in my mind then because it insinuates that the step of socialism/Marxism step, enroute to Communism, is very well accepted and received in American today. And as I look around at the growing vocal electorate, I'm not so sure I can deny that as untrue. The dumbing down of America, and the narcissistic "gimme gimme" attitude is prevalent after decades of morphed public school curriculum. And some here demonstrate the effects of that quite well... You know, bigpapa… This isn’t the first time I’ve seen that “25 years ago this kind of thing might have stung” statement before, along with the rest of the schpiel. It stuck in my mind then because it insinuates that the step of socialism/Marxism step, enroute to Communism, is very well accepted and received in American today.

And as I look around at the growing vocal electorate, I’m not so sure I can deny that as untrue.

The dumbing down of America, and the narcissistic “gimme gimme” attitude is prevalent after decades of morphed public school curriculum. And some here demonstrate the effects of that quite well…

]]> By: bigpapa http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/#comment-100088 bigpapa Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:59:40 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5965#comment-100088 "Twenty-five years ago, this kind of thing might have stung, but now it’s just funny. You’re trapped in the past, comrade! Join the rest of us in the twenty-first century. Or are you busy sharpening your quill to pen a sharply-worded note to the Times about the latest actions of the Austro-Hungarian Empire?" why do you think Russia supports and sells/give arms to Iran, Syria and any other country opposed to the United States of Americas war on terrorists ????? you really are simple aren't you??? come on admit it... it's ok,,, confronting the problem is part of the healing process.... “Twenty-five years ago, this kind of thing might have stung, but now it’s just funny. You’re trapped in the past, comrade! Join the rest of us in the twenty-first century. Or are you busy sharpening your quill to pen a sharply-worded note to the Times about the latest actions of the Austro-Hungarian Empire?”

why do you think Russia supports and sells/give arms to Iran, Syria and any other country opposed to the United States of Americas war on terrorists ?????

you really are simple aren’t you??? come on admit it… it’s ok,,, confronting the problem is part of the healing process….

]]> By: DW 5000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/#comment-99978 DW 5000 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:10:24 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5965#comment-99978 <blockquote> Dim Wit: Mother Russia is alive and well and so is the dream of world socialism. But of course you knew that didn’t you? Now go back and practice singing “The Internationale.” I’m sure that if Obama is elected you and your comrades will be signing it at the Inaugural. </blockquote> Twenty-five years ago, this kind of thing might have stung, but now it's just funny. You're trapped in the past, comrade! Join the rest of us in the twenty-first century. Or are you busy sharpening your quill to pen a sharply-worded note to the <I>Times</I> about the latest actions of the Austro-Hungarian Empire?

Dim Wit: Mother Russia is alive and well and so is the dream of world socialism.

But of course you knew that didn’t you?

Now go back and practice singing “The Internationale.” I’m sure that if Obama is elected you and your comrades will be signing it at the Inaugural.

Twenty-five years ago, this kind of thing might have stung, but now it’s just funny. You’re trapped in the past, comrade! Join the rest of us in the twenty-first century. Or are you busy sharpening your quill to pen a sharply-worded note to the Times about the latest actions of the Austro-Hungarian Empire?

]]> By: Mike's America http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/#comment-99966 Mike's America Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:12:26 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5965#comment-99966 Dim Wit: Mother Russia is alive and well and so is the dream of world socialism. But of course you knew that didn't you? Now go back and practice singing "The Internationale." I'm sure that if Obama is elected you and your comrades will be signing it at the Inaugural. Dim Wit: Mother Russia is alive and well and so is the dream of world socialism.

But of course you knew that didn’t you?

Now go back and practice singing “The Internationale.” I’m sure that if Obama is elected you and your comrades will be signing it at the Inaugural.

]]> By: bigpapa http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/#comment-99960 bigpapa Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:04:22 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5965#comment-99960 Well DW what have you ever done for your country, I was in the Air Force stationed state side at the time volunteered to switch jobs and our commander wouldn't let any of us go. I supported our fighting men and women then as I do now. Today I do as much as I can to make sure idiot socialists like Nobama aren't allowed to ruin this great country. You called the war in Iraq BS and it isn't and never has been. The "Soviet Union" ceased to exist but the communism never died and is still growning stronger today.. You freaking socialist/commie wannabes just don't understand that socialism has never worked and never will.. Well DW what have you ever done for your country,

I was in the Air Force stationed state side at the time volunteered to switch jobs and our commander wouldn’t let any of us go.
I supported our fighting men and women then as I do now.
Today I do as much as I can to make sure idiot socialists like Nobama aren’t allowed to ruin this great country.

You called the war in Iraq BS and it isn’t and never has been.

The “Soviet Union” ceased to exist but the communism never died and is still growning stronger today..

You freaking socialist/commie wannabes just don’t understand that socialism has never worked and never will..

]]> By: No Runny Eggs &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; The Morning Scramble - 7/22/2008 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/#comment-99946 No Runny Eggs &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; The Morning Scramble - 7/22/2008 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:15:22 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5965#comment-99946 [...] MataHarley notes one country left off the Obamination Retreat and Defeat World Tour; Pakistan. [...] [...] MataHarley notes one country left off the Obamination Retreat and Defeat World Tour; Pakistan. [...]

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